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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1245 on: August 23, 2018, 02:44:59 AM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1246 on: August 23, 2018, 07:57:46 AM »

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/what-trumps-supporters-think-of-corruption/568147/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=the-atlantic-fb-test-312-4-&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social

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When Morning Consult asked Americans in May 2016 to explain why they disliked Hillary Clinton, the second-most-common answer was that she was “corrupt.” And yet, Trump supporters appear largely unfazed by the mounting evidence that Trump is the least ethical president in modern American history. When asked last month whether they considered Trump corrupt, only 14 percent of Republicans said yes. Even Cohen’s allegation is unlikely to change that.

The answer may lie in how Trump and his supporters define corruption. In a forthcoming book titled How Fascism Works, the Yale philosophy professor Jason Stanley makes an intriguing claim. “Corruption, to the fascist politician,” he suggests, “is really about the corruption of purity rather than of the law. Officially, the fascist politician’s denunciations of corruption sound like a denunciation of political corruption. But such talk is intended to evoke corruption in the sense of the usurpation of the traditional order.”

Fox’s decision to focus on the Iowa murder rather than Cohen’s guilty plea illustrates Stanley’s point. In the eyes of many Fox viewers, I suspect, the network isn’t ignoring corruption so much as highlighting the kind that really matters. When Trump instructed Cohen to pay off women with whom he’d had affairs, he may have been violating the law. But he was upholding traditional gender and class hierarchies. Since time immemorial, powerful men have been cheating on their wives and using their power to evade the consequences.

Pay attention. I already posted that.

But a lot of people have you on ignore.
Then a lot of people choose to remain ignorant. Confirmation bias, etc.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1247 on: August 23, 2018, 08:27:55 AM »

About that "hoax called climate change...

https://apnews.com/4adc5a2a2e6b45df953ebcba6b63d171

Big oil wants the government to protect it from climate change.

No refineries, no oil wells, an unprotected coastline, something to do with climate change?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1248 on: August 23, 2018, 08:40:16 AM »

A treasonous president conspiring with our enemy to manipulate our election who is also likely guilty of multiple felonies from bank fraud, money laundering and tax evasion gets to appoint his own judge who may rule on matters specific to the traitor?

Felons can't even vote, never mind fix the Supreme Court!

Nah. Not as strong an argument as “No president should fill a Supreme Court vacancy when the vacancy falls within 13 months of an election.”  THAT reasoning makes far more sense to REDSTATEWARD.  As long as the President is a Democrat, we should say.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1249 on: August 23, 2018, 09:50:59 AM »

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/what-trumps-supporters-think-of-corruption/568147/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=the-atlantic-fb-test-312-4-&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social

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When Morning Consult asked Americans in May 2016 to explain why they disliked Hillary Clinton, the second-most-common answer was that she was “corrupt.” And yet, Trump supporters appear largely unfazed by the mounting evidence that Trump is the least ethical president in modern American history. When asked last month whether they considered Trump corrupt, only 14 percent of Republicans said yes. Even Cohen’s allegation is unlikely to change that.

The answer may lie in how Trump and his supporters define corruption. In a forthcoming book titled How Fascism Works, the Yale philosophy professor Jason Stanley makes an intriguing claim. “Corruption, to the fascist politician,” he suggests, “is really about the corruption of purity rather than of the law. Officially, the fascist politician’s denunciations of corruption sound like a denunciation of political corruption. But such talk is intended to evoke corruption in the sense of the usurpation of the traditional order.”

Fox’s decision to focus on the Iowa murder rather than Cohen’s guilty plea illustrates Stanley’s point. In the eyes of many Fox viewers, I suspect, the network isn’t ignoring corruption so much as highlighting the kind that really matters. When Trump instructed Cohen to pay off women with whom he’d had affairs, he may have been violating the law. But he was upholding traditional gender and class hierarchies. Since time immemorial, powerful men have been cheating on their wives and using their power to evade the consequences.

Pay attention. I already posted that.

But a lot of people have you on ignore.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1250 on: August 23, 2018, 10:58:02 AM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1251 on: August 23, 2018, 11:03:03 AM »

Trump gives himself an A+ as president so far. Based on the value of credits from trump u, that grade is converted to an F-, the grade most of the country is giving him.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1252 on: August 23, 2018, 11:26:46 AM »

Trump goes on fox and friends to announce that it was he himself that payed off his mistresses. This lie actually contains two nuggets of truth; the he admits to the fact he had mistresses and that they were paid off.

That show did actually turn out to be good for something.

There is no point in trump’s lawyers hiding the sniveling dotard from a Mueller interview if they can’t keep him off Fox News and other outlets where he likes to go to incriminate himself and those around him.

A good explainer on how Trump confessed to a crime in that interview:

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/22/17770074/fox-and-friends-trump-cohen-campaign-finance-payment

Its actually amazing...Trump does almost no on-camera interviews.  The only ones he has done (since he incriminated himself on firing Comey in his interview with Lester Holt) have been on Fox, and more specifically, Fox & Friends which, before becoming infamous for being essentially state-run media for Trump, was known as the dumbest show on television.  Fox & Friends of course throws him nothing but softball questions meant to lead to Trump's profession of ignorance and innocence. 

