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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[LarryBnDC]

GOP fought Ocare for a decade just like they keep trying to  undermine SocSec and Medicare


Stoppp...

Where’s the lie?

[josh]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bipartisan-group-of-21-senators-agree-to-infrastructure-deal-with-580-in-new-spending


Yep

Reasonable, manageable numbers.

If only we didn't need 4 times that much in infrastructure.

Nah....

Money just sits there

In time - further allotment, surely.  Socail programs are NOT infrastructure, AOC-lite.

No, money doesn't just "sit there."

I'm not arguing that we should spend $2.5 trillion on infrastructure in FY2021-22, Kid.

I'm arguing that we need a plan that includes the spending over the next 5 or even 10 years.

Water systems need roughly $750 billion by themselves.

The electric grid was projected to cost $5 trillion to update in 2017. That number is up to $7 trillion now.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-7-Trillion-Cost-Of-Upgrading-The-US-Power-Grid.html

Bridges are comparatively cheap:
https://artbabridgereport.org/

But the costs of not doing them are very steep!

The rest of the highways need work, too.

And nothing about this year's process should give anybody confidence that further allotment will be possible with McConnell playing roadblock and Manchin playing footsie with him.

Nor does the prior administration give us reason to think things would be better with more GOP control. They couldn't even begin to work on the infrastructure when they controlled Congress and the White House!

[kidcarter8]

Putin said, “On the question of who is murdering whom, people rioted and went into the Congress in the U.S. with political demands, and many people were declared as criminals and they are threatened with imprisonment for 20 to 25 years. These people were immediately arrested after those events. On what grounds we don’t know always. … Others were just shot on the spot and unarmed as well.”



Putin dominant

Joe tired

https://www.poynter.org/newsletters/2021/at-the-biden-putin-summit-journalists-got-into-it-with-both-leaders-and-each-other/

[kidcarter8]

Nor does the prior administration give us reason to think things would be better with more GOP control. They couldn't even begin to work on the infrastructure when they controlled Congress and the White House!


Your general understanding and research skills are poor.

[Hamilton Samuels]

The accidental hero.

An unemployed addict with 8 criminal convictions who was unjustly murdered, becomes the new icon for the Woke Era, posed here, sitting on a bench, outside of Newark City Hall.

What is this idealized George Floyd is thinking about on that bench? Justice? Police reform? His family? Counterfeiting? Where to score some  fentanyl and methamphetamine?

Old heroes can still be found in the Wars of America statue in Newark's Military Park erected in 1926, from the same sculptor who gave us Mount Rushmore.

He was a human being whose murder galvanized the entire western world.

If he had been Ward Cleaver HE WOULDNT HAVE BEEN MURDERED IN SUCH FASHION.

 Chauvin INTENTIONALLY murdered the guy on camera and just knew he would suffer no repercussion.

He didn’t have to be a saint to be a symbol of the danger black people feel every day from the people OUR TAX DOLLARS pay to protect and serve  our communities.

Yes. Like I said, "unjustly murdered". An accidental hero.

Such is the world today.

Such is the world yesterday, today and probably tomorrow.

We can’t pick our heroes.

https://ageofrevolutions.com/2018/03/05/crispus-attucks-american-revolutionary-hero/

But that is exactly what's been done, now, and in centuries past.

And then, and now, when someone points out the feet of clay (or needlemarks) on these constructed myths, they are shunned, attacked, put down, etc.

You can't get into a froth and attack George Washington's character for having slaves while excusing MLK, Jr for plagiarism and infidelity.

And you can hold Chauvin's actions as reprehensible and hold him accountable without elevating Floyd to sainthood, too, if you want to be fair and balanced.

But that's not what has happened.

Same as it ever was.

[josh]

California joins Texas in asking citizens to restrict power use.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/17/weather/california-extreme-heat-power-conservation/index.html

The difference?

California gave a 5 hour window on one day.

Texas made the request on Tuesday to start then and run through Friday, after several days of unexpected outages around the state.

Roughly "12,000 megawatts of generation were offline Monday, or enough to power 2.4 million homes on a hot summer day,"

They don't know why so much power was offline.

Of course they do.  Wind energy plunged by two-thirds since late last week.
Best advice for people headed to Texas or California, buy a diesel fuel generator as a backup.

Utter bullshit, Ward.

80% of the offline resources were thermal energy.

You are wrong again. Hey, this would be a good chance for you to practice saying, "Oh, I was wrong about the cause."

