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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[Echo4]

One of our political parties partitions voting districts and fucks with voting sites in order to disenfranchise Black voters. 


Is that truly what you think just happened in Atlanta?

Republicans close voting sites in majority Black neighborhoods to make it more difficult for them to vote.  In Georgia, 1.5 years ago, they tried to close 7 of 9 in a majority Black county before getting called on it and canceling those plans.

So do I think its very possible what happened in Atlanta is the result of a years long effort to degrade the voting infrastructure of minority neighborhoods?  Fuck yes.

I think it was mostly improper training and incompetence

Of course you do.

Do you grant the other was a factor at all?!

[NeedsAdjustments]

I've heard this complaint that "they" just don't cover some news stories at all, most recently from Kid.

But I've yet to find a story I was told that they had not covered that they had not, in fact, covered! So, what stories do you have in mind?

I think anyone who has their nose deep in the news reading stories that they care about are going to find things they think should be more widely covered.  For example, recently I was reading a story about how more and more Republican-led states are closing voting places in minority neighborhoods since SCOTUS knocked the teeth out of the Voting Rights Act.  It was in a "liberal" publication, because its the kind of issue liberals are concerned about.

On the other side, someone might see, say, a news story covered by OAN about how a 75 year old pushed down by the police and left laying on the ground with blood streaming from his head while they stepped over him was really an Antifa agitator who staged the whole thing to make the police and Republicans look bad.  Someone who sees that and is truly concerned about how the evil Antifa is invading their white neighborhoods and harassing Mr. Trump might ask "Hey, why isn't CNN covering this!"

Mainstream media hasn't done nearly enough to cover the closing of voting sites in minority neighborhoods, and really hasn't much covered the massive Antifa plot to kill white people en masse.  So, personally, I think their failure to cover the major stories of the day isn't coming from a partisan bias.

[Hamilton Samuels]

“Don't you think we have a responsibility to be considerate of each other's thoughts and feelings, if we expect others to be considerate of our thoughts, feelings?

Not to go all Miss Manners on you, but it's my contention that your message is clouded or enhanced by the manner in which you deliver it, and that would be indeed be your "problem", it in fact you truly wish to be heard.”

Considerate?

How do you politely utter a primal scream?

A deranged man is burning down the theater.   But let's discuss the etiquette of how to quietly fold our popcorn boxes and properly dispose of.

Just so I'm clear. I am only talking about discussion here.

Yes, selective tone policing.

I see you can cut and paste, and post snark, but do you have any original thoughts?

Please add them. Inquiring minds want to know what pearls of pontification they can expect from someone so obviously gifted as yourself!

For somebody asking people to be considerate in their tone, you sure choose funny ways to display the practice yourself!

It doesn't take cut and paste to recognize and comment upon tone policing when it is going on, Uno. It surely doesn't require even much of my obviously prodigious mind!

I didn't say, "You're being a fucking asshole on this topic and you really need to get over yourself!" I used the appropriate term to describe what you were doing.

I don't claim to have never engaged in the practice, myself. It's part of how I recognize it so readily! (It's been pointed out to me once or twice, somewhat pointedly.)

And I am sorry that having it pointed out bothers you so much. I'm pretty familiar with defensiveness, too. (Or as I once said, "But I have a perfect right to be defensive!")

Oh, sorry. First you criticized for being nice. Now, you get angry when I act the way you seem to want me to do---conforming to the overarching tone of anger that you and others present.

I prefer to be a nice guy, so decide. Because I can go the other way, if that suits you. Just let me know if you want AC or DC, because I aim to discuss in ways that you and others undestand best.

The criticism was for hypocrisy. If you were going to stop complaining about tone policing, that's fine. But continuing to complain about the accusation while engaging in what you objected to was funny!

So, you prefer a nastier tone?

[Hamilton Samuels]

I think their failure to cover the major stories of the day isn't coming from a partisan bias.

I think the problem with television and radio media is that they depend on ratings.

This naturally creates a circumstance for some serious editing.

But the larger issue, IMO, is that people look for their own echo chamber, find it, then stay there. FaceBook, Instagram, etc, has made that circumstance, worse.

[Hairy Lime]

One of our political parties partitions voting districts and fucks with voting sites in order to disenfranchise Black voters. 


Is that truly what you think just happened in Atlanta?

Republicans close voting sites in majority Black neighborhoods to make it more difficult for them to vote.  In Georgia, 1.5 years ago, they tried to close 7 of 9 in a majority Black county before getting called on it and canceling those plans.

So do I think its very possible what happened in Atlanta is the result of a years long effort to degrade the voting infrastructure of minority neighborhoods?  Fuck yes.

I think it was mostly improper training and incompetence

I recall a trainer, back when I was doing labor relations. When it was suggested some malfeascing employees be sent to him for additional training, he responded, "Why? I ALREADY TRAINED THEM. If they couldn't listen the first time, what makes you think they will start now?" 

Police officers have been trained on all of the relevant issues  - use of force, race issues, public relations - for years. It has not worked. Things keep happening. It is time to rethink policing.

[NeedsAdjustments]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/10/president-trump-plans-race-relations-roundtable-discussion-at-dallas-church/

Meeting with "Faith leaders, law enforcement and small business owners". I am for some reason unhopeful.

Guess who is writing Trump’s speech for Tulsa.

[Hamilton Samuels]

One of our political parties partitions voting districts and fucks with voting sites in order to disenfranchise Black voters. 


Is that truly what you think just happened in Atlanta?

Republicans close voting sites in majority Black neighborhoods to make it more difficult for them to vote.  In Georgia, 1.5 years ago, they tried to close 7 of 9 in a majority Black county before getting called on it and canceling those plans.

