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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[kidcarter8]

I dont use the term WINNER until he at least gets to a Finals.

[carlos123]

I dont use the term WINNER until he at least gets to a Finals.

Chamaco likes to go to war both with BoZ and with Chip.

But when their positions differ, he goes against Chip.

I'm sure both of them feel honored by all of the attention, just like Chamaco feels honored by my attention. Yes?

[bodiddley]

Even Clyde has noted Randle looking awfully tired late in 4Q's.  Including the one game where he appeared to be holding his thigh (Clyde thought a bent over Randle was holding his knee).  Randle is 1st in minutes played; RJB 3rd.

A Little Thibs History:
Rose averaged 37 mpg his first 3 seasons (twice under Vinny the Black; and then during an MVP 3rd season under Thibs), then midway through his 4th season, Rose's ACL gave out.  Missed essentially 2.5 seasons.  Never the same, never played nearly as many minutes, most seasons missing a couple dozen games, etc.
Bulls went from losing in the conference finals with Rose to losing in the 1st round after he became encrippled.  The Rose injury ended the Bulls as any kind of contender.

Deng averaged 39 mpg his first 3 seasons under Thibs, leading the league twice.
A serious wrist injury the 2nd year caused his to miss 28 games.

Thibs first season in Minny, he had Towns, Wiggins and Zach La Vine all playing 37 mpg.  Wiggins and Towns finished 1st & 2nd in minutes played that year, Zach LV would have joined them in the Top 3 but his ACL gave out in Game 47 ...

RJB and Randle are both in good shape.  But could break down.  Players often don't pay attention to overwork or muscle/joint fatigue issues.  Nobody wants to come out of a game.  But injury risk, concentration and efficiency are improved when players are more rested and playing closer to 30 than 40 mins per.  Which is why nobody plays close to 40 mins per.  Hopefully Randle and RJB remain healthy, but both have an elevated risk of injury due to overwork and on-court fatigue. 
At least RJB's minutes have come down lately.

Otherwise, here's an amendment:
Thibs doesn't play rooks/yute who can't defend adequately.  Unfortunately that covers a large % of young guys/rooks, who have to learn how to defend at an NBA level.  So ObiT and Knox are untrusted.  Franc too limited on O. 

RJB gets it and is treated as an honorary vet (big minutes).  Quickly has NBA scoring ability that the team needs and is active on D, but is kept on a bit of a short leash.  Heavy reliance on vets improves the short term outlook but at the expense of long term development (see Obit, Knox).

[bodiddley]

Since 2010-11, no player has averaged 40 or more minutes per game.
Butler on Thibs Minny team was closest at 38.7 mpg.

During the first decade of the 21st C, a few players a year would hit 40 mpg, including 10 in 2001 & 2003.

NBA Trivia:
Who were the last 5 players to average over 40 minutes per game for a season?

One player had 12 straight seasons of 40+ mins, and if it weren't for just 39 mpg in Y2, he would have had 14 straight 40 min seasons.  His efficiency numbers were quite low.

[Yankguy1]

Have to figure the "40 minutes low-efficiency" guy was Iverson and two other 40 minute guys were Jordan and LeBron.  That's a stat for freakish athletes.

[bankshot1]

I don't know if he was one of the last 5, but like most of these questions, Wilt is usually a good guess. As it regards to minutes, he rarely sat, and when he did, (infamously in the '69 Finals) it did not have a happy ending for him.

[Kam]

Starbury was a 40 minute man with NYK

[Kam]

There have been 4 players to score 1500 points, grab 500 rebounds, and hand out 250 assists in their first 100 starts before their 21st birthday.

LeBron
Carmelo
Luka

Name the 4th?

[kidcarter8]

ACL tear is not an overuse injury.