From Monday:
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/14/texas-power-grid-conserve-ercot/

The Texas Tribune thanks its sponsors. Become one.


“I don’t have any potential reasons [for the plant outages] that I can share at this time,” said Warren Lasher, ERCOT senior director of systems planning, during a Monday call with media. “It is not consistent with fleet performance that we have seen over the last few summers.”

The number of plants that were forced offline today is “very concerning” Lasher said.

“We operate the grid with the resources that we have available,” he said. “It’s the responsibility of the generators to make sure their plants are available when demand is high.”
...
Of the plants offline, about 9,600 megawatts of power, or nearly 80% of the outages, are from thermal power sources, which in Texas are largely natural-gas-fired power plants. That’s several times what ERCOT usually sees offline for thermal generation maintenance during a summer day. Typically, only about 3,600 megawatts of thermal generation are offline this time of year.

“This is unusual for this early in the summer season,” said Woody Rickerson, ERCOT vice president of grid planning and operations, in a statement. He said the grid operator would conduct an analysis to determine why so many units are offline.

[josh]

Nor does the prior administration give us reason to think things would be better with more GOP control. They couldn't even begin to work on the infrastructure when they controlled Congress and the White House!


Your general understanding and research skills are poor.

Hey, show me the Trump administration's infrastructure bill to fix our water systems, highways, bridges, and electric systems - or even one of those!

The Senate had a bipartisan bill for a quarter of a billion dollars that came out of committee unanimously, but went nowhere and that was the closest a meaningful bill came.

With your superior research skills...

[LarryBnDC]

The accidental hero.

An unemployed addict with 8 criminal convictions who was unjustly murdered, becomes the new icon for the Woke Era, posed here, sitting on a bench, outside of Newark City Hall.

What is this idealized George Floyd is thinking about on that bench? Justice? Police reform? His family? Counterfeiting? Where to score some  fentanyl and methamphetamine?

Old heroes can still be found in the Wars of America statue in Newark's Military Park erected in 1926, from the same sculptor who gave us Mount Rushmore.

He was a human being whose murder galvanized the entire western world.

If he had been Ward Cleaver HE WOULDNT HAVE BEEN MURDERED IN SUCH FASHION.

 Chauvin INTENTIONALLY murdered the guy on camera and just knew he would suffer no repercussion.

He didn’t have to be a saint to be a symbol of the danger black people feel every day from the people OUR TAX DOLLARS pay to protect and serve  our communities.

Yes. Like I said, "unjustly murdered". An accidental hero.

Such is the world today.

Such is the world yesterday, today and probably tomorrow.

We can’t pick our heroes.

https://ageofrevolutions.com/2018/03/05/crispus-attucks-american-revolutionary-hero/

But that is exactly what's been done, now, and in centuries past.

And then, and now, when someone points out the feet of clay (or needlemarks) on these constructed myths, they are shunned, attacked, put down, etc.

You can't get into a froth and attack George Washington's character for having slaves while excusing MLK, Jr for plagiarism and infidelity.

And you can hold Chauvin's actions as reprehensible and hold him accountable without elevating Floyd to sainthood, too, if you want to be fair and balanced.

But that's not what has happened.

Same as it ever was.

You’ve no clue.

Fair and balanced?

Floyd represented a whole segment of society you despise including MLK.

You can really hold adultery balanced on the same scale of participating in chattel slavery?

Yeah. You can.

[REDSTATEWARD]

California joins Texas in asking citizens to restrict power use.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/17/weather/california-extreme-heat-power-conservation/index.html

The difference?

California gave a 5 hour window on one day.

Texas made the request on Tuesday to start then and run through Friday, after several days of unexpected outages around the state.

Roughly "12,000 megawatts of generation were offline Monday, or enough to power 2.4 million homes on a hot summer day,"

They don't know why so much power was offline.

Of course they do.  Wind energy plunged by two-thirds since late last week.
Best advice for people headed to Texas or California, buy a diesel fuel generator as a backup.

Utter bullshit, Ward.

80% of the offline resources were thermal energy.

You are wrong again. Hey, this would be a good chance for you to practice saying, "Oh, I was wrong about the cause."

From Monday:
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/14/texas-power-grid-conserve-ercot/

The Texas Tribune thanks its sponsors. Become one.


“I don’t have any potential reasons [for the plant outages] that I can share at this time,” said Warren Lasher, ERCOT senior director of systems planning, during a Monday call with media. “It is not consistent with fleet performance that we have seen over the last few summers.”

