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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

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A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

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A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

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More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

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A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

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More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

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DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

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Huge disruption to the day.

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Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[LarryBnDC]

My focus is on the word "most".  And it's a simple question. And one I assume easily answerable. So slap away.

Put it this way.

Over the years I’ve served in journalism, politics and government.
The through line of these experiences are several law enforcement agencies in various jurisdictions.

The thin blue line is real. Cop culture is like gang culture. You’re in the family, you’re golden. Cross the family and you’re on an island.

[Yankguy1]

Fair enough.  I'll put it this way.  Over the years I have been friends and family with many police officers.  They run the political spectrum and I occasionally have had issues with the way they think.  Not one of them, though, would put up with criminal behavior and abuses of violent, out- of -control police officers and not a one would hesitate to stop such behavior thin blue line or not.

And it remains a simple question for Josh.  How does he know that most would behave in the manner he described?

[LarryBnDC]

Fair enough.  I'll put it this way.  Over the years I have been friends and family with many police officers.  They run the political spectrum and I occasionally have had issues with the way they think.  Not one of them, though, would put up with criminal behavior and abuses of violent, out- of -control police officers and not a one would hesitate to stop such behavior thin blue line or not.

And it remains a simple question for Josh.  How does he know that most would behave in the manner he described?

Ok.


I have many friends and family LEOs from cops in the bag, cops with tins, my wife is a former ADA in Brooklyn, our kids godmother is an AUSA in Eastern District.
I grew up next to the first black detective on the Suffolk County Police department and I was a contract videographer with NYPD in the mid 80s.

Two of my best friends were known as Crockett and Tubbs because they were Suffolk PD working the Hamptons. Flashy cars and clothes and all.

One of them, first name Keith, retired with full benefits and settlement at age 32 because he was arrested and whipped within an inch of his life by cops who didn’t know he was undercover.

His back was injured because they pulled him through the window of the 911 before the beat him silly.

When a cop speaks up his/her career is over.

See the biggest problem with the murder of Mr. Floyd is the fact three other officers made no attempt to stop it and in fact assisted.

Tough guys who want to help people become firemen. Tough guys who want to boss people around become police.

That’s not fair to the good cops and it’s not universally true.

But it’s true enough to sting.

“You know the score, pal. You're not cop, you're little people!” — Harry Bryan (M. Emmet Walsh) Blade Runner

[LarryBnDC]

https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/new-york-city/will-nypd-officers-involved-aggressive-arrest-be-penalized.html

[josh]

Most police do not report the abuses of their fellow officers or interrupt them when they are doing something questionable.

How do you know this?

By the lack of reports of abuses and by watching videos in which a police officer is doing something objectionable and the others around them are not recorded as either speaking up or requesting assistance from higher up.

Police disciplinary records are public record in a dozen states. There is limited accessibility in 15 more. In 23 states, they are totally obscured from the public.

But we have case after case in which there has been broad corruption in a department, with no complaints filed or actions taken. In some cases, like Baltimore's, where there has been widespread corruption, the disciplinary actions and related information was secret, until the courts demanded the information.

In Massachusetts, the records are also secret, but with exceptions. So, we can't see disciplinary action, but we can often see complaints against an officer and internal affairs investigations. It is the lack of the latter in the face of the former that can be especially damning.

Up until 2015, Missouri had a similar standard to Maryland's, but a court ruling determined that an individual officer has no privacy interest in misconduct committed while they were working, so suddenly a ton of information became available.

Minnesota holds all such information to be public, which is why we so swiftly learned of the prior issues that ex-officer Chauvin had and the failure of him to be held accountable for it.

We also see it in various scenarios in which one person will direct the others to turn off their bodycams and the others in the crew will do so, without question. Nor do they turn them back on during the moments of questionable (or criminal) wrongdoing.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/business/moderna-vaccine-stock-sales-invs/index.html

Gee, it looks like I'm not the only one suspicious of Moderna's and its executives' timing on the stocks.

