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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

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"In hindsight, [the government shutdown] didn't help us. You have to ignore reality to say anything different. It didn't help us. The deal we ended up with now is worse than we had before the shutdown."

- GOP Rep Chris Stewart.

Enter kidcarter8/Huckster: $3 Billion!

[josh]

Larry......seeing the light on the 3 bil

Nice.

Selective reading, Kiiid?

"Even if..." is the same as "for the sake of the discussion."

But you know that, you amoral hypocrite.

[oilcan]

Speaking truth to Tony:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/13/why-united-states-will-never-have-high-speed-rail/?utm_term=.20c81c3d9bff

I've heard these reason in various separate places before, but this writer brings it all together in one dismal picture.

[josh]

http://www.dailytargum.com/article/2019/02/white-teachers-three-times-more-negative-with-black-students-rutgers-study-finds

White teachers are three times more negative with black students than with white.

[josh]

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/2/11/18220082/insects-extinction-bological-conservation

The mass die off of insects hurts far more than just insects.

[kidcarter8]

Yes

3 bil is less than 5.7 bil

Big "loss", even if the funding helps boost his border security profile.

Not so bad for 2 years work, actually.

Not bad?

In January he had a deal for $25 billion for the wall...  even if you give him $3bil “your side” is down $22 bil.

No matter how you spin it, the GOP got clowned.

Worse than the numbers difference, the $25 Billion in approved wall funding was a blank check for Trump to build whatever wall he wanted. 

Why do you insist on spouting absurdity?

[whiskeypriest]

Yes

3 bil is less than 5.7 bil

Big "loss", even if the funding helps boost his border security profile.

Not so bad for 2 years work, actually.

Not bad?

In January he had a deal for $25 billion for the wall...  even if you give him $3bil “your side” is down $22 bil.

No matter how you spin it, the GOP got clowned.

Worse than the numbers difference, the $25 Billion in approved wall funding was a blank check for Trump to build whatever wall he wanted. 

Why do you insist on spouting absurdity?

Because it is not absurd. Schumer offered 25 bil for a wall with DACA. Trump accepted and then changed his mind and demanded curbs to legal immigration. He got bupkis as a result. Before the shutdown he had 1.6 billion to extend existing walls 60 some miles. Now he gets 1.375 bil for 55 miles of extensions using "existing technology". I realize your desperate need for a Trump win you are trying to revise the issue to "border security " generally, but it is not. Dems have always been willing to talk  order security funding. It was the wall that was the non starter. Trump was never willing to make the issue border security generally, and harshly criticized both Pence and Mulvaney for trying to broker.a.deal on that basis. He demanded his wall or nothing. He is not getting any funding.for his wall, and less funding for any barrier than he could have had in December.  It is not a win for him. Congressional leaders met and hammered out a deal through negotiations and compromise despite Trump. I think that is a moderately encouraging sign.

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Yes

3 bil is less than 5.7 bil

Big "loss", even if the funding helps boost his border security profile.

Not so bad for 2 years work, actually.

Not bad?

In January he had a deal for $25 billion for the wall...  even if you give him $3bil “your side” is down $22 bil.

No matter how you spin it, the GOP got clowned.

Worse than the numbers difference, the $25 Billion in approved wall funding was a blank check for Trump to build whatever wall he wanted. 

Why do you insist on spouting absurdity?

Surprised you were paying so little attention at the time.  This is Trump’s signature issue after all.

Trump had a deal on the table that exchanged a path to citizenship for 1.8 million Dreamers for the full $25 Billion he wanted for his wall.  For a WALL, as in making  one of those mock-ups he had built a reality.

Instead he was convinced by Miller and Kelly to kill the deal because it didn’t do enough to curb legal immigration.  And now he has $0 for building that WALL.

[kiidcarter8]

The Path for Dreamers was killed by the Dems.

[josh]

The Path for Dreamers was killed by the Dems.

Revisionist history.

[FlyingVProd]

Speaking truth to Tony:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/13/why-united-states-will-never-have-high-speed-rail/?utm_term=.20c81c3d9bff

I've heard these reason in various separate places before, but this writer brings it all together in one dismal picture.

Sad. One reason why I supported Newsome was that he supported our high speed rail project, now he is backing off, and he wants to just build it between Merced and Bakersfield. Which some people would consider a train to nowhere, and a waste of money.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/central-valley-high-speed-rail-merced-bakersfield-13610732.php

And meanwhile, drivers in Los Angeles County are stuck in gridlock traffic jams. We should have started by building the high speed train between Lancaster and Los Angeles, and then we could have went from there. The current highway system is clogged, and we cannot just add another lane to the highways, it is beyond that. We are going to have to get people out of their cars and onto some form of mass transit. The high speed trains and subways are in our future, if we are wise. The population continues to grow, and the highways are over-crowded and the highways will just become more over-crowded.

