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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[barton]

"According to police, the series of shootings, which began when he shot a neighbor who was collecting money for Coats for Kids, ended two blood soaked hours later when, ironically, the Darwin man turned the gun on himself, and missed."

Given all his anti-science posts, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he turned a gun on Darwin.

ANTI-SCIENCE!!!

No need to shout it, when a calm eye can clearly see that someone who turns a blind eye to facts supported by all the data is someone who has no respect for the scientific method.

Mostly I was going for the "Darwin" double entendre. 

[facilitatorn]

Luee, I don't disagree with poking some holes in Warren's trade plan proposal.  My link, for those who read it, was about her farm/agribiz policy which is somewhat better crafted.  The WaPo columnist does acknowledge some positives in her trade proposal, btw....

If I was inclined to bend over backwards to be fair, Warren’s theory of trade policy is consistent with her larger theory of corporate power playing too large a role in public policy. And she has a leg to stand on here with trade policy. Corporate interests have privileged access to trade negotiations in a way that unions, environmentalists, and other stakeholders do not. Warren’s proposal to “ensure that there are more representatives from labor, environmental, and consumer groups than from corporations and trade groups on every existing advisory committee” is interesting, particularly for empowering consumers. Her point about not pushing for even more stringent intellectual property rights is a solid one.

So, if she stuck with that, and was willing to moderate her requirements for trading partners and offer better incentives for them to get preferred trading status, then maybe we would have something workable.  I always assume that whatever rough edges that candidates present during the race will be somewhat sanded down by the reality of holding office and having to learn "the art of the possible."  Since Warren and the other candidates with Senate seats already collided with reality in that chamber, I figure they know the "aspirational" parts of their platforms will be whittled down over time.

It’s smart to open negotiations with a hard line position clearly connected to clear principles in one hand and a batna in the other.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/donald-trump-skips-g7-talks-on-climate-crisis-and-amazon-fires

Racist gasbag felt his bone spurs flaring up.

Cowardice Uber Alles.

[barton]

Luee, I don't disagree with poking some holes in Warren's trade plan proposal.  My link, for those who read it, was about her farm/agribiz policy which is somewhat better crafted.  The WaPo columnist does acknowledge some positives in her trade proposal, btw....

If I was inclined to bend over backwards to be fair, Warren’s theory of trade policy is consistent with her larger theory of corporate power playing too large a role in public policy. And she has a leg to stand on here with trade policy. Corporate interests have privileged access to trade negotiations in a way that unions, environmentalists, and other stakeholders do not. Warren’s proposal to “ensure that there are more representatives from labor, environmental, and consumer groups than from corporations and trade groups on every existing advisory committee” is interesting, particularly for empowering consumers. Her point about not pushing for even more stringent intellectual property rights is a solid one.

So, if she stuck with that, and was willing to moderate her requirements for trading partners and offer better incentives for them to get preferred trading status, then maybe we would have something workable.  I always assume that whatever rough edges that candidates present during the race will be somewhat sanded down by the reality of holding office and having to learn "the art of the possible."  Since Warren and the other candidates with Senate seats already collided with reality in that chamber, I figure they know the "aspirational" parts of their platforms will be whittled down over time.

It’s smart to open negotiations with a hard line position clearly connected to clear principles in one hand and a batna in the other.

Indeed.  Warren seems like someone who always has a BATNA.  If she doesn't, she ain't presidential material.  Senators usually keep a BATNA handy, unless they are extremist partisans like Moscow Mitch.  It's the amateurs you have to watch out for, as the  last 2.5 years have demonstrated - only idiots think entrenching further is productive. 

[barton]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/donald-trump-skips-g7-talks-on-climate-crisis-and-amazon-fires

Racist gasbag felt his bone spurs flaring up.

Cowardice Uber Alles.

From the article....

The French president, Emmanuel Macron, confirmed Trump had not personally attended the climate session but that Trump’s team had been present.

He said he had held long and in-depth talks with Trump on the Amazon fires and that the US president “shares our objectives” and was “fully engaged” in the joint G7 effort to help Brazil put out the fires and reforest.

Macron had placed the climate emergency and protection of biodiversity at the heart of the summit, even before the Amazon rainforest fires.

But just before the session began on Saturday, it appeared that Trump’s entourage felt discussing climate was of little importance, compared with the economy. Reports in the US said senior Trump aides felt Macron was seeking to embarrass his US counterpart by making the summit focus on “niche issues” such as climate change or gender equality.

Trump should be embarrassed that he and his minions believe those are "niche" issues.  If the Amazon is converted into a savannah, it's going to take trillions of dollars to get our present oxygen level back.  Or maybe only those Himalayan and Andean peoples with the extra red blood cells and larger lungs will still be around and focused on other survival issues.

[kiidcarter8]

Yankguy says protection with some risk is not a good thing.

You've got it backwards, Kids, according to the numbers.

We say "risk, with some protection, is not a good thing."

The deaths from guns in the home are a greater risk than the savings from home invaders.