[josh]

An agitated Trump encourages governors to use aggressive tactics on protesters

"You have to dominate or you'll look like a bunch of jerks, you have to arrest and try people," the President told the governors in a call from the basement White House Situation Room, according to an audio recording of the call obtained by CNN.

"It's a movement, if you don't put it down it will get worse and worse," Trump said. "The only time its successful is when you're weak and most of you are weak."

The end of the audio notes that the governor of Maine told the president that security concerns suggested that he should not go there for his scheduled visit. Trump responded that since the governor was trying to convince him not to go, that therefore he absolutely would be going.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/donald-trump-race-police/index.html - This has the audio, as well as the quotes.

[oilcan]

Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, said the sample size in Moderna's release -- eight -- is far too small to draw any meaningful conclusions.
"You are about to give a vaccine to tens of millions of people," he said. "I really wouldn't issue a press release about a number of people who you could invite to a small outdoor barbecue."   

Here we go again.  Post-truth era.   

[josh]

# attacks on reporters

- Reporters attacked by cops: https://twitter.com/ryanraiche/status/1266919035033264130
- Minneapolis police attack journalist despite identification: https://twitter.com/SimonMoyaSmi…/status/1267054164774916096
- MSNBC journalist shot at: https://twitter.com/AliVelshi/status/1266911534963478532
- Denver police throw a journalist into a fire: https://twitter.com/tessrmalle/status/1266945413258653696
- MSNBC reporters attacked with explosive device in Minneapolis: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1266910910137995264)
- Journalist arrested in Minneapolis: https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1266925851200929797
- MSNBC reporter says 100% peaceful protest was fired upon: https://mobile.twitter.com/mattg…/status/1266913484408832001
- LA Times reporter says she was shot at: https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1266968994365321216
- police arresting a CNN reporter, before they arrested the murdered: https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151
- Police pepper spraying a photographer for no reason: https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg
- reporter blinded by rubber bullets: https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMar…/…/1266618525600399361…
- Cops tear gassed a reporter: https://mobile.twitter.com/molly…/status/1266911382613692422
- reporter sheltering in gas station is pepper sprayed: https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317
- reporter trying to get home gets window shot out: https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778
- cops arrest photographer: https://youtu.be/9wgkGLmphLE)
- Reuters reporters detail being shot at with rubber bullets: https://www.reuters.com/…/reuters-cameraman-hit-by-rubber-b…
- Louisville police shoot reporter during protest on live TV: https://www.cbsnews.com/…/louisville-police-shoot-reporter…/
- This is the moment Minneapolis Police fired on our CBS News crew with rubber bullets. As you can see, no protesters anywhere near us- we all were wearing credentials and had cameras out: https://twitter.com/MikeGeorgeCBS/status/1266919447970942986
- MSNBC journalist attached in Minneapolis: https://twitter.com/TheQueenLour…/status/1266910999698948097

## Attacks on people

### With location info

- NYPD forcing protesters into the psych ward: https://twitter.com/breezymusicn…/status/1266293035752542215
- Police attack and kick 15-year girl peacefully protesting in Erie: https://twitter.com/the7goonies/status/1266989439160590336

- Woman walking home with groceries shot in face: https://twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339675137
- Atlanta cops attack people in their cars driving home, slash their tires: https://twitter.com/imactuallyni…/status/1266909394677239809
- NYPD police brutalize woman: https://twitter.com/JasonLemon/status/1266529475757510656
- [Columbus police attack peaceful protesters for no reason: https://twitter.com/rottenstrwbry/status/1266805467990446081
- MN police shooting people in the face: https://twitter.com/HabibaChoudhu/status/1267026134245486592
- Minneapolis police slash tires of cars: https://twitter.com/andrewkimmel/status/1266987126467461120
- Detroit police murder a protester: https://www.cnn.com/…/…/detroit-man-shot-protests/index.html

