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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17130 on: July 23, 2019, 11:30:24 AM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17131 on: July 23, 2019, 11:37:07 AM »

Unlike many of his rivals for the 2016 presidential nomination -- Jeb(!) Bush, Ted Cruz -- Trump never expressed any real concern about the rising deficits (and debt) in the country, nor did he seem terribly concerned about its potential impacts on the economy either now or in the future.

That was in keeping with how Trump had conducted his own personal business prior to running for office -- the self-proclaimed "King of Debt," Trump regularly borrowed heavily to finance his various projects. As Trump told CBS News' Norah O'Donnell during the 2016 campaign: "I've made a fortune by using debt, and if things don't work out, I renegotiate the debt. I mean, that's a smart thing, not a stupid thing."

Given that history, no one could, really, be surprised by the lack of interest or concern Trump has shown about adding to yearly deficits since being elected president. His much-hyped tax cuts are set to add $1.85 trillion to the national debt over an 11-year period, according to projections from the Congressional Budget Office. (The national debt has already grown to $22 trillion -- up more than $2 trillion since Trump came into office.) The federal deficit for this budgetary year, which has two more months left in it, is almost $750 billion -- an increase of nearly 25% from the previous year.



https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/23/politics/debt-deal-budget-ceiling/index.html
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17133 on: July 23, 2019, 11:49:56 AM »

Congratulations to the new Prime Minister of United Kingston.
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« Reply #17134 on: July 23, 2019, 12:01:32 PM »

Unlike many of his rivals for the 2016 presidential nomination -- Jeb(!) Bush, Ted Cruz -- Trump never expressed any real concern about the rising deficits (and debt) in the country, nor did he seem terribly concerned about its potential impacts on the economy either now or in the future.
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Given that history, no one could, really, be surprised by the lack of interest or concern Trump has shown about adding to yearly deficits since being elected president.

From that piece:
"The decade-long shredding of these hard-fought budget constraints mirrors the shredding of Republican credibility on fiscal responsibility."

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Donald Trump: “We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt.”

Bob Woodward: “How long would that take?”

Trump: “I think I could do it fairly quickly, because of the fact the numbers…”

Woodward: “What’s fairly quickly?”

Trump: “Well, I would say over a period of eight years. And I’ll tell you why.”

Woodward: “Would you ever be open to tax increases as part of that, to solve the problem?”

Trump: “I don’t think I’ll need to. The power is trade. Our deals are so bad.”

Woodward: “That would be $2 trillion a year.”

Trump: “No, but I’m renegotiating all of our deals, Bob. The big trade deals that we’re doing so badly on. With China, $505 billion this year in trade. We’re losing with everybody.”

— exchange during a Washington Post interview, March 31, 2016

or the year before, in New Hampshire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YudyGPDYIcs

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in an interview with CNBC’s Andrew Ross Sorkin and Becky Quick on May 5, 2016.

Sorkin: “Mr. Trump, you talk about debt. And you are to some degree the king of debt. I appreciate that point. You have also renegotiated debt agreements over the years. Do you believe that we, in terms of the United States, need to pay a hundred cents on the dollar, or do you think that there’s actually ways that we can renegotiate that debt?”

Trump: “Yeah, I think — look. I have borrowed, knowing that you can pay back with discounts. And I have done very well with debt. Now, of course, I was swashbuckling, and it did well for me and it was good for me and all that. And you know, debt was sort of always interesting to me. Now we’re in a different situation with the country. But I would borrow, knowing that if the economy crashed, you could make a deal. And if the economy was good, it was good. So, therefore, you can’t lose. It’s like, you know, you make a deal before you go into a poker game, and your odds are so much better.” …

Quick: “I understand that you’ve done this in business deals, but are you suggesting we would negotiate with the U.S. credit in such a way?”

Trump: “No, I think this. I think there are times for us to refinance. We refinance debt with longer term. Because you know, we owe so much money. … I could see long-term renegotiations, where we borrow long-term at very low rates.” …

Quick: “But let’s be clear. I mean, you’re not talking about renegotiating sovereign bonds that the U.S. has already issued?”

Trump: “No. I don’t want to renegotiate the bonds. But I think you can do discounting, I think, you know, depending on where interest rates are, I think you can buy back. You can — I’m not talking about with a renegotiation, but you can buy back at discounts, you can do things with discounts. … I would refinance debt. I think we should refinance longer-term debt.”

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“This is the United States government. First of all, you never have to default because you print the money,” Trump said on CNN’s “New Day. “I hate to tell you. So there’s never a default.”

“This is the United States government. First of all, you never have to default because you print the money,” Trump said on CNN’s “New Day. “I hate to tell you. So there’s never a default.”


Is your argument that we should never have believed him, Kid?

Funny, that was our argument!

Or as was written in 2016:
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But one thing seems fairly certain:  a Donald Trump presidency is likely to have little regard for decreasing the national debt (the cumulative amount owed by the federal government) or the annual budget deficit.  Some of us are shocked that the national debt has nearly doubled (from roughly $10 trillion to nearly $20 trillion) on President Obama’s watch, but that number will likely grow under President Trump, perhaps even on a similar scale.
~David Davenport, contributor to Fortune

I take your post of that segment as concession by you that Trump isn't going to be keeping that promise, after you've spent a year telling us we are being impatient.

