Escape from Elba
Sports => Football => Topic started by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:23:48 AM
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What moves will the Jets make this offseason?
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Which draft pick will make the biggest impact in the NFL?
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Seriously?
Has to be Barkley
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One of the excerpts released detailed how Brady was upset with Robert Kraft when Kraft announced the Patriots wouldn’t pursue legal action against the NFL for its handling of Deflategate. Brady didn't know Kraft would be making that announcement at the owners meetings and found out watching on TV.
“What the [expletive]?” Brady said over the phone to NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith. “Why am I not getting the support I deserve on this thing?”
Brady was very upset with Kraft and Sherman explained how Kraft has needed to rebuild his relationship with the quarterback in recent years, which he connected to the trade of Jimmy Garoppolo.
It was reported Kraft made it clear Brady could not be traded and therefore Garoppolo needed to get dealt as he wasn't going to be on the roster after the 2017 season.
“He was pissed off, obviously," Sherman said of Brady when hearing Kraft would be giving up the fight. "Kraft has supported him. He couldn’t support him there, but the Kraft family has gone above and beyond over the past couple of years to rebuild that relationship. I think that was part of the reason why Jimmy Garoppolo was jettisoned last year. That was something Kraft felt like he had to do to continue to build that relationship with Brady."
And that's why a) Brady's a prima dona; b)Kraft is an idiot; c) BB has to deal with these two lovers and their Machavellian horsecrap while he tries to run a football team.
SAD.
https://weei.radio.com/blogs/weei/new-tom-brady-book-co-author-not-sunday-podcast-deflategate-played-role-jimmy-garoppolo (https://weei.radio.com/blogs/weei/new-tom-brady-book-co-author-not-sunday-podcast-deflategate-played-role-jimmy-garoppolo)
The movie should be quite entertaining.
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Mr. Utley's barb is lacking its usual poison. I guess everybody needs training camp.
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and he'll still be an obssessed clueless troll.
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Mr. Utley's barb is lacking its usual poison. I guess everybody needs training camp.
and he'll still be an obssessed clueless troll.
Amazing how linking to published stories about in house squabbles on the Pats, from a New England media outlet is considered "trolling", until you consider who is lodging the complaint.
Deny, deny, deny.
Sad.
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I can't remember the last time I searched a Philly radio station website.
On second thought, I've never searched a Philly radio station website, as I can't think of a reason why i would give enough of a shit to do so.
I guess the troll's got nothing better to do.
sad. boring troll.
SSDD
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I can't remember the last time I searched a Philly radio station website.
On second thought, I've never searched a Philly radio station website, as I can't think of a reason why i would give enough of a shit to do so.
I guess the troll's got nothing better to do.
sad. boring troll.
SSDD
Merely because you live in a narrow world of limited perspective, it dies not follow that others do.
FTR, I was linked to it thru Yahoo.
Do there you go, paranoid one.
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I can't remember the last time I searched a Philly radio station website.
On second thought, I've never searched a Philly radio station website, as I can't think of a reason why i would give enough of a shit to do so.
I guess the troll's got nothing better to do.
sad. boring troll.
SSDD
Merely because you live in a narrow world of limited perspective, it dies not follow that others do.
FTR, I was linked to it thru Yahoo.
Do there you go, paranoid one.
Troll Feel free to search wherever on the web your troll heart desires, and post whatever you like, no matter how well the issue has already been covered and discussed previously.
You bring nothing new.
And you still remain a boring and stupid troll.
although I look forward to your book report on Brady.
You gonna make a nice cover with construction paper and your big box of crayons?
SSDD
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Though the slate was wiped clean here, you still see fit to soil it with your inane commentary.
Bye, loser.
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Though the slate was wiped clean here, you still see fit to soil it with your inane commentary.
Bye, loser.
Wiped clean?
Why?
You've a long-standing history of being an indecent stalker asshole.
I didn't pardon you for your past crimes.
Go fuck yourself troll
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You're signed!
https://twitter.com/madisongesiotto/status/1024820062811824129 (https://twitter.com/madisongesiotto/status/1024820062811824129)
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G-Men and OBJ, the new face of the NYFG, talking turkey.
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speaking of NY WRs
Pats sign ex-Jet Eric Decker to 1 yr deal.
eh
TB12 needs someone to throw to.
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There was a guy who looked a lot like RG3 playing in an NFL preseason game for the Ravens, and he scored a touchdown.
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Led a touchdown scoring drive to be accurate.
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tough night for Johnny Football up in Canada.
in other news happy 41st TB12.
According to a new book, Tom Brady refused to falsely blame equipment staffers in the Deflategate scandal.
AUGUST 3, 2018
"Tom Brady turned down a $1 million fine instead of a four-game suspension if he publicly implicated former Patriots equipment staffers John Jastremski and Jim McNally in the Deflategate scandal, according to a new book called “12: The Inside Story of Tom Brady’s Fight For Redemption’’ by Casey Sherman and Dave Wedge.
The book states NFL commissioner Roger Goodell “demanded that Brady state publicly that former Patriots equipment guys [John] Jastremski and [Jim] McNally had purposely tampered with footballs, even without his knowledge. Tom said no."
“There’s no way I’m gonna ruin these guys for something I believe they didn’t do,” Brady told NFL Players Association head DeMaurice Smith, according to the book.
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times flies
NFL pre-season starts tonight
few games of semi-interest to the Elbanese
DC United @ Pats (-3)
Browns v Giants (+1)
Steelers @ WC Eagles (-3)
have no idea who/why would bet these games
Butler not expected to play for Pats
Quote from: bankshot1 on Today at 07:05:19 PM
You recently compared an airborn virus , an act of nature to a 15 year demonic plan to exterminate European Jews (and other undesriables).
And this is where you leave the land of facts, Banks.
It was not the airborne virus and "act of nature" that was the comparison, no matter how frequently you insist that it was.
It was the intentional withholding of aid by the federal government after Jared realized that it was predominantly hitting blue states and especially Blacks that was compared to Hitler's efforts, while acknowledging that it was not the same.
And you are unlikely to admit that, either, because you don't back down very well.
But that was what happened in multiple views, even if you don't see it.
Rebuttal
The Final Solution was man-made
the virus was not
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times flies
NFL pre-season starts tonight
few games of semi-interest to the Elbanese
DC United @ Pats (-3)
Browns v Giants (+1)
Steelers @ WC Eagles (-3)
have no idea who/why would bet these games
Butler not expected to play for Pats
Betting on NFL preseason is not a.sign of a serious problem. It is a.sign of MANY serious problems.
Our dope smokin' heat packin' unlicensed drivin' credit card stealin' drug test failin' startin' in place of Nosh Gordon wide receiver has make the trip to NYC for the game. Those who do not learn from history are.doomed to go 0 - 16. But Hue is going to have a "strong conversation" with him, so all is well.
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boz
have you seen HBO Hard Knocks-'18 Browns edition? I haven't seen it yet, but I heard there are some eye-openers about Hue's coaching style.
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I don't have HBO.
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not a big Game of Throne's fan?
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not a big Game of Throne's fan?
Never seen an episode, even when getting the occasional free weekend, though its cultural ubiquity means I know a fair amount about it. Tried to bring it up in a conversation triggered by Sean Bean not dying in The Martian and all I could come up with was "Crown of Thorns".
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I think I have figured out why the Browns did not cut Calloway.
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I don't have HBO.
Yes. Some people have a life that extends beyond what's on TV.
Foreign concept for idiot bankshit.
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heh
some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows
some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.
go figure.
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heh
some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows
some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.
go figure.
And you do both.
Peddy.
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heh
some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows
some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.
go figure.
And you do both.
Peddy.
troll-it took you 9 hours to come up with that?
You fucking cretin stalker.
I asked you to go figure and you can't even add 1 + 1
now go fuck yourself you indecent piece of shit
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Didn't see the game but Sam Darnold, seemed to have made a positive impression in his Jersey debut.
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heh
some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows
some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.
go figure.
And you do both.
Peddy.
troll-it took you 9 hours to come up with that?
You fucking cretin stalker.
I asked you to go figure and you can't even add 1 + 1
now go fuck yourself you indecent piece of shit
I could see bankshit doing this:https://www.yahoo.com/news/facebook-fight-between-keyboard-gangsters-ends-shooting-113941003.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/facebook-fight-between-keyboard-gangsters-ends-shooting-113941003.html)
Get help for that anger you're displacing here. Just because you're depressed and angry about your failed personal life, it doesn't mean you gave to be the dickhead that you show yourself to be here each day.
Sad, little man.
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troll you spend far too much time obsessing about me.
now go fuck yourself.
The sub-topic is over for everybody, not just for Banks.
Banks can't acknowledge that the deaths of blue state citizens, of democratic party voters, of POC, was intentional on the part of the Trump administration. He keeps insisting it was "only" incompetence.
So, he cannot see the parallel.
Our repeating to him that the intentionality of those deaths creates a parallel is not going to get anywhere.
So, let us just accept that his sensitivity on this issue precludes dialog, drop it, and move on.
All of us.
Biden's $1.9T budget goes smart as expected
-get America healthy-control beat covid
-covid relief for individuals and municipalities
-re-prime and jump start the economy
in a 50-50 senate he has to avoid the obvious traps of going to big too far left
it may be hard to argue for fiscal restraint by repubs as Americans and the economy are sick, but they may find their old-timey fiscal conservatism just to be assholes
Goodnight Josh thank you for keeping us safe from something.
LMAO
Cancel culture comes to Elba, courtesy of the extreme leftists in the Democratic party, of course. In other words, don't buck the narrative, banks.
I think Josh wanted to play the role of 800 lb gorilla but nobody noticed.
So he stomped his feet and pounded his chest and tried to mark his territory, but instead he pissed on his leg.
After I rebutted his territorial droppings he deleted the rebuttal.
LMAO
That was bullshit and pure cancel culture
So I mocked Josh and his silly monkey business.
Going big
Green New Deal
Medicare for at least All who want it
National policing standards
Financial transparency
Statehood for DC & Puerto Rico
Forgiveness of student debt
Decriminalization of cannabis
Strict gun control
ERA
Wealth & Inheritance & Financial transaction tax
Fully fund IRS & EPA & FSA & USPS
Initiate non-profit postal banking
Free two year college, any associates at any time
Heavy investment in minority owned small business
Heavy investment in low income areas and all public schools
Paid sick and parental leave
Transparency and public auditing of all non classified government activity
Mandated voting seats for workers on all corporate boards
I have to say that 4 years of Trump won't be so awful if the end result is the Dems get the WH and a unified Congress.
Winning the House in '18 was important. It really slowed down the GOP and got Trump impeached and knocked the wind out of his hairpiece.
I think early voting begins in September in many states.
While I'd like to be optimistic, and fervently want a massive BLUE wave to cleanse America in 2020, the depth of the stain that Trump will leave on the fabric of America will not be so easily washed away.
From domestic issues: race divsions, the economy, healthcare, voter suppression efforts, environmental, to foreign policy: rebuilding long-term alliances that have served us well, rechecking and assessing complicated and contentious relations with China and Russia, and showing to the world we side with democracy and not authoritarian oppressive countries. Biden and the Dems have a lot to do rebuilding the ability to effectively govern that Trump and Repubs have activelt tried to dismantle.
And they will likely meet with a lot of head-wind from Repubs. And lets not forget the a conservative SC and the hundreds of federal judges Trump and McConnell hand-picked to bend law and justice to favor the rich and powerful.
But I'm hopeful that a Biden Admin wil be focused and smart and start fixing America step by step, ((I'd focus on the economy, jobs (infrastructure) aide to tax starved states and fixing O-care/healthcare and slapping sanctions on Russia). Let's see Repubs run against that in '22.
And i agree taking the House in '18 was critical in denying Trump the complete legal power to enact more damaging legislation. And in that regard keeping the House in '20 (which should be a lock) but also in '22 and '24 will be critical. And retaking the Senate would be huge in sctually fixing America,
IMO if we get a Biden presidency he will inherit a shit storm of problems, too numerous to discuss in depth now, that he will be tasked with fixing. And it won't be easy and may make him and a D-congress easy targets for the hypocritical republicans, who will demand quick cures for the diseases they brought to our country.
