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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[barton]

https://www.9news.com.au/world/coronavirus-texas-prisoners-on-3-dollars-an-hour-load-bodies-into-coronavirus-morgues/dae01cae-be64-402d-812c-f0e12c7c89bb

  Leading US epidemiologist Eric Feigl-Ding described the footage of prisoners pushing gurneys carrying bodies inside large refrigerated trailers as "chilling"...

Word choice matters.   

[kidcarter8]

Seriously,
Is there any way...voter fraud (organised or not), mail fraud, electoral office fraud state or federal...any possible way, under the current system, that Trump won the election by millions of votes or any number of votes?
Rudy was shown on my tv tonite saying it is true.
Also another official looking woman on my tv tonite was saying it.

No.  Isn't it obvious Trump is saying whatever it takes to save face?  He alleged fraud months before the actual election so of course now he wants there to be evidence to back up his claims.  There is no evidence.

He said in 2016 that the election that year would be fraudulent (because like this year he did not think he could win) and there was no evidence of it then either.

He is a sore loser.  How is this not obvious?

Well, there was certainly no discernible fraud in 2016 - or Clinton's folk would have found it.

Yes, Bambu, there is a possibility there was a concerted effort here via big city poll workers, behind the scenes operatives and voting machine manipulation

This is what Rudy and his group are currently looking at.

This post contains distortions of truth.

[bodiddley]

In fact the bulk of my understanding of this conflict has come from my own googling after seeing the march and your posts.
This is sadly a non-story here.

It's a small corner of the world, and the larger powers continue to manipulate the small transcaucasian countries, as they have for centuries.

Nagorno-Karabakh was part of Azerbaijan but had a mixed Azeri/Armenian population during the USSR days. the Armenians basically ethnic cleansed the Azeris in the early 90's when Armenia won the war.
Of course a lot of Azeris all fled.  Azerbaijan started the recent war to regain the territory lost 27 years ago.  And got more than half of its lost territory, maybe 2/3rds.  Armenians still control most of Nagorno Karabakh proper, but lost all the surrounding buffer land.

For those keeping score at home:

Georgia = US-aligned democracy.  Somewhat messy country with lots of grey market activity.  Two frozen conflicts with Russian troops maintaining de facto independence on Georgia territory.  For all practical purposes Abkhazia, the former Georgian Riviera, is part of Russia and Georgia will never reclaim it.  Being strongly anti-Russia, pro-America in that region is tough.  Good thing the Turks come to Georgia's Black Sea resorts to gamble and drink.

Azerbaijan: Turkish-backed dictatorship, with oil money.  Father and son only two rulers since 1991 independence.   Azeris are a Turkic people with a language and culture close to Turkish.
There's a large Azeri population in northwest Iran, which has more Azeris than Azerbaijan.
Basically in the mid-19th C, the Azeri lands were split between Russia and Iran.  Azerbaijan is the Russian northern half.

Armenia: mostly-Russia supported.  Though Putin doesn't like the current leader who came to power via huge opposition protests (against the corrupt Russia-friendly ex-leader).
Dry, dusty north, and lush green highlands in the south. 
Enemy of Turkey.
The western half of traditional Armenia is in present day Turkey.  The Armenian genocide at the end of WWI was about ethnically cleansing the Armenians out of the region (and punishing them for not their supporting colonial Ottoman Empire rulers).

[barton]

Well, there was certainly no discernible fraud in 2016 - or Clinton's folk would have found it.

Yes, Bambu, there is a possibility there was a concerted effort here via big city poll workers, behind the scenes operatives and voting machine manipulation

This is what Rudy and his group are currently looking at.

"People lie,  evidence doesn't."  -- Gil Grissom,  CSI

There's a reason courts keep rejecting these suits.    No evidence.

Far Right conspiracy nuts,  tweeting madly,  are not evidence.   Except of The Cult of the Sore Loser.

[bodiddley]

And yes, Georgia and Armenia are ancient Christian countries; Azerbaijan is Muslim.
But in all of them religion seemed more a matter of historical and cultural pride, with Soviet rule for 70 years bleeding the faith out of the populace.  Maybe that's putting it too strongly. but I think in Azerbaijan, it's a rather secular Muslim country much as Iraq was under Saddam, or Turkey prior to Erdogan.  Something to research ...

A victory by an Islamic country over a more or less modern Christian democracy is rare these days.

As for Muslims defeating Christians in recent history:
- Afghanistan seems to do a good job of winning by losing (against both Russia and the US).
Sure the US won the war, but the Taliban is negotiating to run the country again.
- Kosovo is made up of ethnic Albanian Muslims.  Though Kosovo only won against Orthodox Christian Serbs through the intercession of (Christian) NATO bombing
- Turkey defeated Greece to take over the northern half of Cyprus in 1974.
- The Lebanese civil war in the 70's was complicated, but basically the Syrian supported Muslims defeated the Western-aligned Christians.
- for decades Sudan dominated and defeated Christian rebels in the south.  But now there's South Sudan, which is Christian and animist, so they ultimately won.

[kidcarter8]

A quick summation:

No coordinated national strategy on dealing with CV-19 and reducing transmission.

Trump proclaimed that he took no responsibility for the virus handling and infections.

Apparently Jared came up with the blame the governors approach when the disease was largely confined to NY, CA, NJ, MA and a few other Blue states.  Stupidly without realizing it'd be heading to Red states soon enough, and be even worse there since the Trump Admin politicized masks and other precautions.

Cynically they figured Trump could take credit if the disease was contained, and dodge it if/when it wasn't because he decided not to be involved.  Reportedly the main goal was to protect stock market valuation -- that's right, to protect wealthy people's wealth over average people's health.