- cops pepper spraying a group of protestors without provocation in Seattle: https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251
- Seattle police brutalizing protester: https://twitter.com/daeshikjr/status/1266639620940296192…
- Coupled in Atlanta attacked in car: https://twitter.com/kammiemusic/status/1266912528900251649…
- NYPD pulls down mask of man with hands up and attack him: https://twitter.com/Sifill_LDF/status/1266928343141752833…
- Woman was just shot in the face by police in La Mesa, California: https://twitter.com/etpartipreds…/status/1266935860865298432
- A pig named Jared Campbell in Seattle covered his badge with tape and maced a 7-year old girl: https://np.reddit.com/…/his_name_is_jared_campbell_he_mace…/ [mirror](https://i.redd.it/7xygs6p8d0251.jpg)
- Seattle PD brutalizing a protestor: https://twitter.com/daeshikjr/status/1266639620940296192
- Columbus cops assault and pepper spray a member of congress: https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610 [mirror](https://www.cnn.com/…/joyce-beatty-ohio-pepper-s…/index.html)
- NYPD randomly assaulting a guy: https://twitter.com/crankberries/status/1266584559245803522
- NYPD does a ISIS-style car attack: https://mobile.twitter.com/chieffymac…/…/1266884475268616197 [mirror](https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod)
- NYPD hitting a person with a car door while driving past: https://twitter.com/ZeeshanAleem/status/1266562022398926848
- Salt Lake City riot police shove an old man with a cane and he falls over: https://gfycat.com/evilboldfulmar) [mirror](https://twitter.com/MacWBishop/status/1266891102629572608) [mirror2](https://gfycat.com/evilboldfulmar)
- Unprovoked attach by Detroit police: https://twitter.com/arlenparsa/status/1266820422856826880
- Pittsburg police shot someone's eye out: https://twitter.com/covingtonpa…/status/1266936432326840321…
- Minneapolis police threaten and attack a news crew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN8ISwuiX68&feature=youtu.be
- State senator attacked in the Bronx: http://bronx.news12.com/…/state-senator-says-he-was-pepper-…
- cops stealing and destroying water for peaceful protestors in Louisville: https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151
- NYPD arrested ANOTHER black journalist: https://mobile.twitter.com/keithboykin/…/1266933018570219520

### Without location info

- Cops attack man walking next to them: https://twitter.com/mooncult/status/1266839189154226176
- Cops attach John Cusack: https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266938983575101441
- Thugs ready to for a riot: https://twitter.com/7interlude/status/1266598835213799424
- Police trample guy with a horse: https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1266565461937917953
- Drive by pepper spraying: https://twitter.com/stribrooks/status/1266186985041022976… [mirror](https://mobile.twitter.com/Jorda…/status/1266193926316228609)
- Compilation showing cops making unprovoked assaults: https://np.reddit.com/…/police_actively_seeking_out_fights…/
- Cops in riot gear walking and humbles down an empty street with shooting people in their houses: https://np.reddit.com/…/please_make_this_go_viral_i_am_beg…/ [mirror](https://streamable.com/u2jzoo)
- Cops shoot random passerby coming home wit groceries in the face: https://mobile.twitter.com/kevinrkrau…/…/1266898396339675137
- Cops in riot gear itching to brutalize someone: https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151
- cop shooting something at guy for saying "fuck you”: https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151
- cops shoving an old dude to the ground: https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151
- Columbus cops trying to do an ISIS-style attach: https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251
- Cops shooting at people just sitting inside their own apartment: https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Moj…/…/1266633046591078400…
- police shooting the press with rubber bullets: https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151
- guy with hands in the air gets his mask ripped off and pepper sprayed: https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251
- lady who was coming home with groceries who got a rubber bullet to the head: https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg [mirror](https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrau…/…/1266898396339675137)
- couple getting yanked out of their car and tased: https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowe…/…/1266919104574865410…
- young woman gets assaulted by officer: https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney_hu/…/1266540710188195843…
- cops assault for filming a police car burning: https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229
- Columbus police assaulting protestors: https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610
- Cops shoot protesters with rubber bullets: https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151
- Cops pepper spray young child: https://www.fox10phoenix.com/…/video-shows-milk-poured-over…
- Cops use horse to trample young woman: https://www.click2houston.com/…/watch-video-captures-momen…/
- cop assaults protestor with his bike: https://twitter.com/ava/status/1266797973834395648?s=20
- Compilation video from Gravel Institute: https://twitter.com/GravelInstit…/status/1266929927116468225

[Yankguy1]

Most police do not report the abuses of their fellow officers or interrupt them when they are doing something questionable.

