Escape from Elba

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Poll

What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


Pages: 1 ... 1723 1724 [1725] 1726 1727 ... 4288

Author Topic: Trump Administration  (Read 2102647 times)

facilitatorn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19804
  • Bust oligopolies not unions.
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25860 on: January 05, 2020, 01:56:05 PM »

Another is rule of law: we have established processes for how such things are to be handled. Trump chose to ignore the law. You seem to be fine with that.


Stop already...

Kid loves a lawless warlord who also fucks up mightily on domestic policy. It’s why he got his tits out for Cheney-Bush and why he puts out like a skeezy whore for team trump.
Logged
Republicans will deliver only poverty and world war

Hairy Lime

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8141
  • I'm not eating one iota of shit.
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25861 on: January 05, 2020, 02:30:23 PM »

Another is rule of law: we have established processes for how such things are to be handled. Trump chose to ignore the law. You seem to be fine with that.


Stop already...
So if Iran launches a drone attack to kill Mark Esper,  what would be wrong with that?
Logged
Who does this treachery? I shout with bleeding hand.

bambu.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7537
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25862 on: January 05, 2020, 02:46:32 PM »

One of them you seem to have grasped, then dismissed for no apparent reason: If this assassination leads to war, who will have caused those deaths?


Like the war with North Korea that Trump started

Iraqi parliament tells USA to get the fuck out...

When the enemy of your enemy is your enemy you’re doing something wrong and stupid.

Oh dear.
What to do?
Hmmm...Iraq has two sponsors, Iran, and USA.
Tricky.
Maybe tell Iraq that if it kicks USA out, ... when Iran/Russia arrive to govern and own it, USA will just be looking the other way.
Logged
The bad people lurk in the shadows, waiting to pounce...the moment you get security careless.

bambu.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7537
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25863 on: January 05, 2020, 02:51:11 PM »

In about 30 mins time, no 1 radio host, who's on vacation, and knows all, will be calling in to his radio show to give us his thoughts on the bushfires etc situation.

Yes, I know, "who cares?"  lol
Logged
The bad people lurk in the shadows, waiting to pounce...the moment you get security careless.

facilitatorn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19804
  • Bust oligopolies not unions.
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25864 on: January 05, 2020, 02:53:02 PM »

Hope he has his lozenges.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2020, 02:56:50 PM by facilitatorn »
Logged
Republicans will deliver only poverty and world war

bambu.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7537
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25865 on: January 05, 2020, 02:59:33 PM »

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/greta-thunberg-blasts-australian-leaders-for-their-response-to-bushfire-crisis/ar-BBYD1uW?li=AAgfYrC&OCID=AVRES000

Greta Thunberg blasts Australian leaders for their response to bushfire crisis

#####

Hasn't she gone back to school yet?



Logged
The bad people lurk in the shadows, waiting to pounce...the moment you get security careless.

bodiddley

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6538
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25866 on: January 05, 2020, 03:32:50 PM »

One of them you seem to have grasped, then dismissed for no apparent reason: If this assassination leads to war, who will have caused those deaths?


Like the war with North Korea that Trump started

You never seem to comprehend that NK & Iran are two very different situations and enemies.  Nobody with any knowledge or power or influence has advocated a US war with NK.  Mostly because they already have nukes, but also because 1/2 the population of SK is just across the border and lots of US troops are right there too.  Trump recently was shown a map of the Korean Peninsula and was shocked to learn the Seoul and tens of millions of South Koreans are way up north by the border. 

Otherwise there is little to gain form confronting NK -- they don't have oil, they barely have an economy -- even SK is in no hurry to merge with them even if it were possible.  And besides, being a paranoid autocracy, NK is unpredictable and there's nothing that would fill the void if the leadership was removed or the country defeated.

Iran otoh, actually has a functioning democracy subsisting beneath a theocratic layer, so there is already a political infrastructure that could take over if the mullahs and their revolutionary guard were removed from power.  Iran also has plenty of oil wealth -- I believe the 2nd largest proven reserves behind the Saudis.  And a functioning economy, though currently hit hard by economic sanctions, but still is a place where lots of Western countries would love to do business with. 
Iran also has a very youthful, restless population, plus many ethnic groups not exactly fond of the Shiite theocratic status quo. 

It's easy to see how one could talk themselves into invading Iran or otherwise trying to overthrow the religious gov't.  And indeed there have been plenty of folks, neo-cons, McCain, etc who have advocated invading Iran for decades now.  If Iraq had worked out as dreamed -- as some sort of ME oil colony of the US, making fists full of money for oil companies and not just weapons-makers, an Iran attack probably would have happened by now.

