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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38430 on: June 15, 2020, 05:23:46 PM »

My belief is that face masks are much better than social distancing when people are in public.  I've hinted at this in a few posts, but didn't feel like getting into a prolonged discussion about it. 

In China face masks became universal, near 100% compliance.  While social distancing was not emphasized or mentioned much at all.  Of course China banned large gatherings and shut down offices and schools for months.  Lockdowns plus face masks proved very effective here.

Face masks are a direct block to viral spreading.  They impede respiration and water droplets from travelling.  Social distancing seems much vaguer.  6 feet is fairly arbitrary.  In small food shops common in Shanghai (and NYC), it's also not very practical/possible.   And it's not always easy to be sure if you are within 6' or not anyway.

There's also the issue of aerosolized particles and you want to stay 6 feet or preferably further from any cough, sneeze, talking that puts a cloud of droplets into the air.  That is, you don't just want to stay 6' from another person, but 6 feet away from any aerosol droplet emission they might leave hanging in the air, which you can't see, and might walk right through.

Staying away from other people makes plenty of sense to me.  But having a mask on in public when people are close by or further than 6' is best.  When riding my bike or on an empty street, I would simply move the mask on to my chin.  These all seem like very basic common sense behaviors to restrict the spread of a respiratory virus.  Handwashing too, though that strikes me as likely to have the least effect.

There was something COVID-related last week, I forget the detail for now, and the response was that there was no scientific study that said that whatever was true.  And that was an early argument against face masks.  But just because something hasn't been studied doesn't make it not true.  And sometimes something isn't studied because it seems to be simply common sense true (even back in 1918 face masks were used to stop the Spanish flu).

Finally last week, Dr. Birx referred to two studies that said masks were effective, though I didn't see any link to the studies.   I'm glad mask wearing increased in the US.  And that statistic that even 50% mask wearing will reduce the r rate below 1 is encouraging.  If mask wearing occurred sooner and with more compliance, a lot of lives would have been saved in the US, and a lot fewer sick people.

It's too bad basic health care became so politicized int eh US, but I guess it's been that way for over half a century.  Ronald Reagan made LP records explaining how Medicare and Medicaid were taking away freedoms and the first steps towards a commie takeover.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38431 on: June 15, 2020, 05:29:05 PM »

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/tim-blair-lefts-uutopian-copless-vision-has-become-a-reality/news-story/9c780eb15ec332a3e6c1679b8dfcff02

Tim Blair: Left’s utopian copless vision has become a reality

For decades, Marxists, socialists, hippies and other handbrakes have imagined a paradise free of police – and now their utopian copless vision has become a reality, writes Tim Blair.


More than 20 years after that abortive Melbourne leftfest, we now have an international push to either defund or abolish the police.

Some tried to make excuses for this movement, claiming that by “defund” they merely meant that taxes should instead be directed towards pointless left-approved initiatives.

“Activists calling for defunding the police are not always calling for dismantling departments,” wrote journalist Yamiche Alcindor.
“In many cases, it means redirecting funds from police departments to other parts of society that help people like housing, education, and communities.”

Nice try.

That particular misdirection was quickly ended when the New York Times last week ran an opinion piece by Mariame Kaba, an “organiser against criminalisation”, below the headline:

“Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police”.


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Seems to be.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38432 on: June 15, 2020, 05:36:30 PM »

That was a pleasant surprise.

I could have foreseen Roberts. But never Gorsuch.
From Gorsuch

An employer who fires an individual for being homosexual or transgender fires that person for traits or actions it wouldn’t have questioned in members of a different sex. Sex plays a necessary and undisguisable role in the decision, exactly what Title VII forbids.”

Imagine that. Relying on the text of Title VII.
Trump vowed to replace Scalia with a Justice of similar visions of the law.
Gorsuch delivered on this one.


Yet, so many conservatives feel differently:

https://theweek.com/speedreads/920080/conservatives-blast-gorsuch-after-lgbtq-discrimination-decision-among-worst-jurists-history-united-states

Gee, how surprising that they should feel that way.

Somehow, I don't think they would like laws that permitted discrimination against them for being straight, though!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38433 on: June 15, 2020, 05:37:18 PM »

Anti-First Amendment Trump Administration:Former National Security Adviser John Bolton's new memoir is scheduled to come out next week — but the Trump administration will reportedly mount a last-minute effort to block it.

The Trump administration is "expected to file a lawsuit in federal court seeking an injunction to block the book from being released in its current form," and the lawsuit "could come as soon as today," ABC News reports.


https://theweek.com/speedreads/920101/trump-administration-reportedly-file-lawsuit-block-john-boltons-book

No news here. The news would be if this SCOTUS blocked it.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38434 on: June 15, 2020, 05:39:41 PM »

cracka wont beat my ass

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Racist.
Some people think it's a good idea.

Nothing about "cracka" in what Reebok said, just in your fears.

And yes, of course some people think being racist is a good idea. It's exhibited here on a pretty much daily basis.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38435 on: June 15, 2020, 05:40:54 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/us/st-cloud-police-shooting-minnesota/index.html

Protesters pelt St. Cloud police station, thinking the police shot another civilian, but it was the other way around.
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« Reply #38436 on: June 15, 2020, 05:41:58 PM »

http://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6940704/18-2142-2020-06-09.pdf

Shooting suspects you’ve already cuffed is being ruled beyond the bounds of qualified immunity, even in West Virginia.

