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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38070 on: June 12, 2020, 05:22:01 PM »

From yahoo.com.

“I think I’ve done more for the black community than any other president—and let’s take a pass on Abraham Lincoln because he did good although it’s always questionable, you know in other words the end result,”----your President.

The end result? Wait, what?

That he is only on the $5 and should have been on the $50 bill instead of Grant, who worked for him?

WTF?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38071 on: June 12, 2020, 05:26:24 PM »


I'm not going to find tit for tat examples of the left media lying and knowing they were lying. They're out there but I'm not here to delineate some sort of line that proves one side is "worse" than the other. I'm here to say they are both biased and yes both lie. A definite and willful distortion of the truth is lying and both sides do it. I'm not here to rah rah rah for either of them. I find both sides of this media war "deplorables".

Do you think this sort of political discussion - which side lies more - can ever find any real objective arbiter that both sides would accept as such?   For sure,  no one wants to come here and do heavy lifting on statistics,  fact checks,  independent press audits,  ad infinitum.   Most people have some sort of gut feel they go with,  or they point to the judgment call of their favored pundit or pundits.   Or they just listen to NPR and try to discern some patterns in the info flood.   

I live in a state full of conservatives  (Thune is one of my senators),  so I know some who are just decent honest people whose guiding principle is that federal level governance doesn't work well,  and less is generally more.   They find news feeds that feed that ideology,  and ignore those that don't.   I would ask them, and you:  do you think that approach will take you into a bubble (or an information silo,  as some call it)?   Does it make sense to put down the National Review on occasion,  and pick up The Guardian,  or Mother Jones?   Or should we all just read straight news,  like AP?

I'm a regular here,  so I am glad to see people coming over from sports threads,  and maybe toss in some perspectives that fall between Redstateward and Josh,  on the conservative end.   It could be fun to examine some underlying assumptions we have about government, capitalism,  freedom,  and the dignity of individuals.

I do watch both news. And I try to filter out what is right and what may be questionable as anyone should be doing. Both sides are strongly biased IMO. FOX embellishes to the max. CNN and the other national media outlets embellish as well. But their primary forte is simply not reporting on some news stories at all. Thus they can't be accused of embellishing if they simply don't report it at all. It's all tactics. 

My hope has been that someone or "someones" would come along an attempt some actual healing in this country. But nobody in the country seems very interested in that. Both sides seem so entrenched that any hope of dialog is fantasy at this juncture. We've seem to have become a nation of nonwaivering uncomprovising hate. On both sides.

I was encouraged by the taping of the Chicago Aldermen and their lamentations of the destructions in their precincts.

Before you heal a wound you have to stop the bleeding.

You make a valid point Larry. And so the hateful infighting needs to stop. Which was my point.

Captain David Dorn, who was murdered by a Black protester, was buried yesterday. Not one mention about this on Liberal AOL media(or yany of the so-called mainstream media outlets) because it does not fit their obvious agenda. Which attests to my observation of the left's tactics of simply acting like some things just haven't happened. Someone asked me for examples of the left media lying. This is one. To not report the other side of the canvas is indeed a form of lying.

And hand waiving moderates at this point are as invisible to both sides as that story was to AOL, and the rest. Our country is indeed bleeding and nobody seems to want to step back and talk. Or listen.

Bruh...

There have been three arrests in the murder of Captain Dorn.

He wasn’t shot by Black protestors he was killed by FUCKING CROOKS who were being crooks.

Step back and talk?

How many times have we tried to talk?

NFL players tried to do this peacefully and the President said “get that sonuvabitch of the field! He’s fired!”

Ya didn’t want to talk when the opportunity was there.

Now, just shut up and listen.

Read the room, Grandpa.

Dawg, There have been multiple arrests in the George murder. Is this somehow different? Did the protestors even give the Judicial system time to arrest these dirty cops? No the reaction was violence and intimidation. And on both sides for that matter.

The "Crooks" were protestors in the protest crowd AND started off as "protestors". If we expect the police and justice system to start policing their own then we should expect the protestors to do the same. Was there a significant number of "protestors" trying to stop the looting? I didn't see any.