I wish that Newsome had more vision. If they think it is expensive now to build high speed rail, then it will only be more expensive in the future. We should have put forth a huge effort, working on several locations at once, and we should have built our high speed train as quickly as we could. I hate to see us throw in the towel.

There is still hope of getting our high speed train between Anaheim and Las Vegas...

https://patch.com/nevada/across-nv/high-speed-rail-project-las-vegas-anaheim-la-gets-boost

Hopefully we can start getting some cool high speed trains built, and hopefully as people ride them then we can get more support for high speed rail in the USA.

Another high speed rail route might be between New York City, and Washington, D.C..

I do not understand it. I do not know how people can be against high speed rail. And being stuck in your car in a traffic jam is not cool, and it will only get worse as our population continues to rise. We need alternative transportation.

Thanks for sharing the link.

Salute,

Tony V.

[bambu-wisdom]

Speaking truth to Tony:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/13/why-united-states-will-never-have-high-speed-rail/?utm_term=.20c81c3d9bff

I've heard these reason in various separate places before, but this writer brings it all together in one dismal picture.

Sad. One reason why I supported Newsome was that he supported our high speed rail project, now he is backing off, and he wants to just build it between Merced and Bakersfield. Which some people would consider a train to nowhere, and a waste of money.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/central-valley-high-speed-rail-merced-bakersfield-13610732.php

And meanwhile, drivers in Los Angeles County are stuck in gridlock traffic jams. We should have started by building the high speed train between Lancaster and Los Angeles, and then we could have went from there. The current highway system is clogged, and we cannot just add another lane to the highways. it is beyond that. We are going to have to get people out of their cars and onto some form of mass transit. The high speed trains and subways are in our future, if we are wise. The population continues to grow, and the highways are over-crowded and the highways will just become more over-crowded.

I wish that Newsome had more vision. If they think it is expensive now to build high speed rail, then it will only be more expensive in the future. We should have put forth a huge effort, working on several locations at once, and we should have built our high speed train as quickly as we could. I hate to see us throw in the towel.

There is still hope of getting our high speed train between Anaheim and Las Vegas...

https://patch.com/nevada/across-nv/high-speed-rail-project-las-vegas-anaheim-la-gets-boost

Hopefully we can start getting some cool high speed trains built, and hopefully as people ride them then we can get more support for high speed rail in the USA.

Another high speed rail route might be between New York City, and Washington, D.C..

I do not understand it. I do not know how people can be against high speed rail. And being stuck in your car in a traffic jam is not cool, and it will only get worse as our population continues to rise. We need alternative transportation.

Thanks for sharing the link.

Salute,

Tony V.

Best idea is for the population to decrease, not increase, then infrastructure would not be overloaded.
The infrastucture just gets to a nice comfortable level...then millions more immigrants [legal and illegal] pour in and everything is jammed again.
Massive immigration should be banned.

[bambu-wisdom]

Why Trump can't be locking up asylum-seeker children with adults;

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/warning-of-14000-asylum-seekers-ready-to-make-boat-journeys-from-indonesia/ar-BBTwqfv?li=AAgfYrC&OCID=AVRES000

Mr Porter said a refugee on Manus Island was facing sex abuse charges and someone on Nauru had been charged with indecently assaulting a child.         

[barton]

Tony, sounds like LA would be better off with ANY rail, be it slower trolleys or middling trains or whatever gets butts out of cars.  Oily's article sheds light on America's problems with HS rail, geographic, legal, political, and too many consultants.... but it might be possible to have middle speed systems in dense urban corridors that are still way better than driving in gridlock.  Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Also decreasing obesity will help.  If people are okay with walking a few blocks to a station, then transit lines are more feasible even if they don't go everywhere.  Walking, as adjunct to mass transit, should be promoted by communities.   When i have been in Europe, I've seen thinner healthier people walking way more and going on foot to transit stations. 

[FlyingVProd]

Bambu,

There will always be people coming to the USA for the American Dream. And, thus, we have to plan ahead when we build, and we need to plan on growth, and try to estimate the growth.

When we build water systems, and electrical systems, etc, we plan on the population growing, and we build accordingly. When Las Vegas was built, they knew that Vegas was going to be a boom town, they knew Vegas was going to be huge, and they planned when they built the Hoover Dam, etc. 

We need to do the same thing with our transportation. What we have is out-dated, and not only is our transportation system not suited for our current population, it certainly will not be enough for the growing population. Los Angeles has the worst traffic in the world, and you cannot just add another lane to the freeway. We need to not only build a transportation system for who we have, we need to build it to handle a growing population.

And also it creates jobs for people as we keep up with ever-changing growth.

Of note too, when they do stuff such as building a new water system in Flint, Michigan, they not only need to build for the current population, but they need to plan ahead to accommodate a growing population.

Los Angeles has the worst traffic in the world, and our population is growing, we need to meet current needs, while working to accommodate future needs. 

https://www.laweekly.com/news/la-has-the-worst-traffic-congestion-in-the-world-7953381

Salute,

Tony V.