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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #50986 on: September 21, 2020, 08:42:21 PM »

This is an example of a case that went from dispute to SCOTUS, with no lower court involved:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/130ORIG.ZS.html

Nor could they direct it to a lower court because the Constitution requires cases between states go to them, if I recall correctly.

Had they deadlocked, they would have punted it to the following term. There were 8 of them, as Souter had recused himself. But it was not a tough call in this instance. NH had already screwed themselves with previously held positions.

Thanks!   Concrete example very helpful.   That "original jurisdiction" clause.   Not sure how electoral returns would ever involve an interstate dispute, so maybe that's a migraine no one ever needs to get.
Well, no.
Clause 2 makes no reference to an “ interstate dispute”,

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be a Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction.

A four-four SCOTUS in a tightly contested Presidential election shoud make everyone nervous.

I wish there were a risk that if this were tightly contested the Court might go to 4-4.

But if dispute(s) were to come from state(s), then that's the level at which resolution should be made, not SCOTUS.
I don’t think you thought that one through.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #50987 on: September 21, 2020, 08:44:53 PM »

Under the new law, anyone found guilty of throwing objects at police and law enforcement officers would be subject to a minimum six-month jail sentence. It also imposes felony penalties for protesters who block roadways, topple monuments or harass people.





Let's go, Florida!


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/desantis-proposes-law-cracking-down-on-looters-violent-protesters-antifa-types
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #50989 on: September 21, 2020, 09:35:39 PM »

This is an example of a case that went from dispute to SCOTUS, with no lower court involved:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/130ORIG.ZS.html

Nor could they direct it to a lower court because the Constitution requires cases between states go to them, if I recall correctly.

Had they deadlocked, they would have punted it to the following term. There were 8 of them, as Souter had recused himself. But it was not a tough call in this instance. NH had already screwed themselves with previously held positions.

Thanks!   Concrete example very helpful.   That "original jurisdiction" clause.   Not sure how electoral returns would ever involve an interstate dispute, so maybe that's a migraine no one ever needs to get.
Well, no.
Clause 2 makes no reference to an “ interstate dispute”,

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be a Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction.

A four-four SCOTUS in a tightly contested Presidential election shoud make everyone nervous.

I wish there were a risk that if this were tightly contested the Court might go to 4-4.

But if dispute(s) were to come from state(s), then that's the level at which resolution should be made, not SCOTUS.
I don’t think you thought that one through.

but as ever have no explanation about why. LOL!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #50990 on: September 21, 2020, 09:59:05 PM »

This is an example of a case that went from dispute to SCOTUS, with no lower court involved:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/130ORIG.ZS.html

Nor could they direct it to a lower court because the Constitution requires cases between states go to them, if I recall correctly.

Had they deadlocked, they would have punted it to the following term. There were 8 of them, as Souter had recused himself. But it was not a tough call in this instance. NH had already screwed themselves with previously held positions.

Thanks!   Concrete example very helpful.   That "original jurisdiction" clause.   Not sure how electoral returns would ever involve an interstate dispute, so maybe that's a migraine no one ever needs to get.
Well, no.
Clause 2 makes no reference to an “ interstate dispute”,

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be a Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction.

A four-four SCOTUS in a tightly contested Presidential election shoud make everyone nervous.

I wish there were a risk that if this were tightly contested the Court might go to 4-4.

But if dispute(s) were to come from state(s), then that's the level at which resolution should be made, not SCOTUS.
I don’t think you thought that one through.

but as ever have no explanation about why. LOL!
You already did .

But if dispute(s) were to come from state(s), then that's the level at which resolution should be made, not SCOTUS.

Maybe you don’t understand what you write. 
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« Reply #50991 on: September 21, 2020, 10:14:32 PM »

The Constitution established the Supreme Court's original jurisdiction to provide a tribunal of the highest stature for disputes to which a state was a party and for cases involving the representatives of foreign nations. In practice, the Supreme Court has only rarely exercised its jurisdiction over foreign officials. Instead, the Supreme Court's original docket has been dedicated largely to resolving disputes between state governments.

Article III, section 2, of the Constitution distributes the federal judicial power between the Supreme Court's appellate and original jurisdiction, providing that the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction in "all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls," and in cases to which a state is a party. In the Judiciary Act of 1789, Congress made the Supreme Court's original jurisdiction exclusive in suits between two or more states, between a state and a foreign government, and in suits against ambassadors and other public ministers. The Supreme Court's jurisdiction over the remainder of suits to which a state was a party was to be concurrent, presumably with state courts since the statute did not expressly confer these cases upon the inferior federal courts.   


https://www.fjc.gov/history/courts/jurisdiction-original-supreme-court

So,  yes,  disputes between two or more states,  as I said earlier,  Redward.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #50992 on: September 21, 2020, 10:33:13 PM »

The Constitution established the Supreme Court's original jurisdiction to provide a tribunal of the highest stature for disputes to which a state was a party and for cases involving the representatives of foreign nations. In practice, the Supreme Court has only rarely exercised its jurisdiction over foreign officials. Instead, the Supreme Court's original docket has been dedicated largely to resolving disputes between state governments.

