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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12945 on: April 23, 2019, 12:06:22 PM »

"Everybody is being skipped by most Democrats"

Not sure what this means.  Do they all have their mind made up already on their primary vote?

No. It means right now support is spread among about twenty candidates.

Hell, Bernie is banking on winning the primaries with 35%...
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« Reply #12946 on: April 23, 2019, 12:53:57 PM »

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/opinion/trump-republican-party.html

The truth that hurts, Repubs. If we want to save democracy, rule of law, and American values generally, then it's really up to Democrats to be very pragmatic and sensible in their choices so as to win back the government.  I'm an Independent, but I cannot see any Republican candidate on the horizon who would, by their commitment to democratic values and public service, get my vote. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12947 on: April 23, 2019, 12:54:23 PM »

Paulie K, telling it like it is:

Never mind attempts to spin this story as somehow not meeting some definitions of collusion or obstruction of justice. The fact is that the occupant of the White House betrayed his country. And the question everyone is asking is, what will Democrats do about it?

But notice that the question is only about Democrats. Everyone (correctly) takes it as a given that Republicans will do nothing. Why?

Because the modern G.O.P. is perfectly willing to sell out America if that’s what it takes to get tax cuts for the wealthy. Republicans may not think of it in those terms, but that’s what their behavior amounts to.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/opinion/trump-republican-party.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12948 on: April 23, 2019, 12:54:55 PM »

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/opinion/trump-republican-party.html

The truth that hurts, Repubs. If we want to save democracy, rule of law, and American values generally, then it's really up to Democrats to be very pragmatic and sensible in their choices so as to win back the government.  I'm an Independent, but I cannot see any Republican candidate on the horizon who would, by their commitment to democratic values and public service, get my vote.
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« Reply #12949 on: April 23, 2019, 01:21:24 PM »

Ignoramus 1 is polling 39-57% at the moment. It is essential to unearth and distribute as much information about the fat turd and his wafting miasma as possible. When his support has stabilized between 35-32% favoring and 61-63% against, you will see members of the Groping Oligarch Party faking patriotism and conscience again.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12950 on: April 23, 2019, 01:52:14 PM »

"Everybody is being skipped by most Democrats"

Not sure what this means.  Do they all have their mind made up already on their primary vote?

No. It means right now support is spread among about twenty candidates.

Hell, Bernie is banking on winning the primaries with 35%...

Still doesn't make sense why they would ignore Ms Warren's town hall.
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« Reply #12951 on: April 23, 2019, 02:01:48 PM »

Sorry. Got distracted by all the republicans starting to defect. Thank goodness for YouTube.

Meanwhile,

http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/gop-staffer-advocates-trumps-impeachment/587785/
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« Reply #12952 on: April 23, 2019, 02:11:37 PM »

Someone is listening and the policy ideas are getting heard.

http://slate.com/business/2019/04/elizabeth-warrens-plan-forgive-student-debt-bernie-primary.html

We can get programs that actually increase prosperity by kicking out the dead dogs on the regressive right.
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« Reply #12953 on: April 23, 2019, 02:18:22 PM »

Paulie K, telling it like it is:

Never mind attempts to spin this story as somehow not meeting some definitions of collusion or obstruction of justice. The fact is that the occupant of the White House betrayed his country. And the question everyone is asking is, what will Democrats do about it?

But notice that the question is only about Democrats. Everyone (correctly) takes it as a given that Republicans will do nothing. Why?

Because the modern G.O.P. is perfectly willing to sell out America if that’s what it takes to get tax cuts for the wealthy. Republicans may not think of it in those terms, but that’s what their behavior amounts to.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/opinion/trump-republican-party.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
How easy it is for the Times’ prince of darkness to spout his take. He neglects the dilemmas of the d’s.
The d’s  DOJ favorites, Mueller and Rosenstein,  could not make cases for collusion or obstruction even  with a staff of dem donors and Hillary supporters. Add in that the dem House majority contains a slew of red state reps who face re-election next year.
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« Reply #12954 on: April 23, 2019, 02:29:25 PM »

They did make the minimal case despite full bore obstruction and life long affiliation with the GOP. You have seen the redacted summary of the conclusion of the report that did not relate to counter intelligence or ongoing corruption prosecutions. You have seen a great case not charged and it isn’t even the tip of the iceberg. Rosenstein and Mueller brought this out through the enormous constipation created by trump and Barr know what they had found would utterly destroy the republican party and its corrupt amoral machinery.

Look, “the ship be sinking”

http://mobile.twitter.com/RichVisotcky/status/1120679374926360577?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1120679374926360577&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F2019%2F4%2F23%2F1852539%2F-Momentum-to-impeach-builds-as-RepublicansforImpeachment-trends-And-Buttigieg-unites
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« Reply #12955 on: April 23, 2019, 02:35:39 PM »

Paulie K, telling it like it is:

Never mind attempts to spin this story as somehow not meeting some definitions of collusion or obstruction of justice. The fact is that the occupant of the White House betrayed his country. And the question everyone is asking is, what will Democrats do about it?

But notice that the question is only about Democrats. Everyone (correctly) takes it as a given that Republicans will do nothing. Why?

Because the modern G.O.P. is perfectly willing to sell out America if that’s what it takes to get tax cuts for the wealthy. Republicans may not think of it in those terms, but that’s what their behavior amounts to.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/opinion/trump-republican-party.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
How easy it is for the Times’ prince of darkness to spout his take. He neglects the dilemmas of the d’s.
The d’s  DOJ favorites, Mueller and Rosenstein,  could not make cases for collusion or obstruction even  with a staff of dem donors and Hillary supporters. Add in that the dem House majority contains a slew of red state reps who face re-election next year.

Your response proves Krugman's point.  Mueller's report established that the "President" and leader of a party that has now completely bent to his will has no loyalty for the US, is unwilling to defend our Democracy, and has no respect for the rule of law.  Yet you want to talk about the "dilemmas of the d's" because it should go without saying that Republicans have no plans to respond to those facts.

After all, the rich got their tax cuts.  What else could possibly matter?
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« Reply #12956 on: April 23, 2019, 02:43:01 PM »

And just to correct some errors:

The d’s  DOJ favorites, Mueller and Rosenstein,  could not make cases for collusion or obstruction even  with a staff of dem donors and Hillary supporters.

Putting aside the Trumpist Propaganda, two points of fact: 

1) Mueller was crystal clear that he was not looking for "collusion" but trying to prove a criminal level of cooperation, which is different.  Mueller did, in fact, uncover lots of collusion.

2) Mueller made a case for obstruction.  A very convincing one.  But he did not believe it is the place of a criminal inquiry to to make that call of a sitting President.  He left it to Congress to make that call (not Barr) and those of us who care more about our Democracy than tax cuts are hoping that they will take that case up, whatever the (dubious) arguments about the politics.
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« Reply #12957 on: April 23, 2019, 03:03:58 PM »

The goon was recorded swearing an oath in front of a smallish crowd in the rain some time in January 2017. Rather than in any way upholding that oath, he has done just the opposite.

The shitcanning of that turd is underway. It will be a slow painful colonic process. Lots of scoping is scheduled on the chart.

This is why Red is reaching for anesthetics so frantically.
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« Reply #12959 on: April 23, 2019, 03:26:57 PM »

http://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/23/mueller-report-trump-denials-1287870

At this point, if you are taking denials from anyone at the White House at face value you are a fully indoctrinated member of the Trump Cult.

That's a group that apparently includes some posters here.
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