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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[kidcarter8]

Biden plan also adds for adult dependent children, so it is MORE than just the 1400

[bankshot1]

Looks like President Elect Biden has decided to go big from the get go.

He has a small two year window before white people go “white people” and give the keys back to the Republicans.

This is akin to saying that eventually black people will steal from you. At least once in a while try to avoid stereotyping all of us.

Why?

Where is the flaw in my assertion?

Was 2010 not enough evidence? Was the hysteria over Defund The Police not in evidence?

call me a bigot if you want to... and you want to, but I stand by my assertion.

Larry you made two assertions above

one I disagree and diasagreed with (back in June 2020) with and that I beleive I was proven right (Biden would not go big but rather he went smart and would pick his initial fights selectively. Ie covid, covid relief priming-fixing the economy and infrastructure (I also had fixing O-care, global warming stuff-infrastructure, and some selective tax increases).

There is no defunding the police, no Medicare for all, no free college, etc. there is no scary "far-left socialist" agenda that Repubs would try and demonize and weapoinize. Joe needs to get from 51% to 55-60%,  and to do so he needs early wins. GO BIG is a loser politically.

and the second, I agree with, and discussed with you earlier (June 2020) basically Joe has two years to win the hearts and minds of America by being smart and appealing the 50% building to 60% he has to appeal to, and winning the '22 elections.

Or otherwise he runs the risk of losing Congress in '22, and loses the possibility of more sweeping changes in '22 and '24

I'm glad to see you seem to maybe understand the political risk.

[LarryBnDC]

Looks like President Elect Biden has decided to go big from the get go.

He has a small two year window before white people go “white people” and give the keys back to the Republicans.

This is akin to saying that eventually black people will steal from you. At least once in a while try to avoid stereotyping all of us.

Why?

Where is the flaw in my assertion?

Was 2010 not enough evidence? Was the hysteria over Defund The Police not in evidence?

call me a bigot if you want to... and you want to, but I stand by my assertion.

Larry you made two assertions

one I disagreed (back in June 2020) with and that I beleive I was proven right (Biden would not go big but rather he went smart and would pick his initial fights selectively. Ie covid, covid relief priming-fixing the economy and infrastructure (I also had fixing O-care, global warming stuff-infrastructure, and some selective tax increases).

There is no defunding the police, Medicare for all, free college, there is no scary "far-left socialist" agenda that Repubs would try and demonize and weapoinize. Joe needs to get from 51% to 55-60%,  and to do so he needs early wins. GO BIG is a loser politically.

and the second, I agree with, and discussed with you earlier (June 2020) basically Joe has two years to win the hearts and minds of America by being smart and appealing the 50% building to 60% he has to appeal to, and winning the '22 elections.

Or otherwise he runs the risk of losing Congress in '22, and loses the possibility of more sweeping changes in '22 and '24

I'm glad to see you seem maybe understand the political risk.

I understand the political opportunity. Obama didn't go big enough and he lost the House in 2010 because not enough people got relief and the GOP complained he took too long to fix the mess they made.

Plus Tea Party, racism. etc.

Also, the 2020 platform Biden ran on was the most progressive agenda ever.

Defund the Police was never a Democratic policy, it was a street slogan coopted by the right to scare white pople nd it worked.

[LarryBnDC]

Meanwhile, it wasn't just me making assertions Biden would go BIG.


The incident illustrates one of the reasons that Biden has proved such an elusive target. Despite embracing an agenda that is further to the left than that of any Democratic nominee in decades, he’s avoided the specific policy proposals and catchphrases that Republicans find easiest to attack. As a result, he appears more centrist than he actually is. In Biden, Democrats have a nominee who is promising FDR-style change, yet is avoiding the political backlash that an ambitious progressive agenda often brings.


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/joe-bidens-big-bold-and-very-quiet-agenda/614878/

[Oilcandide]

Will have to read the whole article to see if that holds water for me.  I was thinking Biden might turn out fairly centrist.  If that's not the case, then his admin will be more interesting than I'd expected.