IMO the 4-years of suffering Trump-16 (and lets pray its just 4 years) will leave scars and have a damning legacy far beyond that happy day when we're cured of the Trumpdemic.
Banks, it sounds like you are saying America had a chance to become a better place in the mid sixties but pissed it all away with the war in Vietnam.
It’s a good reason to support Rev. Senator Warnock and his efforts to get us further up the mountain especially where republican monstrosities have a strong grip and are choking the life out of the people.
My point was that often times we do not live in a b&W world, but one with a lot of shades and nuance that we should consider
And that from time to time a monochromatic take on good and evil and right or wrong is often lacking needed depth and context.
Im pleased to see Bankshot has me in the category ofRed, Kid and Uno.
Larry you're a faceless poster, just like they are.
I've had disagreements with most of the posters here, most minor run of the mill bullshit, but some far more contentious than any disagreement we've had. I just listed the 3 posters I've most often disagreed and interacted with. (though I think Red has had me on iggy for about 5 years-I think I annoy him, so you may want to consider that option).
When I disagree and feel motivated to post my disagreement I do. And as I noted sometime ago I agree with you on most of your positions, at least in direction, if not in magnitude. But I reserve the right to disagree and when I do I will tell you why.
If you'd like to be treated differently than other posters, say so.
Elba's cancel culture crew appears to be happiest or the least conflicted cancelling 5,000 years of anti-semitsm, pretending it hasn't shaped current events or their view of how Israel should properly defend its sovereign right to exist in a very hostile world.
6/22/21
No Larry the death of democracy if it comes, will be a result of extremists (from right or left) insisting they have the cure, that we must take their cure, and if we don't, they will jam the cure down your throat or up your ass, whether you like it or not. Moderates seeking to work together to find answers may not be fast enough for you, but they will not be the death of democracy, it is in fact democracy at work, No matter how loud or how often you scream your frustrations doesn't make it true.Having said that this latest dance with Repubs may get half a loaf of infrastructure, but and as noted above, has its political risks in '22 and '24. And the Machivelli's on both ends of the political spectrum are hoping to attract the moderate middle. its democracy.
Bart I think you're being too hard on Fac and his performance art. While I don't agree with Fac and would prefer reason and discussion and the rule of law to settle our differences, rather than resort to threat of bodily harm, coercion or violence, I found his approach consistent with his affinity for minority rule. We all know that Fac's a tried and true revolutionary, a modern day Sam Adams, a performance artist of yore who's fiery rhetoric inspired steeping tea in Boston harbor. But it seems Fac prefers tyranny, terrorism and torture to Twinings.
By the way - I move to amend Bankshot's sentence from 3 days to time served
All in favor?
I ended it yesterday.
I still get the message on my computer that I am banned which is not set to expire. I am posting this from my phone. Would please remove the block on my IP or whatever to allow me to post from my Computer? Thanks.
I didn't block your IP, only your name.
You probably need to clear the cookie associated with this or reboot or something.
Not something I can fix on my end.
it seems ok now.
We have some matters to discuss.
As you are well aware a virus wiped out about 11 years of posting history. Just because you could not find a specific reference in posts that go back only 3 years, does not mean that information was not posted in prior posts.
I could, if you like, give you detailed paragraphs of several posters here from stuff they've posted from 1997 to today. Where they grew up, lived, went to college, wives, ex-wives jobs, kids, etc. Just because you can't find it doesn't mean I doxxed anyone. It means it was posted here and I've a very good memory.
Nonetheless you never got a reply from Hammy about whether he deleted his ass-kicking hustling post. I was not part of that conversation, so I don't know the post in question. I do know yank made a reference to Hammy's hustling.
Just as when I asked Hammy (post-satire) if he ever made the claim about hustling pool WBW, he would not address the question.
My satirical post was in response to yankguy who wanted to know about Hammy and his pool hustling days. Apparently yank was aware of Hammy's claims of hustling pool as a kid. And my guess is yank has a good memory too.
But what I found particularly galling was you know Hammy's doxxing history, he has doxxed me, and you, and Red and threatened yank with disclosure of private information.
And you know he's a liar.
But for reasons which remain very murky, you banned me, upon his claim that I doxxed him, without asking me a single question, or the origins of my satirical post of Hammy's hustling days.
I just got banned.
Hammy has posted about growing up in Delaware (I don't recall the city). In my spoof I used Dover.
How many cities beyond Dover and Wilmington would most readers ID as Delaware locales?
Dover and dumb ass and Dupont worked together.
it was poetic license.
I don't doxx people.
Now as for "proof" as to the substance of my satire,
Here you go
if you had searched for Hamilton Samuels and hustling you might have found this from a few months ago.
I had a seasonal business starting when I was 10 or so, raked leaves in the fall, shovelled driveways in the winter, some lawns and caddied in the summer. Carried doubles, two loops. It wasn't bad money for a kid in '63.
The only thing I could draw was a conclusion and I figured out by 19, driving a fork lift wasn't a great career path.
Picked fruits and veggies at a local farm and sold pints and quarts of them by pulling a wagon through the neighborhood going to door to door, age 9. Had the morning paper route, 100 houses, at age 12, and then I learned how some folks don't pay their bills, and never will. Cut lawns for cash at 13-14. By 15 was working summers as a lifeguard and other odd jobs during school days. Hustled 8-ball and 9-ball in bars as a 19 year-old to pay for college tuition, and worked 3 other jobs (restaurant, pub, and stadium concessions) while taking full course loads.
My first car wasn't until I was 24, and then it didn't have reverse. My first new car was in 1981. Got a great deal on a Toyota Celica ST, and beat the man for a loan that had only 12.5% interest. Ahhhh...the good old days...
The point is, there are lots of people here who made something of their lives without having things handed to them.
They also didn't catch a break by getting hired for because of their skin color or gender, and as time went on, though they are resented for that which they did to earn their living and for taking care of their families.
Many of us here do not need to apologize to anyone for what they've earned, and for the breaks they've had, and for seizing the opportunities that emerged for them.
And we were too busy making our lives work to go about oppressing yours or anyone else's. And in many cases, our work was actually enabling the success of others.
So fuck off with the racist labels, Larry and Little Stevie of AZ, and the rest of you SJW Klan members. Your overly simplistic view of our world is as narrow as any bigots' anywhere.
So Josh anytime you want to profusely apologize, as you said you would in the PM to me, please do. as you owe me one.
Hey josh, is banks still banned, banned again, or is he MIA because of another adolescent snit?
Asking for a friend.
On a unilateral basis I decided to pull back, and see if I missed the place or not. I have posted in the baseball and NFL forums, less contentious. I check in here from time to time and pick-up mail. Josh's memory seems a little foggy, I advised Josh we should move on, although noted I would miss mocking him.
OC-I can't speak for yank, but did speak to him, as we've been "internet friends" for about 25 tears. From what we discussed, we shared many of the same feelings, not all, nor to the same degree, about this forum, but my impression is your impression as to linkage is faulty. Though given the timing I can understand it. I think it accurate to say both of us have reduced our posting here over the past year or so, as signal to noise ratio became very low. But it you prefer to blame me for his departure, feel free. Much like I was accused of being a racist with no evidence, and became a troll over night,
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Finally caught Hard Knocks Browns edition E1-it was pretty entertaining and educational.
Jarvis Landry is fun and can play 1-handed, got a lesson in finance 101 how to turn $1 into $64
and that Hue jackson should probably watch his back around Todd Haley.
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Pats-Iggles kick it off tonight at the Blade.
Brady expected to see first half action.
Butler probably not.
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Jets-Skins also tonight
next test for legend in the making Sam Darnold
I'm pretty sure Butler won't play in this game either.
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Eagles won last time they played Pat's, didn't they?
Philly- Dilly.
Heh
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Pats D, particularly D-line, looked much improved and faster and brought a lot of pressure and was very disruptive. Rookie LB Bentley looked real good.
Biggest play of the game was a pressure/fumble by Foles returned for TD Foles injured his wing on the strip. It didn't look good.
Brady was Brady, played the first half, his receivers are mediocre. Cordelle Paterson made some plays and is fast, but more a gadget guy. With Edelman out first 4 games wouldn't be a shock if they are active in the WR market.
They played better than I thought they would.
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Pats 1st rounder right tackle Wynn out for season with Achilles heel injury.
sucks
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Well done, ESPN
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768 (https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768)
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Well done, ESPN
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768 (https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768)
So. You don't like hearing the national anthem?
Sad.
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Takes aways from Hard Knocks E2
does anyone really need 1000 pair of sneakers?
I think thats a tell.
And maybe Hue was jealous so shipped Corey Coleman to the Bills for a 7th rounder
and a dozen pairs od Air Jordans.
What is it with the Browns and wacky WRS?
And is adding Dez to the mix a smart move?
Is Carl really that bad a name for a kid?
the gloves were pink.
Myles Garrett is a poet and I'm rooting for "Juice"
Browns have some talent and are on the come.
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Josh Gordon is back today. And yes a WR room with him, Landry, Dez and Galloway could be a challenge.
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Speed wins
https://twitter.com/Denlesks/status/1030981649935216640 (https://twitter.com/Denlesks/status/1030981649935216640)
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that cop had some burst
nice take-down.
The NFL's punchline and America's favorite u-dog is starting to draw some action
http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas (http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas)
IMO a little early, but the Browns as noted earlier look to be on the come.
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that cop had some burst
nice take-down.
The NFL's punchline and America's favorite u-dog is starting to draw some action
http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas (http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas)
IMO a little early, but the Browns as noted earlier look to be on the come.
Pissing money away. We will be better but not that much better.
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Hard Knocks E3 was like a Sunday brunch, there was a lotta good stuff to pick from.
But stay away from butterflies as they have little nutrional value (trust me on this one)
I'm giving 5-forks to Brown O-line coach Bob Wylie, from the looks of it he's a veteran of lots of all you can eat buffets and a man of many talents and proud owner of a gleaming white Maserati. Wylie stole E3.
We got a history lesson about the D-Day, soldiers hitting the beaches and football preparedness (Belichick would love this guy) and a film session where Wylie's ideal O-line would be made up of pigs, hippos and gorillas.
The conclusion this guy is from somewhere within an easy drive of Boston
and the Browns coaching staff will give the players a run for the money in wackiness.
How can you not root for the Browns and Moose?
Given that there are no standards, a case could be made for Moyer, as has been posted here already. Is it a solid case? Is it a convincing case? Well, at least as convincing as Bill Mazeroski had or Scooter Rizzuto
Disagree
Kid As Utley can not judge Moyer on the standards that we are used to judging pitchers, like multiple 20-win seasons, over-powering mound presence, ERA, ERA+ CY votes, AS team appearances Ko to BB, you know real baseball stats that people use to compare performance, you are clearly not appreciating Utley's nuanced, balanced and sophisticated case he presented for Moyer.
As Utley states,
The case for Moyer is about the artistry.
And he did it with aplomb, without the egocentric nature that is attached to so many starting pitchers.
This is overpowering. But there is more
If he were a wine, he'd be the unappreciated petite syrah, an exceptionally rare grape with less than 10,000 planted acres worldwide. In an era in a world that only thinks of cabernet, the petite syrah, like Moyer, has been seriously overlooked.
Not yet convinced, Utley comes in with the closing argument for Moyer's HoF candidacy.
"Moyer has received numerous awards for philanthropy and community service, including the 2003 Roberto Clemente Award, the 2003 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award, the 2003 Hutch Award, and the 2004 Branch Rickey Award.
Artistry-aplomb-a nice guy but overlooked, all with the bouquet of an aborigine's armpit.
As has been said before. about Chateau Moyer, it is an unobtrusive wine yet works with both sides of the plate and "carries a message and the message is BEWARE. This is not a wine for drinking -- this is a wine for laying down and avoiding."
Which 98% of HoF voters have wisely done.
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wankspot!!!
what brilliance!
that certainly disarms me and negates his years of stupidity and hypocrisy!
LMAO
What the troll hopes is an escape from the well of hypocrisy he has dug for himself for years.
He has no answers for the contradictory conclusions of his silly arguments.
To repeat the troll wants
1) a standard for entry to the exclusive HoF
but the troll who desperately wants Moyer in the HoF
2) can not articulate a standard which even the mediocre Moyer can meet (ie there is no standard)
the hypocrisy is so apparent except to our inarticulate troll
And when pressed the troll denies the false narrative that he has pushed.