But once more that's not the point I'm trying to make. But as usual it's "Shut up" and listen.

Shut up isn't going to get anyone anywhere. I've done that enough in my own life to finally realize that that tactic just doesn't work. You want to solve something to get together and solve it. And clearly nobody is interested in that. Not in this forum or the world outside this forum.

I'll go back to the peripherals and let the haymakers fly.

One tin soldier rode away.


The "Crooks" were protestors in the protest crowd AND started off as "protestors". If we expect the police and justice system to start policing their own then we should expect the protestors to do the same. Was there a significant number of "protestors" trying to stop the looting? I didn't see any.


This is the most ridiculous bullshit I’ve read in a very long time... and that’s saying something.

Suffice to say turn your chair to the corner and have a seat.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38072 on: June 12, 2020, 05:36:11 PM »

Josiah Daniels has a strong voice and an interesting story. It’s very interesting the role faith, ideals, institutions all play in a person’s evolution. The imperative to beg and the wounds it causes is a hard bite of strong medicine.

Here’s the link again, with my endorsement of a good read.

http://sojo.net/articles/no-more-begging-our-humanity

Our Burning Bush is a burning cop car?

This is a good read.

I lived/worked at Sojourners for seven years. Raised our kids in community.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38073 on: June 12, 2020, 05:41:12 PM »

Can an illiterate President have a library?

Yes.
Never too late to learn.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38074 on: June 12, 2020, 05:41:31 PM »

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1271445038980096000

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1271445418816176130

Bolton's book argues "that the House committed impeachment malpractice by keeping their prosecution focused narrowly on Ukraine when Trump’s Ukraine-like transgressions existed across the full range of his foreign policy. And he "documents exactly what those were."

I'll look forward to reading about them.  And will not be surprised by anything I read.  Neither will House Democrats, I imagine, whose malpractice lays in their never forcing Bolton to testify to them.

What difference would it have made? 60% of the public thought Trump was guilty as sin.

GOP Senate would still have acquitted if there were footage of Trump raping a nun on the steps of the Shrine of the Immaculate conception.
 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38075 on: June 12, 2020, 05:42:36 PM »

Not that there is not some amusement in seeing cap agree with his old CFB forum pal JimmStateSkippy, but they have both been selling the line that the protests were somehow about one death.

The one death thing is specious generally,  given that any wrongful death done by the State is a reflection of a larger dysfunction.  Sacco and Vanzetti were just two guys,  but their trial and execution galvanized massive protests and then progress against anti-Italian and anti-immigrant biases.  It woke up good people and focused action.

In 1927, protests on their behalf were held in every major city in North America and Europe, as well as in Tokyo, Sydney, Melbourne, São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires, Dubai, Montevideo, Johannesburg, and Auckland (I looked it up,  yes).
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38076 on: June 12, 2020, 05:52:43 PM »

Josiah Daniels has a strong voice and an interesting story. It’s very interesting the role faith, ideals, institutions all play in a person’s evolution. The imperative to beg and the wounds it causes is a hard bite of strong medicine.

Here’s the link again, with my endorsement of a good read.

http://sojo.net/articles/no-more-begging-our-humanity

Our Burning Bush is a burning cop car?

This is a good read.

I lived/worked at Sojourners for seven years. Raised our kids in community.

I’ve not prayed since 2016. I’m still a Christian. I’ve not put my pain to paper in that same time. I’m still a writer. But praying and writing remind me of the days when I would beg. I’d beg people to see my pain; I’d beg God to do something about it.

As an adult, I’ve spent an inordinate amount of time respectfully trying to convince Christians and their institutions that my black life matters. I’ve taken that same approach when advocating for a more just society, a society in which policing and the carceral state are abolished. I’ve petitioned God to intercede toward that end but it seems we are stuck at verse 12 of Job 24: “The groans of the dying rise from the city, and the souls of the wounded cry out for help. But God charges no one with wrongdoing.”

