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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[LarryBnDC]

MSNBC enjoying their Newsom party tonight-    heh - as if there is anything to celebrate.

Dems cheated , right Hans?

[facilitatorn]

Republicans have found a way to clean up right wing radio

That is six off the AM dial for good so far

Gargle with what now?

Really?

[josh]

Kid may deny that the GOP is working actively against masks and vaccinations, but this NH Representative disagrees with him

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/lawmaker-switches-from-republican-to-democrat-due-to-nh-gops-anti-vaccine-stance/2491873/

Nor is it hard to tell from the rhetoric spoken by the NH Speaker of the House what the GOP is advocating.

It is not CNN, Kid.

It is FACTS.

Deal.

And stop lying.

[LarryBnDC]

Red left the United States when he rode the dragon to fentanyl island. He has yet to come back.

They have a different constitution there being made up by Steve Bannon on the fly and misinterpreted by Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones.

It is utter nonsense but if you want to know what it says it is basically The Walrus and the Carpenter reinterpreted as Vogon poetry.

The GOP has been operating within their alternate universe since Newt Gingrich wrecked government.

They have disdain for those of us who live in reality based community while they dwell on Earth 2

[LarryBnDC]

Kid may deny that the GOP is working actively against masks and vaccinations, but this NH Representative disagrees with him

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/lawmaker-switches-from-republican-to-democrat-due-to-nh-gops-anti-vaccine-stance/2491873/

Nor is it hard to tell from the rhetoric spoken by the NH Speaker of the House what the GOP is advocating.

It is not CNN, Kid.

It is FACTS.

Deal.

And stop lying.

TRUE BELIEVER

Would have been right at home at Camp Yaphank.

[Hairy Lime]

I am SHOCKED, I tell you - that so many Republicans oppose an unconstitutional vaccine mandate.  Shocked.

Good thing, then,  that vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional.  And pretty much like literally hundreds of other public health measures throughout our nation's history.

The vaccine mandate proposed by Biden is unconstitutional.

It's not.   Which is why you never actually cite the constitutional basis, but just keep making the same unsupported assertion.

I already have. We covered this when the issue first came up in 2020.
The Federal Government cannot not impose mandates on the states.
New York v. United States (1992) would be a good precedent to learn.

It sure would! You should learn it. What mandate is Biden opposing on the states that you think NY v. US impacts? Because the answer is "none" since Biden is not mandating or incentives legislation by the states.

The mandate being worked on by OSHA.
Biden is trying to work around the Constitution.

Not even in the ball park for the NY v US case. You could drop a nuclear bomb on the NY case and OSHA regulating work place health and safety would not even get radiation burns. The right wing web site you are pulling the argument from is playing you for a gullible ass.

the Ball Park is the Constitution.
NY vs. US established Congress is limited by the Constitution in laws dealing with state mandates.
The President  gets his power from Congress and the Constitution. Neither of which grant him the power to establish state Mandates.
Ergo, as the cited case affirms, the Federal Government has no power to establish state mandates.

The case is about mandating official state actions. What official state action does the vaccine mandate require?

There no Mandate since Biden and his gang  cannot come up with one to pass Constitutional muster.
But, as the Constitution directs and has been endorsed by SCOTUS the Federal government cannot directly compel the States to pass certain laws or act in accord with the Federal government
In Murphy v. NCAA,Justice Alito, writing for the majority,explained  that the Federal government could neither compel a State to enact legislation or forbid it.

Well, you finally at least read the syllabus for the case. Congratulations. What official state action is the vaccine mandate requiring? The answer, to save you time, is none.

None yet.
If there is one it will be unconstitutional.

Yes, and if he attempts to dissolve Congress that will also be unconstitutional. But since he has not indicated he intends to do anything of the sort - either your hypothetical or mine - what in the Holy Name of God are you blathering about?

That any mandate, of a state or a private business by the Federal Government, is unconstitutional.

So, OSHA cannot mandate goggles or other protective equipment?

For what?

And with that, Red raises the white flag.

