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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[bankshot1]

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/george-floyds-lawyer-asks-united-nations-to-intervene-in-case/ar-BB15cvRn?li=AAgfYrC&OCID=AVRES000

George Floyd's Lawyer Asks United Nations to Intervene in Case

Ben Crump, the attorney representing George Floyd's family, has called on the United Nations to intervene and investigate the circumstances around the middle-aged black man's death and to make recommendations about law enforcement reforms.

"The United States of America has a long pattern and practice of depriving Black citizens of the fundamental human right to life ...The United States government has consistently failed to hold police accountable and did not bring Federal criminal charges even in cases with irrefutable video evidence. When a group of people of any nation have been systemically deprived of their universal human right to life by its government for decades, it must appeal to the international community for its support and to the United Nations for its intervention," Crump said.

Here's a vid of Malcolm X on TV in 1965 (being called Mr. X by the white interviewers) calling for that exact same thing.  For the UN to investigate human rights abuses in America v. black people.

I'd rather we have a "Kerner" style biparisan multi-racial commission than ask the Russians and Chinese to critique and provide solemn guidance and provide pointers to help us solve our racial problems, societal ills and the unfairness in our soceity.

But to borrow and paraphrase the musing of a wise man, "I'm sure they will mean well."

perhaps we can get North Korea's thoughts as well.

Mr Crump might be better served talking with the Biden camp than the Putin or Xi representatives.

Bi partisan?

With what Republican?

Fuck a study you know what to do.

I'm not ready to damn all Repubs, just most of them.

And I know what to do-VOTE.

And work for your self-interest

so as I've posted a few gazillion times

Strategize, organize, register voters, and VOTE.

Other than that I don't know all the the programs and reforms and resources that are needed to lead to justice and change hate to understanding.

But pols and social scientists and professors and municipal planners and communities and people might address needs and resources and how to attack the problem.

So a Biden Admin organized bi-partisan study with some inputs and thoughts from Repubs might be helpful.

And granted the list is not long, but Mitt, Gen'l Powell, George W Bush George Will, et would add some bi-partisan flavor to a fact-finding solution seeking study

I might even put Susan Collins on a short list to wring her hands in sympathy.

YMMV

fwiw my post was about Crump going to the UN where despotism and abusive governments abusing their citizens are the norm, and seeking guidance there for the problems in the US. Struck me as just bullshit PR.

Happy motoring

Fuck that.

The GOP and their donor class built this and all the Never Trumpets are complicit.

The GOP structure must go the way not of the Whigs but of Carthage.

Pounded to rubble, burned to ashes and then sowed in the earth with salt.

Those of good faith (and that does NOT include Senator Tremble Chin from Maine) should gather with conservatives and rid themselves of the GOP Death Cult.

They’re gonna spend time 8n the wilderness and it is well deserved.

Thats a very reasonable and workable solution for a country where Trump got 46% of the vote in 2016.

You propose a dictatorship of the left.

I'm guessing that will not end well for those who are seeking long-term transformational societal change.

I think if you can invest some repubs you get a better chance of success.

But I could be dead wrong.

[CaptainCargo]

Poll puts Trump down 14 points to Biden in general election showdown

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/poll-trump-down-14-points-to-biden-in-general-election-showdown

before everyone dies of c19 or police brutality

.




That poll - some would call it an outlier - should right itself next week

General Election: Trump vs. Biden   The Hill/HarrisX   Biden 47, Trump 37   Biden +10
General Election: Trump vs. Biden   CNN   Biden 55, Trump 41   Biden +14

Not much of an outlier.

And yes, it should correct itself, perhaps to Biden +18.

Hillary also had the election sewn up before the voting began

Biden is not Clinton. He does not have her massive negative polling. Voters who dislike both either stayed home or voted for Trump bigly. The dynamic that got him those votes works against him this time. And the type of.October Surprise that gutted Clinton is just not there for Biden.

You could be right. But I think Biden is doting into senility. Not sure if he will last until November. Would the democrats still vote for a man that seems to be losing his grip on reality?

[LarryBnDC]

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/george-floyds-lawyer-asks-united-nations-to-intervene-in-case/ar-BB15cvRn?li=AAgfYrC&OCID=AVRES000

George Floyd's Lawyer Asks United Nations to Intervene in Case

Ben Crump, the attorney representing George Floyd's family, has called on the United Nations to intervene and investigate the circumstances around the middle-aged black man's death and to make recommendations about law enforcement reforms.