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If it's not offensive then change the name to Washington Pinkskins.
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If it's not offensive then change the name to Washington Pinkskins.
That might confuse people. They might think you were talking about the Republican Congress.
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Indians shut out the Phillies, 5 - 0. I assume Kluber got the W.
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split -squad game "A" team got whupped in Beantown.
I watched off/on between Anderson Cooper/Rachel
Foles was the pumpkin he usually is but Browns D looked real.
the one thing that irked me was the Browns 1st and goal from the one and they passed 4 times
Wasn't it Pete Carroll who said,
RUN THE FUCKING BALL!
never mind.
battle of the Meadowlands tonight with associated NYC-Jersey bragging rights
Pats-Panthers
I'm not getting a good vibe this year
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split -squad game "A" team got whupped in Beantown.
I watched off/on between Anderson Cooper/Rachel
Foles was the pumpkin he usually is but Browns D looked real.
i did not see it, but from the highlights Myles Garrett is the beast we thought he was.
the one thing that irked me was the Browns 1st and goal from the one and they passed 4 times
that is one thing I am glad I did not see.
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As I feared Pats sucked tonight.
This team looks unathletic/slow/work in progress.
BB the coach has his work cut out to coach up the drek BB the GM has given him.
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As I feared Pats sucked tonight.
This team looks unathletic/slow/work in progress.
BB the coach has his work cut out to coach up the drek BB the GM has given him.
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Maybe he will walk away mid-season the way Brady walks away mid-interview, when anyone asks about his fairy godfather, the "trainer" with the magic beans.
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BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.
But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.
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G-Men OBJ make it official
5/95 $60M guaranteed over first 3 years.
Good behavior pays off.
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BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.
But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.
Brady gets paid to do that interview, and had to know he would get that question. As Chris Russo said of it, bad job by Brady.
Sorry you can't understand that IS ABOUT football, but then, you aren't too bright.
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BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.
But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.
Brady gets paid to do that interview, and had to know he would get that question. As Chris Russo said of it, bad job by Brady.
Sorry you can't understand that IS ABOUT football, but then, you aren't too bright.
This is about your obsession with Brady and Boston.
FTR Brady was asked a variant of the question 4 (FOUR) times by the "EEI guy, and Brady told the host he wasn't discussing Guerrero.
4th time was a charm and Brady punted and hung-up on the guy.
If you think Brady gets paid anything close to the value he brings to WEEI you're dumber than I imagine, which is close to impossible.
I look forward to your posts during the season about Brady and Giselle's impending divorce and asset distribution.
I however will be posting about football.
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BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.
But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.
Brady gets paid to do that interview, and had to know he would get that question. As Chris Russo said of it, bad job by Brady.
Sorry you can't understand that IS ABOUT football, but then, you aren't too bright.
This is about your obsession with Brady and Boston.
FTR Brady was asked a variant of the question 4 (FOUR) times by the "EEI guy, and Brady told the host he wasn't discussing Guerrero.
4th time was a charm and Brady punted and hung-up on the guy.
If you think Brady gets paid anything close to the value he brings to WEEI you're dumber than I imagine, which is close to impossible.
I look forward to your posts during the season about Brady and Giselle's impending divorce and asset distribution.
I however will be posting about football.
MY obsession? Then why was national news, dimwit? Never made the argument he gets paid in terms of its value, just showing he gets paid, and reneged on his deal.
In the meantime, even someone as dim as you (although I'm not sure whom that would be), would understand that the questions asked were legitimate, related to the team and its function, and worthy of a response, and it was a question which Baby Tommy should have anticipated and been ready to answer. Kind of like you expected from Grady Little or your other personal punching bags.
Good luck "talking football", because to date we've seen nothing noteworthy coming from you.
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national news story?
it must have been a slow news day between Manafort, Cohen and McCain passing, and you think a trainer rubbing Brady's ass is a national story.
To each their own.
heh
you're an idiot.
Aaron Rodgers signs 4/134 extension over $100 million guaranteed.
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Jets trade Teddy Bridgewater to Saints
guessing for a decent draft pick
settles starter question for the Jersey B-team
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Cleveland Browns linebacker Mychal Kendricks has apologized after being charged Wednesday with insider trading by federal prosecutors to make nearly $1.2 million in illegal profits on four major investments four years ago.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading)
blue horseshoe loves Anacott steel
which reminds me I gotta watch E4 Hard Knox
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Wow. Look at bankshit, working hard to become relavent.
Heh
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Wow. Look at bankshit, working hard to become relavent.
Heh
its relevant.
you're lucky speliing doesn't count.
But I'm betting neither can you, at least much past 8, 9, or 10.
heh
Jets get a 3rd rounder for Teddie B.
Brady's trainer finds pimple on Brady's ass,
Gisele is upset,
troll rushes to find national story.
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You may STFU.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2792844-tom-brady-ends-interview-after-questions-about-trainer-alex-guerrero.amp.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2792844-tom-brady-ends-interview-after-questions-about-trainer-alex-guerrero.amp.html)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/sports/tom-brady-abruptly-ends-radio-interview/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/sports/tom-brady-abruptly-ends-radio-interview/amp/)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/new-england-patriots-news-tom-brady-bill-belichick-alex-guerrero-/2ex0ho7nmj411ti180pgoowpy (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/new-england-patriots-news-tom-brady-bill-belichick-alex-guerrero-/2ex0ho7nmj411ti180pgoowpy)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/tom-bradys-latest-theatrics-alex-guerrero-intensify-spotlight-patriots-drama-162252615.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/tom-bradys-latest-theatrics-alex-guerrero-intensify-spotlight-patriots-drama-162252615.html)
Heh
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poor troll
the NFL season is about to start and there's all sorts of interesting things to discuss yet he's remains fixated on who rubs Brady's ass.
TFF
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poor troll
the NFL season is about to start and there's all sorts of interesting things to discuss yet he's remains fixated on who rubs Brady's ass.
TFF
And yes it IS a national story.
Dicklicker.
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Troll
if you feel the story of the guy who squeezes Brady's buttocks is a national story and is relevant, then by all means, give it your best, really dig into the story, put your nose deep into it, and report back. But first, wash your hands thoroughly and wipe the shit off your nose.
In the mean time I plan to post about football.
Best of luck
and remember lots of soap and water!!!
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Giants have 8th toughest schedule in NFL. Green Bay the toughest. Not sure why last year's Superbowl teams have it so easy, but they do: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/2018/08/23/ranking-every-nfl-team-by-strength-of-schedule/111255036/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/2018/08/23/ranking-every-nfl-team-by-strength-of-schedule/111255036/)
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Troll
if you feel the story of the guy who squeezes Brady's buttocks is a national story and is relevant, then by all means, give it your best, really dig into the story, put your nose deep into it, and report back. But first, wash your hands thoroughly and wipe the shit off your nose.
In the mean time I plan to post about football.
Best of luck
and remember lots of soap and water!!!
Lol!
I see you underscored my point. Or you can't read.
It's not a matter of what I feel. It's a matter of fact.
And since it's the truth, you can't handle it, of course.
Heh
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I asked you to wash.
Are you all done covering the big national story, the one that was dead within a few minutes of Brady hanging up?
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National story: https://youtu.be/FPsGDpLsRIk (https://youtu.be/FPsGDpLsRIk)
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If you weren't nose deep into Brady butt crack you might have read (posted earlier today
Cleveland Browns linebacker Mychal Kendricks has apologized after being charged Wednesday with insider trading by federal prosecutors to make nearly $1.2 million in illegal profits on four major investments four years ago.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading)
blue horseshoe loves Anacott steel
which reminds me I gotta watch E4 Hard Knox
and troll wipe the shit off your nose
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National story. Cheater has a "reality check".https://www.yahoo.com/sports/final-week-preseason-reality-check-181959718.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/final-week-preseason-reality-check-181959718.html)
Better he should check what TB12 is putting in his Starbucks drink.
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season starts in a week,
any interest in a Pro pick'em this year?
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Fantastic off season Jets may have finally secured their franchise, not franchez, QB.
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Colin K wins round 1--collusion case can continue against NFL owners
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html)
The ruling by Stephen B. Burbank, an arbitrator who was appointed by the league and the N.F.L. Players Association, said lawyers for Kaepernick, a free-agent quarterback, had unearthed enough information in the past year for the case to proceed to a full hearing.
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Colin K wins round 1--collusion case can continue against NFL owners
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html)
The ruling by Stephen B. Burbank, an arbitrator who was appointed by the league and the N.F.L. Players Association, said lawyers for Kaepernick, a free-agent quarterback, had unearthed enough information in the past year for the case to proceed to a full hearing.
Kinda depressing Kaep and his fellow gladiators are essentially protesting the same issues protested by Tommy Smith and John Carlos when I was 10.
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I'll pass on a Pick Em. I always forget to make my picks at some point and that messes everything up
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I've no idea why I watched off/on Pats/Giants last night, as there was probably no more than a handful of guys who will actually play this year, but its not often I've seen a 86-yard QB "sneak" for a TD.
Carl Banks, (I think it was him) said "7 guys just got cut on that play".
the real hi-light, I hope, is no one got hurt.
Pats are woefully short of receivers, speculation is they either mine the Sept 1 player cut-down dump or trade a D-lineman for adecent WR (Golden Tate is the rumor du jour)
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Starting the excuse making already? Ha!
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Its called an impartal observation, and it was first made a couple of weeks ago.
and speaking of observations, wipe the shit off your nose ass-wipe
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NFL Week 1
for informational and entertainment purposes only
NFL Line 9/6 - 9/10, 2018
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
9/6 8:20 ET At Philadelphia -2.5 Atlanta 45.5
9/9 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -5.5 At Cleveland 46.5
9/9 1:00 ET At Minnesota -6 San Francisco 46
9/9 1:00 ET At Indianapolis -3 Cincinnati 47
9/9 1:00 ET At Baltimore -7 Buffalo 41
9/9 1:00 ET Jacksonville -3 At NY Giants 43.5
9/9 1:00 ET At New Orleans -9.5 Tampa Bay 49.5
9/9 1:00 ET At New England -6.5 Houston 51
9/9 1:00 ET Tennessee -2 At Miami 46
9/9 4:05 ET At LA Chargers -3 Kansas City 47.5
9/9 4:25 ET At Denver -2.5 Seattle 42
9/9 4:25 ET At Carolina -2.5 Dallas 42.5
9/9 4:25 ET At Arizona PK Washington 44
9/9 8:20 ET At Green Bay -7.5 Chicago 48
Monday Night Football Line
9/10 7:10 ET At Detroit -6.5 NY Jets 44.5
9/10 10:20 ET LA Rams -4.5 At Oakland 49.5
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Winning off the field... and so far, in the courts.
The new ad, which Kaepernick shared on social media Monday afternoon, features the message: "Believe in something. Even if it means sacrificing everything."
Nike signed Kaepernick in 2011 and kept him on its endorsement roster over the years. The company had not used him in the past two years.
"We believe Colin is one of the most inspirational athletes of this generation, who has leveraged the power of sport to help move the world forward," Gino Fisanotti, Nike's vice president of brand for North America, told ESPN.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24568359/colin-kaepernick-face-nike-just-do-30th-anniversary-campaign (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24568359/colin-kaepernick-face-nike-just-do-30th-anniversary-campaign)
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Using -2.5 and O/U 45.5.
Philadelphia and the under
21-17 Eggles.
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Falcons.
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Will take Falcons with points and the under.
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Will take Falcons with points and the under.
So now you make picks?
heh
Thats the way (Atl +2) I went tonight.
This game is wholly representative of what we've come to know as Thursday Night Footbal.
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I can only remember to make picks when the game is about to start. I'm a deadline guy.
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Matty has lost the plate tonight.
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heh
like i was saying-that was a brutal throw
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The ending was good television, but the game as a whole was awful!
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agreed that was a lot of bad football.
Matty was throwing ducks last night-no zip on ball, he looked broken.
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Will take Falcons with points and the under.
So now you make picks?
heh
Thats the way (Atl +2) I went tonight.
lol
shoulda kept it in your pants
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Using -2.5 and O/U 45.5.