Begging for one’s humanity to be recognized is painfully humiliating . Healing from that pain requires therapeutic outlets where that trauma can be expressed privately. Healing also requires publicly demanding the pain of black bodies be recognized by God, country, and the church. Demanding black people’s humanity be seen is liberating not only for black people, but humanity as a whole. But making demands is a right that black people have routinely been denied. And so, as Malcolm X predicted, the chickens are making their way home to roost.

Malcolm was not a popular figure at my liberal seminary with predominantly white faculty. Black people peacefully protesting were looked at with ire, so you can imagine what many of them thought about an “any means necessary” approach. I began seminary in 2013 as a pacifist of the Martin Luther King Jr. variety. I graduated as something else. I lived on Chicago’s West Side for the duration of my master’s program, from 2013-2016. My community was heavily invested in the Black Lives Matter movement and so was I. What I couldn’t understand was why my high-profile, white professors, who waxed poetically about “faithful presence” and “the radicality of Jesus,” were not also invested.


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Burning down America, including Black communities, Black businesses, Black social housing, Supermarkets visited by Black people mostly.....is worse.
Looked at with more than just ire.

Everyone in the world is looking after self first.
 
It has to be "any legal means necessary."

Black people have to fix their communities from the inside.

Black people can make any demands they like...just like everyone else.

Policing and carceral state abolished?  no thank you. Get away with that in America, next thing you know they'll be trying it on in Australia..."that's what they're doing in America!"


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38077 on: June 12, 2020, 06:25:13 PM »

I'm still stunned that Trump lied about not having any business dealings with Russia while he was negotiating a Moscow mega-project that would require Putin's blessing -- and Trump paid no price for this.  (the latter part is what shocks me).

And then once in office Trump is oh so gentle with Putin.
The list of gifts to Putin is long.  Off the top of my head:
- trying to get Russia back into the G7/8.
- pulling thousands of US troops out of Germany
- raising oil prices
- no/minimal investigation of Russian election interference
- jerking around the Ukraine President
- pretending Ukraine hacked the Dems, not Russia
- not giving two shits about Crimea
- heaping praise on Putin frequently
did Trump try to ease sanctions on Russia ?
There's likely more.

Stunned?

Wingers raised hell about Obama telling Medvedev to tell Vladimir to chill until after the 2012 election so he could be more flexible.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38078 on: June 12, 2020, 06:27:53 PM »

Remeber when Trump's presidency started and Melania stayed back in NYC for a while?  She said she needed to care for Baron.  Apparently that was her purpose, as a new book says that she took that time to renegotiate her pre-nup so baron would be an equal heir. 

Seems like a nice little power play.  She knew that Trump would need her to come to DC for both his sanity and general PR.  Also a lot of ugliness came out how Trump was paying off hookers and such.   So Melania reportedly decided to improve her stakeholding.   I guess she knew that post-presidency Trump could be worth a lot more and might not live too much longer.

The book says that they are alike, both loners and calculating and image conscious.
A rather Trumpian business move by Melania while she had leverage.

“I ain’t saying she a gold digger... holla we want prenup!”
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38079 on: June 12, 2020, 06:36:34 PM »

News Item


Strong majorities of Americans oppose the movement to “defund the police” and some of its most significant goals, specifically reshuffling funding away from law enforcement to support mental health, housing and education programs, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday finds.

Nearly two-thirds of Americans oppose calls for defunding police departments, compared to 34% who back the movement, and 60% specifically oppose reducing the budget for police to reallocate it to other public health and social programs, while 39% support that move.

Yeah?

So?

Young white kids have given me hope the era of White Identity Politics is over.

Kids coming out of high school and college to what? A raging pandemic, a collapsing economy and s government that clearly doesn’t give a shit about them and don’t even pretend to care.

Those kids out there risking their lives for Black Lives Matter would make Martin Niemoller jump for joy.

Trump and the GOP ist tot.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38080 on: June 12, 2020, 06:38:30 PM »

Shame that you good people don't watch FOX, thus missed the POTUS interview with Ms. Faulkner.