"The United States of America has a long pattern and practice of depriving Black citizens of the fundamental human right to life ...The United States government has consistently failed to hold police accountable and did not bring Federal criminal charges even in cases with irrefutable video evidence. When a group of people of any nation have been systemically deprived of their universal human right to life by its government for decades, it must appeal to the international community for its support and to the United Nations for its intervention," Crump said.

Here's a vid of Malcolm X on TV in 1965 (being called Mr. X by the white interviewers) calling for that exact same thing.  For the UN to investigate human rights abuses in America v. black people.

I'd rather we have a "Kerner" style biparisan multi-racial commission than ask the Russians and Chinese to critique and provide solemn guidance and provide pointers to help us solve our racial problems, societal ills and the unfairness in our soceity.

But to borrow and paraphrase the musing of a wise man, "I'm sure they will mean well."

perhaps we can get North Korea's thoughts as well.

Mr Crump might be better served talking with the Biden camp than the Putin or Xi representatives.

Bi partisan?

With what Republican?

Fuck a study you know what to do.

I'm not ready to damn all Repubs, just most of them.

And I know what to do-VOTE.

And work for your self-interest

so as I've posted a few gazillion times

Strategize, organize, register voters, and VOTE.

Other than that I don't know all the the programs and reforms and resources that are needed to lead to justice and change hate to understanding.

But pols and social scientists and professors and municipal planners and communities and people might address needs and resources and how to attack the problem.

So a Biden Admin organized bi-partisan study with some inputs and thoughts from Repubs might be helpful.

And granted the list is not long, but Mitt, Gen'l Powell, George W Bush George Will, et would add some bi-partisan flavor to a fact-finding solution seeking study

I might even put Susan Collins on a short list to wring her hands in sympathy.

YMMV

fwiw my post was about Crump going to the UN where despotism and abusive governments abusing their citizens are the norm, and seeking guidance there for the problems in the US. Struck me as just bullshit PR.

Happy motoring

Fuck that.

The GOP and their donor class built this and all the Never Trumpets are complicit.

The GOP structure must go the way not of the Whigs but of Carthage.

Pounded to rubble, burned to ashes and then sowed in the earth with salt.

Those of good faith (and that does NOT include Senator Tremble Chin from Maine) should gather with conservatives and rid themselves of the GOP Death Cult.

They’re gonna spend time 8n the wilderness and it is well deserved.

Thats a very reasonable and workable solution for a country where Trump got 46% of the vote in 2016.

You propose a dictatorship of the left.

I'm guessing that will not end well for those who are seeking long-term transformational societal change.

I think if you can invest some repubs you get a better chance of success.

But I could be dead wrong.

Forget 2016! 2016 is BUPKUS!


White man Joe ain’t white woman Hillary.

When the nation was on the precipice of financial calamity what did the GOP do to work k with Democrats to help set things right?

Nothing.

What do Republicans do to help marginalized communities?

Nothing but suppress their vote do 5hry can’t use the franchise for representation

It’s not a dictatorship it’s a majority.

The Dems wont blowup the GOP the GOP already did that on their own.


https://exjournalistsunite.wordpress.com/2019/08/22/remember-democrats-the-middle-of-the-road-is-where-you-get-run-over/

[CaptainCargo]

Cap I think Fox distorts its news shows to further a politcal view. Ailes created Fox to protect and promote Republican interests. And thats what it does. And prime time talking heads (opinion not news), Hannity, Carlson, Ingrham are totally in the Trump bag. IMO there is no objectivity on prime time Fox. Again they know they're bullshitting but they don't care. They feed the base a lot of red meat even if it ultimately gives them heart disease.

MSNBC editorial take is almost a mirror political image, but I do not think they distort facts to shape it to a political view. They promote a liberal agenda. And they are selective in their presentations. But knowing the biases I still generally trust their take 

CNN is reasonably neutral in its presentation of facts but it does have an anti-Trump feel to it. but then again Trump has been trying to destroy dissent and free speech in this country for 3 years, and has bashed CNN as fake news, so a spirited defense is IMO warranted.

and I realize you can rationalize the MSNBC/Fox biases as a wash, but one is far more toxic than the other.

I respect your viewpoint Rich. But I am still firmly of the mind that both are incredible homers for their cause/s. And both unabashedly spout out biased propaganda by the truckload.

If I ever saw a news broadcaster these days (any broadcaster) just reporting the news without try to nuance it one way or the other I think I'd fall over with shock.

Cap-I think big picture we're going to have to agree to disagree. While I agree there is too much editorial partisan spin in the newsroom of the 3 cable players, I mentioned, IMO one is purely partisan and to me is disingenuous and with clear political aims. And I understand you might make the same comment about one of the networks.

