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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[LarryBnDC]

Sonuvabitch...

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a34357091/mitch-mcconnell-laugh-covid-relief-kentucky-senate-debate/

[bodiddley]

Rudy Giuliani, at a meeting with ~75 Trump supporters, told the audience that "people don't die of this anymore."

In other words, the Trump inner circle has learned the exact wrong lesson from Trump, Christie, other WH personnel and GOP senators getting infected.

If you have ready access to testing and can get quick results, and your early diagnosis allows you to be treated with experimental anti-virus drugs very early on, then your chance of survival is quite good.  Even fatsos like Trump and Christie usually rebound with such top medical attention.

The reality is most ordinary people will not be tested right away (the contact tracing in the US is pretty limited and mostly inept).  They will develop symptoms and build up a significant viral load before they get tested, their test results might take days or a week or more.  And then access to remdesivir or regeneron or other such treatments is not likely.  Meaning most folks will suffer through flu-like symptoms on their own, while some of them will get worse and need to be hospitalized and some of those will die.

The kind of care Trump got is almost certainly exceptional and far from the norm.  not even to get into that this was probably one strain passed on by Hope Hicks, and could easily have been a less potent or slower replicating variety.

Of course, Rudy like Trump is just bullshitting in the run up to the election.  But if that's the Trump Admin takeaway, it's misguided and dangerous and pathetic.

[kiidcarter8]

Thats a fine endorsement for the Trump-led road to current therapeutics, Bo.  Thanks for that.  Maybe you should be quicker to push for greater access to the remdesivir, eh?

As for getting tested - its not at all hard.  Don't paint the incorrect picture.  State your symptoms - request a test.

Maybe you mean like its hard to VOTE in person.   Heh. 

[josh]

Senator Leahy - exhibit A on why we need term limits.

The people that vote for him don't think so.

Unless he is challenged in primary Leahy is safe in that area.  They are voting PARTY, not man

Addendum - I see upon research there HAS been a primary challenger in 2004, 2010 and 2016.  Not sure if there was a serious man among them.

That's because they are voting for the man, dipshit.

As usual, you know nothing of what you are saying. Vermont chooses based on the person more than almost any other state in America (and maybe any, but why stick my neck out), which is why they get GOP folks for governor and why they had senators from different parties, then reelected their GOP senator when he changed parties - they voted for HIM and not for the party.

They used to be who you think they are, a single party state. They went 107 years without electing a member of the Democratic Party to be governor. But the end of that string, in 1963, was also the last time a member of one party succeeded another member of the same party. They've alternated parties in the governorship ever since.

One of the people Leahy beat was Richard Snelling, a four term GOP governor who lost to Leahy, then came back to win the governorship again, three terms later.

If it were only party, they would never have elected Bernie Sanders, first mayor, then US Rep, then US Senator. (And they chose not to elect Sanders governor against Snelling's successor, when Snelling ran for the Senate.)

[josh]

Trump again trends up

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

And now back down again.

Kid, don't you get it? You're being had.

I think there is a +/- 3 points you have to build in there

Thus the -6 from Monday would be -3 to -9 and today's would be -5 to -11.

Similar.

"I think" is a gross overstatement.

I've pointed out multiple times when their shift from one day to the next has exceeded the +/- of their claimed margin of error.

But more to the point, Kid, there is no long term consistency to their results other than a steady roller coaster effect. Either their respondents are the most fickle people in America or they are making up their numbers. Otherwise you would have seen vacillation like that in other such polls.

[Yankguy1]

Senator Leahy - exhibit A on why we need term limits.

The people that vote for him don't think so.

Unless he is challenged in primary Leahy is safe in that area.  They are voting PARTY, not man

Addendum - I see upon research there HAS been a primary challenger in 2004, 2010 and 2016.  Not sure if there was a serious man among them.

That's because they are voting for the man, dipshit.

As usual, you know nothing of what you are saying. Vermont chooses based on the person more than almost any other state in America (and maybe any, but why stick my neck out), which is why they get GOP folks for governor and why they had senators from different parties, then reelected their GOP senator when he changed parties - they voted for HIM and not for the party.

They used to be who you think they are, a single party state. They went 107 years without electing a member of the Democratic Party to be governor. But the end of that string, in 1963, was also the last time a member of one party succeeded another member of the same party. They've alternated parties in the governorship ever since.

One of the people Leahy beat was Richard Snelling, a four term GOP governor who lost to Leahy, then came back to win the governorship again, three terms later.

If it were only party, they would never have elected Bernie Sanders, first mayor, then US Rep, then US Senator. (And they chose not to elect Sanders governor against Snelling's successor, when Snelling ran for the Senate.)

Kid knows as much about this subject as he does polling.

[kiidcarter8]

Trump again trends up

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

And now back down again.

Kid, don't you get it? You're being had.

I think there is a +/- 3 points you have to build in there

Thus the -6 from Monday would be -3 to -9 and today's would be -5 to -11.

Similar.

"I think" is a gross overstatement.

I've pointed out multiple times when their shift from one day to the next has exceeded the +/- of their claimed margin of error.

But more to the point, Kid, there is no long term consistency to their results other than a steady roller coaster effect. Either their respondents are the most fickle people in America or they are making up their numbers. Otherwise you would have seen vacillation like that in other such polls.

You think they call the same people every day?  What's wrong with you?

What "other polls" do you speak of?

You know Rasmussen's numbers I link to are strong approve vs strong disapprove, right - not election polling.

[kiidcarter8]

Kid knows as much about this subject as he does polling.


Hey yank - there's a baseball game tonight -

[Yankguy1]

Kid knows as much about this subject as he does polling.


Hey yank - there's a baseball game tonight -

I'm an adult, nitwit.  Trash talk is for children.

[kiidcarter8]

"Tanaka out"


Yankguy:  "He'll have until '21 to get better."

[Yankguy1]

And?  What exactly are you trying to say?

[bodiddley]

Thats a fine endorsement for the Trump-led road to current therapeutics, Bo.  Thanks for that.  Maybe you should be quicker to push for greater access to the remdesivir, eh?

As far as I can tell, the Trump Admin has done a decent job, possibly even good, on  vaccines.  And the US medical system is top notch and the therapeutics and care is impressive.  I'm not sure the trump Admin deserves much credit there, but maybe.
Remdesivir has been shown to shorten the length of CV illness and has received emergency approval, I believe.  How many have access to it and at what cost and insurance coverage, etc I don't know.

Weren't you a big booster of hydroxychloraquine a while back?   
Always best to stick with the science and proven results.

As for getting tested - its not at all hard.  Don't paint the incorrect picture.  State your symptoms - request a test.

As far as I understand it depends where you live.  Also I've read that if a doctor says you should get tested that that is usually covered by insurance, but if you decide to get tested or your employer requires it most likely it's not covered.
Lots of folks having hard times and might not be able to pay for testing treatment.

I think the key for Trump and Christie was that they got tested early and got results right away, which allowed treatment to commence early.  And I don't think that is the common experience at all in the US. 

[kiidcarter8]

The metaphysical "tree falling in the forest" question is whether a schedule can be unfair if the games are not going to be played anyway.




-  Yankguy

July 7, 2020

[LarryBnDC]

Sheldon Whitehouse conducting a masterful summation on the crisis of dark money.

[bodiddley]

Money should have the same rights as people!