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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[bankshot1]

Iran is the threat to stabilization in the region, and in Central Asia. Wake the fuck up.

Your post is Orwellian.
The US attacked and waged war on Afghanistan and Iraq, the neighbors on either side of Iran.  Destroying their gov'ts, killing and displacing large chunks of their population, unleashing sectarian violence, while unable to secure any kind of stable gov't in the war's aftermath.  Indeed fighting and insurgency have been their post-war fates for the past decade and a half.  Yet you claim it's Iran that is the threat to regional stabilization.  Unbelievable.

You think Israel is destabilizing?  You're lost on this issue, child.

Totally fucking lost.

Sorry but under the banks.rule if you criticize one side you must.also criticize the other or you are an anti-Palestinian bigot.

poor boz employs a little hyperbole when his hypocrisy was exposed.

Goodnight Adolph

heh

[josh]

Iran is the threat to stabilization in the region, and in Central Asia. Wake the fuck up.

Your post is Orwellian.
The US attacked and waged war on Afghanistan and Iraq, the neighbors on either side of Iran.  Destroying their gov'ts, killing and displacing large chunks of their population, unleashing sectarian violence, while unable to secure any kind of stable gov't in the war's aftermath.  Indeed fighting and insurgency have been their post-war fates for the past decade and a half.  Yet you claim it's Iran that is the threat to regional stabilization.  Unbelievable.

You think Israel is destabilizing?  You're lost on this issue, child.

Totally fucking lost.

Sorry but under the banks.rule if you criticize one side you must.also criticize the other or you are an anti-Palestinian bigot.

My rule, at least as much as his.

And the rule if you are going to make it into one, is that you have to attack folks who are sinning more some of the time - and not all at the same moment.

Object to Israel's confiscation of land? Then the folks who have taken the equivalent of Israel more recently should be on your radar and the folks who ate Tibet even more so. And don't forget to look in the mirror. ("What have "we" done?" asks Mr. Innocent Ward.)

Why is that so hard to grasp?

Disagree with me or don't. But at least disagree with me for something I said.

[josh]

[facilitatorn]

Crony socialism, lipstick on Deficit Don’s pig of a trade war.

http://www.theweek.com/articles/859422/trumps-trade-war-socialism

[bodiddley]

Iran is the threat to stabilization in the region, and in Central Asia. Wake the fuck up.

Your post is Orwellian.
The US attacked and waged war on Afghanistan and Iraq, the neighbors on either side of Iran.  Destroying their gov'ts, killing and displacing large chunks of their population, unleashing sectarian violence, while unable to secure any kind of stable gov't in the war's aftermath.  Indeed fighting and insurgency have been their post-war fates for the past decade and a half.  Yet you claim it's Iran that is the threat to regional stabilization.  Unbelievable.

You think Israel is destabilizing?  You're lost on this issue, child.
Totally fucking lost.

Is there one mention of, or reference to, Israel in my post above that you quoted?  I suppose you could find the letters that make up the country's name and construct the word Israel a la ransom-notes.

poor boz employs a little hyperbole when his hypocrisy was exposed.
Goodnight Adolph

Zero hyperbole from me.  The US destabilized the ME by invading Iraq, and overthrowing the Saddam/Baathist regime.  The war and aftermath/mess in Afghanistan similarly destabilized Central Asia.

Zero hypocrisy.  No idea even what you might be referring to.  Make arguments not assertions.

Adolph?
Jeez, you're an internet blowhard and representative of why I usually don't discuss politics here or on the internet in general.

Also, all the insults and harshness here is pretty unappealing.
This is an unusual forum.

Further, I read everything the same way NeedsA did, which seemed really the only way to interpret the insinuations and such, especially given their context.  Most of his posts the last few days I could have written myself.

Lastly, I'd encourage folks to go to Israel and to visit the West Bank.  See the land at issue, meet the people involved, get a deeper understanding of what is going on and where things stand.

[NeedsAdjustments]

Object to Israel's confiscation of land? Then the folks who have taken the equivalent of Israel more recently should be on your radar and the folks who ate Tibet even more so.

Right. Because clearly the issue with Israel’s occupation can be quantified by hectares!

Why is that so hard to grasp?

Well for a start I’m pretty bad at geography. It would help enormously if you could rank global conflict by acreage so that I know which most deserve my attention in your eyes.  And then are we only putting illegal occupation on that list of offending territory or more general human rights violations?

Then I think time should be a factor. Something that happened 100 years ago, can not be changed and only viewed in a Museum should be ranked lower than a current conflict that can be read about in today’s news.

