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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[carlos123]

i'm not mad at KP.  he will be happier in Dallas with Doncic.

one hell on a 1-2.

summer will tell if NY will hold any interest for me.

Nobody gives a fuck if you are interested

Chico, nobody gives a fuck about your many opinions, this one in particular.

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carlos spare me.  ignore is there for a reason.  thanks in advance.

You’re welcome.

Also, I enjoy messing around with Chico. He’s so dumb he’s kinda funny sometimes, especially when he shows his maliciousness.

[FWK00]

AD has said he is playing one year then going to LA. Knicks could have tried to get him, with those parameters.  As Celtics now can.

Can Celtics take AD for 2020 then do a sign and trade,netting assets from Lakers?

Well, what's so special about the Celtics?  Any team could play that game. Correct?  The real question is, what could you get from a Lakers team that will have an aging, evermore desperate Lebron trying to fix the odds?  Most of their players who aren't geriatric are rather pedestrian talent-wise.  Boston, today has better players.

More picks? AD ain't coming for free. Is there a net gain?

Sounds dubious.

If Boston or NY trades for AD - they plan on locking him up not risking one and done.

NY is a nice fit.

Davis isnt signing an extension with anyone except LA.

Thus the question - would Boston take him for a year?

Yes. Yes.  Now that you mention it Boston *has* built its pedigree on trading for opportunism when it presents itself and then allowing itself to be bent over a table when the asset decides to bid adieu.

Sure, Boston will do that.

When did you become AD's manager that you're so sure he wouldn't sign with NY?

[thebizneverloses]

AD has said he is playing one year then going to LA. Knicks could have tried to get him, with those parameters.  As Celtics now can.

Can Celtics take AD for 2020 then do a sign and trade,netting assets from Lakers?

Well, what's so special about the Celtics?  Any team could play that game. Correct?  The real question is, what could you get from a Lakers team that will have an aging, evermore desperate Lebron trying to fix the odds?  Most of their players who aren't geriatric are rather pedestrian talent-wise.  Boston, today has better players.

More picks? AD ain't coming for free. Is there a net gain?

Sounds dubious.

If Boston or NY trades for AD - they plan on locking him up not risking one and done.

NY is a nice fit.

Welcome back Fwk, hope you're healthy and happy.

Good point that any team can do this, not just the Celtics, but it presumes the Lakers don't roll over cap space and simply sign AD outright, which is what they probably would do.

[thebizneverloses]

Even if KZ wanted out, that doesn't absolve PerryMills.
The other issue is why did KZ want out?
Why wouldn't he want to play in NYC?
The roster/team/management turnover and disarray certainly didn't help. 

I think this is a pretty fundamental question, and what bothers me the most.

[thebizneverloses]

D Smith Jr hits his only shot then sits with 2 fouls.  Isnt there something in terms of coaching that Fiz can impart to these young guys to stay on the freaking court? Frank, Mitch.......now the Young Dennis after his first Fiz pregame..........

Fouling SUCKS!  We sure have enough coaches - maybe they can start having an impact.  Is it just Fiz's scrambling D he likes so much?  Possibly.

Of all the complaints about Fiz, this is the most absurd. Fiz is to blame because after a whole 48 hours as a Knick DSJ still hasn't learned how to stop fouling?

[thebizneverloses]

As of today, in 100 alternate universes, the Knicks end up with the 1st pick and Zion 14 times. They end up with the 2nd pick (and presumably RJ?) 13 times, the third pick 13 times, the fourth pick 12 times. These odds are the same so long as the Knicks stay in the bottom three teams.

I think if the Knicks get Zion, they get at least one all-NBA guy in free agency, let's say 13 out of 14 times. The hype will be too great.

If they get RJ, I'd say we're still looking at 8-10 out of 13 times; perhaps some of those are factoring in the pick being traded for Anthony Davis. If the Celtics don't put Jayson Tatum on the table, RJ Barrett might appeal more than Jaylen Brown or Brandon Ingram.

If they get someone else 3rd or even 4th, I think we're still looking at something like something like 6-12 out of 25 times. And if we pick just a bit lower, we're still not out of the game.

All that to say that between now and early July is a long time, and it's hard to have a definitive view that the Knicks have erred until, at the earliest, we see how free agency shakes out. I think it's best to withhold becoming too committed to any judgments.

