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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[LarryBnDC]

They lost!

Not by much...and will not be going anywhere.

Trump is already getting support to run again.

Some states seem to flicker from blue to red, and red to blue, on the breeze...doesn't take much.
I'd be running Donald Trump Jr as my candidate.
Young, handsome, nice wife and family, smart. Endorsed by daddy,  new and improved policies, that's what I'd do.
Jr's Tweet:
"70 million pissed off republicans and not one city burned to the ground".

He left his wife.

This is his girlfriend.

https://www.businessinsider.com/kimberly-guilfoyle-reportedly-offered-lap-dance-trump-campaign-fundraiser-2020-11

[LarryBnDC]

They lost!

Not by much...and will not be going anywhere.

Trump is already getting support to run again.

Watching him run from jail will be entertaining.

I am sure he will still get 10s of millions of votes.

[LarryBnDC]

He just has to be the best candidate
I'd have to see who else is interested.  Ms Noem has been mentioned.  Mike Pence 
 Anyone else?

Sturgis is gonna be an anchor on her neck.

Tom Cotton is my favorite to become HAIC* of the GOP



*Head Asshole In  Charge

[facilitatorn]

Red seems to wish he could forget about California and just ignore about 10% of this year's voters.

Yes Red the vote would be much closer if you could just ignore 14 million voters in the nations most populous state.

That is the wish of those who, like Red, see voter suppression as their best option for an oppressive minority to retain power.

He also seems to forget that the Repubs lost control of the House in '18 and the WH this year.

But he does take solace in the power to gerrymander (redistrict) Repub controlled states going forward.

And that is ultimately the goal of those, who like Red, are afraid of democracy.

Did the useless trump administration actually complete a census that has survived legal challenges?

Might need a redo to get a useable count as part of the 2021 recovery program.

[LarryBnDC]

Welp.



https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/525167-georgia-gop-senators-call-on-georgia-secretary-of-state-to-resign

[REDSTATEWARD]

Mr. Esper’s downfall had been expected for months, after he took the rare step in June of disagreeing publicly with Mr. Trump and saying that active-duty military troops should not be sent to control the wave of protests in American cities. The president, who had threatened to use the Insurrection Act to do exactly that, was furious, officials said.

There was a moment there where the use of the military in major cities was contemplated and could have occurred.  When Trump marched with his generals and defense secretary past protesters who had just been teargassed for a photo-op at a church he never attends.  Don't forget that Trump kept coddling and buddying up to the military by putting generals in charge in civilian positions and dumping lots of extra billions into the military complex.  Fortunately he never succeeded in buying off their loyalty.

Who knows how such an alternate reality goes, but the protests might have ramped up in reaction to such a blatant un-American approach to policing.  A military crackdown in US cities might have caused even greater division and helped Trump push lawnorder and overshadowed the Virus somewhat.  There almost certainly would have been more violence on both sides.   Hell, even more violence by armed Trump supporters at BLM protests could have sparked Trump to bring in the military.

As it was, Trump used unmarked Homeland security goons in Portland but it never became widespread or accepted.  But if Trump had invoked the Insurrection Act and the military was deployed to keep order/crack heads in US cities, this could have set the stage for Trump not only contesting the election result but claiming victory and having the military back him up.  Just saying this was possible if Trump had successfully put the military into the midst of US cities and the election campaign.
It might sound far-fetched but only because it didn't happen.  Trump never went full fascist or got the military fully on board with his personality cult.  But we also weren't that far from such a scenario being played out or tried.

You wonder if DiddleyBones  lives anywhere close to reality.
That mask he wears must cover his eyes AND ears.

[facilitatorn]

Red continues to make his case nearly as well as trump dances to The Village People.

Massive massive con,

Red’s fallen for a massive con.

[Hairy Lime]

Red seems to wish he could forget about California and just ignore about 10% of this year's voters.

Yes Red the vote would be much closer if you could just ignore 14 million voters in the nations most populous state.

That is the wish of those who, like Red, see voter suppression as their best option for an oppressive minority to retain power.

He also seems to forget that the Repubs lost control of the House in '18 and the WH this year.

But he does take solace in the power to gerrymander (redistrict) Repub controlled states going forward.

And that is ultimately the goal of those, who like Red, are afraid of democracy.

