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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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kiidcarter8

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #48915 on: August 31, 2020, 11:47:57 AM »

"Does anyone believe there will be less violence in America if Donald Trump is reelected?"



https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-election-2020-race-violence/index.html


In other words - elect Joe Biden or my guys will continue to burn down your cities
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #48916 on: August 31, 2020, 12:03:32 PM »

"Does anyone believe there will be less violence in America if Donald Trump is reelected?"



https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-election-2020-race-violence/index.html


In other words - elect Joe Biden or my guys will continue to burn down your cities

And kill you with the virus, by continuing to undermine mask-wearing.

Sounds about right.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #48918 on: August 31, 2020, 12:12:55 PM »

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Which is why the local gov't changed their position and withdrew the bill.
It didnt withdraw the bill
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And the mayor admitted that he got bad advice form the borough legal counsel.
The Mayor said no such thing 

They withdrew it.

The Mayor admitted he got bad advice.

Will you admit it? Seems unlikely, but here's your chance, Ward! Admit you made a mistake! You can do it!

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“The bill was mistakenly issued based on advice I received from our borough administrator who I understand consulted the borough attorney,” Kranjac told NJ Advance Media. “I was told that all private events requiring police overtime should be paid for by the organizers. That advice was incorrect.”

Kranjac said he further researched the issue with his own attorney and said it was “clear that the exercise of Constitutional Rights are treated differently when it comes to borough administration and billing.”

https://www.nj.com/bergen/2020/08/mayor-rescinds-2500-bill-sent-to-nj-teen-who-held-black-lives-matter-protest.html
And?

Too funny.  You lost this one Red and got caught Red-handed!  People using their constitutional right to assemble cannot be charged for doing so. It is unconstitutional because then you are discriminating against the people who don't have enough money to exercise their constitutional rights. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #48919 on: August 31, 2020, 12:17:05 PM »

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/images-hundreds-protest-massachusetts-flu-vaccine-mandate/2186742/

The pictures of the anti-mandatory flu shots are shockingly overwhelmingly maskless. Something like 90% of them, if I'm reading the pictures right.

To me, it undermines their credibility. And "where there's a risk, there must be a choice" and "my child, my choice" are both pretty debatable. (Of course, a good chunk of those folks would make the reverse argument wrt abortion rights, but the same can be said for the pro-mask, pro-vaccine, pro-choice crowd.)
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #48920 on: August 31, 2020, 12:21:10 PM »


A scary thought is that this August peak that the US is going through could actually be a warm weather lull in the strength of the virus -- with apparently a smaller % dying and symptoms not as serious in general -- and the Virus could ramp up when the weather turns colder.  That is, the half measures in most of the US might have  led to a much worse outbreak except that Summer slowed down the Virus, and Winter could be devastating.   Sure hope not.

It's realistic to think that increasing indoor contact will increase spread among the young and often asymptomatic.  Places in the northern temperate zone will see a decline in people eating/drinking outdoors as it gets chilly.  Also, as streets get icy and winds cold, some of the people who are now bicycling places will go back to public transit, another move towards close contact in contained spaces and higher airborne concentrations.  Also, theater chains like AMC have opened up across the country, on 8/28.  And finally, there is some pretty serious "mask fatigue" and more general "caution fatigue" taking over in many places.  So it's likely we'll see a spike here.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #48921 on: August 31, 2020, 12:27:53 PM »

The major difference between freedom to have an abortion and freedom to risk covid, is that getting an abortion doesn't cause other women you meet to spontaneously abort. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #48922 on: August 31, 2020, 12:28:14 PM »

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/democrats-have-voter-registration-advantage-four-states-n1238805

The more interesting data is the percentage of each state's new voter registrants who've chosen unaffiliated and who are under 40.

And the question, still, is will the under 30s turn out as strongly relative to 2016 as they did in 2018 relative to 2014. A strong turnout would seem to benefit the challenger more than the incumbent in this election.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #48923 on: August 31, 2020, 12:32:10 PM »

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Which is why the local gov't changed their position and withdrew the bill.
It didnt withdraw the bill
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And the mayor admitted that he got bad advice form the borough legal counsel.
The Mayor said no such thing 

They withdrew it.