How do you know this?

By the lack of reports of abuses and by watching videos in which a police officer is doing something objectionable and the others around them are not recorded as either speaking up or requesting assistance from higher up.

Police disciplinary records are public record in a dozen states. There is limited accessibility in 15 more. In 23 states, they are totally obscured from the public.

But we have case after case in which there has been broad corruption in a department, with no complaints filed or actions taken. In some cases, like Baltimore's, where there has been widespread corruption, the disciplinary actions and related information was secret, until the courts demanded the information.

In Massachusetts, the records are also secret, but with exceptions. So, we can't see disciplinary action, but we can often see complaints against an officer and internal affairs investigations. It is the lack of the latter in the face of the former that can be especially damning.

Up until 2015, Missouri had a similar standard to Maryland's, but a court ruling determined that an individual officer has no privacy interest in misconduct committed while they were working, so suddenly a ton of information became available.

Minnesota holds all such information to be public, which is why we so swiftly learned of the prior issues that ex-officer Chauvin had and the failure of him to be held accountable for it.

We also see it in various scenarios in which one person will direct the others to turn off their bodycams and the others in the crew will do so, without question. Nor do they turn them back on during the moments of questionable (or criminal) wrongdoing.

All of this still doesn't get you to "most" engaging in that behavior.

[oilcan]

Yank knows decent cops.   Impossible to boil these matters down to percentages.   So it's better to constructively target codes of silence, rather than put people in stereotypical slots.   Which makes top-down policy changes in PDs essential. 

Though policy would not have saved Floyd.  Chauvin was in violation of his department's rules for handling suspects.   Which means culture change,  psych screens,  etc.   Expect delays.   Those fixes might be cheaper than building a new police station every time something like last week happens.   

[Yankguy1]

Yank knows decent cops.   Impossible to boil these matters down to percentages.   So it's better to constructively target codes of silence, rather than put people in stereotypical slots.   Which makes top-down policy changes in PDs essential. 

Though policy would not have saved Floyd.  Chauvin was in violation of his department's rules for handling suspects.   Which means culture change,  psych screens,  etc.   Expect delays.   Those fixes might be cheaper than building a new police station every time something like last week happens.

I've got no problem with any of that.

[FlyingVProd]

The protesters are coming to Anaheim today, they are going to be at La Palma Park at 5 pm, City Hall at 6 pm, and Harbor and Lincoln and 7 pm.

I do not agree with having the protests at night, especially after what has happened in Los Angeles, and in other areas.

Also, after what has happened in other areas, I think that their protests should be post-poned.

Meanwhile, if they insist on having their protests, we can call in experts from our theme parks who do crowd control to help to control the crowds. People who do crowd control at concerts, and at our theme parks have experience when dealing with large crowds. We need to set up barriers, and we need to control the crowds.

The protesters must not be allowed to burn and loot in Anaheim.

Salute,

Tony V.

[LarryBnDC]

Yank knows decent cops.   Impossible to boil these matters down to percentages.   So it's better to constructively target codes of silence, rather than put people in stereotypical slots.   Which makes top-down policy changes in PDs essential. 

Though policy would not have saved Floyd.  Chauvin was in violation of his department's rules for handling suspects.   Which means culture change,  psych screens,  etc.   Expect delays.   Those fixes might be cheaper than building a new police station every time something like last week happens.

I've got no problem with any of that.

I know great cops, I know scumbags.

The problem is the vast amount of indifference in the middle and the ridiculous levels unions go to protect terrible police.

[kiidcarter8]

Can Terrance Floyd get through to AntiFa?

Will we see less looting today?  More peace?

Stirring vigil in Minneapolis. 

Chants of Lock Up All Four and One Down Three to Go may go unheeded - but hopefully not all the words will.