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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57180 on: November 16, 2020, 02:01:43 AM »

The Dems should run a Fight Against Ignorance campaign.
Vow to get the US college gradation rate to 40% (from it's current 33.4%).
Aim towards 50%.
Future jobs require educated workers.  Educated workers are more productive and earn more.  And informed citizenry with critical thinking skills makes for a better country and supports progressive policies, believes in Science, etc.
Also, as Trump said, "I love the poorly educated."

Who is against having a better educated populace?
Biden's free public university plan is a start.

The GOP attacks the Dem base -- dismantling unions and such.
The Dems should go after the GOP base of non-college educated White Males.
A major difference is that the GOP targeting hurts the country, while the Dems attack on the Right base helps the country.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57181 on: November 16, 2020, 03:31:09 AM »

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Before the election, White House chief of staff Mark Meadows had signaled the way ahead by claiming that the pandemic could not be controlled.
Now that the election is done, the Trump White House seems to care even less than it did before.

A disease that has killed more than 240,000 Americans cares little for the President's bruised feelings after a defeat he has yet to recognize. Even since the election, it has exploded. On Wednesday, the US recorded more than 140,500 new infections and lost more than 1,100 more lives. More patients than ever before -- nearly 65,000 -- are in hospitals with the disease and the rate of increase is alarming doctors, who fear health services will be swamped within weeks.

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The situation is more serious than it was in the initial spikes of Covid-19 in the spring in the Northeast and the Sun Belt in the summer. The curve of infections is rising almost vertically and the virus is raging nationwide.

These alarming case numbers and the reality of epidemiology and exponential spread mean Trump will leave the nation in a morass of sickness and death when his term ends in January. And every day the disaster that Biden will inherit gets much worse

From CNN
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« Reply #57182 on: November 16, 2020, 04:03:01 AM »

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-pennsylvania-lawsuits-fe4754fa7cd077d66854c724e1df91e7

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President Donald Trump’s campaign is withdrawing a central part of its lawsuit seeking to stop the certification of the election results in Pennsylvania, where Democrat Joe Biden beat Trump to capture the state and help win the White House.

Ahead of a Tuesday hearing in the case, Trump’s campaign dropped the allegation that hundreds of thousands of mail-in and absentee ballots — 682,479, to be precise — were illegally processed without its representatives watching.

The campaign’s slimmed-down lawsuit, filed in federal court on Sunday, maintains the aim of blocking Pennsylvania from certifying a victory for Biden in the state, and it maintains its claim that Democratic voters were treated more favorably than Republican voters.

The Associated Press on Nov. 7 called the presidential contest for former Vice President Joe Biden, after determining that the remaining ballots left to be counted in Pennsylvania would not allow Trump to catch up. Trump has refused to concede.

The remaining claim in the lawsuit centers on disqualifying ballots cast by voters who were given an opportunity to fix mail-in ballots that were going to be disqualified for a technicality.

The lawsuit charges that “Democratic-heavy counties” violated the law by identifying mail-in ballots before Election Day that had defects — such as lacking an inner “secrecy envelope” or lacking a voter’s signature on the outside envelope — so that the voter could fix it and ensure that their vote would count, called “curing.”

Republican-heavy counties “followed the law and did not provide a notice and cure process, disenfranchising many,” the lawsuit said.

Cliff Levine, a lawyer representing the Democratic National Committee, which is seeking to intervene, said it isn’t clear how many voters were given the chance to fix their ballot.

But, he said, it is minimal and certainly fewer than the margin — almost 70,000 — that separates Biden and Trump.

“The numbers aren’t even close to the margin between the two candidates, not even close,” Levine said.

In any case, there is no provision in state law preventing counties from helping voters to fix a ballot that contains a technical deficiency. Levine said the lawsuit does not contain any allegation that somebody voted illegally.

“They really should be suing the counties that didn’t allow (voters) to make corrections,” Levine said. “The goal should be making sure every vote counts.”

Pennsylvania’s top election official, Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar, a Democrat, responded in court on Sunday, asking the judge to dismiss the case. State courts are the proper jurisdiction for the subject, and the lawsuit contains no “plausible claim for relief on any legal theory,” the state’s lawyers wrote.

More than 2.6 million mail-in ballots were reported received by counties, and there has been no report by state or county election officials or a prosecutor of fraud or any other problem with the accuracy of the count.

A key theme of Trump and his supporters has been their claim that Philadelphia — a Democratic bastion where Trump lost badly — had not allowed Trump’s campaign representatives to watch mail-in and absentee ballots processed and tabulated.