And this is the tricky part, how do you know if you heard news without nuance? It could be straight reporting. I think we have to trust what we see in the world as limited a perspective as that may be, and do our best to apply common sense to it. And again, I understand you could make the same comment and we would be 180" in disagreement.

Hope you and the family are well.

Good post and that's the tricky thing about it Rich. But it seems a lost cause these days that people of good will can come together. And IMO it's, to a large part, directly the fault of these slanted "news" casters on both sides. They do more to stoke the fires of dissension rather than the man, or woman, on the street would ever do. Hard to come together when the rabble rousers won't clam up.


Family is well. Freaking flowers are everywhere. I hope you and yours are also well. 

[bankshot1]

Would the democrats still vote for a man that seems to be losing his grip on reality?]Would the democrats still vote for a man that seems to be losing his grip on reality?

Dems won't vote for Trump, even if he were sane. He's mean and crazy without an empathetic bone in his body.

Oh you mean.

Joe's just a little old. He may have lost a few miles off his fastball, but he's not senile or an authoritarian dictatorwannabe. 

[LarryBnDC]

Poll puts Trump down 14 points to Biden in general election showdown

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/poll-trump-down-14-points-to-biden-in-general-election-showdown

before everyone dies of c19 or police brutality

.




That poll - some would call it an outlier - should right itself next week

General Election: Trump vs. Biden   The Hill/HarrisX   Biden 47, Trump 37   Biden +10
General Election: Trump vs. Biden   CNN   Biden 55, Trump 41   Biden +14

Not much of an outlier.

And yes, it should correct itself, perhaps to Biden +18.

Hillary also had the election sewn up before the voting began

Biden is not Clinton. He does not have her massive negative polling. Voters who dislike both either stayed home or voted for Trump bigly. The dynamic that got him those votes works against him this time. And the type of.October Surprise that gutted Clinton is just not there for Biden.

You could be right. But I think Biden is doting into senility. Not sure if he will last until November. Would the democrats still vote for a man that seems to be losing his grip on reality?

Senility?

Seriously?

As opposed to the insanely stupid syphilitic pill popping sociopath in the WhiteHouse?

Equal bias?

Nah.

[facilitatorn]

Thats a very reasonable and workable solution for a country where Trump got 46% of the vote in 2016.

You propose a dictatorship of the left.

I'm guessing that will not end well for those who are seeking long-term transformational societal change.

I think if you can invest some repubs you get a better chance of success.

But I could be dead wrong.

2 points. First, by all means hear from everyone. Start a full bore truth & reconciliation process on a formal federal scale.

Second, the republican party is far more criminal than ideological at this point in its evolution. It remains tied to the right mainly by right wing support for all kinds of criminality from its leaders and heroes. As a right wing, post-racists libertarians and conservatives can step into the huge smoking crater that needs to be where the republicans are standing and have built their abominations if the United States is to survive.

[bankshot1]

Cap I think Fox distorts its news shows to further a politcal view. Ailes created Fox to protect and promote Republican interests. And thats what it does. And prime time talking heads (opinion not news), Hannity, Carlson, Ingrham are totally in the Trump bag. IMO there is no objectivity on prime time Fox. Again they know they're bullshitting but they don't care. They feed the base a lot of red meat even if it ultimately gives them heart disease.

MSNBC editorial take is almost a mirror political image, but I do not think they distort facts to shape it to a political view. They promote a liberal agenda. And they are selective in their presentations. But knowing the biases I still generally trust their take 

CNN is reasonably neutral in its presentation of facts but it does have an anti-Trump feel to it. but then again Trump has been trying to destroy dissent and free speech in this country for 3 years, and has bashed CNN as fake news, so a spirited defense is IMO warranted.

and I realize you can rationalize the MSNBC/Fox biases as a wash, but one is far more toxic than the other.

I respect your viewpoint Rich. But I am still firmly of the mind that both are incredible homers for their cause/s. And both unabashedly spout out biased propaganda by the truckload.

If I ever saw a news broadcaster these days (any broadcaster) just reporting the news without try to nuance it one way or the other I think I'd fall over with shock.

Cap-I think big picture we're going to have to agree to disagree. While I agree there is too much editorial partisan spin in the newsroom of the 3 cable players, I mentioned, IMO one is purely partisan and to me is disingenuous and with clear political aims. And I understand you might make the same comment about one of the networks.

