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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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kiidcarter8

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #49095 on: September 01, 2020, 01:26:20 PM »

WSJ  Part 4



Then a 61-year-old woman was hospitalized in Thailand on Jan. 13. She had been in Wuhan, but not at the seafood market. That was strong evidence that the virus was spreading from human to human.

The next day, Dr. van Kerkhove told reporters: “It’s certainly possible that there is limited human-to-human transmission.” MERS and SARS, both coronaviruses, were transmissible among people in close quarters. Epidemiological investigations were under way, she said

Emergency declaration

Six days later, China acknowledged that there was human-to-human transmission. Dr. Tedros convened an emergency committee to determine whether to declare a global public-health emergency.

On Jan. 22, a committee of 15 scientists haggled for hours over Chinese data and a handful of cases in other countries. Clearly, the virus was spreading between people in China, though there was no evidence of that in other countries. The question now: Was it mainly spreading from very sick people in hospitals and homes—or more widely?

The committee met over two days, but was split. They mostly agreed on one point: The information from China “was a little too imprecise to very clearly state that it was time” to recommend an emergency declaration, the committee chair, Didier Houssin, said in a news briefing after the meeting ended.

Meanwhile, a team of five WHO staff had just toured Wuhan. Case counts would likely increase, potentially into thousands, reported the team, which had begun to understand a crucial phenomenon: Many cases were mild. They asked if China needed the WHO’s help. Then one member developed a cough, and the team was quarantined

With so many unanswered questions, Dr. Tedros decided to go to China with a small entourage. They rushed on a weekend to get visas and catch a flight to Beijing.

On Jan. 28, Dr. Tedros and the WHO team arrived for their meeting with Mr. Xi. Dr. Briand was overtaken by the enormous room and the formality and protocol.

Leaning across three wooden coffee tables, Dr. Tedros pressed for cooperation. In the absence of information, countries might react out of fear and restrict travel to China, he repeated several times throughout the trip.

Mr. Xi agreed to allow a WHO-led international team of experts to visit. It took until mid-February to make arrangements and get the team there.

China also agreed to provide more data, and Dr. Tedros departed, leaving Dr. Briand behind with a list of mysteries to solve. How contagious was the virus? How much were children or pregnant women at risk? How were cases linked? This was vital information needed to assess the global risk, Dr. Briand said.

Back in Geneva, Dr. Tedros reconvened the emergency committee. By now it was clear there was human-to-human transmission in other countries. When it met on Jan. 30, the committee got the information the WHO had been seeking. This time the committee recommended and Dr. Tedros declared a global public-health emergency.

The emergency was the sixth the WHO had ever declared. The announcement was the biggest cannon in its arsenal.

In the weeks to come, Germany’s Angela Merkel remained focused on repairing a faltering border-control agreement with Turkey.

President Trump and New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo both assured constituents their health systems would perform well.

The U.K.’s chief medical officer described the WHO’s advice as largely directed at poor and middle-income countries.

As for keeping borders open, by then many governments had already closed them to visitors from China.

The WHO shifted focus to the developing world, where it believed Covid-19 would exact the heaviest toll. To its surprise, cases shot up just across the border, in northern Italy.

Hospitals there overflowed with desperately ill patients. Soon, the virus tore through a nursing home in Kirkland, Wash., and ravaged New York City.

To date there have been 24 million cases world-wide, nearly a quarter of those in the U.S. More than 822,000 people have died.

Lessons learned

If there were one thing the WHO might have done differently, it would be to offer wealthier countries the type of assistance with public-health interventions that the WHO provides the developing world, Michael Ryan, head of the WHO’s health emergencies program, said in a media briefing last month.

Going forward, an independent committee will review parts of the International Health Regulations, Dr. Tedros said Thursday. The committee will advise him on whether changes “may be necessary to ensure this powerful tool of international law is as effective as possible,” he said.

“The pandemic has been an acid test for many countries and organizations as well as for the International Health Regulations,” he said.