I think with the #1 slot (worst record) the lowest we can drop is #4

With the 2 - to 5

3 to 6

etc

You're thinking of the old lotto rules. The new ones are as I posted. Worst team, right now the Knicks, has a 48% chance of picking fifth and a 52% chance of finishing in the top four (14/13/13/12 odds).

[Kam]

I wonder if the Knicks Brass makes this deal without some faith that Kevin Knox would take over this team from KP eventually anyway.

We have reset the team's window from the 23 year old porsingis' timeline  ($150 come due)
Having to look up at Embiid the next 10 years and his dirty tactics vs our fragile chandelier

To the 20 year old (is he 20 yet) Knox's timeline (rookie wage scale)

+ Mitch and Trier (as 6th man)

+ Frank and Datsun  (if they're not traded)

+ 7 #1 picks in the next 5 drafts

In moving our window out we are setting ourselves to ascend far after the GS dynasty is done
Even after the also-rans have decided to self-immolate:  Houston and others

[Kam]

Knicks FO didn't wanna give him a max deal and then watch Greek Freak and Embiid spend the next decade dunking on a hobbled unicorn

[Kam]

Rodney Hood for Nik Stauskas, Wade Baldwin, and picks

[Kam]

Knicks record when Kevin Knox starts o.0

[Kam]

First, coach Rick Carlisle said on KESN-FM (103.3) that Porzingis' return from his ACL tear last February will be "later than sooner." Then owner Mark Cuban told The News that Porzingis will not play this season because "we want to make sure we are very conservative."

[Kam]

The Knicks have heard from at least one team interested in trading for veteran Wes Matthews, league sources told ESPN. If the Knicks don’t trade Matthews, he’d be a candidate for a buyout. His contract expires after this season.

Sixers
Blazers
Raptors

?

[Kam]

If we don't land a Top 3 pick and strike out on the Upper Level FAs...

Re-sign DeAndre Jordan
Re-sign Noah Vonleh
Kevin Knox
Frank Ntilikina
Dennis Smith Jr.

Trier
Mudiay
Dotson
Kornet
Robinson

The first rounder
The second rounder

[bodiddley]

If we don't land a Top 3 pick and strike out on the Upper Level FAs...

Re-sign DeAndre Jordan
Re-sign Noah Vonleh
Kevin Knox
Frank Ntilikina
Dennis Smith Jr.

Trier
Mudiay
Dotson
Kornet
Robinson

The first rounder
The second rounder

One, that's an awful team.  Maybe another sub-20W season.  With Smith Jr or Knox perhaps the #1 option.  Maybe Trier leading us in scoring.  2nd, the minimum salary is pretty high.  Knix likely would need to sign one or two vets to high-priced one year deals.  Like DeAndretheGiant for 1/$20M or whatever.  Maybe we'd have so much cap space we could offer Butler or AD or Kawhi a 1/$40M deal.  Why they'd want to come is hard to fathom.  Not sure my made up #'s align with reality.  But we would have to top up significantly to meet the NBA spending floor.

Maybe the Knix made the trade early so they could flip Wes or DeAtheG to a playoff team.  POR could use Wes more than Robin Hood.  But likely can only get a 2nd rounder for Wes.  And a team would have to have a good deal of expiring $ to send back.

[bodiddley]

Nets should be in the running for a significant FA.
Only $40M committed next season.
They'll re-sign T'angelo.

Tangelo-Dinwiddie-Lavert backcourt.
Joe Harris-Crabbe wing shooters.
RHJ is a good middle cog, but needs to get paid some.
Kurucs a cheap swiss army knife F.
Jarrett Allen down Low.
I'd bring Ed Davis back on a similar $5M deal.
That's 9.

Maybe re-sign DMC if he comes cheap $5M-ish.
Napier is PG insurance at a mere $1.8M team option.

I'm not a Cousin Boogie fan at all.  But maybe he's just what BKY needs.  Actually AD would fit perfectly on this Net team. 
They've got a defensive C so he can play his preferred PF.
They've got shooters and scorers, so AD won't be tasked with carrying a huge load.  Can score efficiently and play defense.  Lotta guys to take a last shot (LaVert; Tangelo; Dimwit) so that AD weakness can be covered up.  Though he'd be a great decoy and/or 2nd/3rd option.

Take this Nets team and add AD and they could be Top 3 East.
Somebody needs to pitch him on this.

Tangelo - Dimwiddie
LaVert - Joe Harris
RHJ - Kurucs
AD - Ed D
Jarrett Allen

Slot in Boogie and it's interesting too.

gad, Nets still paying Deron this year and next ...