And this is the tricky part, how do you know if you heard news without nuance? It could be straight reporting. I think we have to trust what we see in the world as limited a perspective as that may be, and do our best to apply common sense to it. And again, I understand you could make the same comment and we would be 180" in disagreement.

Hope you and the family are well.

Good post and that's the tricky thing about it Rich. But it seems a lost cause these days that people of good will can come together. And IMO it's, to a large part, directly the fault of these slanted "news" casters on both sides. They do more to stoke the fires of dissension rather than the man, or woman, on the street would ever do. Hard to come together when the rabble rousers won't clam up.


Family is well. Freaking flowers are everywhere. I hope you and yours are also well.

Life was simpler when we just ragged on each other about baseball.

Sports hate was understandable and not so vile.

I think we need sports to return so we can put the hate back where it belongs.

[CaptainCargo]

And this is the tricky part, how do you know if you heard news without nuance? It could be straight reporting. I think we have to trust what we see in the world as limited a perspective as that may be, and do our best to apply common sense to it. And again, I understand you could make the same comment and we would be 180" in disagreement.

Guys, we are talking about a STATE MEDIA level of disinformation coming from the Right.

Take the case of the 75 year old man in Buffalo who was violently shoved by police and is now in critical condition in the hospital.  We all saw the horrible video.  He was assaulted, and almost killed, blood coming out of his ears as he laid on the ground.

Enter OAN, in a report that draws absurd connections between the man and "Antifa" because they contend (with no evidence, citing only "sources") that he was using his phone to monitor police scanners and to block their communications, supposedly a tactic "Antifa" uses.  It then makes the leap from that not even tenuous connection to contend that his assault was a false flag operation, staged to make the police look bad.

Watch it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZrdldD8yeQ

There is so much here...the total lack of sources cited for what they contend.  Then their contentions not even pointing to what they say it does.  The report title and banner headline leave no room for interpretation; he was an ANTIFA PROVOCATEUR!  No question.  And of course, therefore it means the whole attack was staged...

Then enter Trump who repeats the totally baseless speculation (ie lies) on twitter.  Rinse, repeat.  Same thing happens with FOX.  And this is EVERY DAY these guys pumping out this total bullshit.

The idea that CNN is in that category is so laughably off base and without evidence that the contention is in itself biased.

Totally agree. That old codger was a threat to nobody. Walk around him Mr. Policeman.

I'm conservative. But that's not the dirty word some folks make it out to be.

[CaptainCargo]

Cap I think Fox distorts its news shows to further a politcal view. Ailes created Fox to protect and promote Republican interests. And thats what it does. And prime time talking heads (opinion not news), Hannity, Carlson, Ingrham are totally in the Trump bag. IMO there is no objectivity on prime time Fox. Again they know they're bullshitting but they don't care. They feed the base a lot of red meat even if it ultimately gives them heart disease.

MSNBC editorial take is almost a mirror political image, but I do not think they distort facts to shape it to a political view. They promote a liberal agenda. And they are selective in their presentations. But knowing the biases I still generally trust their take 

CNN is reasonably neutral in its presentation of facts but it does have an anti-Trump feel to it. but then again Trump has been trying to destroy dissent and free speech in this country for 3 years, and has bashed CNN as fake news, so a spirited defense is IMO warranted.

and I realize you can rationalize the MSNBC/Fox biases as a wash, but one is far more toxic than the other.

I respect your viewpoint Rich. But I am still firmly of the mind that both are incredible homers for their cause/s. And both unabashedly spout out biased propaganda by the truckload.

If I ever saw a news broadcaster these days (any broadcaster) just reporting the news without try to nuance it one way or the other I think I'd fall over with shock.

If a newscaster labels a lie by Trump a lie is that bias?

If a newscaster says the 75 year old guy in Buffalo from the Catholic Worker was using a “scanner” and then flopped on purpose so he could bang his head on the sidewalk and have blood pour from his ears just to make the cops and Trump look bad, would you say that’s biased?

There’s bias but it is asymmetrical.

That is a fact.

I'm not going to find tit for tat examples of the left media lying and knowing they were lying. They're out there but I'm not here to delineate some sort of line that proves one side is "worse" than the other. I'm here to say they are both biased and yes both lie. A definite and willful distortion of the truth is lying and both sides do it. I'm not here to rah rah rah for either of them. I find both sides of this media war "deplorables".

[LarryBnDC]

Thats a very reasonable and workable solution for a country where Trump got 46% of the vote in 2016.

You propose a dictatorship of the left.

I'm guessing that will not end well for those who are seeking long-term transformational societal change.