The number of plants that were forced offline today is “very concerning” Lasher said.

“We operate the grid with the resources that we have available,” he said. “It’s the responsibility of the generators to make sure their plants are available when demand is high.”
...
Of the plants offline, about 9,600 megawatts of power, or nearly 80% of the outages, are from thermal power sources, which in Texas are largely natural-gas-fired power plants. That’s several times what ERCOT usually sees offline for thermal generation maintenance during a summer day. Typically, only about 3,600 megawatts of thermal generation are offline this time of year.

“This is unusual for this early in the summer season,” said Woody Rickerson, ERCOT vice president of grid planning and operations, in a statement. He said the grid operator would conduct an analysis to determine why so many units are offline.

I’ll repeat for slow learners like you.


They don't know why so much power was offline.
[/quote]
Of course they do.  Wind energy plunged by two-thirds since late last week.
Best advice for people headed to Texas or California, buy a diesel fuel generator as a backup

[josh]

I’ll repeat for slow learners like you.


They don't know why so much power was offline.

Of course they do.  Wind energy plunged by two-thirds since late last week.
Best advice for people headed to Texas or California, buy a diesel fuel generator as a backup
[/quote]

You can repeat it as much as you would like, Ward, but the facts dispute your biased claim.

It was not wind energy that was the problem. It was at least 80% caused by thermal plants being offline, according to ERCOT.

They don't know why THOSE PLANTS were offline, but shockingly enough thermal plants don't go offline because the wind was reduced.

[LarryBnDC]

Putin said, “On the question of who is murdering whom, people rioted and went into the Congress in the U.S. with political demands, and many people were declared as criminals and they are threatened with imprisonment for 20 to 25 years. These people were immediately arrested after those events. On what grounds we don’t know always. … Others were just shot on the spot and unarmed as well.”



Putin dominant

Joe tired

https://www.poynter.org/newsletters/2021/at-the-biden-putin-summit-journalists-got-into-it-with-both-leaders-and-each-other/

Dominant?

Sucker... falling for the strongman okey doke.

You’d trade Joe for Mussolini in a heartbeat.

Do your brown shirts come back from the cleaners on hangers or bozed?

[LarryBnDC]

Nor does the prior administration give us reason to think things would be better with more GOP control. They couldn't even begin to work on the infrastructure when they controlled Congress and the White House!


Your general understanding and research skills are poor.

Trump Administration, where every week was infrastructure week!

[FlyingVProd]

On the issue of electrical infrastructure...

In Anaheim the electric company is owned by the people of Anaheim, so when the power lines are all put underground over the next 50 years then it will be paid for by the city, but when everyone pays their electric bills then they send the money to the city, so that is how it is paid for. The people of the city of Anaheim reap the rewards of updating the electric system and from putting the power lines underground, because the people of the city own the power company. 

But, the tax payers should not have to pay to upgrade power companies that we not own and that we do not profit from.

The tax payers should not pay to upgrade power grids for PG&E, and Edison, and other power companies, those companies can pay to upgrade their systems themselves and they can pay for it with the money that their customers send to them. Those companies are extremely wealthy, and they can pay to upgrade their systems themselves, the tax payers should not pay to upgrade their systems.

If the tax payers pay for the systems, then the systems should no longer be owned by Edison, and PG&E, etc, but instead should be owned by the people, like in Anaheim. If the people pay for it, then the people should own it.

Also of note, in Anaheim when people pay their electric bills, and when we sell electricity to Disneyland, etc, then some of the money goes into a General Fund to be used by the people of the city however we want, and some of the money goes to help the homeless people, etc.

And the same with the water company, whoever pays for it should own it. Then, they can use the money received from people paying their bills to maintain and upgrade their systems.

I support having safe water, and clean electricity, etc, but I do not support giving money to greedy companies like PG&E and Edison, who do not do anything to help the homeless people nor to help their communities. They are greedy companies that will turn off poor people's electricity if they get behind in their bills. We should not give money to Edison nor to PG&E.

If the people pay for it, then the people should own it, like in Anaheim, and the people reap the benefits instead of some greedy company. 

Salute,

Tony V.

[josh]

https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/CurrentMap/StateDroughtMonitor.aspx?West

The water situation in the West is going to be far worse before it gets better, if it gets better.

And with that, the power situation will suffer because 22% of the West's power is hydroelectric, ordinarily.

[josh]

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/06/critical-race-theory-panic-is-everywhere-just-in-time-for-juneteenth

And that's not a coincidence, explains the article.