It will be good if the xenophobes (I prefer this term to "white people" btw) can clear their heads and see that no one in the administration will be out to defund the police.  False slogans are harder to rinse off than true ones. 

[LarryBnDC]

A brief tour of downtown DC.

That was yesterday, today most of where I was is off limits.



https://www.facebook.com/messenger_media/?thread_id=1608634029194751&attachment_id=785625145363239&message_id=mid.%24gAAW3C0viPf99M8WH813An7a7Mx74

[LarryBnDC]

Will have to read the whole article to see if that holds water for me.  I was thinking Biden might turn out fairly centrist.  If that's not the case, then his admin will be more interesting than I'd expected.

It will be good if the xenophobes (I prefer this term to "white people" btw) can clear their heads and see that no one in the administration will be out to defund the police.  False slogans are harder to rinse off than true ones.

"Xenophobes" aren't trying to invalidate millions of votes from foreigners.

White supremacists are trying to disenfranchise millions of black voters.

period.

[REDSTATEWARD]

1400 + 600 = 2000.  That's the total, as he said it would be.  His plan was never for $2600 stimulus payments, which is what you, a conservative, are proposing.  As Spock would say, "Faaascinating." 

No worries, I'm sure you'll turn into a fiscal conservative again, come Jan. 20th.  Hang in there.

Stimulus?
The Biden plan is a RELIEF plan that you argued against when it was only $600 back in December.
I note you have no trouble in adding $1400 for more relief you won’t need( at least  you said in December that you and wifey were fine with getting nothing)

[kidcarter8]

2000 was what Biden SAID in his speech would go out

But like I said - the adult child money added makes up all of the difference for many, not for others

[kidcarter8]

It will be good if the xenophobes (I prefer this term to "white people" btw) can clear their heads and see that no one in the administration will be out to defund the police.  False slogans are harder to rinse off than true ones.


Keeping AOC out of the administration kept this true, if so.

So NOBODY who has been appointed/nominated shares her views on the matter, is what you are saying

[Hairy Lime]

1400 + 600 = 2000.  That's the total, as he said it would be.  His plan was never for $2600 stimulus payments, which is what you, a conservative, are proposing.  As Spock would say, "Faaascinating." 

No worries, I'm sure you'll turn into a fiscal conservative again, come Jan. 20th.  Hang in there.

Stimulus?
The Biden plan is a RELIEF plan that you argued against when it was only $600 back in December.
I note you have no trouble in adding $1400 for more relief you won’t need( at least  you said in December that you and wifey were fine with getting nothing)

You still do not want to understand the difference between relief and stimulus. Biden's plan has elements of  both. The 1400 is not targeted towards people who need help, which is why I think those stimulus payments should be delayed until there is an economy to stimulate and the money used for relief.

[bankshot1]

Relief and Stimulus go hand in hand  or somewhere

In economics what one considers relief, of $600, or another $1400 may end up stimulating another as it is spent in their store, restaurant, or  for rent, or wherever. It gets money flowing and people spending and there's the multiplier effect. 

Generally I prefer stimulus and then relief, but different strokes for different folks and this is a family friendly forum.

[bambu.]

Looks like President Elect Biden has decided to go big from the get go.

He has a small two year window before white people go “white people” and give the keys back to the Republicans.

This is akin to saying that eventually black people will steal from you. At least once in a while try to avoid stereotyping all of us.

Why?

Where is the flaw in my assertion?

Was 2010 not enough evidence? Was the hysteria over Defund The Police not in evidence?

call me a bigot if you want to... and you want to, but I stand by my assertion.

Larry you made two assertions

one I disagreed (back in June 2020) with and that I beleive I was proven right (Biden would not go big but rather he went smart and would pick his initial fights selectively. Ie covid, covid relief priming-fixing the economy and infrastructure (I also had fixing O-care, global warming stuff-infrastructure, and some selective tax increases).