Many global-health experts, including Dr. Tedros, say the WHO’s warning system of declaring a global public-health emergency needs to change. Some want to see a warning system more like a traffic light—with color-coded alarms for outbreaks, based on how worried the public should be. A flare-up of polio or Ebola isn’t the same as a rapidly spreading new respiratory virus. One afflicts a region; Covid-19 swept the world.

Emergency committees need clearer criteria for declaring a global public-health emergency and should publicly explain their thinking, according to a recent study in the BMJ Global Health, which found past decisions inconsistent.

The WHO should have more powers to intervene in countries to head off a health crisis, said Jimmy Kolker, a former U.S. ambassador and former assistant secretary for global affairs at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. He also said that the WHO’s health emergencies unit should report to the director-general and not member states, and its budget should be protected so it doesn’t have to compete with other programs for money.

Implementing many of those ideas would require herding diplomats back for another monthslong slog of treaty revisions. If and when such talks begin, new governments will likely be in place, and political priorities will float elsewhere, said Adam Kamradt-Scott, a global health security scholar at the University of Sydney who sat through the last round.

“Unfortunately, I’m very cynical about this,” he said. “We are living through cycles of panic and neglect. We’ve been through all of this before.”


-  BETSY MCKAY
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #49096 on: September 01, 2020, 01:28:46 PM »

Follow-up to the story about the NH GOP and illegal absentee ballots they sent out:

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GOP sent out 200,000 of those illegal absentee ballots. 2900 or so have been returned. (Maybe postage barcoded). They plan to reach out by newspaper ad and telephone to those voters


need a link

I didn't have one, when I posted that. It came straight from one of the legal team in NH that works elections. But I have one now:

http://indepthnh.org/2020/08/31/nh-gop-submits-plan-to-correct-unlawful-absentee-ballot-form-mailer/

thanks
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #49097 on: September 01, 2020, 01:30:42 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/01/politics/laura-ingraham-donald-trump-fox-news/index.html

Some of the lies Trump tells are awful, but "Dr. Laura" is never going to call him out for those, let alone his fear-mongering.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #49098 on: September 01, 2020, 01:39:50 PM »

All along I've said that:

1) it's not that hard to limit/stop CV transmission
2) face masks are highly beneficial 
3) since there are/were many unknown variables -- asymptomatic transmission, aerosol transmission, infectious period, seasonality, how CV immunity works, etc -- it's always best to err on the side of caution

All of those are true imo.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #49099 on: September 01, 2020, 01:42:14 PM »

1) it's not that hard to limit/stop CV transmission



'it's not that tough to learn first base.  Tell'm, Wash."
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #49100 on: September 01, 2020, 02:10:36 PM »

1) it's not that hard to limit/stop CV transmission



'it's not that tough to learn first base.  Tell'm, Wash."

Kid, all it takes is intention coupled with leadership.

Trump had neither.

Had Trump pushed masks even as "early" as a month after Fauci and the CDC admitted it, 10s of thousands of lives would have been spared.

But you can't admit it.
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« Reply #49101 on: September 01, 2020, 02:32:41 PM »

  When deputies tried to stop the man, he dropped his bike and ran, with deputies in pursuit, Dean said. Deputies again tried to make contact with the man, and Dean said he punched a deputy in the face. The man then dropped a bundle of clothes he’d been carrying and they spotted a black handgun in the bundle, at which point both deputies opened fire, Dean said.

The man was pronounced dead at the scene. Police say the handgun was recovered and no deputies were injured.

Family members at the scene identified the dead man as Dijon Kizzee, 29, CBS-Los Angeles reported.

Protesters gathered demanding answers, and more than 100 people marched to a sheriff’s station on Imperial Highway. Some said they didn’t think the shooting was justified while others chanted, “Say his name” and “No justice, no peace” the Times reported.

Arlander Givens, 68, lives in the neighborhood. He questioned why deputies fired at a man who, according to the sheriff’s official, wasn’t holding a weapon.

