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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[kiidcarter8]

Kid, Fac- updated scores sent

Games played about to become important.

[bodiddley]

I think the Knix knew that Knox was a bit of a project.  That's how he was talked about around draft time.  Young, with lots of potential, but will take time to develop.  We were a development team when we drafted Ft. Knox.

As for his defense.  I tend to give rooks a pass.  Few rooks defend well.  I remember a 19 year old LeBron being very chumpy on D (heh -- I managed to top Kam!).
The two players with worse Defensive Real +/- than Knox last year?  513 Collin Sexton and 514 Trae Young.  Bagley was 492
In the Bottom 10:
505 Lou Williams; 506 Dinwiddie; 510 Crawford -- useful players as they offend at high level.

Mud was 495 of 514.  Not a helluva lot better than Knox.
Devin Book 496; Trier at 490.

Last year, Mud was 517 of 521
(his last year in DEN, every single Nug was better with Mud off the court)
Trey Burke 513th.
Rooks: Malik Monk was 519.  Fox was 509.  This year Fox was 183/514 -- 18th among PG's and in positive territory.  Monk was still bad but slightly better in Y2.

Not saying I'm fine with Crawful level defense from Knox.
But high draft picks turning in abysmal defense in Y1 is fairly common.  I'd like to see improvement next year, and decent defense by 3rd/4th year.  More stable lineups and a more talented teammates would certainly help Knox on D.

[kiidcarter8]

Some of you must really love Hardaway.

After all you saw us as a solid team for '19-'20 simply with KP and a top 3 pick

Now that we dont have KP and Hardaway but will add Durant and another top name, you call it a tough go......

heh

Seriously - explain it - you were positive then as long as we were tanking for the pick - but negative now.  Maybe there IS some concern about the puppies.

[kiidcarter8]

By the way - I say NEGATIVE on dealing Smith Jr.  Just dont see a scenario where we would do this.

[bodiddley]

"....as 30-something Durant..."

Clear you think he is another Marbury or Carmelo
That's real funny.

On the Knix, yup.

And I am somewhat negative on the Quick Fix, because I don't think it will yield much.  The Melo years, Pt. II.  But without KZ, it's hard to see what else to hope for, except the 14% Solution (Zion).

[bodiddley]

Some of you must really love Hardaway.
After all you saw us as a solid team for '19-'20 simply with KP and a top 3 pick

I thought Hardaway was part of the problem.  Glad he's gone again.

Not sure how solid we'd be in '19/'20.  I thought we'd be a fun team with lots of young pups to watch incubate.  KZ likely an all-star stud.  Knox developing.  Mitch promising.  Top 5 draft pick. 
Likely we'd be in that somewhat unsightly scrum for 6-8 seed and trying to keep our heads above .500.  I would have gladly taken the Nets season this year for the Knix next year.

We'd have a genuine plan, with a pathway forward, and lots of young players to get behind.  I thought it would take a few years (3 to 5) to contend.  But you can afford to wait when your franchise player is 22 and your last three high picks (including this Summer's) are 20 and under.

I seem to be the only one who thinks trading KZ was a complete disaster that will haunt us for a decade or more, and that we will whiff in FA, mostly because our talent isn't that good and too young.

[kiidcarter8]

It may have been a disaster that we didnt deal him on draft day 2019.

But lets make that determination when we see what we actually get from the deal moving forward.

[facilitatorn]

Kid, Fac- updated scores sent

Thanks biz.

[kiidcarter8]

Kid, Fac- updated scores sent

Games played about to become important.

Pretty sure Butler and Russell totals are incorrect

[kiidcarter8]

Just saw the Nuggets stats
  Ouch.

[kiidcarter8]

Kid, Fac- updated scores sent

Games played about to become important.

Pretty sure Butler and Russell totals are incorrect

Never mind.

[bodiddley]

Best series so far seems to be POR-OKC.
Just seems to have a playoff intensity and chippiness to it largely lacking elsewhere.

But I haven't seen that much playoff action really.

SAS- DEN is pretty good.

[kiidcarter8]

Lets see if anyone (Denver, Nets, OKC) can get to 2-2

Not ruling Utah dead yet as they havent played at home yet

Indiana should get their game - and lose in 5.  Celts might be better off - treat the home fans - and limit their layoff time.

[thebizneverloses]

By the way - I say NEGATIVE on dealing Smith Jr.  Just dont see a scenario where we would do this.

If we sign Kemba or Kyrie?

[kiidcarter8]

yes - even then


not dealing this cat just to clear money