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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14700 on: June 04, 2019, 11:25:12 PM »

All of the people he screwed know exactly where he lives now. It’s going to be a fun summer.

http://www.salon.com/2019/06/04/owner-of-former-trump-hotel-in-panama-claims-trump-organization-evaded-taxes/
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« Reply #14701 on: June 04, 2019, 11:52:19 PM »

If it was a white guy, suspected supremacist or not - quite a few of you would have posted it here

So, because it wasn't one (assuming it wasn't, that was why you put off posting about it until you knew it was not?

Gotta score points!

How... terribly unusual.

Still waiting, Kiiid.

Anything to say about the situation other than "he wasn't white and you people didn't talk about it?"
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14702 on: June 05, 2019, 12:00:01 AM »

That’s all you posted.

In that post. But since you are struggling, here is Article 2, Section 1, on the subject of Electors:
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Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Back to waiting for you to find a passage that says what you claim the Constitution says.

But still not holding my breath.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14703 on: June 05, 2019, 01:20:08 AM »

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/04/trump-says-he-turned-down-corbyn-request-to-meet

Trump should have stuck to his guns and not backed down like the coward he is.

If you can get England to give us an NHS, you will be rewarded mightily by our press.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14704 on: June 05, 2019, 02:24:29 AM »

That’s all you posted.

In that post. But since you are struggling, here is Article 2, Section 1, on the subject of Electors:
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Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Back to waiting for you to find a passage that says what you claim the Constitution says.

You already did.
Thanks.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14705 on: June 05, 2019, 03:31:54 AM »

That’s all you posted.

In that post. But since you are struggling, here is Article 2, Section 1, on the subject of Electors:
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Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Back to waiting for you to find a passage that says what you claim the Constitution says.

You already did.
Thanks.

Nope. Nothing there, weasel breath.

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress" says nothing about how any determination for the Electors' voting.

Nor does anything in the 12th Amendment, or you would not have bitched and moaned about my not putting them in the same post.

You got bupkis.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14706 on: June 05, 2019, 04:01:44 AM »

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"It's significant that in neither the (Dutch) nor the Juliana case have the government defendants contested the underlying science of climate change," Gerrard said. "Instead their defenses are what is the proper role of the courts, as opposed to the legislative and administrative branches dealing with the issue.

You know why the government is not challenging the science?

Because they would lose and they know it.

They know it in the Netherlands and they know it in the United States. They know it in Australia, too.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/04/politics/climate-kids-lawsuit-scn/index.html
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14707 on: June 05, 2019, 04:54:51 AM »

Trump’s life is leaking like his diaper.

The Marla prenup is so trumpy. The backstory even more so.

Can’t wait till he has his breakup with the GOP.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14708 on: June 05, 2019, 07:45:10 AM »

That’s all you posted.

In that post. But since you are struggling, here is Article 2, Section 1, on the subject of Electors:
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Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Back to waiting for you to find a passage that says what you claim the Constitution says.

You already did.
Thanks.

Nope. Nothing there, weasel breath.

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress" says nothing about how any determination for the Electors' voting.

Nor does anything in the 12th Amendment, or you would not have bitched and moaned about my not putting them in the same post.

You got bupkis.
Then why is there no Al Gore or Hillary Clinton Presidential Library?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14709 on: June 05, 2019, 08:21:13 AM »

That’s all you posted.

In that post. But since you are struggling, here is Article 2, Section 1, on the subject of Electors:
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Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Back to waiting for you to find a passage that says what you claim the Constitution says.

You already did.
Thanks.

Nope. Nothing there, weasel breath.

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress" says nothing about how any determination for the Electors' voting.

Nor does anything in the 12th Amendment, or you would not have bitched and moaned about my not putting them in the same post.

You got bupkis.
Then why is there no Al Gore or Hillary Clinton Presidential Library?

You really aren't well. That's a particularly stupid question, even for you.

Because the laws in the individual states are what they are, Ward. The states have the power to change them (even if you got the ways they were changed wrong, previously), but our country had not made the proposed change at all in 2000. Not enough have made the change for 2016 to have been affected.