Red has always respected the political judgment of land mass over people.

[oilcan]

Mr. Esper’s downfall had been expected for months, after he took the rare step in June of disagreeing publicly with Mr. Trump and saying that active-duty military troops should not be sent to control the wave of protests in American cities. The president, who had threatened to use the Insurrection Act to do exactly that, was furious, officials said.

There was a moment there where the use of the military in major cities was contemplated and could have occurred.  When Trump marched with his generals and defense secretary past protesters who had just been teargassed for a photo-op at a church he never attends.  Don't forget that Trump kept coddling and buddying up to the military by putting generals in charge in civilian positions and dumping lots of extra billions into the military complex.  Fortunately he never succeeded in buying off their loyalty.

Who knows how such an alternate reality goes, but the protests might have ramped up in reaction to such a blatant un-American approach to policing.  A military crackdown in US cities might have caused even greater division and helped Trump push lawnorder and overshadowed the Virus somewhat.  There almost certainly would have been more violence on both sides.   Hell, even more violence by armed Trump supporters at BLM protests could have sparked Trump to bring in the military.

As it was, Trump used unmarked Homeland security goons in Portland but it never became widespread or accepted.  But if Trump had invoked the Insurrection Act and the military was deployed to keep order/crack heads in US cities, this could have set the stage for Trump not only contesting the election result but claiming victory and having the military back him up.  Just saying this was possible if Trump had successfully put the military into the midst of US cities and the election campaign.
It might sound far-fetched but only because it didn't happen.  Trump never went full fascist or got the military fully on board with his personality cult.  But we also weren't that far from such a scenario being played out or tried.

You wonder if DiddleyBones  lives anywhere close to reality.
That mask he wears must cover his eyes AND ears.

Esper honored the Constitution and the law.  The public protest demonstrations did not meet the criteria of the exemptions to the Posse Comitatus Act.   

Why are you afraid of democracy?

[oilcan]

"land mass over people" -- good one.   Might have to borrow that.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Mr. Esper’s downfall had been expected for months, after he took the rare step in June of disagreeing publicly with Mr. Trump and saying that active-duty military troops should not be sent to control the wave of protests in American cities. The president, who had threatened to use the Insurrection Act to do exactly that, was furious, officials said.

There was a moment there where the use of the military in major cities was contemplated and could have occurred.  When Trump marched with his generals and defense secretary past protesters who had just been teargassed for a photo-op at a church he never attends.  Don't forget that Trump kept coddling and buddying up to the military by putting generals in charge in civilian positions and dumping lots of extra billions into the military complex.  Fortunately he never succeeded in buying off their loyalty.

Who knows how such an alternate reality goes, but the protests might have ramped up in reaction to such a blatant un-American approach to policing.  A military crackdown in US cities might have caused even greater division and helped Trump push lawnorder and overshadowed the Virus somewhat.  There almost certainly would have been more violence on both sides.   Hell, even more violence by armed Trump supporters at BLM protests could have sparked Trump to bring in the military.

As it was, Trump used unmarked Homeland security goons in Portland but it never became widespread or accepted.  But if Trump had invoked the Insurrection Act and the military was deployed to keep order/crack heads in US cities, this could have set the stage for Trump not only contesting the election result but claiming victory and having the military back him up.  Just saying this was possible if Trump had successfully put the military into the midst of US cities and the election campaign.
It might sound far-fetched but only because it didn't happen.  Trump never went full fascist or got the military fully on board with his personality cult.  But we also weren't that far from such a scenario being played out or tried.

You wonder if DiddleyBones  lives anywhere close to reality.
That mask he wears must cover his eyes AND ears.

Esper honored the Constitution and the law.  The public protest demonstrations did not meet the criteria of the exemptions to the Posse Comitatus Act.   

Why are you afraid of democracy?

You should ask that of the Generals and the NeverTrumpers.

[josh]

He just has to be the best candidate
I'd have to see who else is interested.  Ms Noem has been mentioned.  Mike Pence 
 Anyone else?

Given the hash Gov. Noem made of her state's COVID-19, I doubt she will be high on any national lists.

And I would love it if they nominated Mike Pence, who makes Bill Bradley look like Mr. Exciting, let alone Joe Biden or Kamala Harris!