So in the least combative environment possible, one that could not have been cushier for the President had it taken place on one of his own tiger print velvet couches, he still screws it up!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1253 on: August 23, 2018, 11:36:50 AM »

Nothing says innocence like saying "flipping should be illegal."

America's Mob Bosses agree!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1254 on: August 23, 2018, 11:39:09 AM »

 
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A juror in Paul Manafort’s financial fraud trial says a lone holdout prevented the jury from convicting the onetime Trump campaign chairman on all 18 counts.

Jurors repeatedly tried to persuade the holdout to “look at the paper trail” but she insisted there was reasonable doubt, juror Paula Duncan told Fox News.

“We didn’t want it to be hung, so we tried for an extended period of time to convince her,” Duncan said, adding that the four days of deliberations were so heated that there were “tears” among the 12 jurors. “But in the end, she held out and that’s why we have 10 counts that did not get a verdict.”

So just one juror spared Manafort 10 more guilty counts.
The juror talking about the proceeding is a Trump fan, where's a MAGA hat on Fox, etc, and she had Manafort guilty on all 18 counts and tried to persuade the lone holdout.

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She also said the jury “agreed to throw out the testimony” of Manafort protege Rick Gates, who pleaded guilty in Mueller’s investigation and agreed to cooperate with investigators, and focus instead on the documents.

I don't know how accurate her assessment is, but it's always interesting how jurors go about their deliberations.
Gates was the key witness and gave the most damning testimony and had all the inside knowledge.   And they just put all that aside?  hmm.


I remember years back there was a case where a father was on trial for killing his child.  And the jurors were given a walk-through tour of the house/scene of the crime.  And the jurors ended up convicting the father largely based on some holes punched in the walls and a door, as it convinced them he was easily enraged and violence-prone.  Something which wasn't even intentional evidence was decisive (according to the jurors post-trial).
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1255 on: August 23, 2018, 11:44:44 AM »

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A juror in Paul Manafort’s financial fraud trial says a lone holdout prevented the jury from convicting the onetime Trump campaign chairman on all 18 counts.

Jurors repeatedly tried to persuade the holdout to “look at the paper trail” but she insisted there was reasonable doubt, juror Paula Duncan told Fox News.

“We didn’t want it to be hung, so we tried for an extended period of time to convince her,” Duncan said, adding that the four days of deliberations were so heated that there were “tears” among the 12 jurors. “But in the end, she held out and that’s why we have 10 counts that did not get a verdict.”

So just one juror spared Manafort 10 more guilty counts.
The juror talking about the proceeding is a Trump fan, where's a MAGA hat on Fox, etc, and she had Manafort guilty on all 18 counts and tried to persuade the lone holdout.

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She also said the jury “agreed to throw out the testimony” of Manafort protege Rick Gates, who pleaded guilty in Mueller’s investigation and agreed to cooperate with investigators, and focus instead on the documents.

I don't know how accurate her assessment is, but it's always interesting how jurors go about their deliberations.
Gates was the key witness and gave the most damning testimony and had all the inside knowledge.   And they just put all that aside?  hmm.


I remember years back there was a case where a father was on trial for killing his child.  And the jurors were given a walk-through tour of the house/scene of the crime.  And the jurors ended up convicting the father largely based on some holes punched in the walls and a door, as it convinced them he was easily enraged and violence-prone.  Something which wasn't even intentional evidence was decisive (according to the jurors post-trial).

There was too much paper for the jury to ignore...
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1256 on: August 23, 2018, 11:45:07 AM »

"where's a MAGA hat on Fox"

MAGA hats are everywhere on Fox.

I think MAGA hats are required and part of the Fox News dress code.

Fair and Balanced.

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« Reply #1257 on: August 23, 2018, 11:49:10 AM »

I wonder how the New York St AG's suit against the Trump crime family will use the newly flipped Trump rat?

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« Reply #1258 on: August 23, 2018, 11:51:28 AM »

Credit to the juror for looking at the evidence and making the right call despite the rooting interest for Trump.  Trump tried his best to convince her with his tweets during the trial (a whole separate issue, how was this jury not sequestered, and why is it ok for Trump to try to influence the outcome in this way?)  but she put all that aside.  Now...how would a jury like her find if (when) it was Trump himself on trial?

Also credit investigators for collecting so much evidence that it was enough to convict even without the testimony of their star witness.

Word is Mueller has submitted three times more evidence/exhibits for Manafort's next trial, which will be more concerned with his ties to Russia.

The guy is in trouble.  And praying for more MAGA fans in the jurors box may not, apparently, help him.
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« Reply #1259 on: August 23, 2018, 12:02:37 PM »

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I remember years back there was a case where a father was on trial for killing his child.  And the jurors were given a walk-through tour of the house/scene of the crime.  And the jurors ended up convicting the father largely based on some holes punched in the walls and a door, as it convinced them he was easily enraged and violence-prone.  Something which wasn't even intentional evidence was decisive (according to the jurors post-trial).

I've sat on jury three times, and I'm always surprised at the degree to which jury instructions are ignored.  I saw one jury hung because two holdouts basically didn't like the state law on which the defendant was being tried.  No amount of "we're not here to legislate, or to pass judgment on statutes," dissuaded them. 

The failure to sequester in Manafort's trial is perplexing.  I know jurors are instructed to not look at news related to the trial, and promise not to, but if you let human beings have smartphones...

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