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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[REDSTATEWARD]

WTF do I waste my time with you? You cannot admit an error and you don't accept evidence.

If the forum had a way to downvote comments (like reddit) and after so many downvotes the post got removed this would be a better place.  Opinions need to have consequences or else there is no social pressure to conform to the mores of the culture.   This "say anything without consequences" attitude leads to more and more extreme and vile opinions. Kid and others feel emboldened to express more vile opinions from behind the safety of their keyboard without censure in a way they would never say in a public setting.

So, you're not a free speech supporter?

The way to defeat speech that is false, divisive, inflammatory, etc...is with more speech!

Downvotes are speech.  They're a way of expressing that the post is merit-less.  Check out reddit.

Better known as the Heckler’s veto, or censorship, or stupid 

[Hamilton Samuels]

This isn't a firsmet amendment laboratory. It's a small message board. I've got no issues with deleting posts and banning posters when it's clear the post or poster is a mere troll.

I get the concept of people deciding that one is a troll, too, merely because they are not among the majority.

That's a concept, but has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

When a poster has declared that they post inflammatory things for the primary purpose of getting a rise out of other posters, that is trolling. We have had two people make that overt declaration in my time paying attention here. I believe both of them and they have demonstrated it repeatedly.

When a poster seldom, if ever, answers questions, while continually asking them and then offering "judgments" on others who do not answer their questions, that, too, is trolling.

There are other forms, as well.

Personal attacks or threats are not in my list for trolling. They have their own category.

And comments that suggest that others are due fewer rights than they themselves enjoy in the world are threats.

"Difference of opinion" is about whether Tampa Bay will win the Super Bowl this year or whether Joe Montana is the greatest quarterback.

"Poor people deserve what they get" is not a matter of opinion. "Jews are trying to take over the world" is not a matter of opinion. Etc.

These are matters of life and death.

And one can tell me that "that's your opinion, Josh," and I will tell you that I don't give a fuck whether you think that or not, in terms of how I manage this message board, to the very limited extent that I manage it.

My point is only that the t-word is too readily misused, and primarily to dismiss an opinion that the labeler cannot or will not refute.

That HAS happened.

[bambu.]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/12/us/freedom-black-cooperative-toomsboro/index.html


"It's impossible to have anything exclusively Black because our families are integrated," says Scott. "We are an integrated, tolerant and diverse community even as Black people, so we don't intend for it to be exclusively Black, but we do intend for it to be pro Black in every way."



What could possibly go wrong?

[Hamilton Samuels]

http://www.theweek.com/speedreads/937105/former-federal-prosecutor-trump-admitted-2nd-degree-murder-woodward-interview

We need Jack McCoy!!!

[Hamilton Samuels]

WTF do I waste my time with you? You cannot admit an error and you don't accept evidence.

If the forum had a way to downvote comments (like reddit) and after so many downvotes the post got removed this would be a better place.  Opinions need to have consequences or else there is no social pressure to conform to the mores of the culture.   This "say anything without consequences" attitude leads to more and more extreme and vile opinions. Kid and others feel emboldened to express more vile opinions from behind the safety of their keyboard without censure in a way they would never say in a public setting.

So, you're not a free speech supporter?

The way to defeat speech that is false, divisive, inflammatory, etc...is with more speech!

Downvotes are speech.  They're a way of expressing that the post is merit-less.  Check out reddit.

Good point.

[Hamilton Samuels]

The way it works is they don't delete the post that has negative votes. They simply make you have to click the post to expand it.  Similar to how the ignore feature here works. So nothing is removed (unless a moderator deems it so). 
 
Most of the posts that get downvoted aren't even opinion-based.  They are the LOL and the HEH variety.  The posts that don't add anything to the conversation.

I can see potential problems when posts are affected by "likes" or up/down votes,  especially where you might have a poster who is well-informed and literate,  but holds an opinion that's unpopular in that room.   To me,  if a post stands, then it stands on its own merits,  without bearing the medals (or scars)  of a popularity rating.   LoL and Heh are ignorable,  and don't really impede anyone's scrolling.   There's a hazard that rating systems turn some people into approval junkies,  and they become as a result less willing to speak plainly or call others on flawed logic or depart from an orthodoxy.

From my experience, straightforward rules work better - no ad homs, no bomb recipes,  no porn imagery or sexist memes,  that kind of thing.   Different places give different latitude.

Excellent point!

[LarryBnDC]

"It's impossible to have anything exclusively Black WHITE because our families are integrated," says Scott. "We are an integrated, tolerant and diverse community even as Black WHITE people, so we don't intend for it to be exclusively Black WHITE, but we do intend for it to be pro Black WHITE in every way."




Imagine the uproar.

What is your problem? You just described the majority of America.

[josh]

Someone asked me if I had plans for the fall, it took me a moment to realize they meant "autumn", not the collapse of civilization.

[facilitatorn]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/9/12/1975935/-Nazis-love-Trump

[Hamilton Samuels]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/12/us/freedom-black-cooperative-toomsboro/index.html


"It's impossible to have anything exclusively Black because our families are integrated," says Scott. "We are an integrated, tolerant and diverse community even as Black people, so we don't intend for it to be exclusively Black, but we do intend for it to be pro Black in every way."



What could possibly go wrong?

I would feel comfortable living there,  more so in some ways than where I live now.   There are communities like that,  that are pro various ethnicities, all over America,  and many attract positive energy.   I've gone down to Lindsborg,  Kansas a few times,  and enjoyed soaking up the Scandian heritage stuff.   And, unlike many white enclaves,these towns don't exclude others.  So it's a false equivalence to compare this new town to a place that's "pro white. "

Name these "enclaves" that are intentionally excluding black folks, present day.

Harding, NJ.

[josh]

https://twitter.com/philklotzbach/status/1304842929148579840

#Sally has formed in the southeastern Gulf of Mexico - the 18th named storm of the 2020 Atlantic #hurricane season to date.   Sally is earliest 18th Atlantic named storm on record, breaking old record set by Stan on October 2, 2005.

The link has a radar map in motion.

[josh]

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/franklin-town-clerk-resigns-after-thousands-of-ballots-found-uncounted/2193454/

Oops.

[Hamilton Samuels]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/really-thinks-trump-mocks-christians-100354053.html

Bad news for Bambu!!!

[Driver125]

"Trump makes wild claims about revitalizing auto industry at Michigan rally."

Well....why not? If nobody is going to take you to task after these sort of statements why not just stand up there and say anything you like."I presided over the greatest economy in the history of the United States" What did I do? Well, nothing really. Just believe me. It was the greatest in the history of the United States".

[bambu.]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/really-thinks-trump-mocks-christians-100354053.html

Bad news for Bambu!!!

If true, he's not a very good conman.
He'll lose the "evangelical vote" if they believe he's been conning them.