Risk factors
There are a number of factors that increase your risk of an ACL injury, including:

Being female — possibly due to differences in anatomy, muscle strength and hormonal influences
Participating in certain sports, such as soccer, football, basketball, gymnastics and downhill skiing
Poor conditioning
Using faulty movement patterns, such as moving the knees inward during a squat
Wearing footwear that doesn't fit properly
Using poorly maintained sports equipment, such as ski bindings that aren't adjusted properly
Playing on artificial turf

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/acl-injury/symptoms-causes/syc-20350738

[kidcarter8]

There have been 4 players to score 1500 points, grab 500 rebounds, and hand out 250 assists in their first 100 starts before their 21st birthday.

LeBron
Carmelo
Luka

Name the 4th?

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[chipstern]

Wilt

Averaged [AVERAGED] 45.8 for his career.

Impressed yet? 

There's MORE. 

His 1961-62 season for the Philadelphia Warriors, was Wilt's most PRODIGIOUS Statistacally, including his peak FT% of .613 [835-1363 for fuck's sake]

50.4 ppg
25.7 rebounds
2.4 assists

...for a Warrior team that took the Celtics to SEVEN GAMES in the EC Finals. 

Impressed. 

Well, sit on my face and call me Grace...here is the topper...

USEAGE? 

Wilt averaged 48.5 minutes per game for 80 games. 

Which means, HE NEVER LEFT THE COURT, including overtime. 

But MJ is the GOAT. 

PuhLEEESE. 

PS: Wilt ONLY has two rings?  KMA.  Wilt regularly ran into the Celtics in the ECF, often taking them to seven games, overcoming them on the 1966-67 76ers in five games.  Wilt wasn't the only GOAT to reun into the Celtic buzz saw.  Oscar, Jerry, Elgin...

[chipstern]

Looking at Wilt's final season, after winning the NBA championship vs our Knicks the year before. 

Checking out USEAGE for the Knicks in their subsequent return engagement in which they beat the Lakers 4-1. 

Game ONE: Frazier and DeB, 44 minutes each.  Wilt then 36?  48 minutes.

Game TWO: Frazier 48, Bradley 42.  Wilt?  48

Game THREE:  Walt 45, Pearl 42.  Wilt 48

Game FOUR:  Walt 45, DeB 44, Wilt 48

Game FIVE: Walt 48, Bradley 43, Wilt 48

[kidcarter8]

Wilt was great

Wilt played against slow guys and midgets

[bodiddley]

Have to figure the "40 minutes low-efficiency" guy was Iverson and two other 40 minute guys were Jordan and LeBron.  That's a stat for freakish athletes.

Iverson played 40+ mins 13 of his first 14 seasons, and 39 mins in his 2nd season. 
Averaged 41.4 mins in PHI (12 years) and 42.0 in his 3 Den years.
But for PHI he shot 42% overall and just 31% from 3.

Right on LeBJ too.  Basically played 40 min a night his first 5 years (rook year just 39.5 mins).
Looks like he averaged over 40 mpg his first stint in Cleverland (7 years).

Monta Ellis was the last to average over 40 mpg, leading the league in B2B seasons.
Those were Curry's first two seasons; Monta got traded middle of next year.

Gerald Crash Wallace
Joe Johnson
Gilbert Arenas

JoeJohnson used to be out there all the time, with both units, much like LeBron.

Glancing at the 90's:
Chris Mullin led the league in mins in B2B years (both over 40+)
Sprewell 43 mins one season in GSW.
Anthony Mason the leader in B2B yeras.
Michael Finley 3 times led the league (always liked his game).
Vin Baker once.

[bankshot1]

Wilt was fucking huge.

I'm pretty sure I've told you guys my brush with greatness re Wilt in April '67.

Re '73 I'm still irked that the Celts (4-3 losers to the Knicks in the ECF) didn't play Wilt in the '73 Finals and send him into retirement.

Havlicek ran into another 2 big slow guys, a fucking politician from Princeton ran him into a pitcher for the Chicago White Sox who set a mean pick, and dislocated his shoulder in G3 of that series. One arm Johnny (who usually played 40+ minutes) missed a game and missed minutes in G-5-6-7, but played left-hand, but...

Beating Wilt in the Finals again would have been fitting with his career arc.