The Mayor admitted he got bad advice.

Will you admit it? Seems unlikely, but here's your chance, Ward! Admit you made a mistake! You can do it!

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“The bill was mistakenly issued based on advice I received from our borough administrator who I understand consulted the borough attorney,” Kranjac told NJ Advance Media. “I was told that all private events requiring police overtime should be paid for by the organizers. That advice was incorrect.”

Kranjac said he further researched the issue with his own attorney and said it was “clear that the exercise of Constitutional Rights are treated differently when it comes to borough administration and billing.”

https://www.nj.com/bergen/2020/08/mayor-rescinds-2500-bill-sent-to-nj-teen-who-held-black-lives-matter-protest.html
And?

Too funny.  You lost this one Red and got caught Red-handed!  People using their constitutional right to assemble cannot be charged for doing so. It is unconstitutional because then you are discriminating against the people who don't have enough money to exercise their constitutional rights.

Can government impose a financial charge on exercising free speech rights?

Some local governments have required a fee as a condition of exercising free speech rights, such as application fees, security deposits for clean-up, or charges to cover overtime police costs. Charges that cover actual administrative costs have been permitted by some courts. However, if the costs are greater because an event is controversial (or a hostile crowd is expected)—such as requiring a large insurance policy—then the courts will not permit it. Also, regulations with financial requirements should include a waiver for groups that cannot afford the charge, so that even grassroots organizations can exercise their free speech rights. Therefore, a group without significant financial resources should not be prevented from engaging in a march simply because it cannot afford the charges the City would like to impose.

ACLU.org
I hope this helps.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #48925 on: August 31, 2020, 12:45:46 PM »


Red back-tracks by quoting the ACLU.

Who said there is no justice, or irony, in this world?

heh
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Masks in 'merica
« Reply #48926 on: August 31, 2020, 12:46:20 PM »

Hey Bo

New Yorkers by and large wear masks.  At first you would see joggers not masking up but i'm even seeing an increase in masked joggers.  Gyms are closed so many people work out in parks or on the sidewalk outside of the gym.  Outdoor basketball was forbidden up til about a month or so ago (playgrounds were locked up and rims taken down) but have opened up but i see some participants playing basketball with masks on).  I live in Brooklyn, i've taken the subway a handful of times in the last few months and it is mandatory to wear a mask on the subway and there's a high 90s% compliance rate from what I've observed.  Of that group not all wear their masks correctly -- I would say about 20% wear the mask under their nose.

A few weekends ago I traveled to Lancaster PA (often called Amish Country though we stayed at the Marriott in the center of their downtown).  We had taken mass transit there (subway to Penn station and then Amtrak to Lancaster with a short stop in Philadelphia).  We wore masks the entire time and the hotel had a mandatory mask rule and only let two folks use an elevator at a time.

As soon as we stepped out of the hotel though the contrast was stark.  People weren't wearing masks.  We started walking on the sidewalk not even two blocks from the hotel when a woman walked by our group and said out loud "it's too fucking hot to wear a mask". We felt a strange form of social pressure there to unmask.  We kept our masks on a bit further and when we got to a less populated area we removed our masks.  It felt good not to have to wear a mask outdoors but it also felt strange and we would mask up whenever someone else (usually maskless) was walking past us.

Restaurants were at 1/3 capacity and you couldn't get in most places unless you had made a reservation.  Many restaurants allowed indoor seating but we felt strange sitting indoors and asked to be seated outside.  Most restaurants had a 90 minute time limit and all of them required we order a meal and not just order drinks.  We went to a brewery and they made sure we ordered food there and not just a side salad or order of french fries.  Apparently a PA law requiring a food item be on every drink receipt.