However, Republican lawyers have acknowledged in a separate federal court proceeding that they had certified observers watching mail-in ballots being processed in Philadelphia. Gov. Tom Wolf’s administration has said that ballot watchers from all parties had observers throughout the process and that “any insinuation otherwise is a lie.”
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57183 on: November 16, 2020, 05:54:16 AM »

Trump coronavirus adviser Scott Atlas urges Michigan to 'rise up' against new Covid-19 measures

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/15/politics/scott-atlas-coronavirus-michigan/index.html

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57184 on: November 16, 2020, 06:07:47 AM »

What a horror Dr. Atlas is.
He believes that everyone should get infected and then we'd be fine.
Hell, we could have even saved all that money on concocting a virus.
And those dead grannies wouldn't be sucking up Social Security money anymore.


I liked in the PA suit, the GOP admitted that they had observers by stating that they had a "non-zero number" of observers at all times.
Assholes.
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« Reply #57185 on: November 16, 2020, 06:54:27 AM »

So looks like the Age of Drone Warfare has fully arrived.
Basically Azerbaijan just won a war with Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh and surroundings, land that Azerbaijan lost to Armenia in the early 90's war using drones.  Unmanned Turkish drones carrying 4 guided missiles each were very effective in taking out Russian anti-aircraft batteries.  Azerbaijan also has Israeli drones.

In one clever ruse, Azerbaijan disguised some ancient planes they bought from Ukraine as modern drones, outfitted them to fly unmanned and flew them low over their enemy.  When  Armenians attacked those aircraft, the real Azeri drones way high up locked in on exposed Armenian anti-aircraft position and took them out.

Turkey tested out these drones and strategy in northwest Syria in the past year or two.  But this seems to be the first full hi-tech drone war. 

Azerbaijan also used small special forces groups, much as the US did in Afghanistan to take over high points and surround and cut off nearby towns.  One report said that Azerbaijan captured so much abandoned Armenian equipment and faced such small losses that they might be the first army to ever end a war with more military hardware than when they started. 


Background:
Azerbaijan piled up oil wealth the past couple decades.  When I was there two years ago, Baku had a lot of new gleaming buildings, a showcase park up on a hill overlooking the Caspian Sea, good roads and infrastructure.  Except for a dictator who took over from his father and then installed his wife as one VP, things have been going well in Azerbaijan.
Armenia is scragglier and poorer, getting buy more with agriculture and mining.
Large protests overthrew the corrupt gov't 3 years ago, and now there's a fledgling reform democracy.

The initial war broke out in 1988 in the late Gorbachev days and two parts of the USSR fighting each other was a harbinger of the break-up of the Soviet Union.  After the USSR collapsed the war in N-K raged until 1994 when Azerbaijan conceded having lost 1/7th of their territory.  Nagorno-Karabakh (the Karabakh highlands) and an equal chunk of Azerbaijan land surrounding N-K, a lightly populated buffer zone that linked N-K with Armenia.

Under the Russian peace deal, Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians (the self-proclaimed Republic Artsakh) hang on to most of Nagorno Karabkh -- whatever they didn't lose in the war.  But all the surrounding buffer land returns to Azerbaijan control.  Armenian refugees leaving those lands are stripping everything of value and many even burning their houses as a parting gesture.  There really should have been a mechanism so that they got some small compensation for their houses.  Most are poor rural folk homeless and heading to the N-K capital Stapankert or to Armenia proper, uprooted from their land and lives without much warning.

2000 Russian troops are being deployed to monitor the peace and ensure the Lachin corridor, the roadway from Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia remains open and safe.  Otherwise N-K becomes a disconnected exclave surrounded by Azerbaijan, and easily choked off of supplies.

Winners:
Azerbaijan and Turkey
Losers:
Armenia and to a lesser extent Iran
Other:
Russia concedes Turkish influence in the Caucasus, but also gets to embed its military in another Transcaucus country.  Russia fosters more Armenian dependence, but also anger for not taking a bigger role and promoting the peace deal in which Armenia loses.  But also Russia keeps its good relationship with Azerbaijan.  A canny in-between play from Putin.  Though those pesky Turks and their hi-tech drones are a long term worry.
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« Reply #57186 on: November 16, 2020, 07:08:07 AM »

I was talking today with some family about potential positives arising from the coronavirus annus horriblis.

- More employers letting their employees work at home.

- More mail-in and early voting

- An ability to develop vaccines quicker, and hopefully less resistance to vaccination (we shall see).

