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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

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Whistleblower testifying that almost 90,000 dead Americans and 36 million lost jobs (in two months) are at the feet of "president" Trump.

Uh...Obamagate!

[REDSTATEWARD]

What did the Obama Administration do with the "unmasking?"

Follow the documented evidence . The unmasking of Flynn started after Trump named  the General to become his National Security AdVisor in November of 2016.  This was just days after Obama personally advised Trump  not to. From the middle of November almost to Inauguration Day 50 unmasking requests were made by 39 Obama administration officials. The list was published yesterday.  Not all of them were granted. UN Ambassador Samantha Power asked 7 times.( later she said she doesn’t recall asking at all)
Joe Biden asked on January 8, 2017- a week before becoming a private citizen.
The now infamous Flynn/Kisylak meeting happened in December so why did the unmasking requests start in November. Simple. The spying on the Trump Campaign was doomed to fail if Flynn was National Security Advisor. He had to go. As soon as the Kislyak connection was made the classified info was leaked to the Washington Post( illegal, someone will be going to jail for that). At about the same time Jim Comey began his push to get a special prosecutor appointed(while coaxing FISA warrants by pushing a phoney dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton) to investigate “ collusion”, then Flynn was trapped into a lie, Jeff Sessions recused himself from overseeing the Investigation soon to be headed by Robert Mueller. Interestingly every Obama official called to testify before Congress(under oath) admitted they saw no collusion. Neither did Mueller when it was all over. 
Now we see the spotlight being turned on the hole hiding the gang of Obama partisans. Biden’s hilarious interview with ABC this week does not bode well for his or the party’s future.

None of this garbage provides an alternative answer to the question.  You can't even fashion a word salad of untruths that gets to the point.

All I can do is list the facts. I can’tmake you understand them.

What did the Obama Administration officials do with the unmasking?  What happened? 
They warned the incoming administration that Flynn was compromised, because he was.  And the FBI proceeded with a fully predicated investigation into Trump Campaign ties to Russia (which Flynn provided valuable info into, according to Mueller, and a report commissioned and run by Republicans.)

You need to diversify your research beyond DNC talking points.
As far as I can tell the unmasking of Flynn resulted in an illegal leak to the Washington Post of the Kisylak contact. But nothing in that meeting raised any
Illegal conversations to the FBI or the Justice Department. So Comey et al had to improvise. The idea that Obama warned Trump Flynn was “ compromised” is ridiculous. There is yet NO evidence ( after 3 years) that anyone in the Obama Administration found any “ Collusion”. There was no “ fully predicated” investigation. What there was was Spying by the Obama gang to try an overturn an election.

Not a scrap of evidence that shows any of this was politically motivated, as the Trump appointed IG concluded.

LOL.

[LarryBnDC]

What did the Obama Administration do with the "unmasking?"

Follow the documented evidence . The unmasking of Flynn started after Trump named  the General to become his National Security AdVisor in November of 2016.  This was just days after Obama personally advised Trump  not to. From the middle of November almost to Inauguration Day 50 unmasking requests were made by 39 Obama administration officials. The list was published yesterday.  Not all of them were granted. UN Ambassador Samantha Power asked 7 times.( later she said she doesn’t recall asking at all)
Joe Biden asked on January 8, 2017- a week before becoming a private citizen.
The now infamous Flynn/Kisylak meeting happened in December so why did the unmasking requests start in November. Simple. The spying on the Trump Campaign was doomed to fail if Flynn was National Security Advisor. He had to go. As soon as the Kislyak connection was made the classified info was leaked to the Washington Post( illegal, someone will be going to jail for that). At about the same time Jim Comey began his push to get a special prosecutor appointed(while coaxing FISA warrants by pushing a phoney dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton) to investigate “ collusion”, then Flynn was trapped into a lie, Jeff Sessions recused himself from overseeing the Investigation soon to be headed by Robert Mueller. Interestingly every Obama official called to testify before Congress(under oath) admitted they saw no collusion. Neither did Mueller when it was all over. 
Now we see the spotlight being turned on the hole hiding the gang of Obama partisans. Biden’s hilarious interview with ABC this week does not bode well for his or the party’s future.

https://apnews.com/f5ab3e3c75304b9bbe1e4b32322b3faf/Trump-alters-story-on-why-he-fired-Flynn

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As far as I can tell the unmasking of Flynn resulted in an illegal leak to the Washington Post of the Kisylak contact.

As far as I can tell you have your head up your ass.  Republicans have no idea if anyone informed of the "unmasking" leaked the info to the Washington Post.  There were far from the only people who knew.  But that doesn't stop Republicans from publicizing formerly classified info to cast unfounded aspersions. 