Some other questions:

Should we all submit resume/biographies that break down our family, professional or political connections so that you can judge if there is any personal experience that makes our interest in Israel and the surrounding territory pure?

Also shouldn’t there be a points or credits system?  If we don’t need to demonstrate our great concern over your ranked situations contemporaneously with current events then I think we need a way to bank our outrage.

That way posters here other than yourself and bankshot1 can comment next time the Prime Minister of Israel bans a US Congressperson at the behest of the US President in a political ploy to influence the US elections and is covered heavily in news in the US, without, you know, seeming to have an unspoken agenda.

[HamiltonIII]

Iran is the threat to stabilization in the region, and in Central Asia. Wake the fuck up.

Your post is Orwellian.
The US attacked and waged war on Afghanistan and Iraq, the neighbors on either side of Iran.  Destroying their gov'ts, killing and displacing large chunks of their population, unleashing sectarian violence, while unable to secure any kind of stable gov't in the war's aftermath.  Indeed fighting and insurgency have been their post-war fates for the past decade and a half.  Yet you claim it's Iran that is the threat to regional stabilization.  Unbelievable.

You think Israel is destabilizing?  You're lost on this issue, child.

Totally fucking lost.

Sorry but under the banks.rule if you criticize one side you must.also criticize the other or you are an anti-Palestinian bigot.

Yes, because as everyone knows, I'm under banks evil spell.

STFU.

[HamiltonIII]

Iran is the threat to stabilization in the region, and in Central Asia. Wake the fuck up.

Your post is Orwellian.
The US attacked and waged war on Afghanistan and Iraq, the neighbors on either side of Iran.  Destroying their gov'ts, killing and displacing large chunks of their population, unleashing sectarian violence, while unable to secure any kind of stable gov't in the war's aftermath.  Indeed fighting and insurgency have been their post-war fates for the past decade and a half.  Yet you claim it's Iran that is the threat to regional stabilization.  Unbelievable.

You think Israel is destabilizing?  You're lost on this issue, child.
Totally fucking lost.

Is there one mention of, or reference to, Israel in my post above that you quoted?  I suppose you could find the letters that make up the country's name and construct the word Israel a la ransom-notes.

poor boz employs a little hyperbole when his hypocrisy was exposed.
Goodnight Adolph

Zero hyperbole from me.  The US destabilized the ME by invading Iraq, and overthrowing the Saddam/Baathist regime.  The war and aftermath/mess in Afghanistan similarly destabilized Central Asia.

Zero hypocrisy.  No idea even what you might be referring to.  Make arguments not assertions.

Adolph?
Jeez, you're an internet blowhard and representative of why I usually don't discuss politics here or on the internet in general.

Also, all the insults and harshness here is pretty unappealing.
This is an unusual forum.

Further, I read everything the same way NeedsA did, which seemed really the only way to interpret the insinuations and such, especially given their context.  Most of his posts the last few days I could have written myself.

Lastly, I'd encourage folks to go to Israel and to visit the West Bank.  See the land at issue, meet the people involved, get a deeper understanding of what is going on and where things stand.

Taken in context, my criticism is valid. But nice try at deflection, again. Iran is the enemy. Israel the Ally to the USA. As an American, it should be your priority. Being pragmatic, the USA, Russia, and China will need to work together to quell what's been coming out of central Asia in terms of radical Islam. It would serve each of those countries' interests to have a strong Ally in Israel, and to be United against Iran.

That's why we are developing relationships with some pretty creepy dudes running all those "Stans".
It's necessary. There's no Lone Ranger in this world, Tonto.

[HamiltonIII]

Object to Israel's confiscation of land? Then the folks who have taken the equivalent of Israel more recently should be on your radar and the folks who ate Tibet even more so.

Right. Because clearly the issue with Israel’s occupation can be quantified by hectares!

Why is that so hard to grasp?

Well for a start I’m pretty bad at geography. It would help enormously if you could rank global conflict by acreage so that I know which most deserve my attention in your eyes.  And then are we only putting illegal occupation on that list of offending territory or more general human rights violations?

Then I think time should be a factor. Something that happened 100 years ago, can not be changed and only viewed in a Museum should be ranked lower than a current conflict that can be read about in today’s news.

Some other questions:

Should we all submit resume/biographies that break down our family, professional or political connections so that you can judge if there is any personal experience that makes our interest in Israel and the surrounding territory pure?

