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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[kiidcarter8]

Concern for the future tops need for punishment of the past.

Yes.  President Trump's vision for the US and the world is ultra proper.

It’s all in the past, uh huh.  Let’s move on.  Except…Russia is suspected of assassinating a Chechen dissident in Berlin yesterday.  US intelligence has warned, repeatedly, that Russia is actively looking to interfere in 2020.  And as Bo points out, Russia’s illegal occupation of territories continues today.

But let’s talk about the past…

In the 2012 election then candidate Mitt Romney described Russia as the biggest threat to the United States out there, bigger than Islamic extremist terrorism.  He was mocked by some at the time, but whatever you think of the truth of it, this was the position of the Republican Nominee for President of the United States seven years ago. 

In 2014 Sen. John McCain wrote a column that was published in Russia in which he said that Putin “rules by corruption, repression and violence” and said that his regime was allied with “some of the world’s most offensive and threatening tyrannies.”

In 2017 the Republican-led Senate voted overwhelmingly to increase sanctions on Russia, 97-2.  Republicans issued the statement “It’s time to respond to Russia’s attack on American democracy with strength, with resolve, with common purpose, and with action.”

In 2018 Lindsay Graham said that Russian interference in our election was “a big deal” and that “we need more sanctions, not less.”

That same year, Paul Ryan called Russia “a menacing government that does not share our interests and does not share our values.”

But now just a year later we should let bygones be bygones and accept Putin back into our good graces because it’s what Trump wants and we have no reason, absolutely none, to think that despite its contradicting the long held position of his party, Trump’s position on Putin isn’t “ultra proper.”

You are too ridiculous kiidcarter8.  I stand by my previous comments regarding your undying defense of the indefensible Trump; it’s pathetic.

President Donald Trump is heavily considering a plan to block $250 million in military assistance to Ukraine, a move that would further ingratiate him to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Such a decision, which was first reported by Politico, would likely prompt bipartisan uproar from members of Congress who believe US aid is essential to countering Russia's military involvement there.

Multiple sources familiar with the issue tell CNN that the President has floated the idea of halting the funding program for weeks. The White House has recently notified relevant agencies and congressional committees of its intent to block the aid to Ukraine, one source said.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/29/politics/trump-ukraine-military-assistance/index.html

So we think a non U.S-funded Ukraine gets run over militarily by Russia?  Is that it, Needs?

[NeedsAdjustments]

Concern for the future tops need for punishment of the past.

Yes.  President Trump's vision for the US and the world is ultra proper.

It’s all in the past, uh huh.  Let’s move on.  Except…Russia is suspected of assassinating a Chechen dissident in Berlin yesterday.  US intelligence has warned, repeatedly, that Russia is actively looking to interfere in 2020.  And as Bo points out, Russia’s illegal occupation of territories continues today.

But let’s talk about the past…

In the 2012 election then candidate Mitt Romney described Russia as the biggest threat to the United States out there, bigger than Islamic extremist terrorism.  He was mocked by some at the time, but whatever you think of the truth of it, this was the position of the Republican Nominee for President of the United States seven years ago. 

In 2014 Sen. John McCain wrote a column that was published in Russia in which he said that Putin “rules by corruption, repression and violence” and said that his regime was allied with “some of the world’s most offensive and threatening tyrannies.”

In 2017 the Republican-led Senate voted overwhelmingly to increase sanctions on Russia, 97-2.  Republicans issued the statement “It’s time to respond to Russia’s attack on American democracy with strength, with resolve, with common purpose, and with action.”

In 2018 Lindsay Graham said that Russian interference in our election was “a big deal” and that “we need more sanctions, not less.”

That same year, Paul Ryan called Russia “a menacing government that does not share our interests and does not share our values.”

But now just a year later we should let bygones be bygones and accept Putin back into our good graces because it’s what Trump wants and we have no reason, absolutely none, to think that despite its contradicting the long held position of his party, Trump’s position on Putin isn’t “ultra proper.”

You are too ridiculous kiidcarter8.  I stand by my previous comments regarding your undying defense of the indefensible Trump; it’s pathetic.

President Donald Trump is heavily considering a plan to block $250 million in military assistance to Ukraine, a move that would further ingratiate him to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Such a decision, which was first reported by Politico, would likely prompt bipartisan uproar from members of Congress who believe US aid is essential to countering Russia's military involvement there.

Multiple sources familiar with the issue tell CNN that the President has floated the idea of halting the funding program for weeks. The White House has recently notified relevant agencies and congressional committees of its intent to block the aid to Ukraine, one source said.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/29/politics/trump-ukraine-military-assistance/index.html

So we think a non U.S-funded Ukraine gets run over militarily by Russia?  Is that it, Needs?

The concern shared by both parties in Congress but apparently not our "president" is stated in the article linked to, including in the paragraph I quoted.

[kiidcarter8]

Nah - reaaly... its not.

