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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #51195 on: September 24, 2020, 12:36:51 PM »

A New York Times investigation concluded that a neighbor, who was on the staircase immediately above Taylor's apartment, heard the officers shout "Police!" once (contrary to what law enforcement told investigators) and knocked three times, while approximately eleven other neighbors, heard no announcement. According to this investigation, every neighbors' account conflicts with law enforcement.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #51197 on: September 24, 2020, 12:43:27 PM »

Have to get to work,  will be AFK,  so any non reply does not mean I am withdrawing from a genuine discussion of the case.   Or that I accept,  by silence, further posts that rubber stamp law enforcement narratives here.   
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #51198 on: September 24, 2020, 12:48:23 PM »

A New York Times investigation concluded that a neighbor, who was on the staircase immediately above Taylor's apartment, heard the officers shout "Police!" once (contrary to what law enforcement told investigators) and knocked three times, while approximately eleven other neighbors, heard no announcement. According to this investigation, every neighbors' account conflicts with law enforcement.

Are you suggesting that police lie?!

GASP!

But, as the saying goes, "why do we engage with dishonest posters?"
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #51199 on: September 24, 2020, 12:50:23 PM »

A New York Times investigation concluded that a neighbor, who was on the staircase immediately above Taylor's apartment, heard the officers shout "Police!" once (contrary to what law enforcement told investigators) and knocked three times, while approximately eleven other neighbors, heard no announcement. According to this investigation, every neighbors' account conflicts with law enforcement.

Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron said Louisville Metro officers knocked and announced themselves before breaching the door to Breonna Taylor's apartment.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #51200 on: September 24, 2020, 12:53:01 PM »

Have to get to work,  will be AFK,  so any non reply does not mean I am withdrawing from a genuine discussion of the case.   Or that I accept,  by silence, further posts that rubber stamp law enforcement narratives here.

Oh, right...

Work.

I knew I had something on the agenda for today.

But, Barton? No honest poster would make any such assumptions.
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« Reply #51201 on: September 24, 2020, 01:26:53 PM »

A New York Times investigation concluded that a neighbor, who was on the staircase immediately above Taylor's apartment, heard the officers shout "Police!" once (contrary to what law enforcement told investigators) and knocked three times, while approximately eleven other neighbors, heard no announcement. According to this investigation, every neighbors' account conflicts with law enforcement.

Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron said Louisville Metro officers knocked and announced themselves before breaching the door to Breonna Taylor's apartment.
Exactly. Ham sandwich. It is the AG's evidentiary choice, not the facts that dictated the Grand Jury finding. And that the AG chose from competing statements the one most favorable to the police is not surprising and the whole issue. Of.course, stupid people and intellectually dishonest poltroons will pretend his word is somehow gospel.
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« Reply #51202 on: September 24, 2020, 01:45:53 PM »

---Black attorney general chokes up during Taylor announcement---

Trying to feel the pain, but seriously to start shooting at cops?

To be fair, seems that one shooter was an outlier

Bothers me more that people in so many cities participated in protest last night.  Not criticizing them at all - but the overall picture in terms of PEACE looks bleak.

NO JUSTICE?
NO PEACE.

What do you prefer he charges to have been?


If you don’t know by now I can’t tell you.
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« Reply #51203 on: September 24, 2020, 02:13:03 PM »

A New York Times investigation concluded that a neighbor, who was on the staircase immediately above Taylor's apartment, heard the officers shout "Police!" once (contrary to what law enforcement told investigators) and knocked three times, while approximately eleven other neighbors, heard no announcement. According to this investigation, every neighbors' account conflicts with law enforcement.

Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron said Louisville Metro officers knocked and announced themselves before breaching the door to Breonna Taylor's apartment.
Exactly. Ham sandwich. It is the AG's evidentiary choice, not the facts that dictated the Grand Jury finding. And that the AG chose from competing statements the one most favorable to the police is not surprising and the whole issue. Of.course, stupid people and intellectually dishonest poltroons will pretend his word is somehow gospel.
The Prosecutor did not “ choose from competing statements”, the members of the grand jury did.
It would have been unethical to withhold exculpatory evidence that could lead to acquittal at a trial.
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« Reply #51204 on: September 24, 2020, 02:34:34 PM »

A New York Times investigation concluded that a neighbor, who was on the staircase immediately above Taylor's apartment, heard the officers shout "Police!" once (contrary to what law enforcement told investigators) and knocked three times, while approximately eleven other neighbors, heard no announcement. According to this investigation, every neighbors' account conflicts with law enforcement.

Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron said Louisville Metro officers knocked and announced themselves before breaching the door to Breonna Taylor's apartment.
Exactly. Ham sandwich. It is the AG's evidentiary choice, not the facts that dictated the Grand Jury finding. And that the AG chose from competing statements the one most favorable to the police is not surprising and the whole issue. Of.course, stupid people and intellectually dishonest poltroons will pretend his word is somehow gospel.
The Prosecutor did not “ choose from competing statements”, the members of the grand jury did.
You have missed the point of the Ham Sandwich.
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It would have been unethical to withhold exculpatory evidence that could lead to acquittal at a trial.
Indeed. But that is not the issue. The AG never got to the point of providing g or withholding exculpatory evidence to the defense. He is under no duty to present exculpatory evidence to the Grand Jury.

You so ignore that the statement proclaimed by the AG is not supported by a Grand Jury finding. The Grand Jury does not make specific factual findings.  It merely determines whether and who to indict and.the charges.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #51205 on: September 24, 2020, 02:40:26 PM »

Stop lecturing the educator!
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« Reply #51206 on: September 24, 2020, 03:11:26 PM »

Properly executing the warrant was probably why charges were not filed for murder. The investigating committee was under an extreme public microscope.
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« Reply #51207 on: September 24, 2020, 03:13:22 PM »

More than 200 retired generals and admirals endorsed Joe Biden for president in a letter published Thursday, saying he had the character and judgment to serve as commander-in-chief instead of President Donald Trump, who has failed "to meet challenges large or small."

Some of the officers who signed the letter supporting Biden had retired only in the past few years, including Air Force Gen. Paul Selva, who served as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Trump before he retired in August 2019; Vice Adm. Gardner Howe, a Navy SEAL leader who also retired last year; and retired Adm. Paul Zukunft, who oversaw the Coast Guard until 2018.

 

The list of signatories featured 22 retired four-star military officers, among them Navy Adm. Samuel Locklear, who oversaw all U.S. forces in the Pacific from 2012 to 2015, and Adm. Harry Ulrich, who commanded U.S. naval forces in Europe during President George W. Bush's administration.


https://news.yahoo.com/more-200-retired-generals-admirals-093007165.html

And here is the letter: https://www.nationalsecurityleaders4biden.com/
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #51208 on: September 24, 2020, 03:14:31 PM »

A New York Times investigation concluded that a neighbor, who was on the staircase immediately above Taylor's apartment, heard the officers shout "Police!" once (contrary to what law enforcement told investigators) and knocked three times, while approximately eleven other neighbors, heard no announcement. According to this investigation, every neighbors' account conflicts with law enforcement.

Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron said Louisville Metro officers knocked and announced themselves before breaching the door to Breonna Taylor's apartment.
Exactly. Ham sandwich. It is the AG's evidentiary choice, not the facts that dictated the Grand Jury finding. And that the AG chose from competing statements the one most favorable to the police is not surprising and the whole issue. Of.course, stupid people and intellectually dishonest poltroons will pretend his word is somehow gospel.
The Prosecutor did not “ choose from competing statements”, the members of the grand jury did.
You have missed the point of the Ham Sandwich.
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It would have been unethical to withhold exculpatory evidence that could lead to acquittal at a trial.
Indeed. But that is not the issue. The AG never got to the point of providing g or withholding exculpatory evidence to the defense. He is under no duty to present exculpatory evidence to the Grand Jury.

You so ignore that the statement proclaimed by the AG is not supported by a Grand Jury finding. The Grand Jury does not make specific factual findings.  It merely determines whether and who to indict and.the charges.
You are having trouble fashioning a narrative you like.
Of course the whole purpose of the grand jury is to indict or not.  It weighs the evidence presented and makes a decision.
Even if the Prosecutor has no duty to present exculpatory evidence it would be pretty stupid to so because it could lead to an acquittal from an unnecessary trial.  It is also unethical.  In this case the prosecutor knew of contradicting evidence of whether or not the police knocked on the door and identified themselves.
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« Reply #51209 on: September 24, 2020, 03:18:16 PM »

Mitch McConnell's thievery exposed, again:Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's (R-KY) re-election campaign is facing scrutiny from the Federal Election Commission (FEC) and he is now being required to answer questions regarding suspected accounting errors.

The letter and a 60-page report, written by FEC campaign analyst Susan Worthington to McConnell's Senate Committee, were sent to McConnell's campaign treasurer, Larry J. Steinberg on Monday. The committee pointed out "Apparent Excessive, Prohibited, and Impermissible Contributions" regarding donations recorded in McConnell's July quarterly report that suggests multiple contributions may have exceeded the legal limits.

Worthington also pointed out that there were contributions "received after the 2020 primary election that are designated for the 2020 primary.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/mitch-mcconnell-election-campaign-slapped-143605136.html
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