Also shouldn’t there be a points or credits system?  If we don’t need to demonstrate our great concern over your ranked situations contemporaneously with current events then I think we need a way to bank our outrage.

That way posters here other than yourself and bankshot1 can comment next time the Prime Minister of Israel bans a US Congressperson at the behest of the US President in a political ploy to influence the US elections and is covered heavily in news in the US, without, you know, seeming to have an unspoken agenda.

Some people are just ignorant. Others are stupid.
But you have a fine command of the language, and yet demonstrate ignorance and stupidity in compound ways.

It's rather an art form you've shown on this topic. Be smart enough to know what you don't know, and wise enough not to repeatedly demonstrate your foolishness with such blatant disregard for reality.

[HamiltonIII]

BTW, Josh. What a dumbass poll that is at the top!

If that's your template, why not ask:
"How often do you beat your wife?
A) Once a week
B) At least twice a week
C) When she needs it
D) She left, but when I catch her, I'll make OJ look like Mother Teresa
E) This one of the last one?

[NeedsAdjustments]

BTW, Josh. What a dumbass poll that is at the top!

If that's your template, why not ask:
"How often do you beat your wife?
A) Once a week
B) At least twice a week
C) When she needs it
D) She left, but when I catch her, I'll make OJ look like Mother Teresa
E) This one of the last one?

It must be said HamiltonIII, in reading your posts here I haven't thought particularly highly of your intelligence level, but if you truly don't understand the connection of the poll at the top of this page to current politics and certain current political leaders then you are a dumbass!  (how is that for command of the language!)

[barton]

http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/how-trump-reshaping-american-opinion/596335/

Somewhat encouraging.  I hope others here took time to read this.   And hope that all these Americans rejecting Trump's views show up at the polls.   

[barton]

Those would be the Palestinians Iran supplies with weapons and other means of support. Shut the fuck up.

Glad to see you supporting free speech.

[barton]

LIAR!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/19/politics/trump-google-manipulated-votes-claim/index.html

Go, CNN, go!

Sarcasm, but no real argument.   

If you're trying to advance the case that the press should not check on the claims of politicians, good luck.   Enjoy your retirement cottage in North Korea!

[NeedsAdjustments]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/19/lobbying-group-powerful-ceos-is-rethinking-how-it-defines-corporations-purpose/

(opening paragraphs excerpted for those with paywall issues)

The organization representing the nation’s most powerful chief executives is rewriting how it views the purpose of a corporation, updating its decades-old endorsement of the theory that shareholders’ interests should come above all else.

The new statement, released Monday by the Business Roundtable, suggests balancing the needs of a company’s various constituencies and comes at a time of widening income inequality, rising expectations from the public for corporate behavior and proposals from Democratic lawmakers that aim to revamp or even restructure American capitalism.

“Americans deserve an economy that allows each person to succeed through hard work and creativity and to lead a life of meaning and dignity,” reads the statement from the organization, which is chaired by JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon.

The group says its members “share a fundamental commitment to all of our stakeholders,” and commit to doing well by their customers, employees, suppliers and local communities. “Each of our stakeholders is essential,” the group adds. “We commit to deliver value to all of them, for the future success of our companies, our communities and our country.”

The new statement includes 181 signatures of the 192 current members of the Business Roundtable, which represents many of the biggest companies in the United States. While the statement represents at the very least a symbolic change in the group’s thinking, it was not clear how companies would change their practices in light of the new commitments, nor how any changes in behavior would be assessed or monitored.

Covered here to bypass the paywall:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/business/business-roundtable-ceos-corporations.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Whatever the specifics that are eventually attached to this statement (if that ever happens) it is at least an acknowledgment that the shareholder/short-term focus of corporate governance contributes to income inequality and hurts our ability to respond to environmental and climate challenges. 

Its the kind of thing that if it came from Warren (and it has) it would be called socialist regulation of capitalism by the GOP (and it has) but will be either ignored or met with some head nodding when it comes from actual CEOs.

Anyway, whoever it comes from its Sanity...prevailing.

Good piece making the connection to Warren, which Warren tweeted out, a day after I called out that Warren is saying the same thing:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/19/investing/business-roundtable-corporate-responsibility/index.html

I will put down $100 that says that despite now a significant number of prominent US CEOs signing on to these principles, the media (not even talking about her opponents!) will point to it as "socialism" and ask "is she too far left for America?" when she brings this up on the campaign trail.

And Trump will continue to tweet out support for White Nationalists while zero, zero people, will ask if he is too far right.