It's the usual hit piece, with general talk of who disagrees - not why - not what the potential pluses and minuses of respective action/inaction

They can be better - but they dont try

Soon Daniel and Tara may need promoting...

[oilcan]

Staying in the Tampa area, the screened porches are called lanais from the Hawaiian. Very uncomfortable to sleep in the mostly 80s and 90s. Surprisingly utility bills are over 50% lower than in the northeast. First hurricane of the season Dorian is coming.

Yeah, I've heard of those.  If it doesn't fall below the 80s at night, that is indeed a hot climate.  As the article points out, people actually adapt to that pretty well where AC doesn't exist.  The body physically changes so that one can sleep comfortably at those temperatures.  And local dress is usually better suited (NPI) to the climate where AC isn't available.  I don't know if that can still happen, now that so many people have lived an entire life always with AC (and are also, on average, much more obese than in the past).  And cities are so hot now, due to the UHI effect.  I remember living in southern Kansas in a smallish city, without AC in the early 60's and everyone did fine with box fans and open windows at night.

Good luck with Dorian. 

[facilitatorn]

Is it slowly dawning on Kid what happens when the unelected abomination does service for his puppeteers and his creditors?

[kiidcarter8]

This one is a little better

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/28/trump-ukraine-military-aid-russia-1689531

Trump meeting with Ukrainian leadershlp this weekend

[NeedsAdjustments]

Nah - reaaly... its not.

It's the usual hit piece, with general talk of who disagrees - not why - not what the potential pluses and minuses of respective action/inaction

They can be better - but they dont try

Soon Daniel and Tara may need promoting...

General talk of who disagrees...like, everyone disagrees, including the Pentagon:

The US has provided Ukraine with more than $1 billion in security assistance since 2014 as it has sought to bolster the country's military, which is facing an ongoing conflict with separatists in the country's east, forces the Pentagon believes are backed, armed and even led by Moscow.

In 2017, the Trump administration announced its decision to provide lethal anti-tank weapons, including US-made Javelin missiles, to Ukraine.

But what do they know, compared to a Bankruptcy-prone real estate developer with a hit reality TV show.

[NeedsAdjustments]

This one is a little better

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/28/trump-ukraine-military-aid-russia-1689531

Trump meeting with Ukrainian leadershlp this weekend

Yup.  So he can blackmail them in person.

[barton]

The sock puppet in chief.  But tries to disguise it as a principled stand against foreign involvements and messy geopoliticking, no doubt.  Phony isolationism.  I wonder if Vlad realized what an astonishingly useful fool he was getting for his money.

[NeedsAdjustments]

The sock puppet in chief.  But tries to disguise it as a principled stand against foreign involvements and messy geopoliticking, no doubt.  Phony isolationism.  I wonder if Vlad realized what an astonishingly useful fool he was getting for his money.

I actually see Putin watching the news from his office holding his palms down in a slow motion, saying "Donald, take it down a notch.  You are giving away the game."

[NeedsAdjustments]

The sock puppet in chief.  But tries to disguise it as a principled stand against foreign involvements and messy geopoliticking, no doubt.  Phony isolationism.  I wonder if Vlad realized what an astonishingly useful fool he was getting for his money.

I actually see Putin watching the news from his office holding his palms down in a slow motion, saying "Donald, take it down a notch.  You are giving away the game."

And even if you think there has been no direct communication between the two re: Trump’s stanning for Putin, how is Putin to take the bundle of gifts our “president” is lining up as 2020 approaches and as he grows more concerned about his reelection prospects?

“Bombs away Vlad.  You will be richly rewarded.” It’s the clear message.  Not even in code.

[kiidcarter8]

US looking at reducing a series of foreign expenditures - not just Ukraine

But rock on with the narrative. 

[facilitatorn]

US looking at reducing a series of foreign expenditures - not just Ukraine

But rock on with the narrative.

The new refrain of the gasping fish on the line. That fat hook in your lip really does a lot to help your credibility.

No one is saying that only one nation has bought enough of trump to give him orders. He’s been turned out. He’s chickenheading in every executive limo that pulls up on his corner a la Chris Rick in New Jack City.

[LarryBnDC]

US looking at reducing a series of foreign expenditures - not just Ukraine

But rock on with the narrative.

The new refrain of the gasping fish on the line. That fat hook in your lip really does a lot to help your credibility.

No one is saying that only one nation has bought enough of trump to give him orders. He’s been turned out. He’s chickenheading in every executive limo that pulls up on his corner a la Chris Rick in New Jack City.

Don’t wake kind, he’s dreaming...

[LarryBnDC]

"What does it mean to have the story of Eugene Williams, 17 year-old black boy, which then becomes the story of Emmett Till, which ten becomes the story of Laquan McDonald?" she asks. "What does it mean for us to be constantly living this recurring nightmare?"


Is the past prologue?

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/07/27/744130358/red-summer-in-chicago-100-years-after-the-race-riots