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REDSTATEWARD

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #4470 on: October 16, 2018, 03:32:57 PM »


I see you are doing exactly what I said you do: posting stupid deflecting comments instead of making and defending  your points because you lack the ability to do more than incompetently recap an argument you did not understand from a right wing website you can barely read.
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My comments were thus:

So Elizabeth Warren has come up with a DNA analysis that puts her claimed Native American ancestry somewhere between 1/64th and 1/1024th.
Well no wonder she signed her 1984 book “ Pow Wow Chow” as Elizabeth Warren, Cherokee!
Maybe she did us all a favor by putting a dagger through the heart of identity politics.


And a quote from a native American taking her to task for using the DNA test



Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong,” said Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. “It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven.”
Hoskin accused Warren of “undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

Perhaps your argument is with Mr. Hoskin, Jr.
It certainly is not with me.

My observation that if Senator Warren used a obscure connection in her heritage to claim minority status for a tenured teaching position at Harvard ( confirmed by Harvard)identity politics may have run its course which has been noted by many members of the democrat party.


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #4471 on: October 16, 2018, 03:52:38 PM »

Her policy positions put her in the human race, far far away from you or anyone you support.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #4472 on: October 16, 2018, 04:06:00 PM »

My observation that if Senator Warren used a obscure connection in her heritage to claim minority status for a tenured teaching position at Harvard ( confirmed by Harvard)identity politics may have run its course which has been noted by many members of the democrat party.

And my observation remains that your observation remains idiotic because identity politics has found its foremost practitioner in Donald Trump. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #4473 on: October 16, 2018, 04:23:08 PM »

<I>My observation that if Senator Warren used a obscure connection in her heritage to claim minority status for a tenured teaching position at Harvard ( confirmed by Harvard)identity politics may have run its course which has been noted by many members of the democrat party. </I>

And my observation remains that your observation remains idiotic because identity politics has found its foremost practitioner in Donald Trump.
Okay.
Not that Trump has anything to do with what Warren claimed at Harvard or what she touted as her indentity in her Senate race in 2012.
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« Reply #4474 on: October 16, 2018, 04:29:25 PM »

<I>My observation that if Senator Warren used a obscure connection in her heritage to claim minority status for a tenured teaching position at Harvard ( confirmed by Harvard)identity politics may have run its course which has been noted by many members of the democrat party. </I>

And my observation remains that your observation remains idiotic because identity politics has found its foremost practitioner in Donald Trump.
Okay.
Not that Trump has anything to do with what Warren claimed at Harvard or what she touted as her indentity in her Senate race in 2012.
Well it's nice to see that you admit  "identity politics" hasn't "run its course."  Once in awhile maybe a little self-reflection on the buzzword idiocy you spill here is in order.     
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #4475 on: October 16, 2018, 04:33:45 PM »

<I>My observation that if Senator Warren used a obscure connection in her heritage to claim minority status for a tenured teaching position at Harvard ( confirmed by Harvard)identity politics may have run its course which has been noted by many members of the democrat party. </I>

And my observation remains that your observation remains idiotic because identity politics has found its foremost practitioner in Donald Trump.
Okay.
Not that Trump has anything to do with what Warren claimed at Harvard or what she touted as her indentity in her Senate race in 2012.
Well it's nice to see that you admit  "identity politics" hasn't "run its course."  Once in awhile maybe a little self-reflection on the buzzword idiocy you spill here is in order.   

The man traded his whole political history to endorse America’s shittiest lifestyle brand. How much self-reflection can you really expect?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #4476 on: October 16, 2018, 05:12:03 PM »

<I>My observation that if Senator Warren used a obscure connection in her heritage to claim minority status for a tenured teaching position at Harvard ( confirmed by Harvard)identity politics may have run its course which has been noted by many members of the democrat party. </I>

And my observation remains that your observation remains idiotic because identity politics has found its foremost practitioner in Donald Trump.
Okay.
Not that Trump has anything to do with what Warren claimed at Harvard or what she touted as her indentity in her Senate race in 2012.
Well it's nice to see that you admit  "identity politics" hasn't "run its course." 
That may be your conclusion.  Nothing I have argued agrees with that.


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« Reply #4477 on: October 16, 2018, 05:24:33 PM »

It seems to me Sen. Warren used her family history, as told to her, and as attested to by DNA testing, to accurately apply for a job.