Philadelphia and the under
21-17 Eggles.
Little thing we call a perfect game, my friends
Win
WIN vs spread
WIN vs O/U
- by the way - openings in score predicting contest if anyone is interested - just need an e-mail from you.
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Will take Falcons with points and the under.
So now you make picks?
heh
Thats the way (Atl +2) I went tonight.
lol
shoulda kept it in your pants
Why?
a few guys shared their prediction.
and we lost, mostly due to Matty Ice gakking repeatedly in the red zone.
Congrats on your perfecto.
And I'll pass on your pool I'm in a couple already one against spread (0-1) one KO (still alive)
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agreed that was a lot of bad football.
Matty was throwing ducks last night-no zip on ball, he looked broken.
CNN agreed.
And despite that, they came within one good pass of winning. I want to say of the Eagles, "That was the offense the Patriot's defense couldn't stop?!"
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agreed that was a lot of bad football.
Matty was throwing ducks last night-no zip on ball, he looked broken.
CNN agreed.
And despite that, they came within one good pass of winning. I want to say of the Eagles, "That was the offense the Patriot's defense couldn't stop?!"
Surprising BB couldn't come up with some gametime modification in strategy or sub packages to blunt the force of Foles.
very strange.
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KO pool
wk-1 Ravens
not feeling great about the Pats today of for the season, although they are still favored for the AFC and SB.
IMO a lot of risky/poor draft choices and questionable trades have left them vulnerable and unathletic.
BB's a great coach and he will need all his skills to coach up the team BB the GM stuck him with.
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Had Ravens as well
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Had mypicks ready to submit today, then my internet goes out
Faced with a 3 minutes to deadline - had to redo entire page so I quickly posted a "loser gets 17 points" model.
Here is what I ended up with mostly favorites covering:
Steelers -5.5
Vikings -6
Indy -3
Ravens -7
Giants +3
Saints -9.5
Pats -6.5
Dolphins +2
Chargers -3
Broncs -2.5
Cowboys +2.5
Arizona PK
Packers -7.5
Lions -6.5
Rams -4.5
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Over/unders I have
I have just Saints, Packers and Ravens games going OVER the points
What a mess, but may work out.
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KO pool
wk-1 Ravens
not feeling great about the Pats today of for the season, although they are still favored for the AFC and SB.
IMO a lot of risky/poor draft choices and questionable trades have left them vulnerable and unathletic.
BB's a great coach and he will need all his skills to coach up the team BB the GM stuck him with.
At half-time, are you feeling any better about today?
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The TB/NO game is crazy!
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Brees 26-31 for 318 with no picks and Saints are down 17
Incredible
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Looks like I had Deshaun Jackson a year early
heh
Meanwhile Schurmur goes for 2, down 5 with ten to play - interesting. I liek the gamble, but now they have to go for 2 again if they score.
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KO pool
wk-1 Ravens
not feeling great about the Pats today of for the season, although they are still favored for the AFC and SB.
IMO a lot of risky/poor draft choices and questionable trades have left them vulnerable and unathletic.
BB's a great coach and he will need all his skills to coach up the team BB the GM stuck him with.
At half-time, are you feeling any better about today?
yes and no.
I thought the problem mostly would be lack of toys on offense, but Brady continues to make chicken salad from... And Gronk is special. I exepcted the D to be good and it was but I was concerned about effectiveness vs. mobile QBs. Special teams gave up some longer than usual returns. And the turnovers sucked but all in all they played well enough and they won a little ugly.
awinzawin
But the concerns about athleticism and depth remain. There is only so much coaching can do.
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The Browns-the streak is over!
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The Browns-the streak is over!
Well, the losing streak is over. The winless streak continues.
Not a good look for Big Ben.
And Buffalo, the Nathan Peterson Peterman era is over, again. Wonder how long until he's back in again. (And wtf were they thinking?)
Colin the K is still out there...
ETA: Thanks, Yank.
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His name is Peterman.
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The Jimmy Garoppolo streak is also over.
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The Browns-the streak is over!
Well, the losing streak is over. The winless streak continues.
Not a good look for Big Ben.
And Buffalo, the Nathan Peterson Peterman era is over, again. Wonder how long until he's back in again. (And wtf were they thinking?)
Colin the K is still out there...
ETA: Thanks, Yank.
Bills head coach Sean McDermott said after Sunday’s 47-3 loss to the Ravens that it is too soon to say whether the Bills will go with Nathan Peterborough or Josh Allen.
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His name is Peterman.
His Urban Sombrero while not a huge financial success, revolutionized NYC street fashion in the late 80s. Cheeky, but with a hint of maschismo that drew oles from Soho to the Village.
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Peterman will be fine as long as he doesn't hire Elaine Benes to work for him.
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The Redskins look like a model of professionalism next to the Cardinals.
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Quite the closing minutes for the Bears/Packers!
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Will Sam Darnold snap the curse of the USC QB?
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LOLOLOL
I feel bad for the kid but that is too funny.
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Matt Patricia's team did not have an auspicious start.
And it still has a quarter to go.
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Matt Patricia's team did not have an auspicious start.
And it still has a quarter to go.
Worse comes to worse, Matty P always has rocket science to fall back on.
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Impressive performance/comeback from the ledge by Darnold/Jets last night.
I've posted elsewhere that with a decent D, a potential rookie franchise QB and $90 million in cap space, JETS may be a major PITA real soon.
I wonder if Jersey A develops remorse at what left for Jersey B?
Time will tell.
7-8-1 against the spread
picking 16 is a tough way to make dough
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Jets may be in on Leveon.
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Missed the THU pick.
I will post the odds I am using weekly. You guys that want to play along can use mine or post what your adjusted line is from your pool. Picking O/U as well - though I wouldnt expect everyone to
Week 2
Bengals +1 defeated Ravens 34-23 - game goes over 44 points
Skins -6 vs Colts (46)
Falcons -6 vs Panthers (44.5)
Vikings -1 at Packers (46)
Chargers -7.5 at Bills (43)
Texans -2.5 at Titans (44.5)
Steelers -4 vs Chiefs (52.5)
Jets -3 vs Dolphins (44)
Eagles -3 at Buccaneers (43.5)
Saints -9 vs Browns (49.5)
Rams -12.5 vs Cardinals (45.5)
Niners -6 vs Lions (48)
Patriots -1.5 at Jaguars (45.5)
Broncos -6 vs Raiders (45)
Cowboys -3 vs Giants (42.5)
Bears -3.5 vs Seahawks (43.5)
Good luck.
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
If I had done one, week one would have been the Steelers. Where does that leave me?
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
If I had done one, week one would have been the Steelers. Where does that leave me?
I think standard scoring is a TKO.
you coulda been a contenda...
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Late switch off bucs to eagles
Money plays ... Hou vs points
And 4 team parlay vs points ... 11.7-1
Chargers
Rams
Patriots
Broncos
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Scores
Skins 24-20
Atl 24-17
Green Bay 27-24
Chargers 24-14
Hou 23-17
Pitt 31-24
Jets 24-17
Eagles 23-19
Saints 31-24
Rams 30-13
Niners 27-20
Patriots 28-21
Broncos 28-21
NYG 23-20
Seahawks 20-17
Good luck.
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Boy, Buffalo looks as bad as any team I have seen in ages. And I am a Browns fan.
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
Looks like I stayed alive with chargers
Sorry...forgot to post
Good game in Pitt as Steelers tie it again
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Can no one in this town KICK THE FUCKING BALL?
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
I feel like one of the Gibbs Brothers with that win..
ah, ah, ah, ah, Stayin alive
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Can no one in this town KICK THE FUCKING BALL?
life ain't fair boz.
that had to suck
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Can no one in this town KICK THE FUCKING BALL?
life ain't fair boz.
that had to suck
Two weeks in a row. Left 8 points out on the field today.
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Jags with a major ass-kicking
not many good take aways for the Pats in that half
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Vontae Mack decided to stop playing at half time today. Officially announced his retirement after the game.
Wow.
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Vontae Mack decided to stop playing at half time today. Officially announced his retirement after the game.
Wow.
Wow is right. He was drafted what, 4 years ago?
Pats could use a young LB if he decided to make a comeback.
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It was Vontae Davis (he and his brother, Vernon, who plays for the Redskins, are DC high school football legends) who abruptly retired.
Vontae Mack was a fake player wasn't he?
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Jags with a major ass-kicking
not many good take aways for the Pats in that half
2nd half wasn't much better.
Better team won.
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It was Vontae Davis (he and his brother, Vernon, who plays for the Redskins, are DC high school football legends) who abruptly retired.
I thought Josh was doing a Draft Day riff.
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It was Vontae Davis (he and his brother, Vernon, who plays for the Redskins, are DC high school football legends) who abruptly retired.
I thought Josh was doing a Draft Day riff.
He was.
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rough night for Opie.
the imagined offensive juggernaut hasn't quite jelled yet
that O-line might get him killed.
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Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
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Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
For a fifth round pick. Interesting. A lot of his pro lems supposedly stem from serious self esteem issues. Fortunately, Belichick is known for his positive personality and coddling talent.
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We have also, to the surprise of no one, picked up a new kicker and kicked Gonzalez out. Straight out. No truth to the rumor we kicked him out wide right.
Minnesota picked up the guy I wanted us to get, Dan Bailey.
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Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
For a fifth round pick. Interesting. A lot of his pro lems supposedly stem from serious self esteem issues. Fortunately, Belichick is known for his positive personality and coddling talent.
Pats cut Corey Coleman to make room for Gordon.
They kept the sneakers.
Color me skeptical.
Who else you guys got?
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Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
For a fifth round pick. Interesting. A lot of his pro lems supposedly stem from serious self esteem issues. Fortunately, Belichick is known for his positive personality and coddling talent.
Pats cut Corey Coleman to make room for Gordon.
They kept the sneakers.
Color me skeptical.
Who else you guys got?
Need a kicker?
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From the book that everyone will want to read: One New England assistant said the general feeling among staff members around that time wasn’t that Belichick’s system could make Super Bowl quarterbacks out of all 32 NFL starters. “But if you gave us any of the top 15, we could do it,” the assistant said. “I don’t think the coaches view Tom as special as everyone else in football does. Mr. Kraft thinks Tom is the greatest gift ever, but the coaches don’t.”
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An anonymous "assistant" thinks that the staff believes that the staff and not one of the greatest QBs ever to play the game, is responsible for winning several championships.
Good to know.
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you sound like the GOP senate, right now.
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speaking of top 15 QBs with some post-season success, this is an OP elsewhere about the NYFG
"The New York Football Giants are shaping up to be a shit-show of finger-pointing, second guessing and a lot of bad football this year. So...
Rather than upset Eli and create a QB controversy, Dave Gettleman hired by NFL royalty, the Mara/Tischs, doubled down on Opie, thinking they had the talent to win it now.
To keep the peace in Mayberry, who's townfolk revolted when Opie was benched last year, did not draft the next franchise QB, or trade the 2nd pick in the draft for a package to rebuild and fill and several holes, like the O-line, but instead they drafted a very talented running back. And then they commited to a long-term contract to OBJ, making him the highest paid prima dona head case receiver in the NFL. The PR was this team was an offensive juggernaut, loaded and ready to win.
Poor Opie will make it to Yom Kippur, but may not make it to Halloween if the O-line plays like it played last night. No protection for Eli, no time to let OBJ run routes, not strong enough to open holes for Barkely to scamper through.
So for G-Men fans, kibbitzers, fans of car crashs or schadenfreud share your thoughts, stats, insights, rants or vents, on the blue-bloods of the NFL, BIG-BLUE, the NYFG
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While one of the QBs might have made more sense than Barkley (though I don't think any of them are the generational type of talent that Barkley is), the O-line issue would still be in place and in the end I've got less trouble with relying on Manning for another year or so than I do with hiring Shurmur who's the exact same guy as McAdoo.
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you sound like the GOP senate, right now.
Dr. Ford is anonymous?
No she's not.
If some unnamed source wants to take credit for Pats championships, cool.
But I don't have to give it much credibility, particularly when I've seen Brady play.
See, troll, I believe my eyes, not what I'm told to believe.
You are free however to ignore the obvious and believe what you choose.
