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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3315 on: January 03, 2019, 11:46:16 AM »

I think you nailed it, Bo.

I liked the plays he had at the wide elbow against Denver. It led to some short Js, which he canned, and some curl feeds to shooters. It kept the offense more fluid than it usually is when he’s in. If that stays in the game plan, he can be a decent backup C for us for the duration of this season.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3316 on: January 03, 2019, 02:05:06 PM »

a Hardaway-Mudiay backcourt puts a sieve in front of Kanter, Kornet, Robinson or anyone else, regardless of those centers much discussed defensive merits or demerits — completely implausible as starting two on a future +.500 team, so really, what's the plan and the point? Just asking.

Knicks Film School:

Two starting lineups, two different results in terms of net rating:

Kanter + Vonleh/Knox/THJ/Mudiay
▪️ORtg: 100.2
▪️DRtg: 118.4
▪️Net: -18.2

Kornet + Vonleh/Knox/THJ/Mudiay
▪️ORtg: 125.7
▪️DRtg: 102.8
▪️Net: +22.9


Interesting.

Is this for the season?  How many minutes each?
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3317 on: January 03, 2019, 05:56:20 PM »

Well, it involves Knox, so it's this season.
82games.com used to be really good for the lineup stats, but last I checked they didn't have anything up for this season.  Not sure if they've ceased to operate or what's happened to that site.

I thought the most interesting lineup NYK has featured was Tim surrounded by defenders.
Franc - Tim - Vonleh - Mitch
(and was it Mario at SF?  or Knox/Lance).
Had Tim doing more playmaking.  Though I think that was when Von Leh was nailing 3's at a high rate.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3318 on: January 03, 2019, 06:26:15 PM »

Knicks forward Kevin Knox has been named Eastern Conference Rookie of the Month for December.


Ian Begley believes KZ will be shut down for the whole year.
(I still think he'll play 12-20 games, limited minutes at first, to get rust off, confidence back, see who plays well with KZ, and to help attract FA's.  Don't Knix want to get a sense of KZ and Mitch together?  KZ and Knox?  KZ & von Leh?  See how this version of MUd & Franc play with KZ, etc)


Kant is 60th of 61 C's in defensive +/-


Knix with just 9 W's at nearly the halfway point, with a brutal next 8 games. 
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« Reply #3319 on: January 03, 2019, 06:51:00 PM »

I don't see anybody here idealizing Kanter as this awesome force.

I only see somebody here obsessing over Kanter's defensive deficiencies as if he were the root cause of why we are the 3rd worst team in the league.


Well... isn't he?

Kanter + Hardaway is a recipe for our record.
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Re: Oop Dunk Shot
« Reply #3320 on: January 03, 2019, 06:52:58 PM »



UTA - Gobert Alley Oop Dunk Shot: Made (2 PTS)
UTA - Gobert Dunk Shot: Made (4 PTS)
UTA - Favors Alley Oop Layup shot: Made (2 PTS)
UTA - Exum Driving Layup Shot: Made (2 PTS)
UTA - Gobert Dunk Shot: Made (6 PTS)
UTA - Favors Alley Oop Dunk Shot: Made (4 PTS)
UTA - Gobert Alley Oop Dunk Shot: Made (9 PTS)
UTA - Gobert Putback Layup Shot: Made (11 PTS)
UTA - Gobert Alley Oop Layup shot: Made (13 PTS)
NYK - Kornet Substitution replaced by Kanter

I'm sure Enes' presence in the arena made that happen.

Enes wouldn't have provided any resistance against the high flying Gobert.  None. 
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« Reply #3321 on: January 03, 2019, 07:00:12 PM »

Enes or Tyson Chandler?

Enes or Splash Mountain*?

Enes or Kyle O'Quinn?

I could go on.  But why bother. Bo already told you Enes is 60th out of 61 centers.

* (Brook Lopez)


When he is gone we won't miss the guy. 
Sensitive tough anti-edrogan enforcer that he is (none of which has squat to do with basketball)
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3322 on: January 03, 2019, 07:12:00 PM »

The only reason i post about Kanter is there are some here who actually want him back next year.  Or can't even entertain the idea of trading his contract.
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« Reply #3323 on: January 03, 2019, 07:26:43 PM »


Enes wouldn't have provided any resistance against the high flying Gobert.  None.

Kanter started the last time we played Utah.
We beat them.
Kanter had the game high +/- at +19.