PUTZ

[kiidcarter8]

---Several of the party’s leading presidential hopefuls have railed against Trump’s trade war, accusing the president of being erratic in confronting China while causing needless economic pain. But they are also arguing for a tougher approach to China than Trump has pursued. It’s a message that may be hard to reconcile with their vows to ease or reverse the damage caused by the widening trade war.---

Well done, Luee

Interesting, you read Luee's paragraph but apparently not Warren's carefully researched and fact-based policy proposal to help the American farmer.   

Too many words and scary-difficult concepts?

heh

I am but one man, sir Barton

- but no - I am not generally looking to have my mind altered by Ms Warren.  She's been dismissed.

[barton]

Macron announced that the G7 had agreed to an immediate fund of at least $20m (£16m) to help Amazon countries fight wildfires and launch a long-term global initiative to protect the rainforest.

This is well-meaning but basically bullshit.  20 million, AYFKM?  Saving the rainforests will cost tens of billions, maybe more.  It involves scaled-up incentives to use the forest for foods and materials and pharma precursors that it naturally and sustainably can produce.  It involves protecting hundreds of tribes of indigenous peoples who live sustainably in those rainforests.  It involves a lot of regular payments to farmers and ranchers to NOT slash and burn off vast tracts of forest.  And rewarding them for positive uses of the forest, like shade-tree varieties of the coffee bean that can be grown under the canopy.  Or controlled harvest of tropical hardwoods that leaves nurse logs and enough standing forest to make it sustainable.  Or even holding virgin tracts in order to collect cap-and-trade income.  Rainforests could be like windfarms - much as you sit back and let the windmills harvest energy from the air, you sit back and let rainforests produce oxygen and absorb excess CO2.

[Yankguy1]

Yankguy says protection with some risk is not a good thing.

You've got it backwards, Kids, according to the numbers.

We say "risk, with some protection, is not a good thing."

The deaths from guns in the home are a greater risk than the savings from home invaders.

PUTZ

? 

[bankshot1]

Clearly Pres Trump is pro-science or pro-science fiction.

As I'm not sure he's knows the difference.

Did this get covered here already?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/26/politics/donald-trump-nuclear-bombs-hurricanes/index.html

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump has floated multiple times the idea of thwarting hurricanes headed for the US by bombing them, including by dropping nuclear bombs on hurricanes to disrupt their course, Axios reported Sunday, citing conversations with sources who heard Trump's comments and were briefed on a National Security Council memo that recorded the comments.

In an early Monday tweet, Trump denied the Axios' report, claiming that he "never said" what was in it. CNN has not been able to independently verify the report.

The source, who paraphrased Trump's remarks to Axios, said that the President said, "They start forming off the coast of Africa, as they're moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane and it disrupts it. Why can't we do that?" Asked by Axios how the briefer responded to the President's suggestion, the source said he "said something to the effect of, 'Sir, we'll look into that.'"

The President then asked how many hurricanes the US may be able to stop and reiterated his suggestions, according to the source, which caused the briefer to be "knocked back on his heels."

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so mind-boggling insane.

What could possibly go wrong?

[Yankguy1]

Trump is Trump.  At least no poster here is silly enough to think of nuclear weapons as a toy.....

Wait.....

[luee]

---Several of the party’s leading presidential hopefuls have railed against Trump’s trade war, accusing the president of being erratic in confronting China while causing needless economic pain. But they are also arguing for a tougher approach to China than Trump has pursued. It’s a message that may be hard to reconcile with their vows to ease or reverse the damage caused by the widening trade war.---

Well done, Luee

Interesting, you read Luee's paragraph but apparently not Warren's carefully researched and fact-based policy proposal to help the American farmer.   

Too many words and scary-difficult concepts?

Experts disagree, sounds very liberal elitist.

---Elizabeth Warren’s trade plan is bad politics and worse policy---

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/07/30/elizabeth-warrens-trade-plan-is-bad-politics-worse-policy/

Especially if you are making up your own definition for “liberal” and “elitist”, or if you simply have no clue what those words mean.

Pretty well known and much used contemporary phrase.

---Liberal elite (also metropolitan elite[1][2] or Islington set in the United Kingdom) is a stereotype of politically left of centre people whose education had traditionally opened the doors to affluence and power and form a managerial elite. It is commonly invoked pejoratively, with the implication that the people who claim to support the rights of the working class are themselves members of the ruling classes and are therefore out of touch with the real needs of the people they claim to support---Wiki

[Hairy Lime]

Yankguy says protection with some risk is not a good thing.

You've got it backwards, Kids, according to the numbers.

We say "risk, with some protection, is not a good thing."

The deaths from guns in the home are a greater risk than the savings from home invaders.

PUTZ

?

That is as close to a well reasoned, fact based rebuttal as kid gets.

[kiidcarter8]

Re:  Trump/Macron coverage

"But just before the session began, it APPEARED THAT...."

APPEARED that is the troubling phrase.

Guessing at things can lead to problems down the road, members of the press.

[kiidcarter8]

Man lives through his best friend's wife and 2 daughters  being brutally raped, then burned alive in their own house

2 months later the man gets a gun for protection in HIS home for him and his loved ones.

Josh says, "you're an idiot - that gun will get you family members hurt or killed"

PUTZ.