But nothing in that meeting raised any
Illegal conversations to the FBI or the Justice Department. So Comey et al had to improvise.

Right.  A totally above board secret call to Russia about sanctions that Flynn repeatedly lied to the FBI and the Vice President about (according to the Vice President) and won't say if it was ordered by Trump...nothing to see here folks!

Strange then that the Trump Admin won't release the transcripts despite a Judge's orders to do so...

The idea that Obama warned Trump Flynn was “ compromised” is ridiculous. There is yet NO evidence ( after 3 years) that anyone in the Obama Administration found any “ Collusion”. There was no “ fully predicated” investigation. What there was was Spying by the Obama gang to try an overturn an election.

It has been explained to you repeatedly....Flynn was publicly lying about a conversation Russians likely had on tape.  He was compromised.  Before even getting into his admitted attempts to facilitate Campaign-Russia collusion, or his undeclared ties to Turkey.

He had zero business having a security clearance.  When that became known, Trump fired him.  Now that Trump needs to paint Flynn as a victim of a politically motivated plot, he is lying about why he fired him.

And REDSTATEWARD thinks this is all great because TAXCUTS!

[josh]

There's a reason the Republic founders didn't have a two party system in mind.   

Today, it may seem impossible to imagine the U.S. government without its two leading political parties, Democrats and Republicans. But in 1787, when delegates to the Constitutional Convention gathered in Philadelphia to hash out the foundations of their new government, they entirely omitted political parties from the new nation’s founding document.

This was no accident. The framers of the new Constitution desperately wanted to avoid the divisions that had ripped England apart in the bloody civil wars of the 17th century. Many of them saw parties—or “factions,” as they called them—as corrupt relics of the monarchical British system that they wanted to discard in favor of a truly democratic government...   

https://www.history.com/news/founding-fathers-political-parties-opinion

The naivete that required is astounding in hindsight. The federalist/anti-federalist split in even the debates around the proto-Constitution should have told them that there would be factors/parties and that that issue needed to be built into their new document.

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The implication is that one of these unmaskings was the one (or were the ones) that led to the discovery that Mike Flynn had secretly called up the Russian Ambassador and undermined US foreign policy, acting without specific orders from Trump (at least as the public record currently stands).

Mind you, almost all of them could not be. Only 8 of them post-date the calls between Flynn and Kislyak:

•US Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power (1/11/17)
•DNI James Clapper (1/7/2017)
•Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew (1/12/17)
•White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough (1/5/17)
•DDNI Michael Dempsey (1/7/17)
•PDDNI Stephanie O’Sullivan (1/7/17)
•CIA/CTMC 1/10/17
•Vice President Joe Biden 1/12/17

And of those, only the McDonough unmasking corresponds even remotely to the time the IC discovered Flynn’s call, except we know FBI had already discovered it on January 4. Which is to say zero of these unmaskings could be the original one. A few people could be someone reading a transcript from the calls after the fact.

Except that some of these — such as the January 11 unmasking — are believed to relate to Mohammed bin Zayed’s secret trip to the US to meet Flynn and Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner, and so are of another intercept.

There’s probably a very good reason why the original unmasking doesn’t show up on this list, which reflects only NSA products and only finished intelligence reports. According to Jim Comey’s testimony, the FBI found the Kislyak-Flynn calls, not the NSA.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/05/13/of-over-40-potential-unmaskings-of-mike-flynn-during-the-transition-just-one-led-to-criminal-charges/

[josh]

What did the Obama Administration do with the "unmasking?"

Follow the documented evidence . The unmasking of Flynn started after Trump named  the General to become his National Security AdVisor in November of 2016.  This was just days after Obama personally advised Trump  not to. From the middle of November almost to Inauguration Day 50 unmasking requests were made by 39 Obama administration officials. The list was published yesterday.  Not all of them were granted. UN Ambassador Samantha Power asked 7 times.( later she said she doesn’t recall asking at all)
Joe Biden asked on January 8, 2017- a week before becoming a private citizen.
The now infamous Flynn/Kisylak meeting happened in December so why did the unmasking requests start in November. Simple. The spying on the Trump Campaign was doomed to fail if Flynn was National Security Advisor. He had to go. As soon as the Kislyak connection was made the classified info was leaked to the Washington Post( illegal, someone will be going to jail for that). At about the same time Jim Comey began his push to get a special prosecutor appointed(while coaxing FISA warrants by pushing a phoney dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton) to investigate “ collusion”, then Flynn was trapped into a lie, Jeff Sessions recused himself from overseeing the Investigation soon to be headed by Robert Mueller. Interestingly every Obama official called to testify before Congress(under oath) admitted they saw no collusion. Neither did Mueller when it was all over. 
Now we see the spotlight being turned on the hole hiding the gang of Obama partisans. Biden’s hilarious interview with ABC this week does not bode well for his or the party’s future.