Keep marching. A better world gets built one brick at a time.



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Who’s book gets out first, Bolton’s or the sane Trump’s?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #38437 on: June 15, 2020, 05:43:11 PM »



cracka wont beat my ass

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Racist.
Some people think it's a good idea.

DM him & see if he’ll throw down, cracka.

See how you do.

You’d have to pony up the airfare as the challenger, as honor demands.
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« Reply #38438 on: June 15, 2020, 05:48:13 PM »

IMAGINE...if a White person wrote;

n...a wont beat my ass
@justcallmemike

They'd be fired from their job, 'tarred and feathered', and run out of town, city, country as a racist.

Equality...oh wherefore art thou equality?
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« Reply #38439 on: June 15, 2020, 05:53:11 PM »

Equality is what we are asking for.  The world has been slanted greatly towards inequality for so long. 
It's like saying Women shouldn't ask for equal pay because men hold doors open for them at work.
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« Reply #38440 on: June 15, 2020, 05:55:14 PM »

That was a pleasant surprise.

I could have foreseen Roberts. But never Gorsuch.
From Gorsuch

An employer who fires an individual for being homosexual or transgender fires that person for traits or actions it wouldn’t have questioned in members of a different sex. Sex plays a necessary and undisguisable role in the decision, exactly what Title VII forbids.”

Imagine that. Relying on the text of Title VII.
Trump vowed to replace Scalia with a Justice of similar visions of the law.
Gorsuch delivered on this one.


Yet, so many conservatives feel differently:

https://theweek.com/speedreads/920080/conservatives-blast-gorsuch-after-lgbtq-discrimination-decision-among-worst-jurists-history-united-states

Gee, how surprising that they should feel that way.

Somehow, I don't think they would like laws that permitted discrimination against them for being straight, though!
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« Reply #38441 on: June 15, 2020, 05:59:56 PM »

My belief is that face masks are much better than social distancing when people are in public.  I've hinted at this in a few posts, but didn't feel like getting into a prolonged discussion about it. 

In China face masks became universal, near 100% compliance.  While social distancing was not emphasized or mentioned much at all.  Of course China banned large gatherings and shut down offices and schools for months.  Lockdowns plus face masks proved very effective here.

Face masks are a direct block to viral spreading.  They impede respiration and water droplets from travelling.  Social distancing seems much vaguer.  6 feet is fairly arbitrary.  In small food shops common in Shanghai (and NYC), it's also not very practical/possible.   And it's not always easy to be sure if you are within 6' or not anyway.

There's also the issue of aerosolized particles and you want to stay 6 feet or preferably further from any cough, sneeze, talking that puts a cloud of droplets into the air.  That is, you don't just want to stay 6' from another person, but 6 feet away from any aerosol droplet emission they might leave hanging in the air, which you can't see, and might walk right through.

Staying away from other people makes plenty of sense to me.  But having a mask on in public when people are close by or further than 6' is best.  When riding my bike or on an empty street, I would simply move the mask on to my chin.  These all seem like very basic common sense behaviors to restrict the spread of a respiratory virus.  Handwashing too, though that strikes me as likely to have the least effect.

There was something COVID-related last week, I forget the detail for now, and the response was that there was no scientific study that said that whatever was true.  And that was an early argument against face masks.  But just because something hasn't been studied doesn't make it not true.  And sometimes something isn't studied because it seems to be simply common sense true (even back in 1918 face masks were used to stop the Spanish flu).

Finally last week, Dr. Birx referred to two studies that said masks were effective, though I didn't see any link to the studies.   I'm glad mask wearing increased in the US.  And that statistic that even 50% mask wearing will reduce the r rate below 1 is encouraging.  If mask wearing occurred sooner and with more compliance, a lot of lives would have been saved in the US, and a lot fewer sick people.

It's too bad basic health care became so politicized int eh US, but I guess it's been that way for over half a century.  Ronald Reagan made LP records explaining how Medicare and Medicaid were taking away freedoms and the first steps towards a commie takeover.

This is something that should interest you. it is updated frequently, and I have found it quite informative.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-coronavirus-cases-world-map/?itm_source=inline
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« Reply #38442 on: June 15, 2020, 06:01:18 PM »

I wonder how hard it is to immigrate to New Zealand.
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« Reply #38443 on: June 15, 2020, 06:05:15 PM »

ex no1 radio host writes today;

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/alan-jones-leaders-letting-cultural-revolutionaries-trample-over-society/news-story/31a20bea160fdea5f2ddfa8205d21603

Alan Jones: Leaders letting cultural revolutionaries trample over society

History has much to teach us, but will we listen? Not likely, given the craven way our leaders have let the next generation of cultural revolutionaries take over society, writes Alan Jones

Since when was vandalism not vandalism?
Since when did wanton destruction of public property remain ­unpunished?
Since when was taxpayers’ money necessary to surround our monuments because lawmakers won’t stand up to law breakers?

In John Milton’s poem of 1638, Lycidas, Milton wrote of the widening gap between those in power and those without power, or without means, what he believed were the poverty-stricken “hungry sheep”.

Milton wrote, “The hungry sheep look up, and are not fed / but, swoll’n with wind and the rank mist they draw / rot inwardly, and foul contagion spread …”.

How else do we describe the foul contagion that is taking place before us now, ignored by political leadership?


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« Reply #38444 on: June 15, 2020, 06:09:12 PM »

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Well there you go.

All that needed to be said or attended to.
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