And it seems we've narrowed down the probabliites that Red is either 50% or 100% Northern European-North American racist troll.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #4478 on: October 16, 2018, 05:25:09 PM »

Okay then. So you're back to your idiotic conclusion that "identity politics" has "run its course." I prefer your disagreeing with me anyway.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #4479 on: October 16, 2018, 05:32:14 PM »


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I see you are doing exactly what I said you do: posting stupid deflecting comments instead of making and defending  your points because you lack the ability to do more than incompetently recap an argument you did not understand from a right wing website you can barely read.


My comments were thus:

So Elizabeth Warren has come up with a DNA analysis that puts her claimed Native American ancestry somewhere between 1/64th and 1/1024th.
Well no wonder she signed her 1984 book “ Pow Wow Chow” as Elizabeth Warren, Cherokee!
Maybe she did us all a favor by putting a dagger through the heart of identity politics.


And a quote from a native American taking her to task for using the DNA test



Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong,” said Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. “It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven.”
Hoskin accused Warren of “undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

Perhaps your argument is with Mr. Hoskin, Jr.
It certainly is not with me.
No, my argument is with you, not Hoskins. Hoskins has his reasons for limiting claims to tribal heritage. You have your reasons for denigrating the validity of Warren's pride in the oral tradition in her family of Native American heritage, and your reasons have nothing to do with his. Warren is not claiming to be legally entitled to be a member of the Cherokee tribe, she is validating an oral family history the right has mocked her for. It is the right's response, and your response, to having to eat.crow (lower case, the bird) that is at issue. She has native American blood and Trump's calling her Pocahontas has gone from race baiting to racism. Your desperate affempt to continue and advance that attack is a defense of racism.
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My observation that if Senator Warren used a obscure connection in her heritage to claim minority status for a tenured teaching position at Harvard ( confirmed denied by Harvard)
Fixed it for you. There is no evidence that Warren's ethnicity was raised with or known by Harvard at the time it hired her. It was not until after her hire that she identified in an official way with her heritage. I would link to the extensive Boston Globe article detailing records and interviews that conclusively demonstrates this is unfounded in facts, but I cannot figure out how.
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  identity politics may have run its course which has been noted by many members of the democrat party.
identity politics is a right wing way of sneering at women and minorities seeking their rights. Like political correctness.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #4480 on: October 16, 2018, 05:37:11 PM »

It seems to me Sen. Warren used her family history, as told to her, and as attested to by DNA testing, to accurately apply for a job.
There is no evidence she did any such thing. It is a.right wing myth, like Obama's place.of birth. Nothing more.
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« Reply #4481 on: October 16, 2018, 05:40:10 PM »

Yeah, I don't get the fuss either.  Half the country can claim some NA roots.  People like the feeling of connection to their native land that gives them.  So what?  I like blood pudding because some of my ancestors could get it down without gagging on every bite.  I don't need a freaking certificate.  I think Oaf 45 is silly to demand a test on something of no importance and Warren is silly to pay the slightest attention to Oaf 45.

But she DID

And to a negative result.

I think in the end Ms Warren will not run for President.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #4482 on: October 16, 2018, 05:41:43 PM »

Okay then. So you're back to your idiotic conclusion that "identity politics" has "run its course." I prefer your disagreeing with me anyway.
Suit yourself.
Just don’t distort my argument.
BTW on the subject of the so-called Trump million dollar bet on the DNA challenge.
I suggest he write a check to her charity for  $976.56 which is a bout 1/1024th of a million bucks.
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« Reply #4483 on: October 16, 2018, 05:42:27 PM »

When we are done with Warren can we start on Blumenthal?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #4484 on: October 16, 2018, 05:48:37 PM »

Yeah, I don't get the fuss either.  Half the country can claim some NA roots.  People like the feeling of connection to their native land that gives them.  So what?  I like blood pudding because some of my ancestors could get it down without gagging on every bite.  I don't need a freaking certificate.  I think Oaf 45 is silly to demand a test on something of no importance and Warren is silly to pay the slightest attention to Oaf 45.

But she DID

And to a negative result.

I think in the end Ms Warren will not run for President.
From your lips to God's ear. I find her to be a personification of everything wrong with today's Democratic Party.
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