Broken logic all the way through, from your decision that warning against Flynn before additional evidence of his corruption was unwise to your conclusion that Flynn's becoming NSA post-election meant that it would cause a problem with spying on the Trump campaign, as if that were still a thing.

Your self-deceptive, decrepit thinking and your inability to wrap your head around the crimes of your party are your hallmarks at this point.

[REDSTATEWARD]

What did the Obama Administration do with the "unmasking?"

Follow the documented evidence . The unmasking of Flynn started after Trump named  the General to become his National Security AdVisor in November of 2016.  This was just days after Obama personally advised Trump  not to. From the middle of November almost to Inauguration Day 50 unmasking requests were made by 39 Obama administration officials. The list was published yesterday.  Not all of them were granted. UN Ambassador Samantha Power asked 7 times.( later she said she doesn’t recall asking at all)
Joe Biden asked on January 8, 2017- a week before becoming a private citizen.
The now infamous Flynn/Kisylak meeting happened in December so why did the unmasking requests start in November. Simple. The spying on the Trump Campaign was doomed to fail if Flynn was National Security Advisor. He had to go. As soon as the Kislyak connection was made the classified info was leaked to the Washington Post( illegal, someone will be going to jail for that). At about the same time Jim Comey began his push to get a special prosecutor appointed(while coaxing FISA warrants by pushing a phoney dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton) to investigate “ collusion”, then Flynn was trapped into a lie, Jeff Sessions recused himself from overseeing the Investigation soon to be headed by Robert Mueller. Interestingly every Obama official called to testify before Congress(under oath) admitted they saw no collusion. Neither did Mueller when it was all over. 
Now we see the spotlight being turned on the hole hiding the gang of Obama partisans. Biden’s hilarious interview with ABC this week does not bode well for his or the party’s future.

Broken logic all the way through, from your decision that warning against Flynn before additional evidence of his corruption was unwise to your conclusion that Flynn's becoming NSA post-election meant that it would cause a problem with spying on the Trump campaign, as if that were still a thing.

Your self-deceptive, decrepit thinking and your inability to wrap your head around the crimes of your party are your hallmarks at this point.

Adding snark to your recitation of misinformation only insures your credibility failure.

[josh]

What did the Obama Administration do with the "unmasking?"

Follow the documented evidence . The unmasking of Flynn started after Trump named  the General to become his National Security AdVisor in November of 2016.  This was just days after Obama personally advised Trump  not to. From the middle of November almost to Inauguration Day 50 unmasking requests were made by 39 Obama administration officials. The list was published yesterday.  Not all of them were granted. UN Ambassador Samantha Power asked 7 times.( later she said she doesn’t recall asking at all)
Joe Biden asked on January 8, 2017- a week before becoming a private citizen.
The now infamous Flynn/Kisylak meeting happened in December so why did the unmasking requests start in November. Simple. The spying on the Trump Campaign was doomed to fail if Flynn was National Security Advisor. He had to go. As soon as the Kislyak connection was made the classified info was leaked to the Washington Post( illegal, someone will be going to jail for that). At about the same time Jim Comey began his push to get a special prosecutor appointed(while coaxing FISA warrants by pushing a phoney dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton) to investigate “ collusion”, then Flynn was trapped into a lie, Jeff Sessions recused himself from overseeing the Investigation soon to be headed by Robert Mueller. Interestingly every Obama official called to testify before Congress(under oath) admitted they saw no collusion. Neither did Mueller when it was all over. 
Now we see the spotlight being turned on the hole hiding the gang of Obama partisans. Biden’s hilarious interview with ABC this week does not bode well for his or the party’s future.

Broken logic all the way through, from your decision that warning against Flynn before additional evidence of his corruption was unwise to your conclusion that Flynn's becoming NSA post-election meant that it would cause a problem with spying on the Trump campaign, as if that were still a thing.

Your self-deceptive, decrepit thinking and your inability to wrap your head around the crimes of your party are your hallmarks at this point.

Adding snark to your recitation of misinformation only insures your credibility failure.

Speaks the man with zero credibility.

And nobody here speaking to you has any credibility with you unless they are parroting what you are saying. You accept no contrary evidence ever, cannot admit when you make even a single letter typo, let alone a substantive error, and therefore there is no point in talking with you, still and again.