A link to this would be nice

[Kam]

Yes, Bambu, there is a possibility there was a concerted effort here via big city poll workers, behind the scenes operatives and voting machine manipulation.

There is no evidence for this.

[oilcan]

A quick summation:

No coordinated national strategy on dealing with CV-19 and reducing transmission.

Trump proclaimed that he took no responsibility for the virus handling and infections.

Apparently Jared came up with the blame the governors approach when the disease was largely confined to NY, CA, NJ, MA and a few other Blue states.  Stupidly without realizing it'd be heading to Red states soon enough, and be even worse there since the Trump Admin politicized masks and other precautions.

Cynically they figured Trump could take credit if the disease was contained, and dodge it if/when it wasn't because he decided not to be involved.  Reportedly the main goal was to protect stock market valuation -- that's right, to protect wealthy people's wealth over average people's health.

A link to this would be nice

Links to thousands of news reports detailing what's been happening the past ten months while you had your head stuffed way up your ass the whole time?   Not a reasonable request IMO. 

[luee]

A victory by an Islamic country over a more or less modern Christian democracy is rare these days.

You know what they say When Jesus slacks... Islam whacks!

Never heard that one, Turkey now seems to be on the reach to pick off what it can get.

[Kam]

A quick summation:

No coordinated national strategy on dealing with CV-19 and reducing transmission.

Trump proclaimed that he took no responsibility for the virus handling and infections.

Apparently Jared came up with the blame the governors approach when the disease was largely confined to NY, CA, NJ, MA and a few other Blue states.  Stupidly without realizing it'd be heading to Red states soon enough, and be even worse there since the Trump Admin politicized masks and other precautions.

Cynically they figured Trump could take credit if the disease was contained, and dodge it if/when it wasn't because he decided not to be involved.  Reportedly the main goal was to protect stock market valuation -- that's right, to protect wealthy people's wealth over average people's health.

A link to this would be nice

Here’s a peer-reviewed, academically rigorous link explaining all the information you need.

[josh]

Seriously,
Is there any way...voter fraud (organised or not), mail fraud, electoral office fraud state or federal...any possible way, under the current system, that Trump won the election by millions of votes or any number of votes?
Rudy was shown on my tv tonite saying it is true.
Also another official looking woman on my tv tonite was saying it.

No.  Isn't it obvious Trump is saying whatever it takes to save face?  He alleged fraud months before the actual election so of course now he wants there to be evidence to back up his claims.  There is no evidence.

He said in 2016 that the election that year would be fraudulent (because like this year he did not think he could win) and there was no evidence of it then either.

He is a sore loser.  How is this not obvious?

How is this appreciably different?

(This is a sincere question, Kam.)

[kidcarter8]

I will remind everyone the BIDEN team had their fraud detectors out as well, particularly with their team of lawyers in Florida.

Campaigns are ready when elections are close - so this "delay" shouldn't even be unexpected.  Especially not so during this time of shifting rules due to COVID.

New voting rules + close loss automatically equals "hmmmmmmmm....".  Pretty much sums it up.

Re:  the lawsuits thrown out, this is also not uncommon.  It's a bit of a volume business.

[kidcarter8]

A quick summation:

No coordinated national strategy on dealing with CV-19 and reducing transmission.

Trump proclaimed that he took no responsibility for the virus handling and infections.

Apparently Jared came up with the blame the governors approach when the disease was largely confined to NY, CA, NJ, MA and a few other Blue states.  Stupidly without realizing it'd be heading to Red states soon enough, and be even worse there since the Trump Admin politicized masks and other precautions.

Cynically they figured Trump could take credit if the disease was contained, and dodge it if/when it wasn't because he decided not to be involved.  Reportedly the main goal was to protect stock market valuation -- that's right, to protect wealthy people's wealth over average people's health.

A link to this would be nice

Here’s a peer-reviewed, academically rigorous link explaining all the information you need.

Thanks

But I want the piece where Bo got his info,

[Kam]

Seriously,
Is there any way...voter fraud (organised or not), mail fraud, electoral office fraud state or federal...any possible way, under the current system, that Trump won the election by millions of votes or any number of votes?
Rudy was shown on my tv tonite saying it is true.
Also another official looking woman on my tv tonite was saying it.

No.  Isn't it obvious Trump is saying whatever it takes to save face?  He alleged fraud months before the actual election so of course now he wants there to be evidence to back up his claims.  There is no evidence.

He said in 2016 that the election that year would be fraudulent (because like this year he did not think he could win) and there was no evidence of it then either.

He is a sore loser.  How is this not obvious?

How is this appreciably different?

(This is a sincere question, Kam.)

Are you asking how 2016 and 2020 are different? 

OR

Are you asking how me responding is different from you responding?

If it's the latter ..
- I plan to respond once (hopefully avoiding the long quote trees that devolve into back and forth re-stating of opinions)
- and also hope not to get into a who can piss-off the other person the most exercise. 

[josh]

Seriously,
Is there any way...voter fraud (organised or not), mail fraud, electoral office fraud state or federal...any possible way, under the current system, that Trump won the election by millions of votes or any number of votes?
Rudy was shown on my tv tonite saying it is true.
Also another official looking woman on my tv tonite was saying it.

No.  Isn't it obvious Trump is saying whatever it takes to save face?  He alleged fraud months before the actual election so of course now he wants there to be evidence to back up his claims.  There is no evidence.

He said in 2016 that the election that year would be fraudulent (because like this year he did not think he could win) and there was no evidence of it then either.

He is a sore loser.  How is this not obvious?

How is this appreciably different?

(This is a sincere question, Kam.)

Are you asking how 2016 and 2020 are different? 

OR

Are you asking how me responding is different from you responding?

The latter.