There is no defunding the police, Medicare for all, free college, there is no scary "far-left socialist" agenda that Repubs would try and demonize and weapoinize. Joe needs to get from 51% to 55-60%,  and to do so he needs early wins. GO BIG is a loser politically.

and the second, I agree with, and discussed with you earlier (June 2020) basically Joe has two years to win the hearts and minds of America by being smart and appealing the 50% building to 60% he has to appeal to, and winning the '22 elections.

Or otherwise he runs the risk of losing Congress in '22, and loses the possibility of more sweeping changes in '22 and '24

I'm glad to see you seem maybe understand the political risk.

I understand the political opportunity. Obama didn't go big enough and he lost the House in 2010 because not enough people got relief and the GOP complained he took too long to fix the mess they made.

Plus Tea Party, racism. etc.

Also, the 2020 platform Biden ran on was the most progressive agenda ever.

Defund the Police was never a Democratic policy, it was a street slogan coopted by the right to scare white pople nd it worked.

"Defund the police" was a big hit on this forum, as I remember it.
"Defund the police and direct the money saved to community programs" or something.

[bambu.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez /oʊˌkɑːsioʊ kɔːrˈtɛz/ (Spanish: [oˈkasjo koɾˈtes]; born October 13, 1989), also known by her initials AOC, is an American politician serving as the U.S. representative for New York's 14th congressional district since 2019. The district includes the eastern part of the Bronx, portions of north-central Queens, and Rikers Island in New York City. She is a member of the Democratic Party.

Ocasio-Cortez drew national recognition when she won the Democratic Party's primary election for New York's 14th congressional district on June 26, 2018. She defeated Democratic Caucus Chair Joe Crowley, a 10-term incumbent, in what was widely seen as the biggest upset victory in the 2018 midterm election primaries.[1][2][3] She defeated Republican opponent Anthony Pappas in the November 2018 general election. She was reelected in the 2020 election, defeating John Cummings.

Taking office at age 29, Ocasio-Cortez is the youngest woman ever to serve in the United States Congress.[4][5] She has been noted for her substantial social media presence relative to her fellow members of Congress.[6] Ocasio-Cortez attended Boston University, where she double-majored in international relations and economics, graduating cum laude. She was previously an activist and worked as a waitress and bartender before running for Congress in 2018.

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A very fine achievement indeed.
The suffragist pioneers would be very elated.

[Hamilton Samuels]

1400 + 600 = 2000.  That's the total, as he said it would be.  His plan was never for $2600 stimulus payments, which is what you, a conservative, are proposing.  As Spock would say, "Faaascinating." 

No worries, I'm sure you'll turn into a fiscal conservative again, come Jan. 20th.  Hang in there.

Stimulus?
The Biden plan is a RELIEF plan that you argued against when it was only $600 back in December.
I note you have no trouble in adding $1400 for more relief you won’t need( at least  you said in December that you and wifey were fine with getting nothing)

JP Morgan banker not seeing Biden Plan as relief, but as stimulus---and as moving money back to US Markets----Asia’s emerging markets could become a casualty as a result of U.S. President-elect Joe Biden’s latest $1.9 trillion Covid relief plan.

That’s according to James Sullivan, head of Asia ex-Japan equity research at JPMorgan.

“Most investors were very positive on Asia and emerging markets relative to the U.S.” before details of the latest rescue package were announced, Sullivan told CNBC’s “Street Signs Asia” on Friday.

“We’ve seen over 18 consecutive weeks of fund inflows into Asia ex-Japan over the course of the last couple of months,” he said, adding that it is “highly likely” that funds start to rotate out of emerging markets in Asia back to the U.S. as a result of the boost to economic growth from Biden’s plan...

...With Biden’s $1.9 trillion plan now coming in at more than twice the amount expected by JPMorgan, the analyst said it will be a “positive surprise” for the market as well as for overall levels of economic growth in the U.S.





But I am sure James Sullivan doesn't know as much as our residential economic forecasting Constitutional scholar and Covid-19 expert.