And in that regard I will believe based on your exhibited behavior and posts that you're an idiot, who'd rather dish on Brady than utter a single word on the shit show in your own house.
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While one of the QBs might have made more sense than Barkley (though I don't think any of them are the generational type of talent that Barkley is), the O-line issue would still be in place and in the end I've got less trouble with relying on Manning for another year or so than I do with hiring Shurmur who's the exact same guy as McAdoo.
Shurmer was on with Francesa yesterday and did not make a great impression in his 10-15 minute interview.
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"Tom knows Bill is the best coach in the league, but he's had enough of him," the anonymous source with knowledge of the relationship told O'Connor in the book. "If Tom could, I think he would divorce him."
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002 (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002)
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While one of the QBs might have made more sense than Barkley (though I don't think any of them are the generational type of talent that Barkley is), the O-line issue would still be in place and in the end I've got less trouble with relying on Manning for another year or so than I do with hiring Shurmur who's the exact same guy as McAdoo.
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"Tom knows Bill is the best coach in the league, but he's had enough of him," the anonymous source with knowledge of the relationship told O'Connor in the book. "If Tom could, I think he would divorce him."
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002 (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002)
19 year marriages between QBs and coachs is pretty rare if not unique in the NFL.
Perhaps after two decades together both long for new trophy partners.
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"Tom knows Bill is the best coach in the league, but he's had enough of him," the anonymous source with knowledge of the relationship told O'Connor in the book. "If Tom could, I think he would divorce him."
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002 (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002)
19 year marriages between QBs and coachs is pretty rare if not unique in the NFL.
Perhaps after two decades together both long for new trophy partners.
Perhaps, but he doesn't want to end up his career showing his true self.
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From the book that everyone will want to read: One New England assistant said the general feeling among staff members around that time wasn’t that Belichick’s system could make Super Bowl quarterbacks out of all 32 NFL starters. “But if you gave us any of the top 15, we could do it,” the assistant said. “I don’t think the coaches view Tom as special as everyone else in football does. Mr. Kraft thinks Tom is the greatest gift ever, but the coaches don’t.”
Hey, it's an argument. I mean, Matt Cassel did take the Pats to 11-5!
OTOH, Belichick's system had a top 15 quarterback who went 5-12 with that head coach the year before Bill became a genius - a quarterback whose team went 8-8 under Pete Carroll.
Perhaps if Bill goes away for a year we can find out, though it would have been a better experiment in, say, this last Super Bowl!
I think it took them both.
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I think as Brady is viewing the end of his career, he has been more forthcoming.
And if some take objection to Brady showing his "true self" whatever that might be, I imagine he will survive his anonymous and envious critics, quite nicely.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWH3GnwDuA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWH3GnwDuA)
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https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html (https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html)
6 schools had to cancel their seasons due to lack of sufficient players.
3600 fewer players in that area than in 2012.
And no reason to expect the trend to stop.
Implications for colleges and the pros.
Will Trump step in to save the game?
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https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html (https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html)
6 schools had to cancel their seasons due to lack of sufficient players.
3600 fewer players in that area than in 2012.
And no reason to expect the trend to stop.
Implications for colleges and the pros.
Will Trump step in to save the game?
In this area lacrosse is the growing contact sport.
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Tyrod Taylor just got Wally Pipped.
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Congrats boz
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Congrats boz
Free beer!
Joe Thomas has dropped a lot of weight.
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probably cut out starches or something
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Almost physically restraining my overreaction.
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Fuck it. BAKER MAYFIELD IS THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK SINCE OTTO FUCKING GRAHAM! WE ARE WINNING THE NEXT 12 SUPER BOWLS!
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That is out of my system. We'll see how Mayfield does when teams start game planning for him. Looked good tonight, and the offense looked crisper and just plain better with him.
I assume Taylor's concussion will be stretched out to make the starting decision fait accompli next Sunday.
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The thing that has impressed me so far is the Browns D-it looks real.
And now that you have the GOAT...
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https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html (https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html)
6 schools had to cancel their seasons due to lack of sufficient players.
3600 fewer players in that area than in 2012.
And no reason to expect the trend to stop.
Implications for colleges and the pros.
Will Trump step in to save the game?
In this area lacrosse is the growing contact sport.
Spring sport.
Not sure what HS aged footballers are doing when they drop from the ranks. YOUTH can transition to soccer. But at 15/16? Wouldnt be common.
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That is out of my system. We'll see how Mayfield does when teams start game planning for him. Looked good tonight, and the offense looked crisper and just plain better with him.
I assume Taylor's concussion will be stretched out to make the starting decision fait accompli next Sunday.
There was a WOW factor to Mayfield's debut
Even if he hadnt gotten the victory - this kid was born to lead an offense (please, save the "but it was just the Jets")
Just dont see the same gait early on with Darnold.
Credit Cleveland for going with their analysis, passing on one of the better running backs in the last 10 years while they were at it. And adding Hyde was a nicely timed tandem move.
Cant wait to hear MIKE F today. He of course was all in on Sam as the better player.
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The thing that has impressed me so far is the Browns D-it looks real.
And now that you have the GOAT...
Denzel Ward: three games, three turn overs. Four sacks for Garrett, and O-Gun is playing in the backfield. Yeah, we have played well enough on defense to win each game.
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That is out of my system. We'll see how Mayfield does when teams start game planning for him. Looked good tonight, and the offense looked crisper and just plain better with him.
I assume Taylor's concussion will be stretched out to make the starting decision fait accompli next Sunday.
There was a WOW factor to Mayfield's debut
Even if he hadnt gotten the victory - this kid was born to lead an offense (please, save the "but it was just the Jets")
Just dont see the same gait early on with Darnold.
Credit Cleveland for going with their analysis, passing on one of the better running backs in the last 10 years while they were at it. And adding Hyde was a nicely timed tandem move.
Cant wait to hear MIKE F today. He of course was all in on Sam as the better player.
The "leadership" thing was the selling point, but in the NFL leadership is really inextricably from talent and results.
I liked the Jets D. They were.dominant for most.of the first half, and a lot of Mayfield's throws were in great spots. Hyde, who I always liked and thought undervalued was bottled up until the second half.
Mayfield sure seems to "get" Landry who has been as good as we paid him to be and better than I expected. I.still expect, to borrow from Aunt Dahlia's French chef Anatole, a few roughs with the smooth. But I see a glimmer.
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Browns were good on D last year, too. But the really short field they had to defend and number of plays they had to play skewed the numbers. Biggest problem was the defensive backfield, which is why they valued Ward over Chubb and traded for Randall.
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And they already try to take Mayfield down
(bot sure who Jason McIntyre is but here he is a douche)
https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1043211763813105664 (https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1043211763813105664)
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Jets need to clean management and coaching, they should be good.
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
wk-3 Vikes
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Picks today
Survivor - Jags
Colts +6.5
Carolina -3
Jags - 7.5
Atlanta -3
Broncos +5.5
Giants +6
Miami -3
Redskins +3
Vikings -16.5
San Fran +6.5
LA Rams -7
Arizona +6
Cowboys +1,5
Lions +6.5
Buccaneers +1.5
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
wk-3 Vikes
60% of my pool has Minnesota
Go Bills!
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..............and some early gifts from Cousins
Bills by 17.
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
wk-3 Vikes
Any given Sunday
heh
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Allen must be playing well
Usually I'd say that game isnt over yet.
But.....
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Wait a minute -
Niners are down 14 with 5 minutes left and they kicked a field goal?
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Much needed and nice bounce back week for Opie and the G-Men.
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The end of the Jimmy G era?
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Is he dead?
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Is he dead?
No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.
But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.
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The Patriots look terrible!
If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.
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Is he dead?
No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.
But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.
I heard MCL also.
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The Patriots look terrible!
If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.
An awful lot of terrible tonight.
They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.
Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.
As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.
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Giants finally had enough of Erick Flowers, and Eli reaped the benefits.
Pats lose, Dolphins win.
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The Patriots look terrible!
If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.
An awful lot of terrible tonight.
They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.
Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.
As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.
Playoffs, win the east, maybe the AFC. Chiefs look great, but that defense... Steelers are a mess, Titans and the Jags have major QB issues, even at 2 - 1 I stick by my prediction the Browns finish ahead of Cinci. There is life in the old man yet.
Mayfield.offocially named starter to the surprise of Colin Cowherd and no one else. Two in a row?
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Is he dead?
No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.
But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.
Dick Pat fan alert
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Is he dead?
No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.
But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.
Dick Pat fan alert
Who is Dick Pat?
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The Patriots look terrible!
If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.
An awful lot of terrible tonight.
They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.
Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.
As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.
Playoffs, win the east, maybe the AFC. Chiefs look great, but that defense... Steelers are a mess, Titans and the Jags have major QB issues, even at 2 - 1 I stick by my prediction the Browns finish ahead of Cinci. There is life in the old man yet.
Mayfield.offocially named starter to the surprise of Colin Cowherd and no one else. Two in a row?
Generally after 3 weeks I get a sense of who's who. This year not so much.
I didn't see the Bills-Vikes game, but WTF?
If I had to guess the SB, I'd say KC-LA Rams.
KoD.
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Is he dead?
No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.
But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.
Dick Pat fan alert
Who is Dick Pat?
Never mind. The penny dropped. Perhaps if you had capitalized the F.
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The Patriots look terrible!
If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.
An awful lot of terrible tonight.
They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.
Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.
As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.
Playoffs, win the east, maybe the AFC. Chiefs look great, but that defense... Steelers are a mess, Titans and the Jags have major QB issues, even at 2 - 1 I stick by my prediction the Browns finish ahead of Cinci. There is life in the old man yet.
Mayfield.offocially named starter to the surprise of Colin Cowherd and no one else. Two in a row?
Generally after 3 weeks I get a sense of who's who. This year not so much.
I didn't see the Bills-Vikes game, but WTF?
If I had to guess the SB, I'd say KC-LA Rams.
KoD.
I have it LA Rams - Cleveland Browns. I may be overreacting for part of that.
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Pick is Rams -7. And over 48.5.
34-24 LA
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Does your bookie or local sports book allow a wager so long after the game starts?
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Only played the over......
And of course there is the scores contest.
Thinking of taking the mulligan in Survivor pool for another unit.
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Nice defense the Vikes got...
heh
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Nice defense the Vikes got...
heh
While I was listening in the car, it didn't sound like either team had defense, though the Vikings got the Rams to punt first after 5 consecutive scoring drives by the two sides.
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Back in knockout (mulligan)
FALCONS
Picks (spread)
Rams -6.5 Vikes over 48.5 (++)
Patriots -7 Dolphins under 48
Texans +2.5 Colts over 47.5
Falcons -6 Bengals over 51.5
Bills +10 Green Bay over 44.5
Dallas -3 Lions under 43.5
Jets +7.5 Jags under 38
Bears -2.5 Bucs under 48.5
Eagles -3.5 Titans over 42
Seahawks -3 Cardinals under 38.5
Browns +2.5 Oakland over 45
Chargers -10.5 Niners under 47
Giants +3.5 Saints over 50
Steelers -3 Ravens under 48.5
Chiefs -5 Broncos over 55
Underdogs to win game - Texans, Browns, Giants
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Chargers, Jags, Packers biggest SURVIVOR picks.
320 players left. About half (with me) have the one loss and thus cannot rebuy again if they lose.
Pool is about 1500 units, winner take all
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Hah
Muerte again
Nice job by Bungles
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Pats needed a game like that, clicking on most cylinders.
D played real well and controlled the game.
Sony Michel looked like a difference maker and had a good game, and Gordon helped.
Brady was not surgical sharp, but good enough, but he's off so far this year.
Lets see if getting Jules back, (short week vs Indy) on Thurs PM, gets them to another level.
As an aside, finding/picking games this year has been a really tough.
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Mayfield sucks! We should never have drafted him! We won't win another game all year!
To be a Cleveland fan is to over react.
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Mayfield sucks! We should never have drafted him! We won't win another game all year!
To be a Cleveland fan is to over react.
Pats might be interested if Browns and young Baker aren't a good match.
Didn't see the game, but heard the Browns got reamed late by the refs.
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It appears to me that Brady has, finally, lost a bit off his fastball. It could be his receivers, but I don't think so.
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It appears to me that Brady has, finally, lost a bit off his fastball. It could be his receivers, but I don't think so.