This is the problem with Trump being a congenital liar.  At some point people interested in getting real information about what is happening will stop watching.

Maybe you could elaborate on what was said in that interview that you think has value.

He rated Lincoln mediocre and grudgingly gave him credit for freeing the slaves... if you like that sort of thing.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38081 on: June 12, 2020, 06:41:18 PM »

What's this I am hearing?  Nancy Pelosi's dad did what?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38082 on: June 12, 2020, 06:47:06 PM »

A genuine fear is emerging among many moderates. That Trump will use the rhetoric of the radical left with "defunding the police", "gun control",  "reparations", et alia to rouse enough votes to get reelected.

Pump the brakes. Get Biden and the House and Senate Dems elected first. Then enact your reforms.

Moderates are the bane of the Democratic party.

Put everything you want in the bill and make them step up instead of watering down it down and screwing over marginalized communities.

This ain’t a moment its a movement .

Pump the brakes was what Alex Castellanos and the Republicans used to sell the nation (white people) to slow down the ACA and stimulus.

“Warp 5, Mr. Scott.”
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38083 on: June 12, 2020, 06:54:27 PM »

Josiah Daniels has a strong voice and an interesting story. It’s very interesting the role faith, ideals, institutions all play in a person’s evolution. The imperative to beg and the wounds it causes is a hard bite of strong medicine.

Here’s the link again, with my endorsement of a good read.

http://sojo.net/articles/no-more-begging-our-humanity

Our Burning Bush is a burning cop car?

This is a good read.

I lived/worked at Sojourners for seven years. Raised our kids in community.

I’ve not prayed since 2016. I’m still a Christian. I’ve not put my pain to paper in that same time. I’m still a writer. But praying and writing remind me of the days when I would beg. I’d beg people to see my pain; I’d beg God to do something about it.

As an adult, I’ve spent an inordinate amount of time respectfully trying to convince Christians and their institutions that my black life matters. I’ve taken that same approach when advocating for a more just society, a society in which policing and the carceral state are abolished. I’ve petitioned God to intercede toward that end but it seems we are stuck at verse 12 of Job 24: “The groans of the dying rise from the city, and the souls of the wounded cry out for help. But God charges no one with wrongdoing.”

Begging for one’s humanity to be recognized is painfully humiliating . Healing from that pain requires therapeutic outlets where that trauma can be expressed privately. Healing also requires publicly demanding the pain of black bodies be recognized by God, country, and the church. Demanding black people’s humanity be seen is liberating not only for black people, but humanity as a whole. But making demands is a right that black people have routinely been denied. And so, as Malcolm X predicted, the chickens are making their way home to roost.

Malcolm was not a popular figure at my liberal seminary with predominantly white faculty. Black people peacefully protesting were looked at with ire, so you can imagine what many of them thought about an “any means necessary” approach. I began seminary in 2013 as a pacifist of the Martin Luther King Jr. variety. I graduated as something else. I lived on Chicago’s West Side for the duration of my master’s program, from 2013-2016. My community was heavily invested in the Black Lives Matter movement and so was I. What I couldn’t understand was why my high-profile, white professors, who waxed poetically about “faithful presence” and “the radicality of Jesus,” were not also invested.


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Burning down America, including Black communities, Black businesses, Black social housing, Supermarkets visited by Black people mostly.....is worse.
Looked at with more than just ire.

Everyone in the world is looking after self first.
 
It has to be "any legal means necessary."

Black people have to fix their communities from the inside.

Black people can make any demands they like...just like everyone else.

Policing and carceral state abolished?  no thank you. Get away with that in America, next thing you know they'll be trying it on in Australia..."that's what they're doing in America!"

Peaceful protest was deemed unpatriotic in 2016.

Gathering in the streets to protest police violence was met by violence.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38084 on: June 12, 2020, 06:56:26 PM »

What's this I am hearing?  Nancy Pelosi's dad did what?

How dead is that guy?

Don’t get me started on Fred Trump who is also extremely dead.
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