It is to laugh.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17135 on: July 23, 2019, 12:06:55 PM »

Unlike many of his rivals for the 2016 presidential nomination -- Jeb(!) Bush, Ted Cruz -- Trump never expressed any real concern about the rising deficits (and debt) in the country, nor did he seem terribly concerned about its potential impacts on the economy either now or in the future.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/250597251800522752?lang=en
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Scary--Obama's budget deficits are so out of control that he has to borrow 40 cents on every dollar he spends.
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/388371705577897984?lang=en
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Obama is the most profligate deficit & debt spender in our nation’s history. Doubled debt (cont)

I happen to believe that Trump doesn't care about the debt or deficit.

He's just a liar who says whatever suits him.

Glad you've finally figured that out, Kid.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17136 on: July 23, 2019, 12:23:51 PM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17137 on: July 23, 2019, 12:46:54 PM »

Given that history, no one could, really, be surprised by the lack of interest or concern Trump has shown about adding to yearly deficits since being elected president.

This would have been true no matter who the Republican nominee was.  Deficits only matter to Republicans when the President is a Democrat.

Trump differentiated himself from his Republican rivals on deficit spending by pledging not to cut social programs, and to implement a big increase in infrastructure spending.

Two more promises he has gone back on or failed to deliver as "President."
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« Reply #17138 on: July 23, 2019, 12:55:39 PM »

Given that history, no one could, really, be surprised by the lack of interest or concern Trump has shown about adding to yearly deficits since being elected president.

This would have been true no matter who the Republican nominee was.  Deficits only matter to Republicans when the President is a Democrat.

Trump differentiated himself from his Republican rivals on deficit spending by pledging not to cut social programs, and to implement a big increase in infrastructure spending.

Two more promises he has gone back on or failed to deliver as "President."

One and a half.

His infrastructure "pledge" was always about having lots of outside money spent on it, not federal money.

But hey! Under this president, the former chief deficit hawk admitted that it was always a lie!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17140 on: July 23, 2019, 01:03:09 PM »

Given that history, no one could, really, be surprised by the lack of interest or concern Trump has shown about adding to yearly deficits since being elected president.

This would have been true no matter who the Republican nominee was.  Deficits only matter to Republicans when the President is a Democrat.

Trump differentiated himself from his Republican rivals on deficit spending by pledging not to cut social programs, and to implement a big increase in infrastructure spending.

Two more promises he has gone back on or failed to deliver as "President."

One and a half.

His infrastructure "pledge" was always about having lots of outside money spent on it, not federal money.

But hey! Under this president, the former chief deficit hawk admitted that it was always a lie!

As a candidate Trump pledged $550 billion in Federal Dollars to promote more private investment in infrastructure, a number that went down to $200 Billion when he became President, and is currently $0 Billion.
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« Reply #17141 on: July 23, 2019, 01:14:17 PM »

Given that history, no one could, really, be surprised by the lack of interest or concern Trump has shown about adding to yearly deficits since being elected president.

This would have been true no matter who the Republican nominee was.  Deficits only matter to Republicans when the President is a Democrat.

Trump differentiated himself from his Republican rivals on deficit spending by pledging not to cut social programs, and to implement a big increase in infrastructure spending.

Two more promises he has gone back on or failed to deliver as "President."

One and a half.

His infrastructure "pledge" was always about having lots of outside money spent on it, not federal money.

But hey! Under this president, the former chief deficit hawk admitted that it was always a lie!

As a candidate Trump pledged $550 billion in Federal Dollars to promote more private investment in infrastructure, a number that went down to $200 Billion when he became President, and is currently $0 Billion.

And the first figure was far short of the infrastructure needs.
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« Reply #17142 on: July 23, 2019, 01:31:23 PM »

It appears that this President is off to a slow start on his promise to reduce the national debt "very quickly." Red got a tax cut.

Yes

Gets an F when judging national debt reduction in first 2.5 years of office.

You can keep recycling that sentence, Kid.  Just update the years in office every so often.  Hopefully, your ability to update will end at 4.

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« Reply #17143 on: July 23, 2019, 02:08:34 PM »

The argument against raising the minimum wage from no less than the great Socialist.

After taking fire for paying some members of his salaried unionized campaign staff the equivalent of the market rate of $13 an hour, Bernie Sanders had to announce “he will cut staffers’ hours so that they can effectively be paid a $15-an-hour minimum.”


Thanks Bernie.

An argument that workers can be paid the same salary for less work is an argument against raising the minimum wage?  Some logic there.
Only if you misquote the facts. Which you did.
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« Reply #17144 on: July 23, 2019, 02:46:29 PM »

The argument against raising the minimum wage from no less than the great Socialist.

After taking fire for paying some members of his salaried unionized campaign staff the equivalent of the market rate of $13 an hour, Bernie Sanders had to announce “he will cut staffers’ hours so that they can effectively be paid a $15-an-hour minimum.”


Thanks Bernie.

An argument that workers can be paid the same salary for less work is an argument against raising the minimum wage?  Some logic there.
Only if you misquote the facts. Which you did.

You accusing him of stealing your technique?
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