I think if you can invest some repubs you get a better chance of success.

But I could be dead wrong.

2 points. First, by all means hear from everyone. Start a full bore truth & reconciliation process on a formal federal scale.

Second, the republican party is far more criminal than ideological at this point in its evolution. It remains tied to the right mainly by right wing support for all kinds of criminality from its leaders and heroes. As a right wing, post-racists libertarians and conservatives can step into the huge smoking crater that needs to be where the republicans are standing and have built their abominations if the United States is to survive.

Truth and Reconciliation is the best way forward.

[LarryBnDC]

And this is the tricky part, how do you know if you heard news without nuance? It could be straight reporting. I think we have to trust what we see in the world as limited a perspective as that may be, and do our best to apply common sense to it. And again, I understand you could make the same comment and we would be 180" in disagreement.

Guys, we are talking about a STATE MEDIA level of disinformation coming from the Right.

Take the case of the 75 year old man in Buffalo who was violently shoved by police and is now in critical condition in the hospital.  We all saw the horrible video.  He was assaulted, and almost killed, blood coming out of his ears as he laid on the ground.

Enter OAN, in a report that draws absurd connections between the man and "Antifa" because they contend (with no evidence, citing only "sources") that he was using his phone to monitor police scanners and to block their communications, supposedly a tactic "Antifa" uses.  It then makes the leap from that not even tenuous connection to contend that his assault was a false flag operation, staged to make the police look bad.

Watch it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZrdldD8yeQ

There is so much here...the total lack of sources cited for what they contend.  Then their contentions not even pointing to what they say it does.  The report title and banner headline leave no room for interpretation; he was an ANTIFA PROVOCATEUR!  No question.  And of course, therefore it means the whole attack was staged...

Then enter Trump who repeats the totally baseless speculation (ie lies) on twitter.  Rinse, repeat.  Same thing happens with FOX.  And this is EVERY DAY these guys pumping out this total bullshit.

The idea that CNN is in that category is so laughably off base and without evidence that the contention is in itself biased.

Totally agree. That old codger was a threat to nobody. Walk around him Mr. Policeman.

I'm conservative. But that's not the dirty word some folks make it out to be.

Sorry but these days that says accomplice to me

[LarryBnDC]

Just when you think it cannot get more ridiculous they find a new level of cynicism.

Trump speech on race relations (dumb idea to begin with, BIRTH CERTIFICATE) is reportedly being written by Stephen Miller, the Administration’s resident Nazi.





https://twitter.com/aprildryan/status/1270433974934999041?s=21

[CaptainCargo]

Would the democrats still vote for a man that seems to be losing his grip on reality?]Would the democrats still vote for a man that seems to be losing his grip on reality?

Dems won't vote for Trump, even if he were sane. He's mean and crazy without an empathetic bone in his body.

Oh you mean.

Joe's just a little old. He may have lost a few miles off his fastball, but he's not senile or an authoritarian dictatorwannabe.

Yes friend I know democrats wouldn't turn to Trump even if they were on fire and he was water. My suggestion was would they come out and vote? Apathy can lose an election too.

[bankshot1]

Thats a very reasonable and workable solution for a country where Trump got 46% of the vote in 2016.

You propose a dictatorship of the left.

I'm guessing that will not end well for those who are seeking long-term transformational societal change.

I think if you can invest some repubs you get a better chance of success.

But I could be dead wrong.

2 points. First, by all means hear from everyone. Start a full bore truth & reconciliation process on a formal federal scale.

Second, the republican party is far more criminal than ideological at this point in its evolution. It remains tied to the right mainly by right wing support for all kinds of criminality from its leaders and heroes. As a right wing, post-racists libertarians and conservatives can step into the huge smoking crater that needs to be where the republicans are standing and have built their abominations if the United States is to survive.

The cowardice of (most) of the Republican party and its lack of decency to stand up to the indecency, racsim and insanity of Trump  seems to be a death wish.

I understand traditional Repub conservatism, let capitalism run,  low taxes. low regs, self-regulate, strong defense, otherwise little gov't, no entitlements for the poor/needy and nice lawns. It all worked for them. But since the Great Depression they usually fuck-up and Dems have to fix shit. But they keep on breaking shit every time they get into power, because most of them suck at government. You'd think at some point they'd learn and let the Dems govern and let them concentrate on making some dough and two-putting. So maybe this recent episode of total repudiation of responsible governing is a cry for help to make sure no one in their right mind would vote for them. Tee off time is calling and governing is hard work.