He also started the previous game against Utah.
And we beat them as well.

I have never in my entire Knick fandom seen the lane as undefended as it was at the beginning of the last Utah game. Never.

Honestly, you are so stupid you make my brain hurt. But I'm done. Press on. Post 1000 more times about how bad he is, lol.

If you're right, and he personally delivers us Zion, well, god bless.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3324 on: January 03, 2019, 08:19:12 PM »

No such stat as defensive +/-
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« Reply #3325 on: January 03, 2019, 08:22:55 PM »


Knicks Film School:

Two starting lineups, two different results in terms of net rating:

Kanter + Vonleh/Knox/THJ/Mudiay
▪️ORtg: 100.2
▪️DRtg: 118.4
▪️Net: -18.2

Kornet + Vonleh/Knox/THJ/Mudiay
▪️ORtg: 125.7
▪️DRtg: 102.8
▪️Net: +22.9





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Now, Kam, What the hell is an anti-erdogan ENFORCER?

Are you an Erdogan fan? Is that why you dislike Enes so much?
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3326 on: January 03, 2019, 08:24:38 PM »

The only reason i post about Kanter is there are some here who actually want him back next year.  Or can't even entertain the idea of trading his contract.

Even if it brings back Bradley Beal, apparently.
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« Reply #3327 on: January 03, 2019, 08:35:52 PM »

O-boards are valuable, rebounds are good, scoring at a 55% clip is good.  Kant could post up more especially v. 2nd unit C's. 

It's simple: Kant fills a void this year.  This Summer we are unlikely to bring him back unless it's at a reduced rate and he's willing to accept a reduced role.

So we, and more to the point he, will wait to see what the market is for his services.  It's all not an issue right now.  Kant is basically our default starting C.  Unless you think Kornet is going to start the rest of the year.   Maybe carve out a genuine 2nd unit with a strong Kanter role so he can see how he'd be used next year.  Craw cried about a bench role as a Knick and it went on to define his career.

Yeah, it'd be better if Kant sucked it up and didn't complain.  Especially since almost every Knick but Tim has been in and out of the starting lineup, and most get a 2nd chance and have made the best of it.  Which is why I very much expect Framc to get another starting run, expecially after KZ is back.  This is a development/evaluation year.

Kant is a rather odd minor element to fixate on ....

I don't think anyone is giving Kanter more than the MLE. The catch is: He can a top-3 back-up pivot during the season (Valunciunas being the best) but he absolutely cannot be relied upon during the playoffs because opponents will PNR him to death. "Can't Play Kanter". If Valunciunas can't be played against some teams, as Toronto knows all too well, Kanter won't have better luck.

How much do you pay a guy who can help you win regular season games by destroying second units and providing spot starts but not be of much help in playoff games? If you're lottery-bound, the MLE makes sense - he's a walking double double, he'll go for 20 once or twice a week if given regularly 25mpg. If you have designs of making noise in the playoffs, then it depends if you have three other reliable bigs. If so, then the $6m Bo says is sensible. It might be less.

For the Knicks, it's a pretty simple decision. KP and Mitch should take all 48 minutes at the 5 spot in competitive games. Maybe there's five minutes at most left over some games for when the Knicks go with a twin towers lineup (which is what KP at the 4 represents in today's NBA - a gimmick, to be used infrequently). And if the Knicks keep Vonleh - which I hope they do - then there really isn't a single minute left for Kanter barring injury. And if the Knicks draft Zion...well, you get the picture.

So he's gone this summer. You can book it. I, for one, am going to enjoy watching his great hands and footwork and nose for the ball when he's on the court for the rest of the season, cringing along with the rest of you when he sets those soft picks which he bails on before contact is made (because he wants to roll to the basket), or when he doubles prematurely and then looks lost trying to find his man when he abandons the double, or when he shows up a second too late and with his hands by his side when a guard drives to the basket. Mostly I wish him well and I'll cheer on any enemy of Erdogan.

(ps If the Knicks trade Mitch as part of an unlikely deal for a superstar, then maybe Kanter comes back as the back-up 5. But only if Mitch is gone, because the team needs to built around KP)
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3328 on: January 03, 2019, 08:58:17 PM »

The kind of player we often miss on when picking so high:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/shamorie-ponds-1.html
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« Reply #3329 on: January 03, 2019, 09:01:03 PM »

You’re all assuming KP is going to return the same player he was.

I hope you’re right, I mean, his injury was pretty serious.
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