You lie and lie and lie and lie.

"LOL"

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/14/politics/appeals-court-emoluments-trump-hotel/index.html

The case moves forward.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/14/politics/trump-fauci-public-comments-explainer/index.html

Why now?

Officials are pointing to a few factors.

One, it's becoming clearer and clearer that reopening the country is Trump's only plan for reviving the economy. The new stimulus package is, as Trump accurately declared, dead on arrival. The Federal Reserve is low on options. The White House has now essentially bet everything that states loosening restrictions will spur growth in time for November's election. Fauci's words of caution are an obstacle at a moment when the economic outlook is grim.

Two, Fauci's critics on Fox and in Congress are adjusting their complaints about him to reflect the type of criticism they know appeals to Trump. By casting him as an unelected bureaucrat who is attempting to undermine Trump, they're harkening back to the "deep state" conspiracies that have fueled Trump countless times before, most recently during impeachment and even concurrently with the events surrounding the Michael Flynn case.

And third, Trump is frustrated that Fauci is eclipsing him in surveys on public trust, most recently the CNN/SSRS poll this week. Officials say Trump has long held out some resentment that Fauci is respected and liked by people he has struggled to convert.

Fauci said Tuesday his relationship with Trump is not contentious, and Trump has insisted as much previously. In person, officials say this is mostly accurate. They haven't engaged in huge shouting matches or sniping. But Trump's irritation at being publicly undermined has been evident in conversations with his friends and aides, when he's complained that Fauci doesn't seem to be on his side.

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Broken logic all the way through, from your decision that warning against Flynn before additional evidence of his corruption was unwise to your conclusion that Flynn's becoming NSA post-election meant that it would cause a problem with spying on the Trump campaign, as if that were still a thing.

The unmasking targeted Flynn because the deep state needed him out of the way...for some reason.

Never mind that it could not have targeted Flynn because the whole point of requesting an unmasking is that they don't know who it was!

[josh]

Doctors in at least 18 states and DC are looking into pediatric syndrome possibly linked to Covid-19
From CNN’s Michael Nedelman, Amanda Watts and Gisela Crespo

Doctors in at least 18 states and Washington, DC, are investigating cases of a rare and puzzling condition in children that may be linked to Covid-19 infection, a CNN survey finds.

These cases include more than 150 children in the United States, most of them in New York.

CNN found potential cases being investigated in California, Delaware, lllinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Utah and Washington. The condition is not currently considered reportable in many states, but in some it is.

CNN has contacted departments of health, hospitals and state officials around the country. Some state health departments told CNN that they are awaiting an official case definition from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

[barton]

It's official:  "gate" has been worn out as a suffix.   We may as well call my cat being excessively affectionate when the food bowl is empty Catgate.   The only reason we're being treated to Ward's latest tinfoil hat theory is because all the other legs of his MAGA stool have broken.   Trump has violated so many laws and basic moral precepts of governance that there's really nothing left for the GOP but to invent a narrative of Obama being more horrible than Trump.   

BTW, been meaning to say,  if anyone still thinks CV19 is just bad flu,  please google Nick Cordero.   Vital,  healthy 41 year old actor who puts in grueling days and nights on Broadway....what he's been through (severe lung damage,  coma,  blood clots leading to an amputated leg) is not what happens to healthy youngish people who get flu.   And,  lest anyone think he's just an anecdotal fluke,  an early April tally showed 800 under age 50 had died from CV19 and many times that needed hospitalization.  I'm sure the numbers have  grown some since then.    Some of these formerly healthy young people,  with young children and responsibilities, didn't die but will be looking at a life with new disabilities.   It's.  Not.   Flu. 

 I'm a little worked up about this,  because my wife plays the piano and accompanies the cantors in church,  where services (with spacing of congregants,  right, uh-huh) resume this Sunday.   The cantors have pushed to have mask removal allowed while they sing.   Yes,  there's some space between the altar area and first row,  but that outbreak in Washington State offered evidence that loud singing pushes aerosol farther than just speech.    And my wife is asked to rehearse the cantors in a smallish side room,  again without them wearing masks.   My advice to her is tell the church to go fuck itself,  or at least insist the cantors stay masked and endure the slight muffling of their voices.   I think she's pretty nearly there on her own without my input being needed.   

[josh]

Another United States Department of Agriculture food safety inspector has died after contracting Covid-19.

The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) Union told CNN the food safety inspector was from Dodge City, Kansas, and died Wednesday.

The AFGE says there are now four confirmed food safety inspector deaths due to Covid-19: One each in New York, Illinois, Mississippi, and now Kansas.