- an improvement in online teaching/learning.  With perhaps kids getting better at utilizing some forms of technology.

- Trump being voted out

- fewer school shootings

- I was hoping there would be a realization that masks are beneficial to combat the regular Winter flu.  And that folks who are sick with flu should, sty home, mask up if they go out in public and should definitely not go to work sick.

Maybe others can add more ...

NFL coaches not having to hold playcards over their faces to combat lip-reading

240K dead is a small price to pay for those "benefits", right?

Come on, man!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57187 on: November 16, 2020, 07:09:55 AM »

Seriously,
Is there any way...voter fraud (organised or not), mail fraud, electoral office fraud state or federal...any possible way, under the current system, that Trump won the election by millions of votes or any number of votes?
Rudy was shown on my tv tonite saying it is true.
Also another official looking woman on my tv tonite was saying it.
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« Reply #57188 on: November 16, 2020, 07:13:51 AM »

Seriously,
Is there any way...voter fraud (organised or not), mail fraud, electoral office fraud state or federal...any possible way, under the current system, that Trump won the election by millions of votes or any number of votes?
 

No. There isn't any way that this happened.

Change the channel so you can get real news.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57189 on: November 16, 2020, 07:20:23 AM »

So looks like the Age of Drone Warfare has fully arrived.
Basically Azerbaijan just won a war with Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh and surroundings

Winners:
Azerbaijan and Turkey
Losers:
Armenia and to a lesser extent Iran
Other:
Russia concedes Turkish influence in the Caucasus, but also gets to embed its military in another Transcaucus country.  Russia fosters more Armenian dependence, but also anger for not taking a bigger role and promoting the peace deal in which Armenia loses.  But also Russia keeps its good relationship with Azerbaijan.  A canny in-between play from Putin.  Though those pesky Turks and their hi-tech drones are a long term worry.

I went to visit my folks in New Jersey two weekends ago and we went to the Palisades Interstate Park (Fort Lee park) for a walk.  We got to the spot overlooking the George Washington Bridge and hudson river (seen below) and saw walking across the bridge from manhattan what must've been hundreds (or maybe thousands) of Armenian flag bearing folks marching and holding signs calling for Peace in N-K and calling for Turkey to stop it's proxy war.



There might've been one Azerbaijian flag but 99.9% of the marchers seemed pro-Armenia or at least pro peace.  My parents were impressed by the showing but I noted how they didn't get any press coverage.  Googling now i found this link. https://armenianchurch.us/event/united-for-artsakh-geo-washington-bridge-march-for-truth-fort-lee-nj/ from an armenian church group.



In fact the bulk of my understanding of this conflict has come from my own googling after seeing the march and your posts.

This is sadly a non-story here.
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« Reply #57190 on: November 16, 2020, 07:23:02 AM »

Seriously,
Is there any way...voter fraud (organised or not), mail fraud, electoral office fraud state or federal...any possible way, under the current system, that Trump won the election by millions of votes or any number of votes?
Rudy was shown on my tv tonite saying it is true.
Also another official looking woman on my tv tonite was saying it.

No.  Isn't it obvious Trump is saying whatever it takes to save face?  He alleged fraud months before the actual election so of course now he wants there to be evidence to back up his claims.  There is no evidence.

He said in 2016 that the election that year would be fraudulent (because like this year he did not think he could win) and there was no evidence of it then either.

He is a sore loser.  How is this not obvious?
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« Reply #57191 on: November 16, 2020, 07:24:36 AM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54716550

Trump's legal battles will no longer be slowed by his POTUS shield of defense.

This piece gives details on potential outcomes for:

1) The hush-money allegations

2) The tax and bank fraud investigation

3) The real-estate fraud investigation

4) The emoluments cases

5) The sexual misconduct lawsuits

6) The Mary Trump lawsuit



As the article points out, "No American citizen, not even the president, is categorically above the law."




 
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« Reply #57192 on: November 16, 2020, 07:59:55 AM »

A victory by an Islamic country over a more or less modern Christian democracy is rare these days.
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« Reply #57193 on: November 16, 2020, 08:07:30 AM »

A victory by an Islamic country over a more or less modern Christian democracy is rare these days.

You know what they say When Jesus slacks... Islam whacks!
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« Reply #57194 on: November 16, 2020, 09:33:41 AM »

Trump coronavirus adviser Scott Atlas urges Michigan to 'rise up' against new Covid-19 measures

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/15/politics/scott-atlas-coronavirus-michigan/index.html

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