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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[josh]

Classic Heinlein quote from Tunnel in the Sky.  A truth we need to always bear in mind when we start to expect too much from politicians.

I inhaled every Heinlein book and I am a fan but in his later years he became blatantly fascist and by the time he rolled out The Number of the Beast I think he had lost his fucking mind.

I think that came at the tail end of his brain tumor, before the operation.

Number of the Beast was bizarre. Stopping in Oz and getting a bathroom for the spaceship there?! OMG.

[Espnthree]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/5/2096182/-As-protests-over-abortion-rights-hit-streets-far-right-extremists-already-see-target-for-violence

Do not forget to join the protest Sunday at the Catholic Church of your choice.

[josh]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/5/2096182/-As-protests-over-abortion-rights-hit-streets-far-right-extremists-already-see-target-for-violence

Don

It's hard to argue with Ward, even for me, when he makes posts so obviously true as "Don."

[Holly Martins]

Classic Heinlein quote from Tunnel in the Sky.  A truth we need to always bear in mind when we start to expect too much from politicians.

I inhaled every Heinlein book and I am a fan but in his later years he became blatantly fascist and by the time he rolled out The Number of the Beast I think he had lost his fucking mind.

I think that came at the tail end of his brain tumor, before the operation.

Number of the Beast was bizarre. Stopping in Oz and getting a bathroom for the spaceship there?! OMG.

Later works may have oddities that can be attributed to his cognitive issues (TIA and a blocked carotid, at one point), but don't explain the reeking mess of misogyny and racism that is Farnham's Freehold, written much earlier.  I was a fan, but there are novels like that which I can say nothing good about, and advise SF fans to steer around, and rather remember his genius moments.  His meanderings between anarchism, libertarianism, Goldwater conservative, and more liberal views, are wildly confusing and I tend to see him as a philosophical seeker who sometimes didn't get out of his white affluent California enclave enough. 

[LarryBnDC]

Classic Heinlein quote from Tunnel in the Sky.  A truth we need to always bear in mind when we start to expect too much from politicians.

I inhaled every Heinlein book and I am a fan but in his later years he became blatantly fascist and by the time he rolled out The Number of the Beast I think he had lost his fucking mind.

I think that came at the tail end of his brain tumor, before the operation.

Number of the Beast was bizarre. Stopping in Oz and getting a bathroom for the spaceship there?! OMG.

Later works may have oddities that can be attributed to his cognitive issues (TIA and a blocked carotid, at one point), but don't explain the reeking mess of misogyny and racism that is Farnham's Freehold, written much earlier.  I was a fan, but there are novels like that which I can say nothing good about, and advise SF fans to steer around, and rather remember his genius moments.  His meanderings between anarchism, libertarianism, Goldwater conservative, and more liberal views, are wildly confusing and I tend to see him as a philosophical seeker who sometimes didn't get out of his white affluent California enclave enough.

Quite...

[facilitatorn]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/5/2096182/-As-protests-over-abortion-rights-hit-streets-far-right-extremists-already-see-target-for-violence

Do not forget to join the protest Sunday at the Catholic Church of your choice.

Do not forget to take and publish pics of churchy republicans stumbling out of strip clubs.

That can be any night of the week.

[josh]

"Oh, no. We only mean our religion gets exemptions, not yours."

[josh]

From Literature_Lady on Twitter:
 
Sir Matthew Hale, the guy Alito quotes, wrote in his posthumously published book Historia Placitorum Coronae (1713) that marital rape was legal. In fact, because a man owned a woman's body as it was an extension of his own to do with whatever he willed, he was incapable of marital rape.  The logic was that you can't rape something that isn't considered an independent human being. Your wife's body is yours and you can't rape yourself. This is the logic Alito is upholding when he invokes Matthew Hale. But it gets worse.

Let's say a woman vocalized her opinion and it ran contrary to her husband's. She didn't want sex. Hale believed that this put her in violation of her marital vows. She was literally breaking the law. Women who denied men sex needed to be punished.
There was a whole set of laws at the time specifically on the punishment of women who spoke up against the men in their lives. They didn't have the legal authority to say no to sex because they were not legally independent human beings.

Keep in mind that Hale and others also viewed a father's role in a similar way. The daughter had no bodily autonomy, & it was a father's duty to 'correct' his children as long as he did so within the law. Daughters were groomed from an early age to be obedient to future husbands.