He's definitely been losing his fastball for the past 2-3 years, but he had his trusted Jules and Danny to find spots/get open, and he's been surgical in the intermediate game. But this year, with no binkies, coverage of Gronk gets tighter and the shutdown corners are looking at Dorsett and Hogan instead of Jules and Danny. Different game and he's been forced into high risk throws. And it shows.
I hope with Edelman returning and maybe Gordon being a threat, things will get easier for the old man
we'll see.
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Mayfield sucks! We should never have drafted him! We won't win another game all year!
To be a Cleveland fan is to over react.
Pats might be interested if Browns and young Baker aren't a good match.
Didn't see the game, but heard the Browns got reamed late by the refs.
We got completely screwed by the refs! NO sane person should change the spot on that play unless they were paid to! We need a league wide I investigation! Baker Mayfield is the greatest QB ever and the refs were bribed to cost him his first win!
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:Got Pats -10. Under 51.5.
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Steelers -3 35-31 over 57.5
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Browns 24-21 +3
Chiefs 31-24 -3
Titans 20-17 -3.5
Panthers 27-17 -7
Broncos 20-17 +1.5
Packers 24-21 -1.5
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Bengals 28-20 -6.5
Chargers 37-30 -5.5
Miners 20-17 -4
Eagles 27-20 -3
Rams 30-21 -7
Texans 28-24 -3
Saints 34-24 -6.5
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How about those Packers!
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brutal gut punch loss for G-Men.
a 63-yarder at the buzzer?
ouch
And Brownies win in OT on what may be ugliest wounded duck of a FG that wobbled through the goal posts in recent memory.
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that was an insane catch n run by Hopkins to set up the game winning FG.
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10-4 wins
7-6-1 spread
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PARADE.JPEG
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10-4 wins
7-6-1 spread
You might want to recount your wins and losses, strsight and ATS.
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Eggles lost - had it as a W
9-5
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Eggles lost - had it as a W
9-5
that's half the truth
and a quick accounting indicates you're 6-7-1 ATS
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Thanks again, dickie
wins vs spread
Pats
Steelers
Browns
Chiefs
Bills (+3.5)
Bengals
Chargers
Cardinals (+4)
Texans a push
8-5-1
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Same 17-10 composite
Have to check the O/U
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O/U wins
New England (over 51.5)
Pitt (over 57)
Browns (under 47)
Titans (under 39)
Detroit (under 51)
Bengals (under 49.5)
Rams (over 50.5)
7-7
24-17-1 total
always look for 60+ per cent.
Just under this week
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Thanks again, dickie
wins vs spread
Pats
Steelers
Browns
Chiefs
Bills (+3.5)
Bengals
Chargers
Cardinals (+4)
Texans a push
8-5-1
You had neither the Bills nor the Cards.
here are your picks
:Got Pats -10. Under 51.5.
Steelers -3 35-31 over 57.5
Browns 24-21 +3
Chiefs 31-24 -3
Titans 20-17 -3.5
Panthers 27-17 -7
Broncos 20-17 +1.5
Packers 24-21 -1.5
Bengals 28-20 -6.5
Chargers 37-30 -5.5
Miners 20-17 -4
Eagles 27-20 -3
Rams 30-21 -7
Texans 28-24 -3
Saints 34-24 -6.5
As I said Timmy you were 6-7-1 ATS
I'll give you the benefit of thr doubt, and assume you made a mistake in recall.
You might want to check that out, as for reasons known only to you, you have demonstrated on several occasions, an inability to accurately represent your predictions.
Maybe eat more brain food.
Or stop lying.
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Don't you know what 20-17 -4 means?
Never mind. Just too funny for words.
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Don't you know what 20-17 -4 means?
Never mind. Just too funny for words.
best of luck telling your bookie that Titans -3 1/2 and 49ers -4 are winners, and he got it wrong.
TFF
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Drew Brees is the GOAT.
END
OF
STORY.
STFU, Brady.
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Just noticing the Saints romp.....
Takes us to 9-5 vs the number
10-5 on game winners
8-7 O/U
27-17 composite (.614)
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heh
and Trump only got a 1-million dollar loan from daddy.
accounting is tricky stuff.
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I guess it can be
100% straight forward in this case
But I appreciate your counting along with me. As youc an see, I am quite willing to correct anymistake I make in my quick counting.
Can you go back and tally last week for me? I didnt count up totals for 2 of the 4 weeks. 1 I know was pretty shoddy.
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21-23-1 last 3 weeks......vs spread.
Will tally weeks 1 and 2 later on......
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its been a tough year for most people handicapping games this year.
I'm in a ATS pool and I'm hovering near .500, but only about 10% are over .500.
Last week was my best week (ATS) to date. 9-5-1.
My game/bar bets are doing better, in the black a few $$$, but can't find as many games as I really like.
Too many new QBs and teams going through personnel changes to get solid reads plus its still a little early see who's over and under-valued.
Hopefully things get easier and more transparent as more info assessed.
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leaning G-Men +3 tonight against a beat-up Iggles in what could be played in a monsoon
probably the under too (45)
all subject to fine tuning and some 2nd guessing and injuries but lets go with
dogs 23
birds 17
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Wet weather favors running game and receivers causing defenders to fall down.
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the weather is going to be bigger factor than usual tonight
but seeing how my season has gone so far, it will probabyl be sunny and in the 70s tonight
heh
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Giants, getting 3, win game. Game goes OVER 44 points
NY 24 Philly 21
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Eagles win after Nick Foles enters game. :-o
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sounds like the citizens of Mayberry are getting a little frustrated with Opie
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Barkley putting on a helluva show
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rest of the G-Men putting on a no-show.
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Felt bad for Opie last night, as the big kids were beating him up
Aunt Bea made him cookies to cheer him up
He might want to sit down with Pa and consider a future career in law enforcement or film-making, but not QBing, as he may get killed without an O-line
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And he probably should not listen to the radio or internet as he will hear/read some variation of he should retire or the G-Men should have drafted a QB instead Barkley.
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Felt bad for Opie last night, as the big kids were beating him up
Aunt Bea made him cookies to cheer him up
He might want to sit down with Pa and consider a future career in law enforcement or film-making, but not QBing, as he may get killed without an O-line
Heh
Pretty sure EMann won't have to work post career.
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And he probably should not listen to the radio or internet as he will hear/read some variation of he should retire or the G-Men should have drafted a QB instead Barkley.
That hasn't been said on NY radio
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Will make this a little easier to understand this week
Week 6 picks (winner of bet listed first)
Giants +3 vs Philly 26-23 NY (44)
Cleveland +1 vs Chargers Browns 22-19 (45)
Vikings -10.5 vs Cards 30-14 Min (43)
Miami +3 vs Chicago Dolphins 23-20 (41.5)
Skins -1 vs Panthers Wash 27-24 (45)
NY Jets -2.5 vs Colts NY 24-20 (45)
Steelers +2.5 @ Cincinnati Pitt 27-24 (53)
Bucs +3.5 @ Atlanta Falcons 31-30 (57.5)
Seahawks -3 Oakland (London) SEA 27-20 (48)
Houston -8 vs Bills Texans 27-17 (OFF)
Rams -7 @ Denver LAR 30-21 (52.5)
Dallas +3 vs Jaguars Cowboys 20-17 (40.5)
Ravens -3 @ Tennessee Baltimore 23-17 (41)
Chiefs +3.5 @ New England Patriots 31-30 (59.5)
Green Bay -9.5 vs 49ers Packers 35-17 (46.5)
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And he probably should not listen to the radio or internet as he will hear/read some variation of he should retire or the G-Men should have drafted a QB instead Barkley.
That hasn't been said on NY radio
I don't know which NY radio you listen to, but I suspect its might be NPR, because if you listened to "FAN you would have heard some combination of Yankee post-mortem calls killing Stanton and Boone, and an avalanche of calls, questioning the Giants strategy to reload based upon Eli's leading the team, and that Eli is cooked, done finito, and when does he get benched.
The 1st and 2nd guessers ruled the airwaves in a wake of the Yankees and Giants losses.
There is no question Barkley is a hugely talented player, but All Things Considered, he's a luxury item for a team that needs basics.
its like putting a $25,000 deluxe 30 speaker audio system in a '72 shitbox Ford Pinto.
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Yeah..my bad
Didn't realize you were talking about the genius callers. People who actually have some credibility gave that no attention.
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Questioning the Barkley pick is beyond asinine.
Any picks this week, Dickie is from Southy?
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Questioning the Barkley pick is beyond asinine.
Any picks this week, Dickie is from Southy?
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Speaking as a fan of a team that passed on Goff and Wentz and Watson, and as someone who wanted his team to draft Barkley, it is not an asinine question, no matter how good Barkley is. The Giants need a franchise Quarterback for the future more than they need a stand out running back. Runn8ng backs do not win championships in the way QBs do. How many championships did Barry Sanders and LaDamien Tomlinson get?
Maybe the Giants will be bad enough to luck into a franchise Quarterback in the next year or so. Or maybe they will panic into reaching for a Quarterback in hopes of nabbing one. But if Darnold or Allen or Rosen become elite Quarterbacks and the Giants struggle to find Manning's successor, that is a legitimate question you will be hearing for years.
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Yeah..my bad
Didn't realize you were talking about the genius callers. People who actually have some credibility gave that no attention.
Sorry koach some people recognized the G-Men needed a complete overhaul, starting with a rebuild of the O-line. Adding a running back, even as good as he is, with the #2 pick, seemed to me like a luxury item for the Giants.
I posted last year there were 2 reasonable choices, draft a new franchise QB or trade the #2 for a basket of picks to start rebuilding the holes on the O and D.
But new management pussied out and kept the Maras and Tisches and the pitchfork carrying folks of Mayberry happy, and avoided the QB controversy that was staring them right n the face, and picked a running back at the #2, and then compounded their stupidity by extending OBJ to a new mega contract.
And the good but simple townfolk of Mayberry were told the G-Men were an offfensive juggernaut now ready to compete for post-season glory.
What they got was a good running back with no O-line to open holes for him, or protect an all but immobile and quickly deteriorating QB, who has no time other than to throw 2 yard check downs, while OBJ heads for the locker-room throwing his teamates under the bus.
G-Men's season is all but over, and one can only hope that new management picked up some Titleists, as thats the only ball that will see any action this post-season by BIG BLUE.
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Questioning the Barkley pick is beyond asinine.
Any picks this week, Dickie is from Southy?
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Speaking as a fan of a team that passed on Goff and Wentz and Watson, and as someone who wanted his team to draft Barkley, it is not an asinine question, no matter how good Barkley is. The Giants need a franchise Quarterback for the future more than they need a stand out running back. Runn8ng backs do not win championships in the way QBs do. How many championships did Barry Sanders and LaDamien Tomlinson get?
Maybe the Giants will be bad enough to luck into a franchise Quarterback in the next year or so. Or maybe they will panic into reaching for a Quarterback in hopes of nabbing one. But if Darnold or Allen or Rosen become elite Quarterbacks and the Giants struggle to find Manning's successor, that is a legitimate question you will be hearing for years.
I know squat about fantasy football, but from what I understand, running backs like Barkley are highly prized in fantasy world, which may explain kid's delusion and his confusing the real world and real football, with his fantasies.
And you, me and more than a few others, have mentioned "Barkley"Sanders in posts.
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looking at the Browns as a pick'em, and Denver +7
have bet the Pats -3
think thats going to be a high-scoring game something like
Pats 38
Chiefs 31
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Cant change it in my pool now but would think Bears will now cover with tannehill out
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"What (Giants) got was a good running back..."
Yeah....nice call
Heh
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"What (Giants) got was a good running back..."
Yeah....nice call
Heh
Giants were 3-13 last year, and are now 1-5.
The Giants are not a good football team. They were not a good football team last year, and have not been a good football team in several years.
It should have been obvious to anyone with a brain they had far greater priorities than using the #2 pick in the draft on a running back if they really wanted to fix the team.
So I understand why that conclusion escaped you.
So its likely, absent readical change and some luck, they will not be a good football team next year.
So yes they got a good running back.
But that's all they got.
Enjoy Barkley in your fantasy play.
