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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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josh

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22695 on: October 29, 2019, 09:58:07 PM »


The Constitution does not prescribe the process by which the House exercises the power of impeachment.

LOL
It most certainly does.
Nancy Pelosi agrees, finally.

No.

But it most certainly does not prescribe the process by which the House exercises the power of inquiry prior to an impeachment!!
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« Reply #22696 on: October 29, 2019, 10:00:20 PM »

In 1970, House minority leader Gerald R. Ford attempted to initiate impeachment proceedings against Associate Justice William O. Douglas; the attempt included a 90-minute speech on the House floor.[22] The House did not vote to initiate proceedings.


Proceedings are not the same as inquiry.

Duh, Kid.

Ford did not want an inquiry - he already had all the facts he wanted (which is to say, none).
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« Reply #22697 on: October 29, 2019, 10:02:50 PM »

In 1970, House minority leader Gerald R. Ford attempted to initiate impeachment proceedings against Associate Justice William O. Douglas; the attempt included a 90-minute speech on the House floor.[22] The House did not vote to initiate proceedings.

Minority leader. As such he had no power, right or ability to initiate any proceedings on his own.
  Neither does the Speaker. Article 1 Section 2
LOL. Don't ever change. We need the laughs.

Nothing in the Constitution indicates you can use a.resolution to start impeachment proceedings either.
What it does say is the House(the entire body) has the sole power of impeachment.

And that they can establish their own rules for how to do it.

In this case, by hearings restricted to the designated committee members of both parties.

Because the Constitution allows them to do that, no matter how much you pretend to have an argument.
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« Reply #22698 on: October 29, 2019, 10:27:03 PM »

In 1970, House minority leader Gerald R. Ford attempted to initiate impeachment proceedings against Associate Justice William O. Douglas; the attempt included a 90-minute speech on the House floor.[22] The House did not vote to initiate proceedings.

Minority leader. As such he had no power, right or ability to initiate any proceedings on his own.
  Neither does the Speaker. Article 1 Section 2
LOL. Don't ever change. We need the laughs.

Nothing in the Constitution indicates you can use a.resolution to start impeachment proceedings either.
What it does say is the House(the entire body) has the sole power of impeachment.

And that they can establish their own rules for how to do it.

In this case, by hearings restricted to the designated committee members of both parties.

Because the Constitution allows them to do that, no matter how much you pretend to have an argument.
They and them?
You are getting closer.
Still not there, just yet.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22699 on: October 29, 2019, 10:33:29 PM »

Speaker/Majority Leader sets the rules and agenda, REDSTATEWARD.  Something routinely demonstrated in the Senate, where I am guessing you have little problem when that authority is used. 

Pelosi, in this case, following rules put in place partially by John Boehner.  Again, presumably given the (R) by his name that was ok with you at the time.

No, Pelosi can't declare the President impeached.  Yes, she needs to call a vote for that.  She doesn't need to call a vote to open a lawfully recognized and constitutional inquiry.

As a federal judge ruled just a few days ago.
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« Reply #22700 on: October 29, 2019, 10:33:36 PM »

Minority leader. As such he had no power, right or ability to initiate any proceedings on his own.


Thats not the important part of it
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« Reply #22701 on: October 29, 2019, 10:35:01 PM »

Minority leader. As such he had no power, right or ability to initiate any proceedings on his own.


Thats not the important part of it

LOL.  You didn't think so, which was the reason to point it out to you.
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« Reply #22702 on: October 29, 2019, 10:37:47 PM »

In 1970, House minority leader Gerald R. Ford attempted to initiate impeachment proceedings against Associate Justice William O. Douglas; the attempt included a 90-minute speech on the House floor   The House did not vote to initiate proceedings.



House didnt vote to initiate - and thus it died

This seems to indicate that a vote occurs prior to any initiation of hearings (Ford ATTEMPTED to initiate impeachment proceedings - no initiation since House wouldnt vote)
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« Reply #22703 on: October 29, 2019, 10:38:37 PM »

In 1970, House minority leader Gerald R. Ford attempted to initiate impeachment proceedings against Associate Justice William O. Douglas; the attempt included a 90-minute speech on the House floor   The House did not vote to initiate proceedings.



House didnt vote to initiate - and thus it died

This seems to indicate that a vote occurs prior to any initiation of hearings (Ford ATTEMPTED to initiate impeachment proceedings - no initiation since House wouldnt vote)

Because he was the fucking minority leader.
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« Reply #22704 on: October 29, 2019, 10:39:50 PM »

In 1970, House minority leader Gerald R. Ford attempted to initiate impeachment proceedings against Associate Justice William O. Douglas; the attempt included a 90-minute speech on the House floor.[22] The House did not vote to initiate proceedings.

Minority leader. As such he had no power, right or ability to initiate any proceedings on his own.
  Neither does the Speaker. Article 1 Section 2
LOL. Don't ever change. We need the laughs.

Nothing in the Constitution indicates you can use a.resolution to start impeachment proceedings either.
What it does say is the House(the entire body) has the sole power of impeachment.

And that they can establish their own rules for how to do it.

In this case, by hearings restricted to the designated committee members of both parties.
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Because the Constitution allows them to do that, no matter how much you pretend to have an argument.
They and them?
You are getting closer.
Still not there, just yet.


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« Reply #22705 on: October 29, 2019, 10:40:35 PM »

The fact that this is even a topic of conversation not only after Democrats announced their plans to hold public hearings, but after they carefully and transparently laid out the rules and process for bipartisan participation in those hearings, is evidence of how the bad faith spewing from GOP politicians has seeped into the soft brains of the Trumpists here.
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« Reply #22706 on: October 29, 2019, 10:50:15 PM »

In 1970, House minority leader Gerald R. Ford attempted to initiate impeachment proceedings against Associate Justice William O. Douglas; the attempt included a 90-minute speech on the House floor   The House did not vote to initiate proceedings.



House didnt vote to initiate - and thus it died

This seems to indicate that a vote occurs prior to any initiation of hearings (Ford ATTEMPTED to initiate impeachment proceedings - no initiation since House wouldnt vote)

Because he was the fucking minority leader.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22707 on: October 29, 2019, 10:50:48 PM »

In 1970, House minority leader Gerald R. Ford attempted to initiate impeachment proceedings against Associate Justice William O. Douglas; the attempt included a 90-minute speech on the House floor   The House did not vote to initiate proceedings.



House didnt vote to initiate - and thus it died

This seems to indicate that a vote occurs prior to any initiation of hearings (Ford ATTEMPTED to initiate impeachment proceedings - no initiation since House wouldnt vote)

Because he was the fucking minority leader.

Doesnt matter WHY they wouldnt vote.  This stipulates that there NEEDED to BE a vote in the House before proceding.

Do you have an issue with the text...the source?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #22708 on: October 29, 2019, 10:53:45 PM »

Speaker/Majority Leader sets the rules and agenda, REDSTATEWARD. 
Uh, no. Certainly not in Impeachment.
Article one, Section 2 makes that clear.

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« Reply #22709 on: October 29, 2019, 10:54:30 PM »

Speaker/Majority Leader sets the rules and agenda, REDSTATEWARD. 
Uh, no. Certainly not in Impeachment.
Article one, Section 2 makes that clear.

Take it up with the federal judge who ruled otherwise.
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