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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[luee]

BHO was not an open borders guy except for Somalian Muslims, It seems to have become part of the democratic agenda when HRC was pushed  by Bernie to be more progressive. Abandoning her centrist roots probably lost her the unions, the mid-west, and ultimately the election.

[kidcarter8]

---Scaramucci: GOP may need to replace Trump for 2020---

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/457050-scaramucci-gop-may-need-to-replace-trump-for-2020

Make many happy. To separate his erratic and abrasive personality from party agenda. Is it realistic?

I think Mooch said HE was in favor of a new top of the ticket

Whether it’s necessary is debatable

I am undecided, as we need to first see the names of a potential replacement

[josh]

BHO was not an open borders guy except for Somalian Muslims, It seems to have become part of the democratic agenda when HRC was pushed  by Bernie to be more progressive. Abandoning her centrist roots probably lost her the unions, the mid-west, and ultimately the election.

zzzzzzzzzzzz

[NeedsAdjustments]

---Scaramucci: GOP may need to replace Trump for 2020---

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/457050-scaramucci-gop-may-need-to-replace-trump-for-2020

Make many happy. To separate his erratic and abrasive personality from party agenda. Is it realistic?

I think Mooch said HE was in favor of a new top of the ticket

Whether it’s necessary is debatable

I am undecided, as we need to first see the names of a potential replacement

The characterization of his statement was correct.  He is not stating a mere preference, but saying that the country may be headed toward disaster if Trump is allowed to stay in power past 2020.

Naturally, that is "debatable" but if you see the debate as not one of mere degrees, then you can only be so far into the bag for Trump that your continued claims to be "undecided" are laughable.

[NeedsAdjustments]

---Scaramucci: GOP may need to replace Trump for 2020---

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/457050-scaramucci-gop-may-need-to-replace-trump-for-2020

Make many happy. To separate his erratic and abrasive personality from party agenda. Is it realistic?

I think Mooch said HE was in favor of a new top of the ticket

Whether it’s necessary is debatable

I am undecided, as we need to first see the names of a potential replacement

The characterization of his statement was correct.  He is not stating a mere preference, but saying that the country may be headed toward disaster if Trump is allowed to stay in power past 2020.

Naturally, that is "debatable" but if you see the debate as not one of mere degrees, then you can only be so far into the bag for Trump that your continued claims to be "undecided" are laughable.

And to be clear, I generally don't hold the judgement of "Mooch" above anyone else's except that he is someone that for however short a time witnessed the workings of our "president" first hand.  I do, however, agree with his judgement on this.  And can't understand how any rational person who holds this country dear could possible think any other way.

[NeedsAdjustments]

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Yeah, about that.  Actually we only want immigrants you come here with money:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/politics/legal-immigration-public-charge/index.html

Making America Great Again.

[oilcan]

Once, long ago, I think we could have had a public conversation in the US about what we want immigrant policy to be.  The problem is that a lot of people have kind of vague and conflicting ideas, or just various mythologies.  If, as the administration suggests, we should only allow in people who don't need public assistance of any kind to establish themselves, then we should also look at what happens to people who are then in stuck in countries like Mexico, El Salvador, et al.  If we identify the problem as poverty and poor government in those places, what should be our role in helping to fix that?  The ultimate solution, if the goal is to diminish immigration from troubled spots, is to be part of fixing the trouble and help those nations be so hospitable to their inhabitants that they don't want to flee northward.  In other words, prevention tends to be better than cure.  And costs less, longterm.  Civilizations that lose the capacity to develop longterm solutions, and do everything on the short term, "management by crisis," method, don't tend to endure.

[NeedsAdjustments]

Once, long ago, I think we could have had a public conversation in the US about what we want immigrant policy to be.  The problem is that a lot of people have kind of vague and conflicting ideas, or just various mythologies.  If, as the administration suggests, we should only allow in people who don't need public assistance of any kind to establish themselves, then we should also look at what happens to people who are then in stuck in countries like Mexico, El Salvador, et al.  If we identify the problem as poverty and poor government in those places, what should be our role in helping to fix that?  The ultimate solution, if the goal is to diminish immigration from troubled spots, is to be part of fixing the trouble and help those nations be so hospitable to their inhabitants that they don't want to flee northward.  In other words, prevention tends to be better than cure.  And costs less, longterm.  Civilizations that lose the capacity to develop longterm solutions, and do everything on the short term, "management by crisis," method, don't tend to endure.

The premise underpinning the rule change, that immigrants are a burden to taxpayers, is pure mythology.

[josh]

Once, long ago, I think we could have had a public conversation in the US about what we want immigrant policy to be.  The problem is that a lot of people have kind of vague and conflicting ideas, or just various mythologies.  If, as the administration suggests, we should only allow in people who don't need public assistance of any kind to establish themselves, then we should also look at what happens to people who are then in stuck in countries like Mexico, El Salvador, et al.  If we identify the problem as poverty and poor government in those places, what should be our role in helping to fix that?  The ultimate solution, if the goal is to diminish immigration from troubled spots, is to be part of fixing the trouble and help those nations be so hospitable to their inhabitants that they don't want to flee northward.  In other words, prevention tends to be better than cure.  And costs less, longterm.  Civilizations that lose the capacity to develop longterm solutions, and do everything on the short term, "management by crisis," method, don't tend to endure.

The premise underpinning the rule change, that immigrants are a burden to taxpayers, is pure mythology.

But Luee likes it, just as he thinks we lack houses for the homeless.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/12/west-virginia-appalachia-miners-green-new-deal

[HamiltonIII]

I don't drink.

Maybe you should. It might kill the bug up your ass.

The beauty of HamiltonIII, or whatever name it happens to be posting under, is the complete lack of a sense irony it possesses.

TRANSLATION:
Yank likes to snack, but hates getting smacked back.

SAME as it ever was.

[josh]

I don't drink.

Maybe you should. It might kill the bug up your ass.

The beauty of HamiltonIII, or whatever name it happens to be posting under, is the complete lack of a sense irony it possesses.

SAME as it ever was.

Exactly right.

[kidcarter8]

I don't drink.

Maybe you should. It might kill the bug up your ass.

The beauty of HamiltonIII, or whatever name it happens to be posting under, is the complete lack of a sense irony it possesses.

IRONY!!!

[josh]

Why trying to convince racists that they are racists and climate deniers that the climate crisis is real are a waste of time:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds

Yes, that has been posted here before.

Yes, cognitive dissonance is real.

Yes, I know. It affects me, too.

But at least I admit it.

[Yankguy1]

I don't drink.

Maybe you should. It might kill the bug up your ass.

The beauty of HamiltonIII, or whatever name it happens to be posting under, is the complete lack of a sense irony it possesses.

IRONY!!!

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