But that has nothing to do with whether it can be done, only whether it had been tried yet - it had not. The same kind of argument (to stretch a term, since you haven't actually made one, merely said "but the Constitution!" without substance) was made for why Ranked Choice Voting was unconstitutional after it impacted the outcome of a congressional race in Maine. He lost at two levels before giving up shy of the SCOTUS.
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« Reply #14710 on: June 05, 2019, 08:32:52 AM »

That’s all you posted.

In that post. But since you are struggling, here is Article 2, Section 1, on the subject of Electors:
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Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Back to waiting for you to find a passage that says what you claim the Constitution says.

You already did.
Thanks.

Nope. Nothing there, weasel breath.

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress" says nothing about how any determination for the Electors' voting.

Nor does anything in the 12th Amendment, or you would not have bitched and moaned about my not putting them in the same post.

You got bupkis.

Remember this shizz from when the 2016 concluded and it was said that "electors dont HAVE to cast their votes for Trump". 

Yeah, that went well.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14711 on: June 05, 2019, 09:17:36 AM »

Led by the fucking nose

Too damn funny.

Led by the nose...by a completely factual and accurate recounting of an incident where DHS/ICE were dangerously unprepared to follow through with court-ordered reunification of families.

Court ordered, kiidcarter8.  Those heartwarming happy reunions would not have been necessary had DHS not separated them in the first place.  These weren't kids lost in the woods.  They were detained, without their parents, due to an intentionally cruel Trump Administration policy meant to deter asylum seekers.  But kiidcarter8 sees nothing of note here. 

Over your head apparently.  Maybe go back to discussing drunk Australian models misbehaving on flights.  That was a story that actually inspired you to do some research!
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« Reply #14712 on: June 05, 2019, 09:18:43 AM »

That’s all you posted.

In that post. But since you are struggling, here is Article 2, Section 1, on the subject of Electors:
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Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Back to waiting for you to find a passage that says what you claim the Constitution says.

You already did.
Thanks.

Nope. Nothing there, weasel breath.

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress" says nothing about how any determination for the Electors' voting.

Nor does anything in the 12th Amendment, or you would not have bitched and moaned about my not putting them in the same post.

You got bupkis.

Remember this shizz from when the 2016 concluded and it was said that "electors dont HAVE to cast their votes for Trump". 

Yeah, that went well.

Its funny how kiidcarter8 and REDSTATEWARD think they are actually rebutting Josh's argument when they are only reinforcing it.
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« Reply #14713 on: June 05, 2019, 09:33:31 AM »

Led by the fucking nose

Too damn funny.

Led by the nose...by a completely factual and accurate recounting of an incident where DHS/ICE were dangerously unprepared to follow through with court-ordered reunification of families.

Court ordered, kiidcarter8.  Those heartwarming happy reunions would not have been necessary had DHS not separated them in the first place.  These weren't kids lost in the woods.  They were detained, without their parents, due to an intentionally cruel Trump Administration policy meant to deter asylum seekers.  But kiidcarter8 sees nothing of note here. 

Over your head apparently.  Maybe go back to discussing drunk Australian models misbehaving on flights.  That was a story that actually inspired you to do some research!

Our disagreement is not a matter of research.
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« Reply #14714 on: June 05, 2019, 09:38:46 AM »

That’s all you posted.

In that post. But since you are struggling, here is Article 2, Section 1, on the subject of Electors:
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Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Back to waiting for you to find a passage that says what you claim the Constitution says.

You already did.
Thanks.

Nope. Nothing there, weasel breath.

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress" says nothing about how any determination for the Electors' voting.

Nor does anything in the 12th Amendment, or you would not have bitched and moaned about my not putting them in the same post.

You got bupkis.

Remember this shizz from when the 2016 concluded and it was said that "electors dont HAVE to cast their votes for Trump". 

Yeah, that went well.

Its funny how kiidcarter8 and REDSTATEWARD think they are actually rebutting Josh's argument when they are only reinforcing it.

I am not involved with what RSW and Josh are discussing.
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