No, you did.
For what reason can OSHA mandate goggles?
You know the answer, that

Ob, you did. So why did you ask?  You made the foolish blanket claim that any fed mandates were unconstitutional. 

And they are

So OSHA cannot mandate goggles or other protective equipment?

[josh]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/14/kids-cases-increase-latest-coronavirus-updates/8326419002/

1 in 500 Americans have died from COVID-19, conservatively.

[REDSTATEWARD]

I am SHOCKED, I tell you - that so many Republicans oppose an unconstitutional vaccine mandate.  Shocked.

Good thing, then,  that vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional.  And pretty much like literally hundreds of other public health measures throughout our nation's history.

The vaccine mandate proposed by Biden is unconstitutional.

It's not.   Which is why you never actually cite the constitutional basis, but just keep making the same unsupported assertion.

I already have. We covered this when the issue first came up in 2020.
The Federal Government cannot not impose mandates on the states.
New York v. United States (1992) would be a good precedent to learn.

It sure would! You should learn it. What mandate is Biden opposing on the states that you think NY v. US impacts? Because the answer is "none" since Biden is not mandating or incentives legislation by the states.

The mandate being worked on by OSHA.
Biden is trying to work around the Constitution.

Not even in the ball park for the NY v US case. You could drop a nuclear bomb on the NY case and OSHA regulating work place health and safety would not even get radiation burns. The right wing web site you are pulling the argument from is playing you for a gullible ass.

the Ball Park is the Constitution.
NY vs. US established Congress is limited by the Constitution in laws dealing with state mandates.
The President  gets his power from Congress and the Constitution. Neither of which grant him the power to establish state Mandates.
Ergo, as the cited case affirms, the Federal Government has no power to establish state mandates.

The case is about mandating official state actions. What official state action does the vaccine mandate require?

There no Mandate since Biden and his gang  cannot come up with one to pass Constitutional muster.
But, as the Constitution directs and has been endorsed by SCOTUS the Federal government cannot directly compel the States to pass certain laws or act in accord with the Federal government
In Murphy v. NCAA,Justice Alito, writing for the majority,explained  that the Federal government could neither compel a State to enact legislation or forbid it.

Well, you finally at least read the syllabus for the case. Congratulations. What official state action is the vaccine mandate requiring? The answer, to save you time, is none.

None yet.
If there is one it will be unconstitutional.

Yes, and if he attempts to dissolve Congress that will also be unconstitutional. But since he has not indicated he intends to do anything of the sort - either your hypothetical or mine - what in the Holy Name of God are you blathering about?

That any mandate, of a state or a private business by the Federal Government, is unconstitutional.

So, OSHA cannot mandate goggles or other protective equipment?

For what?

And with that, Red raises the white flag.

No, you did.
For what reason can OSHA mandate goggles?
You know the answer, that

Ob, you did. So why did you ask?  You made the foolish blanket claim that any fed mandates were unconstitutional. 

And they are

So OSHA cannot mandate goggles or other protective equipment?

Or course it can. And you can unleash squirrels 

[bankshot1]

STOLEN!

[facilitatorn]

Gavin Newsom over 45 of the best republicans in a population of 40 million.

Sadly the republicans are sending their best they are just none of them any good.

[facilitatorn]

Not being Abbott or DeSantis is just as popular in California as it is in Florida and Texas.

[josh]

https://www.thecentersquare.com/new_hampshire/lawmaker-wants-new-hampshire-to-declare-independence/article_2044004a-1594-11ec-90e8-9747bedeaf33.html

New Hampshire Republicans are special.

State Rep. Mike Sylvia, a Belmont Republican, said he has filed a proposed constitutional amendment that would ask voters in the 2022 midterm elections to break ties with Washington, D.C., and become a separate nation-state.

In an interview, Sylvia said he filed the measure in response to the federal government's actions to prevent spread of the coronavirus, including the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's eviction ban and more recently President Joe Biden's mandate requiring federal workers to get vaccinated.