When Trump pulled out of the Nuclear Deal and pressured Euros to join the boycott, Iran was left with the worst hand -- not having a nuclear program which could be used as a bargaining chip or to develop nukes to prevent any attack, combined with harsh economic sanctions.  There only cards to play are using their proxies to disrupt things across the ME, and to cozy up to Russia (they are semi-allied in Syria) and China (a potential last resort buyer of Iranian oil).  And the final fallback is the large population and territory.

It's facile to equate North Korea and Iran simply because they are both US enemies.  They present very different problems.  I'd argue that war with either is unreasonable and dangerous and almost certainly counter-productive.  But a US war with Iran is is conceivable and could be ginned up.  And the Suleimani assassination could be the prelude.  A war with NK isn't on the table.
Logged
Good Gov't Saves Lives
 --- Bad Gov't Kills ---

kiidcarter8

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12267
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25867 on: January 05, 2020, 05:17:36 PM »

Iraqi parliament tells USA to get the fuck out...


We shall do what is best for US, not what is best for them.
Logged

kiidcarter8

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12267
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25868 on: January 05, 2020, 05:19:40 PM »

So if Iran launches a drone attack to kill Mark Esper,  what would be wrong with that?


I don't know - are we fiendishly plotting to kill innocent Iranians?
Logged

FlyingVProd

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5139
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25869 on: January 05, 2020, 05:39:23 PM »

The Colt Casino in Battle Mountain, Nevada, is looking for a Casino Host, they need someone cool like Dean Martin.

Send an email to:

[email protected]

Or Fax (509) 340-0861

Or pick up an application in person at the Casino.

The Colt Inn Casino

654 W. Front Street
Battle Mountain, Nevada

-----------------

I worked there for 2 years as a cook, it is a good place to get your foot in the door, and to get some experience, and then they will give you a letter of recommendation. They gave me a letter of recommendation that helped me to get into the AADA.

If you know someone who wants to be a Casino Host, it would be easy money for the right person.

Salute,

Tony V.
Logged

kiidcarter8

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12267
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25870 on: January 05, 2020, 06:10:13 PM »

You never seem to comprehend that NK & Iran are two very different situations and enemies. 


What in holy hell are you talking about?  Many paraded around spouting how Trump was welcoming a war with N Korea.  That was ridiculous talk.  Now the same is being said of Iran - that Trump wants the war.  I am ashamed to be compatriots of you all.
Logged

bodiddley

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6538
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25871 on: January 05, 2020, 06:22:46 PM »

What in holy hell are you talking about?  Many paraded around spouting how Trump was welcoming a war with N Korea.

What in holy hell are you talking about?

Who's this many?
For the most part, trump has gone out of his way to be nice to Kim.   

Read my post again and learn something.  Instead of being a trolling stooge.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2020, 06:25:46 PM by bodiddley »
Logged
Good Gov't Saves Lives
 --- Bad Gov't Kills ---

Yankguy1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4985
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25872 on: January 05, 2020, 06:27:46 PM »

You never seem to comprehend that NK & Iran are two very different situations and enemies. 


What in holy hell are you talking about?  Many paraded around spouting how Trump was welcoming a war with N Korea.  That was ridiculous talk.  Now the same is being said of Iran - that Trump wants the war.  I am ashamed to be compatriots of you all.
That's easy to remedy.
Logged
"What a beautiful buzz, what a beautiful buzz."

bodiddley

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6538
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25873 on: January 05, 2020, 06:33:10 PM »

The fact that Trump is impulsive, uninformed, easily insulted, and surrounded by military folk makes him a dangerous wildcard.  Fortunately he ran as an anti-war, isolationist candidate.  Plus he's a stable genius ...
Logged
Good Gov't Saves Lives
 --- Bad Gov't Kills ---

Hairy Lime

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8141
  • I'm not eating one iota of shit.
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25874 on: January 05, 2020, 07:18:11 PM »

So if Iran launches a drone attack to kill Mark Esper,  what would be wrong with that?


I don't know - are we fiendishly plotting to kill innocent Iranians?
Are we planning a drone.strike somewhere?

What if Iran claims he is?.Then it is ok?

There is a reason why extrajudicial executions are always an issue.
Logged
Who does this treachery? I shout with bleeding hand.
Pages: 1 ... 1723 1724 [1725] 1726 1727 ... 4288