Heh
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I bagged my league but my RBs were the Broncs rookie, White and McCaffrey (Bell was also on my autodrafted roster)
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Giants were 3-13 last year, and are now 1-5.
Thanks, google
It should have been obvious to anyone with a brain they had far greater priorities than using the #2 pick in the draft on a running back if they really wanted to fix the team.
Not just any running back
So its likely, absent readical change and some luck, they will not be a good football team next year.
Can't imagine if/when but I am sure you are ready to move the goalposts at any positive glimmer
Enjoy the process
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4-5 into the late games
Oy.
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Giants were 3-13 last year, and are now 1-5.
Thanks, google
It should have been obvious to anyone with a brain they had far greater priorities than using the #2 pick in the draft on a running back if they really wanted to fix the team.
Not just any running back
So its likely, absent readical change and some luck, they will not be a good football team next year.
Can't imagine if/when but I am sure you are ready to move the goalposts at any positive glimmer
Enjoy the process
I never move the goalposts, I don't have to.
I made the argument last year the G-Men had two options with regard to the #2 pick. 1) Identify the new franchise QB in a year where there seemed to be several good choices The Giants rarely draft that high and it seemed like a good time to pick Eli's succesor. 2) The other option was to trade down, and get additional picks to fill the several holes that were apparent. its possible that they could have gotten a good QB and a free high pick or two, for the #2 pick. An additional suggestion was to trade OBJ for maybe a #1 and a 3, or whaterver the market was for an all-pro WR/prima dona. There was a good opportunity for new management to rebuild on an accelerated time frame.
The Giants opted for a different path. There is no question that Barkley is a special talent, but I do not think he will change a bad team, with a declining QB into a post-season team. A path that will lead them deeper into the woods.
And they will get lost.
As i said picking Barkley was like installing a $25,000 audio system in a '72 Pinto.
Happy motoring.
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Niiiice. A perfect game to finish this Sunday
Pats win. Chiefs cover. And the over.
Sox win with Price. All is good.
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great double-header
one of the more memorable nights in Boston sports history
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4-5 into the late games
Oy.
Had this wrong - it was 5-4
Finished 8-6. 12-2 on winners.
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Niiiice. A perfect game to finish this Sunday
Pats win. Chiefs cover. And the over.
Sox win with Price. All is good.
"with Price"
Try "despite Price."
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great double-header
one of the more memorable nights in Boston sports history
Reports of ER visits for cardiac arrests are up.
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great double-header
one of the more memorable nights in Boston sports history
Reports of ER visits for cardiac arrests are up.
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/10/14/red-sox-chris-sale-hospitalized-stomach-illness-alcs/
Visits to the hospital for stomach upset are also up.
#RedSox LHP Chris Sale reported a stomach illness today and was admitted to MGH for observation this afternoon. He will be kept overnight for evaluation and any further updates will be released when available.
He started feeling it after the game, Saturday. While he isn't traveling when the team does to Houston, they've made no determinations of what's going to happen yet.
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Price to Game 5.
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.705 composite this week
13-2 winners
8-7 ATS
10-4 O/U
31-13
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Giants are now in QB hell and cap hell. Eli has one 30 point game in three years! Jets are in QB and cap heaven.
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A few mocks have Giants taking the Oregon QB.
Bank will tell us that combining Barkley and Herbert cannot possibly be better than having drafted Sam Darnold.
heh
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The best argument I think for Barkley remains that he's a once-in-a-generation talent and that the type of talent that was available QB wise comes along every year. The problem with that argument is that you're not always in a position to grab that QB talent and that even if you do, by the time that QB talent is developed and ready (I think QBs, with notable exceptions, take several years to be ready to win and running backs are usually done, with fewer notable exceptions in only a few years), Barkley would likely be on the downside and thus the benefits of having both might not be that great.
I think Herbert is as talented as anybody who came out last year, but he seems several years away from being an NFL QB.
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I think the Giants wont pick #1 - and Herbert may very well be gone.
Who they take is anyone's guess.
Maybe Eli gets pasted and we get to see one of the 2 backups.
Doesnt usually happen though - does it?
JACOBY BRISSETT has been brought up as a guy Giants should look at. I dont disagree.
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Herbert is ranked number one on most draft sites. Giants should go after him. Mara still cannot believe that Eli has any thread left on the tires?
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Eli rates just fine.
I dont think Giants will have the top pick. But we shall see.
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Thursday nighter
Denver -2 at Arizona 41.5
Broncos 24 Cards 19
Sunday morning (London)
LA Chargers -6.5 vs Titans 45
Chargers 24 Titans 20 (Titans side win bet, geniuses)
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A few mocks have Giants taking the Oregon QB.
Bank will tell us that combining Barkley and Herbert cannot possibly be better than having drafted Sam Darnold.
heh
There's no need to misrepresent my opinion, and an opinion that has gained currency as the Giant's season has developed.
So I will repeat what I said last year, the Giants had two good options with the #2 pick
1) draft Eli's successor
2) trade the pick for a package of picks to address a few areas of concern
Again, Barkley is a very talented player, but very few running backs, particulalry in today's pass-centric game, are the centerpiece of a team's offense.
I'll stick to the pimpimg out the '72 Pinto shit-box analogy.
And as I'm not really familiar with Herbert, I'll pass judgement on him.
So kid, play to your strength, and feel free to misrepresent my opinion on him to cover your own inadequacies.
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Its basically what you have concluded.
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Nope I concluded with the #2 pick the Giants had two options, neither of which was buying a $25,000 audio system for a '72 shit-box Pinto.
IMO Barkley was a luxury item that Giants could not afford.
If the Giants end up with another top (1-4) draft pick maybe they should seriously consider the next franchise QB if they think he's there
and then use the next couple of picks (2nd 3rd round) to start rebuilding the O-line, becasue if you stick a rookie QB behind that line and he will get killed.
or if ther next QB is not there consider trade offers to trade down, and use the extra picks to rebuild.
I don't know enough about Herbert to conclude he's the next G-Men franchise savior.
But in the next couple weeks, will start watching more college games and start making observations.
I find that information is the best way to start to form a useful opinion.
I understand thats a concept foreign to you.
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6 games
6 TD
811 yards from scrimmage
5.2 yards per carry
1-5 record
Oh - and no O line.
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I think James Stewart or (insert free agent here) could be doing all that with the reps.
heh
Coolest stat is Barkley has yet to carry 20 times in a game
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6 games
6 TD
811 yards from scrimmage
5.2 yards per carry
1-5 record
Oh - and no O line.
Kid you keep on confusing fantasy scoring with the how the modern NFL game is played.
$25K sound system in a '72 shitbox Pinto.
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Coolest stat is Barkley has yet to carry 20 times in a game
very few losing teams use a running game to get back into games.
Its mostly a time management problem.
Barkley is a very talented RB, but his skills may not be fully untilized in his current situation.
Funny how I've been hearing more and more 2nd guessing on WFAN over the pick.
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Rest of NFL slate
Patriots -3.5 @ Chicago 49.5
Tampa Bay -3 vs Browns 49.5
Lions -1 @ Miami off
Philadelphia -4.5 vs Panthers 45.5
Indianapolis -7.5 vs Bills 43.5
Kansas City -6 vs Bengals 58.5
Vikings -3 @ NY Jets 47
Jacksonville -4.5 vs Texans 42.5
Baltimore -2.5 vs Saints 49.5
Washington -1.5 vs Cowboys 41.5
Rams -10 @ San Francisco 53
Atlanta -6 vs NY Giants 54.5
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Patriots -3.5 @ Chicago 49.5 - Pats 27-19
Tampa Bay -3 vs Browns 49.5 - Bucs 26-20
Lions -1 @ Miami off - Dolphins 20-17
Philadelphia -4.5 vs Panthers 45.5 - Eagles 23-20 (Panthers cover)
Indianapolis -7.5 vs Bills 43.5 - Colts 24-17 (Bills cover)
Kansas City -6 vs Bengals 58.5 - Chiefs 35-28
Vikings -3 @ NY Jets 47 - Jets 24-21
Jacksonville -4.5 vs Texans 42.5 - Jags 24-17
Baltimore -2.5 vs Saints 49.5 - Ravens 30-27
Washington -1.5 vs Cowboys 41.5 - Cowboys 20-17
Rams -10 @ San Francisco 53 - Rams 34-23
Atlanta -6 vs NY Giants 54.5 - Falcons 34-31 (NY covers)
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Patriots cover and the points are well over.
Hope Sony Michel is okay.
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Pats-Bears was one weird game all the way to the final whistle
It looked liked Michel got corkscrewed into Soldier's Field.
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Holy crap, Eagles.
Punt
Td
Punt
Td
Punt
Td
Fumble
Game.
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Late FG and XP misses a killer (Dallas, Baltimore), though it did help somewhat (59 yarder) in TB game
6-6 vs spread here (push on TB/Cle), though I did make one late change for the better in the contest - switching off to Vikes win and cover
O/U were 6-6
ouch.
Need Giants cover and over for positive week.
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"Late change for the "bettor"
I'm sure it was.
heh
Speaking of the Monday Morning QBing and the G-Men
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/sports/eli-manning-giants-future.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/sports/eli-manning-giants-future.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront)
Fans now loudly accuse the Giants’ brain trust of not only bungling this season but ruining the team’s future, too.
At the center of it all is Eli Manning, the beloved quarterback who brought the team its last two championships, winning the Most Valuable Player Award in each Super Bowl, but who is well past his prime.
Ruining the future?
Wow that's harsh.
I took the Giants and the points, (a crazy +5 1/2) as everyone scores on Atlanta's D, should be a high-scoring affair.
But reading that article I may make some "late changes for the "bettor".
I play in an ATS pool and having a very poor season so far, as are most people, from what I can tell.
of 20 players, 2 are over .500, and only one in the money when accounting for vig.
too much uncertainty and too many young QBs who play hot and cold and hot
its good to be the house.
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back door cover
NY/NJ rejoices!
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Wow - talk about your misleading headlines:
Matt shines, Eli struggles........
What?
31-39 for Ryan
27-38 for Eli
10+ yards per attempt for Eli
<10 yards per for Ryan
1 TD/ 0 int for each
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Which guy got more fantasy points?
G-Men left too many guys on base
couldn't get a hit with RISP.
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G-Men trade Eli Apple to Saints for a 4th and 7th.
Tank-a-thon is on in the Big Apple.
Some might wonder if the wrong Eli got traded.
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G-Men trade Eli Apple to Saints for a 4th and 7th.
Tank-a-thon is on in the Big Apple.
Some might wonder if the wrong Eli got traded.
Probably decided to trade the only Eli they could get anything for.
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G-Men trade Eli Apple to Saints for a 4th and 7th.
Tank-a-thon is on in the Big Apple.
Some might wonder if the wrong Eli got traded.
Probably decided to trade the only Eli they could get anything for.
boz whaddayamean?
This is an offense that is built for a long post season run!!!
I'm just thankful the Maras are keeping it together.
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Nice job by Giants getting Apple's value up to at least a respectable level.
Byyyyyye, Annnnnnniee........
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Bleacher Report's got an opinion piece that perhaps the Giants aren't ruining their future, but they are wasting OBJ's career:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2802329-giants-squandering-odell-beckhams-prime-by-refusing-to-address-the-eli-problem?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
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Really? How long you think Beckham will play?
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I don't see him playing very long.
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Apple trade -
Either you feel next year is also a wash - or you feel the replacement can somewhat replicate what E App has given you.
If the former - then the OTHER Eli has to be on the block, since you shouldnt foresee him being an effective QB in 2020-21.
But....
somehow I think its the latter.
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Apple trade -
Either you feel next year is also a wash - or you feel the replacement can somewhat replicate what E App has given you.
If the former - then the OTHER Eli has to be on the block, since you shouldnt foresee him being an effective QB in 2020-21.
But....
somehow I think its the latter.
Eli Manning is an untreadable asset. Not that he is not better than several other Quarterbacks, but the geams.with worse ones would not be interested in Manning.
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Hmmm........
Not so sure
There are teams that are close - and not 100% thrilled with their current QB situation.
Could such a team rework their cap situation to fit Eli in?
Likely there is such as scenario - sure
At issue would be what the Giants demand and if that would then squelch the deal.
But again - if Gettleman thinks Giants can be a playoff team with Eli in 2019-20.......he stays anyway.