It was nice to get away from the city and experience the social mores of small town america for a weekend.  But it was a strange kind of social pressure to be maskless in public and get funny looks from the locals when we were walking around with masks on.  In fact, while we were waiting for a table at a coffee place two women got up from their table to leave, one of them had left her keys on her chair.  My friend ran halfway down the block to give her back her keys and she turned around and told him "Thanks for bringing me my keys and thanks for NOT wearing a mask".  Such an odd comment to add.  Would she have been upset to have her keys returned to her by a masked person?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #48927 on: August 31, 2020, 12:47:49 PM »

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Which is why the local gov't changed their position and withdrew the bill.
It didnt withdraw the bill
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And the mayor admitted that he got bad advice form the borough legal counsel.
The Mayor said no such thing 

They withdrew it.

The Mayor admitted he got bad advice.

Will you admit it? Seems unlikely, but here's your chance, Ward! Admit you made a mistake! You can do it!

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“The bill was mistakenly issued based on advice I received from our borough administrator who I understand consulted the borough attorney,” Kranjac told NJ Advance Media. “I was told that all private events requiring police overtime should be paid for by the organizers. That advice was incorrect.”

Kranjac said he further researched the issue with his own attorney and said it was “clear that the exercise of Constitutional Rights are treated differently when it comes to borough administration and billing.”

https://www.nj.com/bergen/2020/08/mayor-rescinds-2500-bill-sent-to-nj-teen-who-held-black-lives-matter-protest.html
And?

Too funny.  You lost this one Red and got caught Red-handed!  People using their constitutional right to assemble cannot be charged for doing so. It is unconstitutional because then you are discriminating against the people who don't have enough money to exercise their constitutional rights.

Can government impose a financial charge on exercising free speech rights?

Some local governments have required a fee as a condition of exercising free speech rights, such as application fees, security deposits for clean-up, or charges to cover overtime police costs. Charges that cover actual administrative costs have been permitted by some courts. However, if the costs are greater because an event is controversial (or a hostile crowd is expected)—such as requiring a large insurance policy—then the courts will not permit it. Also, regulations with financial requirements should include a waiver for groups that cannot afford the charge, so that even grassroots organizations can exercise their free speech rights. Therefore, a group without significant financial resources should not be prevented from engaging in a march simply because it cannot afford the charges the City would like to impose.

ACLU.org
I hope this helps.

Yeah it proves my point perfectly. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #48928 on: August 31, 2020, 01:12:29 PM »

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Which is why the local gov't changed their position and withdrew the bill.
It didnt withdraw the bill
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And the mayor admitted that he got bad advice form the borough legal counsel.
The Mayor said no such thing 

They withdrew it.

The Mayor admitted he got bad advice.

Will you admit it? Seems unlikely, but here's your chance, Ward! Admit you made a mistake! You can do it!

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“The bill was mistakenly issued based on advice I received from our borough administrator who I understand consulted the borough attorney,” Kranjac told NJ Advance Media. “I was told that all private events requiring police overtime should be paid for by the organizers. That advice was incorrect.”

Kranjac said he further researched the issue with his own attorney and said it was “clear that the exercise of Constitutional Rights are treated differently when it comes to borough administration and billing.”

https://www.nj.com/bergen/2020/08/mayor-rescinds-2500-bill-sent-to-nj-teen-who-held-black-lives-matter-protest.html
And?

Too funny.  You lost this one Red and got caught Red-handed!  People using their constitutional right to assemble cannot be charged for doing so. It is unconstitutional because then you are discriminating against the people who don't have enough money to exercise their constitutional rights.

Can government impose a financial charge on exercising free speech rights?

Some local governments have required a fee as a condition of exercising free speech rights, such as application fees, security deposits for clean-up, or charges to cover overtime police costs. Charges that cover actual administrative costs have been permitted by some courts. However, if the costs are greater because an event is controversial (or a hostile crowd is expected)—such as requiring a large insurance policy—then the courts will not permit it. Also, regulations with financial requirements should include a waiver for groups that cannot afford the charge, so that even grassroots organizations can exercise their free speech rights. Therefore, a group without significant financial resources should not be prevented from engaging in a march simply because it cannot afford the charges the City would like to impose.

ACLU.org
I hope this helps.

Yeah it proves my point perfectly.
LOL!
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