I continue to be sorry that Condy Rice has not chosen that path. I expect Gov. Haley is eying it, especially now that the path has been somewhat trodden for her by Senator Harris.

I expect Chris Christie will give it one more shot. I wonder if Mitt is positioning himself to be the moderate, rational Republican. I am certain that Ted and Marco plan to go for it again, using everything they have learned from Trump's initial success. I think Mitt has the best shot of any of those, but I don't think he has a good chance.

Gov. Baker, Gov. DeSantis, Gov. Kemp, Gov. Hogan, Gov. Sununu, and Gov. Scott all seem like better bets than Gov. Noem, to me. I am not a fan of any of them, particularly, but Baker, Hogan, and Sununu seem to have handled this last year better than the others have.

Rick Scott? Tim Scott?

[josh]

Noem?   Trump's lap dog?   Allowed Sturgis to go and infect the northern tier of states,  and add to the rise in others?   Tried to stop sovereign Native tribes from protecting their people from covid with perfectly sensible checkpoints at Rez borders?   Promotes wild conspiracy theories?   Presided over second highest covid surge in US due to lax policies on spread?   Tried to conceal damning stats from the Argus Leader paper?

Right.

We might want to mark that post as an early indicator of just how bright Noem’s political future really is.

In what universe is poor crisis management and deceptive practices considered good government?

Ward's.

Nu?

[josh]

Red still supports trump. Poor crisis management and deceptive practices are considered good government in the leper colony of his mind.

They lost!

Not by much

Trump lost the popular vote on 2016 and lost it by a much larger margin in 2020.

There is no universe where Trump supporters outnumber the opposition.

Biden’s popular vote margin is skewed by the California vote.

Biden’s popular vote margin is skewed by a murderous campaign of disinformation, lies, and dirty tricks emanating from trump’s White House and other seats of American fascism. Without these treasonous efforts, the whole country will vote a lot more like California.

But those are going to be ongoing for as long as it seems effective, Fac.

What Ward wishes to ignore is that the votes are more skewed in the Idaho, Dakotas, etc. And while their electoral college votes add up fast, they are no more representative of America than California is.

The Biden advantage will widen as NY finishes its count, such that he would win the popular vote by a million or more even without California.

There are a lot of narrow win places, as I pointed out previously. Not all of them were won by Dems and they won't all be won by the GOP next time around.

[josh]

Mr. Esper’s downfall had been expected for months, after he took the rare step in June of disagreeing publicly with Mr. Trump and saying that active-duty military troops should not be sent to control the wave of protests in American cities. The president, who had threatened to use the Insurrection Act to do exactly that, was furious, officials said.

There was a moment there where the use of the military in major cities was contemplated and could have occurred.  When Trump marched with his generals and defense secretary past protesters who had just been teargassed for a photo-op at a church he never attends.  Don't forget that Trump kept coddling and buddying up to the military by putting generals in charge in civilian positions and dumping lots of extra billions into the military complex.  Fortunately he never succeeded in buying off their loyalty.

Who knows how such an alternate reality goes, but the protests might have ramped up in reaction to such a blatant un-American approach to policing.  A military crackdown in US cities might have caused even greater division and helped Trump push lawnorder and overshadowed the Virus somewhat.  There almost certainly would have been more violence on both sides.   Hell, even more violence by armed Trump supporters at BLM protests could have sparked Trump to bring in the military.

As it was, Trump used unmarked Homeland security goons in Portland but it never became widespread or accepted.  But if Trump had invoked the Insurrection Act and the military was deployed to keep order/crack heads in US cities, this could have set the stage for Trump not only contesting the election result but claiming victory and having the military back him up.  Just saying this was possible if Trump had successfully put the military into the midst of US cities and the election campaign.
It might sound far-fetched but only because it didn't happen.  Trump never went full fascist or got the military fully on board with his personality cult.  But we also weren't that far from such a scenario being played out or tried.

You wonder if DiddleyBones  lives anywhere close to reality.
That mask he wears must cover his eyes AND ears.

Esper honored the Constitution and the law.  The public protest demonstrations did not meet the criteria of the exemptions to the Posse Comitatus Act.   

Why are you afraid of democracy?

You should ask that of the Generals and the NeverTrumpers.

Ward should just say "usual non-answer," each time. No less informative. Fewer letters.