It should be no surprise that Hale was responsible for the trial and execution of women for witchcraft and that his legal opinion would be used as a base for the execution of women and children by the state both in England and the Americas.

The big witch trial Hale was known for was the 1662 trial of Rose Cullender and Amy Duny. It followed many of the trial conventions of the day with bonkers stories of toads, vomiting pins, etc. Both women were widows and found guilty.
Women who were executed by the state for witchcraft were overwhelmingly poor and single. Most were widows. Hale & his contemporaries found independent women to be a serious threat in society. She was not owned by father or husband, which meant that she was an unnatural presence.

Women without a man to tightly control their behaviors were viewed as extremely susceptible to immorality and becoming a Satanic force in the community. Hale believed it was in society's best interest for men of the state to step in and control these women.

A woman's primary purpose in adulthood was to be married, be obedient to a man, & to have children. Alito invoking Hale in his opinion made it clear that he also thinks this too. It's his duty as a man to put the bodily fate of women in the hands of states run by white men.

Keep in mind that Hale was only talking about white Christian women. Women who didn't fall into this category were debated as even being women. They were viewed as less than human with even less rights. The rule of thumb didn't apply; they weren't worthy of such restraint.

Are you starting to see why Alito's invocation of Hale is so deeply, deeply fucked up on so many insane levels that there isn't a way to possibly overreact to how shitty his legal standing is here? Rage, horror, disgust, etc. are not deep enough reactions to his legal opinion.

And if you think Hale being invoked by Alito was something out of left field, think again. Hale is all over our legal system. The easiest application to find was the Salem Witch Trials, but his influence on our laws is much more insidious than that. Marital rape was not completely outlawed in the United States until 1993.

When Alito talks about going back to what the founding fathers meant, he is talking about all of this shit. Women's bodies being legally owned and controlled by men. He knows many Christian white women are groomed theologically to agree and will vote for this patriarchal control.

Alito knows that by kicking reproductive control back to the states that he is putting an incredible amount of power in the hands of the men who control these communities. He knows that white men are disproportionately in charge of these places.
Alito knows how much power and influence local churches have on local leadership. He knows most of these institutions are controlled by men. He is counting on it. He knows the biggest threat to women are the men in their homes and communities.
Justice Alito and men like him do not see women as independent human beings with their own human rights. They see us as incapable of making our own decisions. They consider men to be divinely appointed to rule over women. This is not an exaggeration.

If they think of white Christian women this way, imagine what they think about women of color, women of non-Christian groups, or trans women and men. The utter disdain towards them is deep, disturbing, incomprehensible, and violent."
-- @Literature_Lady

[facilitatorn]

Republicans are fucked up. Always kick them. It is better for everyone that way.

[kidcarter8]

Democrats will once again refuse a compromise legislation that wuld be to their - and the nation's - benefit


https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/3713/text?r=1&s=1

[luee]

So now sleepy Joe is going for super minorities. Latest is Afro-american, female, and lesbian. Golly a three bagger. All the liberal elites are going to love him.

[kidcarter8]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/5/2096182/-As-protests-over-abortion-rights-hit-streets-far-right-extremists-already-see-target-for-violence

I especially like the comments section.  Small percentage even very well-written.

[Oilcandide]

So now sleepy Joe is going for super minorities. Latest is Afro-american, female, and lesbian. Golly a three bagger. All the liberal elites are going to love him.

Jean-Pierre was the deputy press secretary.  Therefore, an obvious and logical promotion based on her competence in that position.  You are a stupid and bigoted cunt. 

[kidcarter8]

So now sleepy Joe is going for super minorities. Latest is Afro-american, female, and lesbian. Golly a three bagger. All the liberal elites are going to love him.

Jean-Pierre was the deputy press secretary.  Therefore, an obvious and logical promotion based on her competence in that position.         

Yes, but it was pre-planned that she be especially diverse (see the Psaki comments on her leaving after a year or more to create this opportunity for someone with these particular qualities)

I look forward to seeing her in this challenge.  Absolutely should be an improvement. 

[kidcarter8]

Grief does horrible things...


https://www.foxnews.com/us/minnesota-police-body-cam-daunte-wrights-mom