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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Hamilton Samuels

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #54390 on: October 24, 2020, 11:03:36 AM »

Texas could be the linchpin to getting rid of the Electoral College:

https://theweek.com/speedreads/945527/how-texas-could-linchpin-finally-dismantling-electoral-college

That's been my thought since 2016.

But... given the direction things seem to be headed in, will the Dems want it to go away this time?

We got an overwhelming bi-partisan majority of the House to support getting rid of it in 1969, with both Nixon and Humphrey endorsing the measure. But the southern senators blocked it, fearing to lose power. (And given that it was Wallace that the move was in response to, just imaging their deeper motivation.)

But, if we were to get rid of the EC, we'd better offer something of substance to the paranoid middle of the country.

Those middle of the country voters are who put us in this shit.

They’ll get policies that will tangibly make their lives better but they’ll resist because hey! ‘Murica!’


If Dems have the power to make such a move they ought to just do it.

In many situations it is better to beg forgiveness than ask permission.

At the end of the day they are a part of America and deserve as much of a voice as anyone in Anacostia or South Chicago or East LA or North Philly.

It's well past time, too, for Black and Hispanic men to vote. Hopefully, they are this election.

In 2016, 64% of eligible Black women said they voted, compared with 54% of eligible Black men. The gender gap among White voters was far smaller (3 percentage points). Still, White men and White women were more likely to say they voted than their Black counterparts (67% of White women and 64% of White men in 2016).

Hispanic women outvoted Hispanic men by about 5 points in 2016 (50% vs. 45%). However, the gender gap among Hispanic voters has not been consistent. At times in the past several decades, Hispanic men and Hispanic women have said they voted at roughly similar shares. Among Asian Americans, there has been no consistent gender gap as long as the trend has been measured. (Due to the relatively small size of the Asian American sample, voter turnout data on Asian Americans only goes back to 1992.)


Perhaps those lower turnouts among minority groups are due to feeling that their vote doesn't matter. That is a situation that I think we don't want any American to feel, no matter where they are from or who they are.


I think that getting rid of the EC makes for a fairer system, and making it even more fair, would be to use rank-choice voting.

After all, this is a nation in which people love to rate things, be they restaurants, exterminators, dry cleaners, plumbers, hotels, amusement parks, etc.

Giving voters a chance to rank the candidates seems to afford a more democratic method of electing officials. It also seems to create a level of accountability that escapes winner take all election processes.

I'd like to know more about the long term effects of RC voting, as I am sure the pols have figured out at least one way to game it, but on the surface it seems to be more representative and more inclusive a system than the winner-take-all approach.
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« Reply #54391 on: October 24, 2020, 11:06:18 AM »

Bush might have initiated ending the Shuttle program, which was foolish, but the Shuttle program was terminated on Obama's watch, and Rockwell should have been saved. All of the money that went to Space X, and to Russia, etc, could have went to Rockwell and could have saved jobs in my hometown. And I know Boeing is to blame too. My hometown was a beautiful, proud area, now it is a ghetto with a high crime-rate. And it is happening all over America. Once proud areas are turning into ghettos. Once proud people are now unemployed and ashamed. It sucks. Americans love to work, and Americans love to do great things. And America has always been so proud of NASA and our space program, and putting men on the moon was awesome, and my hometown was so proud of the Shuttles. We need leaders who will bring back our pride. We want to do great things, and we want to be proud of our accomplishments. America is a land of achievers.

Salute,

Tony V.

And yet, you've personally achieved very little.

How sad that you've wasted so many opportunities.

Perhaps you should consider looking within, instead of looking to be led.

Sheep.

Come on, UNO.

Most of us just function as best we can.

Sorry, Larry, but for years this dude has been springing his grandiose ideas on the rest of us, while at the same time revealing how little he actually has accomplished in life, while blaming others for that circumstance.  If that is his "best", it ain't very good, and I don't have to like it.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #54392 on: October 24, 2020, 11:08:31 AM »

https://secondnexus.com/pat-robertson-trump-end-times

Oh, Pat. Why do we keep listening to you?!

