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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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josh

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30885 on: April 05, 2020, 06:35:28 PM »


It's all supposition and getting people scared - and anxiety can be a contributory killer.

You keep using that word, "supposition."

Merriam-Webster says:
Supposition: something that is supposed : HYPOTHESIS.

This contrasts with Google's definition:
Supposition: an uncertain belief.

My guess is that from the M-W definition, you take hypothesis to mean "an assumption or concession made for the sake of argument."

But it's not. The more scientific definition is "an interpretation of a practical situation or condition taken as the ground for action."

The shortages are not an assumption. They are not a hypothesis. They are a fact.

"Academy of Dermatology have issued a joint statement calling on Vice President Mike Pence to address shortages of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine"
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"Four out of 8 manufacturers of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial drug that had shown some success treating the symptoms of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19), are already experiencing shortages according to a list from the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists (ASHP).1

"According to ASHP’s list of drug shortages, which is independent of the FDA, 200 mg hydroxychloroquine sulfate tablets from Amneal, Major, Mylan, and Teva are currently experiencing shortages. Concordia, Prasco, Sandoz, and Zydus have not reported shortages at this time."
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"FDA SAYS THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE AND CHLOROQUINE 'DUE TO A SIGNIFICANT SURGE IN DEMAND'"
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The two most talked about drugs, which have inspired some hope as possible treatments for the virus, are also in short supply. A study in France concluded that hydroxychloroquine, usually used to treat malaria and autoimmune diseases, was particularly effective in fighting the virus when used in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin, though those results have been disputed. New York state is now conducting its own clinical trials.

Effective or not in the fight against COVID-19, hydroxychloroquine is on backorder, and azithromycin, often sold under the brand name Zithromax Z-pak, is in very limited supply and almost unavailable, according to Liristis’ records.

S Bros Pharmacy in Brooklyn’s Williamsburg neighborhood filled its inventory with hydroxychloroquine and Z-paks when word spread the drugs were a possible treatment. But the pharmacy is now dispensing hydroxychloroquine only to patients who suffer from chronic autoimmune diseases to meet guidelines set by New York state, which limit the drug to FDA-approved therapies and COVID-19-positive patients participating in the state trials to ease shortages.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30886 on: April 05, 2020, 06:37:38 PM »

Biden doesn’t have rocks for brains like a certain painted presidential imposter. Reason enough Biden should have everyone’s vote.

bambu-ilk want Trump.

Another equally good reason Biden should have everyone’s vote.

Why do bambu-ilk want Trump?

Because we believe he's our best [and only real] hope.
He's the Commander in Chief of the big guns.

We know you believe that.

But just as he could not and did not save the coal industry and did not fix the problems iron had in America and lied about protecting Social Security and Medicare, his words about the Coronavirus are full of hot air, best not breathed by us.

Like I said - if you want him, you can have him.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30887 on: April 05, 2020, 06:42:03 PM »

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josh

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30888 on: April 05, 2020, 07:28:30 PM »

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'If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be too late to prepare'

George W. Bush, 2005
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30889 on: April 05, 2020, 07:36:59 PM »

Anyone know why Bernie Sanders was on with Bill Maher this week?

Yes.

Next week - Jeb Bush
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« Reply #30890 on: April 05, 2020, 07:41:57 PM »

You keep using that word, "supposition."


Yes, I think I used it properly

The supposition is that patients with lupus and other conditions will be closed out from getting their needed meds - and may even thus die.

This is just scare journalism.  There will be plenty of this drug.
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« Reply #30891 on: April 05, 2020, 07:46:49 PM »

You keep using that word, "supposition."


Yes, I think I used it properly

The supposition is that patients with lupus and other conditions will be closed out from getting their needed meds - and may even thus die.

This is just scare journalism.  There will be plenty of this drug.

But there ISN'T.

It's not supposition, Kid. It's a fact. There is already not enough.

And the main reason there will be enough of it is...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858?via%3Dihub
No Evidence of Rapid Antiviral Clearance or Clinical Benefit with the Combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin in Patients with Severe COVID-19 Infection

Médecine et Maladies Infectieuses
Available online 30 March 2020
In Press, Journal Pre-proofWhat are Journal Pre-proof articles


This is not the last word on the subject, but it is not a good sign, by itself.
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« Reply #30892 on: April 05, 2020, 07:47:29 PM »

"With limited resources, officials in charge of the stockpile tend to focus on buying lifesaving drugs from small biotechnology firms that would, in the absence of a government buyer, have no other market for their products, experts said. Masks and other protective equipment are in normal times widely available and thus may not have been prioritized for purchase, they said."




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« Reply #30893 on: April 05, 2020, 07:50:23 PM »

It's not supposition, Kid. It's a fact. There is already not enough.



False

Not enough to be more comfortable with the inventory?  Maybe.

But as I said - it gets made pretty quickly and is available from many sources.  Places that are short just need to be serviced.

Pharmacies "run out of" specific drugs all the time - I am sure you know this.  They then seek - and get - what they need - as they need it.  Working together, all is fine.  There is no difference here.
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« Reply #30894 on: April 05, 2020, 07:53:08 PM »

I would hardly call chloraquine an obscure drug.  Sure it wasn't in the national news, but it had been the primary anti-malarial drug for 30+ years, and is still used to treat malaria, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis.  As drugs go, its been around for a long time, and has a number of important uses.  And for a drug that beats the hell out of blood parasites, it has a very safe profile with minimal side effects or counter-indications.  They don't really know how chloraquine works, but believe it interferes with cell receptors. 

Otherwise, I'm pretty sure remdesivir essentially failed as an Ebola treatment and the manufacturer is looking for other uses (to recoup their investment). 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30895 on: April 05, 2020, 07:58:05 PM »

It's not supposition, Kid. It's a fact. There is already not enough.



False


What the fuck do you think "we are limiting what people can purchase" means?

What the fuck do you think a patient's being told "thank you for your sacrifice" means?

Yes, there is a fucking shortage, no matter how you pretend there is not.
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« Reply #30896 on: April 05, 2020, 07:59:32 PM »

Hey, Kid, now you can claim nobody lost their health insurance as a result of the pandemic.

It will be just as true as your bizarre claim that a shortage according to the FDA is not really a shortage.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30897 on: April 05, 2020, 08:01:07 PM »

You go, Quasim.
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« Reply #30898 on: April 05, 2020, 08:02:32 PM »

It's not supposition, Kid. It's a fact. There is already not enough.



False


What the fuck do you think "we are limiting what people can purchase" means?

What the fuck do you think a patient's being told "thank you for your sacrifice" means?

Yes, there is a fucking shortage, no matter how you pretend there is not.

Sure, bro

Keep us posted
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30899 on: April 05, 2020, 08:05:36 PM »

The Financial Fucking Times...



https://www.ft.com/content/7eff769a-74dd-11ea-95fe-fcd274e920ca

I guess FT isnt one of the publications making articles on the virus free

Thanks anyway.
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