Article III, section 2, of the Constitution distributes the federal judicial power between the Supreme Court's appellate and original jurisdiction, providing that the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction in "all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls," and in cases to which a state is a party. In the Judiciary Act of 1789, Congress made the Supreme Court's original jurisdiction exclusive in suits between two or more states, between a state and a foreign government, and in suits against ambassadors and other public ministers. The Supreme Court's jurisdiction over the remainder of suits to which a state was a party was to be concurrent, presumably with state courts since the statute did not expressly confer these cases upon the inferior federal courts.   


https://www.fjc.gov/history/courts/jurisdiction-original-supreme-court

So,  yes,  disputes between two or more states,  as I said earlier,  Redward.
Nice try.
But Article III Clause 2 is the law of the land.
The Judiciary Act of 1789 may have added power to the Court, it did not diminish it.
The facts that are indisputable and  pertain to a small number of lawsuits— those involving ambassadors, public ministers and consuls, or where a state is a party   the Supreme Court is the first court to hear the case.
Why this is an issue for you is puzzling, since it has nothing to do with your original question.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #50993 on: September 21, 2020, 11:38:55 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/politics/esper-milley-trump/index.html

How Esper and Milley are dealing with the volatile Trump.
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« Reply #50994 on: September 21, 2020, 11:51:32 PM »

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/20/leak-reveals-2tn-of-possibly-corrupt-us-financial-activity

I condemn the release of these files almost as much as I condemn our government for failing to follow up on these illegal financial activities.

Even without Paul Manafort's having been among those cited in the documents.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #50995 on: September 22, 2020, 01:00:56 AM »

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/new-us-covid-19-cases-rise-17percent-in-past-week-deaths-up-5percent/ar-BB19gLLu?li=AAgfYrC&OCID=AVRES000


New U.S. COVID-19 cases rise 17% in past week, deaths up 5% [/b]

(Reuters) - The weekly number of new COVID-19 cases in the United States rose last week for the first time after falling for eight straight weeks, an increase that health experts attributed to schools reopening and parties over the Labor Day holiday.


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bambu is a simple man.
Simple solution...close the schools and ban parties.

17%...is better than the UK's doubling of new cases every 7 days. France is exploding with new cases too.
 




 


 



How much is hospitalization rising?

Not sure...but massive rises in daily cases is potential for more deaths and permanent disabilities.
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« Reply #50996 on: September 22, 2020, 01:27:14 AM »

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/new-us-covid-19-cases-rise-17percent-in-past-week-deaths-up-5percent/ar-BB19gLLu?li=AAgfYrC&OCID=AVRES000


New U.S. COVID-19 cases rise 17% in past week, deaths up 5% [/b]

(Reuters) - The weekly number of new COVID-19 cases in the United States rose last week for the first time after falling for eight straight weeks, an increase that health experts attributed to schools reopening and parties over the Labor Day holiday.


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bambu is a simple man.
Simple solution...close the schools and ban parties.

17%...is better than the UK's doubling of new cases every 7 days. France is exploding with new cases too.
 




 


 



How much is hospitalization rising?

Not sure...but massive rises in daily cases is potential for more deaths and permanent disabilities.

Oh, surely not permanent disabilities! President Trump tells us that only 1% are impacted and the other 99% are fine!

And he gives himself an A+ in his handling of COVID-19, so how could he have missed  permanent disabilities?!
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« Reply #50997 on: September 22, 2020, 02:19:25 AM »

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« Reply #50998 on: September 22, 2020, 06:03:35 AM »

Did I miss something or did Dallas just fill a football stadium this weekend?

Isn’t that like a really really big choir practice full of extra sausage diabetics and cardiac patients?

Lets see who does better with the negligent homicide civil suits, Jerry Jones or donald “puppet” trump.
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« Reply #50999 on: September 22, 2020, 06:08:22 AM »

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/9/21/1979315/-Nebraska-bar-owner-died-by-suicide-following-grand-jury-indictment-for-shooting-a-Black-protester

Trump could learn a lot from Jake Gardner, as could pence, as could Barr, as could Miller, as could wolf, as could Moscow Mitch, as could Flynn, Manafort, Giuliani, and Stone.
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