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« Reply #54393 on: October 24, 2020, 11:11:38 AM »

At last! Our long national tragedy is drawing to a close.

https://mcbroken.com/

Now. NOW we can find a McDonald's whose ice cream machine is not broken!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #54394 on: October 24, 2020, 11:12:11 AM »

Tell us again, Ward and Kid, how Obama hurt America's standing in the world compared to Bush and how Trump strengthened it.


Tell you again?

Can you quote me from the other time?

heh

I guess you are asking me to defend someone else's position - or one you just made up

No, thanks.
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« Reply #54395 on: October 24, 2020, 11:24:31 AM »

Tell us again, Ward and Kid, how Obama hurt America's standing in the world compared to Bush and how Trump strengthened it.


Tell you again?

Can you quote me from the other time?

heh

I guess you are asking me to defend someone else's position - or one you just made up

No, thanks.

I can't easily provide you with a quote, Kid, but only by the good graces of our having lost ready access to our older conversations. That and the sucky search engine on this puppy.

If you want to pretend you have not made such complaints, I cannot stop you. But we know it's pretense.

(NOTE: A careful search finds that we have ONE post with Trump mentioned in it in the last 1000 days.)
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« Reply #54396 on: October 24, 2020, 11:28:12 AM »

Thumb up to many posts since Friday afternoon.   On education,  where Bo and Josh and Uno made points,  I think also looking at stable homes where parents can limit video games and foster varieties of inventive play and cultural experiences that help build a wider range of cognitive and imaginative skills.   We need a cultural swing back to children learning to amuse themselves rather than just hand them off to prepackaged corporate systems of digital entertainment.  A zillion psych studies support this.   

EC -- James Madison was right.  Sux!  But really,  a Westminster system might be better.   Most people lack the knowledge to pick a president.   Populists howl to hear anyone say that, but look who populists picked last time.   Let our elected representatives vote in a president or pm.   Then you can concentrate your info gathering on your congress person, and skip the three ring circus and horseshit festival of POTUS picking.   However,  we could have a national pop vote for a position titled Charisma Figurehead, who makes inspiring speeches, cuts ribbons, and does diplomacy meets with world leaders.   That way,  the pm can get stuff done.
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« Reply #54397 on: October 24, 2020, 11:34:00 AM »

I have no problem with Tony being a dreamer.   I'd prefer he post to threads that fit the topic.   Sometimes your vineyard where you live with a Monacan princess is not all that relevant to the Trump administration.  "Meander" is perfect for that,  however.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #54399 on: October 24, 2020, 12:46:16 PM »

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/trump-cleaned-bidens-clock-on-race/

In their oh-so-unbiased opinions, but not that of anybody with a shred of neutrality.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #54401 on: October 24, 2020, 12:50:31 PM »

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/ballots-can-t-be-tossed-out-over-voter-signature-court-n1244585

PA unanimous Supreme Court decision, 7-0, w/two GOP-appointed justices voting w/the five Dem-appointed ones.
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« Reply #54402 on: October 24, 2020, 01:02:41 PM »

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/ballots-can-t-be-tossed-out-over-voter-signature-court-n1244585

PA unanimous Supreme Court decision, 7-0, w/two GOP-appointed justices voting w/the five Dem-appointed ones.

The one big thing that really scares me about this election is voter supression.

IMO in a fair election where all the votes are tallied Biden should win handily, and Trump and his people know this. So they will turn to voter supression and intimidation and every manner to stifle the voice and votes of the American people. Fuck-up the USPS, slow the mails, close polling places, challenge mail-in voting, intimidate voters etc.

IMO not only do they want to stay in office and stay in power, but also stay out of court and stay out of jail.

We are dealing with corrupt fucking fascists and criminals who want to impose a minority rule and kill our democracy.

VOTE


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« Reply #54403 on: October 24, 2020, 01:13:29 PM »

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1319755456496193537

"We're not going to have a socialist president. Especially any female."
~Donald J. Trump

Tell me again how he is not a misogynist. Go ahead.
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« Reply #54404 on: October 24, 2020, 01:42:58 PM »

NO GIRLZ ALLOWD!

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