“If he reached down to grab it, that’s different,” Givens told the Times. “But if it’s on the ground, why shoot? That means he was unarmed.”   


https://apnews.com/861957b3727a6bd444627454981332ca



“If he reached down to grab it, that’s different,” Givens told the Times. “But if it’s on the ground, why shoot? That means he was unarmed.”



Supposition.


Nope,  that's what the sheriff's department reported:  the man was unarmed when he was gunned down.   And had dropped the bundle that contained a weapon.   Dropping a weapon is the essence of compliance.   

Sorry,  you can't really put lipstick on that warthog.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #49102 on: September 01, 2020, 03:21:46 PM »

When Trump talked about Dark Shadows, it made me think of his fellow bloodsucker Barnabas Collins.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #49103 on: September 01, 2020, 03:22:15 PM »

I saw on the news that France had a good year and produced a lot of champagne, so they are going to limit sales to keep the prices high on champagne. I think instead they should send some cheap champagne to the Chinese workers, and they can make mimosas, and they can also get some Sunkist orange juice for their mimosas. It is hard enough that they work like slaves, let them at least make some mimosas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimosa_(cocktail)

That is how you help with foreign relations.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #49104 on: September 01, 2020, 03:54:19 PM »

King Philip loved the people of the Philippines, and he wanted them to eat good, so he sent many ships full of pigs to the Philippines so that the Filipinos would have lots of pork to eat, and to this very day the people of the Philippines still love pork, and roasted pigs are served at Filipino parties.

That is how you do foreign relations. You make friends, instead of everyone just pointing nuclear weapons at each other.

Salute,

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #49105 on: September 01, 2020, 04:27:58 PM »

King Philip loved the people of the Philippines, and he wanted them to eat good, so he sent many ships full of pigs to the Philippines so that the Filipinos would have lots of pork to eat, and to this very day the people of the Philippines still love pork, and roasted pigs are served at Filipino parties.

That is how you do foreign relations. You make friends, instead of everyone just pointing nuclear weapons at each other.

Salute,

Tony V.


Australia tried that friends policy with China...didn't work out well.  China has turned nasty,  and foolish Australia,  who went around signing nuclear non-proliferation treaties and trying to be friends with everyone,  has no nuclear weapons of its own, not one, not even one...and its friends are fast disappearing. China, Turkey, Iran,  Russia didn't come to the Navy party.

"Conned" is a word that could be used.
Oh well...hope the parliament passes the 'uranium' Bill soon, so Aussie can start mining more uranium and make some nuke-armed subs.
We build subs, shouldn't be too difficult to modify them to fire nukes.
Gotta replace with something our export income China has taken away...might as well be with uranium.


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« Reply #49106 on: September 01, 2020, 04:33:57 PM »

China fired carrier destroying ballistic missiles in the South China Sea the other day.
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« Reply #49107 on: September 01, 2020, 04:40:27 PM »

Everything is going to be okay Bambu, and I pray that we never use nukes again. 

When I worked at China Lake we were working on missile defense, to make nuclear missiles useless. I cannot tell you anything that is not public, but we have made progress on missile defense, and on our ability to "see" nuclear weapons, we can spot nuclear weapons better now. 

I do not want to have a war with China, I want to make friends with them. I want to look for things which we agree on and I want us to have a better relationship with China.

And yes China needs to respect us on trade, and they need to buy our stuff. Their workers need to be paid better so that they can afford to buy our stuff. 

Also of note, we have a CIA, and hopefully we can deal with problems when they are small, so that we do not have the big problems. 

I pray that we never use nuclear weapons again, and work is being done in order to prevent nuclear weapons from being used.

We need to learn to get along with each other without killing each other.

Salute,

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #49108 on: September 01, 2020, 05:28:27 PM »

When Trump talked about Dark Shadows, it made me think of his fellow bloodsucker Barnabas Collins.

With Jerry Falwell, Jr as Reverend Trask.
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« Reply #49109 on: September 01, 2020, 05:37:20 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/01/politics/trump-vance-oral-arguments/index.html

With all deliberate speed.

The question remains one of "when?" and not of "If?"
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