"There are hundreds of examples of the federal government overstepping its authority," he told The Center Square. "Enough is enough. We should put this before the voters to decide."

I can only hope that the voters, when they put Rep Sylvia up for reelection choose a different person to take his seat.

[josh]

https://www.ledgertranscript.com/Survey-One-in-five-New-Hampshire-adults-say-they-won-t-get-vaccinated-42453613

According to the survey, one in five New Hampshire adults say they won

[Hairy Lime]

I am SHOCKED, I tell you - that so many Republicans oppose an unconstitutional vaccine mandate.  Shocked.

Good thing, then,  that vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional.  And pretty much like literally hundreds of other public health measures throughout our nation's history.

The vaccine mandate proposed by Biden is unconstitutional.

It's not.   Which is why you never actually cite the constitutional basis, but just keep making the same unsupported assertion.

I already have. We covered this when the issue first came up in 2020.
The Federal Government cannot not impose mandates on the states.
New York v. United States (1992) would be a good precedent to learn.

It sure would! You should learn it. What mandate is Biden opposing on the states that you think NY v. US impacts? Because the answer is "none" since Biden is not mandating or incentives legislation by the states.

The mandate being worked on by OSHA.
Biden is trying to work around the Constitution.

Not even in the ball park for the NY v US case. You could drop a nuclear bomb on the NY case and OSHA regulating work place health and safety would not even get radiation burns. The right wing web site you are pulling the argument from is playing you for a gullible ass.

the Ball Park is the Constitution.
NY vs. US established Congress is limited by the Constitution in laws dealing with state mandates.
The President  gets his power from Congress and the Constitution. Neither of which grant him the power to establish state Mandates.
Ergo, as the cited case affirms, the Federal Government has no power to establish state mandates.

The case is about mandating official state actions. What official state action does the vaccine mandate require?

There no Mandate since Biden and his gang  cannot come up with one to pass Constitutional muster.
But, as the Constitution directs and has been endorsed by SCOTUS the Federal government cannot directly compel the States to pass certain laws or act in accord with the Federal government
In Murphy v. NCAA,Justice Alito, writing for the majority,explained  that the Federal government could neither compel a State to enact legislation or forbid it.

Well, you finally at least read the syllabus for the case. Congratulations. What official state action is the vaccine mandate requiring? The answer, to save you time, is none.

None yet.
If there is one it will be unconstitutional.

Yes, and if he attempts to dissolve Congress that will also be unconstitutional. But since he has not indicated he intends to do anything of the sort - either your hypothetical or mine - what in the Holy Name of God are you blathering about?

That any mandate, of a state or a private business by the Federal Government, is unconstitutional.

So, OSHA cannot mandate goggles or other protective equipment?

For what?

And with that, Red raises the white flag.

No, you did.
For what reason can OSHA mandate goggles?
You know the answer, that

Ob, you did. So why did you ask?  You made the foolish blanket claim that any fed mandates were unconstitutional. 

And they are

So OSHA cannot mandate goggles or other protective equipment?

Or course it can. And you can unleash squirrels

So if Federal mandates are unconstitutional how can a federal agency mandate goggles?

[Hairy Lime]

https://www.thecentersquare.com/new_hampshire/lawmaker-wants-new-hampshire-to-declare-independence/article_2044004a-1594-11ec-90e8-9747bedeaf33.html

New Hampshire Republicans are special.

State Rep. Mike Sylvia, a Belmont Republican, said he has filed a proposed constitutional amendment that would ask voters in the 2022 midterm elections to break ties with Washington, D.C., and become a separate nation-state.

In an interview, Sylvia said he filed the measure in response to the federal government's actions to prevent spread of the coronavirus, including the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's eviction ban and more recently President Joe Biden's mandate requiring federal workers to get vaccinated.


"There are hundreds of examples of the federal government overstepping its authority," he told The Center Square. "Enough is enough. We should put this before the voters to decide."

I can only hope that the voters, when they put Rep Sylvia up for reelection choose a different person to take his seat.

Too small for a country, too large for an insane asylum. As the saying goes.