So do I think its very possible what happened in Atlanta is the result of a years long effort to degrade the voting infrastructure of minority neighborhoods?  Fuck yes.

I think it was mostly improper training and incompetence

Of course you do.

Do you grant the other was a factor at all?!

I recall a trainer, back when I was doing labor relations. When it was suggested some malfeascing employees be sent to him for additional training, he responded, "Why? I ALREADY TRAINED THEM. If they couldn't listen the first time, what makes you think they will start now?"

Police officers have been trained on all of the relevant issues  - use of force, race issues, public relations - for years. It has not worked. Things keep happening. It is time to rethink policing.

I agree it is time to rethink policing. But I also think it is well past time for the public at large to decide that it is as fed up with the poverty, substandard housing, limited access to quality health care, food insecurity, and other issues of disparity that create the trauma with which far too many Americans live each day. And that is particularly a dire circumstance for children.

As long as we are obsessed with the Kardashians and who's Got Talent and Netflix and the NFL to the point of being anesthetized and completely numb to the suffering of so many of our countrymen, and as long as we allow politicians to determine what is meant by "effective policing", we will continue to struggle to restore our once (however illusory) image of the City upon the Hill.

[Hamilton Samuels]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/10/president-trump-plans-race-relations-roundtable-discussion-at-dallas-church/

Meeting with "Faith leaders, law enforcement and small business owners". I am for some reason unhopeful.

Guess who is writing Trump’s speech for Tulsa.

Al Sharpton?

[facilitatorn]

Trump is leaning into his Nazi-confederacy coalition (making Kiid both hard and wet). He should not be allowed to campaign at all, full stop. For the most part he has stopped himself with sluggardliness so far, but he should not be allowed to serve.

The house drafted a legal, reasonable, and exceedingly merciful solution to the problem.

Since the Senate failed to ratify it, National Security now depends on stopping trump’s heart and stilling his breath.

We may have to defeat his 2020 campaign first, though that is not the optimal solution.

Best would be he dies in his sleep or chokes to death on some chicken fat.

Next best would be Melania shoving him down the gangway of an airplane so he breaks his neck on the tarmac. That way his end wouldn’t involve the active participation of any government officials.

[facilitatorn]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/10/president-trump-plans-race-relations-roundtable-discussion-at-dallas-church/

Meeting with "Faith leaders, law enforcement and small business owners". I am for some reason unhopeful.

Guess who is writing Trump’s speech for Tulsa.

Al Sharpton?

If trump were president he would have spoken to Sharpton.

Since he’s gunning to become overslumlord, he gave the sharpie to steven miller.

[Echo4]

The criticism was for hypocrisy. If you were going to stop complaining about tone policing, that's fine. But continuing to complain about the accusation while engaging in what you objected to was funny!

So, you prefer a nastier tone?

While I am pretty sure that that is a very warped interpretation of anything I have said, I will try to communicate with you in clear, exact terms:

1) As a general rule, I prefer a less nasty tone.

However,
2) As a specific rule, I think criticizing oppressed people for using less restrained language to discuss issues surrounding their oppression is oppressive.

And
3) I think telling said oppressed people that they would have more support if only they posted about it in nicer language is at best disingenuous.

Further
4) Claiming that they are making you less likely to support their cause by their language is more indicative of the claimant's moral weakness than it is of any failure by the user of said language.

5) I find faux-politeness to be far more offensive than I find most so-called objectionable language.

[Echo4]

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[Echo4]

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[FlyingVProd]

I wish the best for the class of 2020.

My advice for the graduates is to take time off before they go to college and travel, they should go see the world, I recommend that they spend at least a month in Rome, Italy, they need to go to Europe, and to South America, they need to get out there and see the world before they go to college, they need to spend at least one year traveling around the world. And there are youth hostels around the world for the young back-packers, the hostels are cheap and they are fun places.

And they need to take chances, and they need to go for their dreams.

One thing for me too, this is good advice, is that when you get tired then you need to rest, not quit, sometimes I quit when all that I really needed was a break and more money, I could have taken a vacation and I could have requested a raise, when you are ready to quit then you have nothing to lose.

And do not be afraid to ask for help.

I wish the best for the class of 2020.

Salute,

Tony V.

[Hamilton Samuels]

The criticism was for hypocrisy. If you were going to stop complaining about tone policing, that's fine. But continuing to complain about the accusation while engaging in what you objected to was funny!

So, you prefer a nastier tone?

While I am pretty sure that that is a very warped interpretation of anything I have said, I will try to communicate with you in clear, exact terms:

1) As a general rule, I prefer a less nasty tone.

However,
2) As a specific rule, I think criticizing oppressed people for using less restrained language to discuss issues surrounding their oppression is oppressive.


3) I think telling said oppressed people that they would have more support if only they posted about it in nicer language is at best disingenuous.

Further
4) Claiming that they are making you less likely to support their cause by their language is more indicative of the claimant's moral weakness than it is of any failure by the user of said language.

5) I find faux-politeness to be far more offensive than I find most so-called objectionable language.

I see. You've overinterpreted my remarks, seeing in them that which was neither said nor implied.
Perhaps you should examine your own need to create unnecessary arguments. Or are you just hear to save the oppressed from further oppression?

Tell me. Who among us on this forum are the truly oppressed, and I'll be sure to follow your guidelines for speaking to those poor souls.

As for "faux politeness", I have no iidea what you mean by that. Either you're paranoid, have suffered some undue trauma in your life, or you've never actually experienced real conversation.

You may continue, but I believe there's nothing left for me to say to you, since clearly you've made a firm choice, preferring the nastier tone of discourse, thus impairing your message and certainly adding to your apparent lack of reading comprehension.