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Eli's due $23M next year, then a UFA, so one has to wonder what team trades for an immobile 38 YO QB on the hope they can adequately protect him?
The speculation was the Jville and Coughlin might be a landing spot.
But with the Giants breaking up the D, (Apple, Harrison and who's next?) it seems next years draft might have to be dedicated to Eli's eventual replacement, defense with some O-line FAs added in.
There are a lot of holes on that team.
I'd still dangle OBJ to see what I could get for him.
He's a cancer that I've thought the Giants would be better off without.
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Giants are being more than patient with Odell - but if overwhelmed with an offer, might send him somewhere.
Isnt the first superstar to act the fool when losing, thats for sure.
(They aint all Larry Fitzgeralds, I am sure you know)
I like the DT from HOU in first round next year.
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He's acted like a fool since his one-handed catch.
and he believed the hype.
G-Men, Coughlin in particular, blew it by allowing it to continue, but TC was afraid for his job so he allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Damn shame.
should have traded him before they signed him to a golden anchor.
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".......and he believed the hype"
Not sure what this means.
I will let you retract if you like.
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".......and he believed the hype"
Not sure what this means.
I will let you retract if you like.
I'm perfectly comfortable with what I've posted.
Today and over the past few years, as they are perfectly consistent.
His 1-hadned catch went to his head and he's acted like a spoiled brat prima dona ever since.
I don't think he's worth the bullshit he brings to the Giants.
And more and more I hear more and more Giant fans come to the same conclusion.
the Giants are now attached to him with a golden anchor.
they should have traded him in the off-season.
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You dont just trade a guy like that
Has to be a real bigtime offer.
The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall. Division sure is known to turn over.
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Really? How long you think Beckham will play?
Why the fuck are you asking me?
I shared an article - why don't you ask the writer?!
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You dont just trade a guy like that
Has to be a real bigtime offer.
The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall. Division sure is known to turn over.
Randy Moss says you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
And Terrell Owens is just laughing at your cluelessness.
OBJ has been a a fucking narciscistic distraction for several years.
And you think it will improve if they bring in a roookie QB next year?
HAHAHAHAHA
You're delusional.
That you continue to view the NFL through a fantasy lens is fine, but its a fantasy.
Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.
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Really? How long you think Beckham will play?
Why the fuck are you asking me?
Its an open forum, Pricie.
You never have to answer if you dont wish.
YG gave the idiot response in your place
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Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.
Thanks
I will let them know to dangle Barkley for a first year QB as well
heh
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https://nypost.com/2018/10/24/eli-manning-is-headed-for-bench-its-just-a-matter-of-when/
You can let the Post know, too.
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Did you not do the reading, young lad?
Issue wasnt Eli - and I agree with the Post unless they win next 3.
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Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.
Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.
So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.
Trick or Treat.
And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.
And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.
Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.
HEH
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I think the Giants are going to beat the "really mediocre, but first-place" Redskins this weekend.
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Could be
I see the line is roughly a PK or Skins -1
I'm having a Costanza year, and ready to go for chicken salad on rye, untoasted, with a cup of tea.
IMO a G-Men win would be a band-aid on a pretty deep wound.
So they'll probably win by 3 TDs
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We're basically looking at the 1970's Giants.
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It will be interesting to see the intramarket dynamics evolve if Darnold turns the JETS into a winner, while the Giants flounder to find the next guy.
I'll be counting Darnold v Eli/OBJ jerseys this Halloween.
kind of a leading indicator.
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Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.
Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.
So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.
Trick or Treat.
And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.
And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.
Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.
HEH
I understand you are bitter about the 2 Super Bowls, so this ridiculous rant is of course forgiven.
Gotta lighten up, pal. I dont know if it is the lost titles or your disdain for Utley that has you going.....
Not pretty.
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You dont just trade a guy like that
Has to be a real bigtime offer.
The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall. Division sure is known to turn over.
Randy Moss says you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
And Terrell Owens is just laughing at your cluelessness.
OBJ has been a a fucking narciscistic distraction for several years.
And you think it will improve if they bring in a roookie QB next year?
HAHAHAHAHA
You're delusional.
That you continue to view the NFL through a fantasy lens is fine, but its a fantasy.
Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.
And as I said -
ISSUE WASNT ELI
But Josh thanks you for not allowing him to speak.
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Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.
Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.
So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.
Trick or Treat.
And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.
And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.
Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.
HEH
I understand you are bitter about the 2 Super Bowls, so this ridiculous rant is of course forgiven.
Gotta lighten up, pal. I dont know if it is the lost titles or your disdain for Utley that has you going.....
Not pretty.
It's both.
But mostly losing to Eli TWICE is the driver of the ridiculous commentary bankshot has thrown up here.
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Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.
Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.
So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.
Trick or Treat.
And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.
And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.
Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.
HEH
I understand you are bitter about the 2 Super Bowls, so this ridiculous rant is of course forgiven.
Gotta lighten up, pal. I dont know if it is the lost titles or your disdain for Utley that has you going.....
Not pretty.
Not bitter at all.
Its a game played by others and I'm just a spectator being entertained.
I do find some of the strategic and management elements interesting and enjoy applying my knowlege and relevant experiences, both professional and personal to some of the situations.
I understand you do not understand.
But over time if you pay attentin, you may.
Its was always about Eli.
And whether to stick with him or look for his successor.
You just did not understand it.
Or that Giant management horribly mismanaged the situation.
People, at least most with a functioning brain and a modicum of understanding of the game, are starting to understand how badly they fucked up.
Not to worry, eventually it will dawn on you.
As for Utley, you may notice he follows me around like a lost puppy.
I own the idiot, and have for years.
You want to rent some space in his head?
I totally own that.
Its small and pointy, but its empty, and as you can tell its hardly used.
The views not very good though, as Utley generally has his head up his ass.
You might like it.
Make me a reasonable offer.
heh
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Houston -7.5 covers vs Dolphins
24-14 final
Under 44.5
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You dont just trade a guy like that
Has to be a real bigtime offer.
The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall. Division sure is known to turn over.
Randy Moss says you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
And Terrell Owens is just laughing at your cluelessness.
OBJ has been a a fucking narciscistic distraction for several years.
And you think it will improve if they bring in a roookie QB next year?
HAHAHAHAHA
You're delusional.
That you continue to view the NFL through a fantasy lens is fine, but its a fantasy.
Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.
And as I said -
ISSUE WASNT ELI
But Josh thanks you for not allowing him to speak.
Yes.
You're delusional.
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Houston -7.5 covers vs Dolphins
24-14 final
Under 44.5
The under seems pretty well trampled at this point. The Dolphins are trying hard to preserve their gap so you win on Houston's covering, at least!
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heh
Thanks for keeping me updated...
1-0
1-0
0-1
.667 composite.
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Going with Eagles and the OVER Sunday morning
Philadelphia -3 vs Jacksonville (London)
O/U is 41.5
Eagles 24 Jags 19
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18 of the 20 people in my ATS pool had Houston last night.
I got lucky.
I also have Iggles Sunday morning.
I aspire to achieve the consistency of a fairly flipped coin as that was my goal and expectation of picking full ATS slates.
So far, about 90% of that pool, have fallen short of that goal,.
Its been a tough year.
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Rest of the Sunday/Monday slate:
Pittsburgh -8.5 vs Browns 51
Kansas City -10 vs Broncos 55
Chicago -7 vs Jets 45.5
Redskins -1 @ NY Giants 42
Detroit -3 vs Seahawks 49.5
Cincinnati -4.5 vs Buccaneers 54
Ravens -2 @ Carolina 43.5
Colts -3 @ Oakland 50
Arizona -1 vs 49ers 43
LA Rams -9 vs Packers 57
Minnesota -1 vs Saints 53
Patriots -14 @ Buffalo 44.5
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Pittsburgh -8.5 vs Browns 51 PIT 31-17
Kansas City -10 vs Broncos 55 KC 34-17
Chicago -7 vs Jets 45.5 CHI 27-16
Redskins -1 @ NY Giants 42 NYG 23-21
Detroit -3 vs Seahawks 49.5 SEA 27-24
Cincinnati -4.5 vs Buccaneers 54 CIN 28-24 (Bucs cover)
Ravens -2 @ Carolina 43.5 BAL 20-17
Colts -3 @ Oakland 50 IND 30-24
Arizona -1 vs 49ers 43 SF 24-21
LA Rams -9 vs Packers 57 LAR 31-27 (Pack covers)
Minnesota -1 vs Saints 53 MIN 31-28
Patriots -14 @ Buffalo 44.5 NE 30-17 (Bills cover)
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Going with Eagles and the OVER Sunday morning
Philadelphia -3 vs Jacksonville (London)
O/U is 41.5
Eagles 24 Jags 19
Almost hit the EXACTA
Good Sunday start.
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Eliiiiiiii..... very poor, son. (edit - damn nice play by DB. Eli didnt see it, OBJ looked open)
- By the way, I take Barkley and Beckham with any decent QB. Always in the game with this duo.
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I think the Giants are going to beat the "really mediocre, but first-place" Redskins this weekend.
I bit on that one
Pretty decent looking Skins squad today
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Nobody blocked the QB
OY!
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Do the Giants know Barkley is still in this game?
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7-2 winners
6-3 ATS
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Felt bad for Opie, it looked like he just wanted to go home.
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I think I am ready for a mobile QB.......
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Damn - Arizona with a heartbreaker over SF
Nice job by Couldhavebeenagiant Rosen.
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Gurley kneels and I lose the over - heh
9-3 winners, 8-4 ATS , 4-7 (1 push on o/u)
21-14 composite (.600)
Meh.
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Gurley kneels and I lose the over - heh
9-3 winners, 8-4 ATS , 4-7 (1 push on o/u)
21-14 composite (.600)
Meh.
Screwwing over his fantasy owners to help his team. Where the Fuck are his loyalties?
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I think you need to trade for Kirk Cousins.
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I think you need to trade for Kirk Cousins.
Quarterback is not my problem. My problem is my wide receivers suck balls.
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Thought about adding LeSean McCoy for tonight
Need 3 points to tie, 4 to win - and have James White
Bellechick always finds a way to fuck with fantasy owners. Tonight might be another time - heh
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Thought about adding LeSean McCoy for tonight
Need 3 points to tie, 4 to win - and have James White
Bellechick always finds a way to fuck with fantasy owners. Tonight might be another time - heh
Maybe he can have White TAKE A FUCKING KNEE ON THE WAY TO SIX POINTS.
Fortunately, my suck balls wide receivers made those points irrelevant for me.
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Browns fire Jackson as HC.
Hue's next?
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Browns fire Jackson as HC.
Hue's next?
I suspect Tito is safe. For the record my Lincoln Riley post on CFB came several hours before that news broke.
The Browns are a poorly coached team. Penalties and lack of preparation.
True interesting fact: six straight Browns head coaches have been fired the week after the second Steelers game. Mostly, that has been because it is usually the last game of the year.
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OC Haley too.
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OC Haley too.
They fired Halley too?
Watching Hard Knocks" it was hard to ignore there seemed to be 2 HCs in competition with each other.
the fat O-line coach who drove the Ferrari should be considered.
Any fat guy who can get into and out of a Ferrari should be of value in any tight situation.
or maybe Sonny Weaver can be an interim guy. Coaching is in his blood.
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Nice late cover by Pats
Ouch
10-4 winners
8-6 ATS
4-9 O/U
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ugly game last night but
AWINZAWIN
Pats missed Sony and Gronk looked stiff
and Commander Brady and his lost Patriot O-men looked lost in the red zone
and got bailed out by Ghost and a pick-6
Bills played tough with no QB
next week might be different for Pats.
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Opie's job may be safe, at least for the next week or so.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25127955/new-york-giants-qb-kyle-lauletta-arrested-traffic-violation (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25127955/new-york-giants-qb-kyle-lauletta-arrested-traffic-violation)
Lauletta was trying to make a right turn from the wrong lane in his Jaguar to get to Route 495 West, according to a statement by the Weehawken Police Department. He was told to keep going straight, but Lauletta almost struck an officer while making the illegal turn and then "refused various instructions" after he was stopped by another officer at the end of the on-ramp.
He was charged with eluding police, obstructing administration of law, resisting arrest, reckless driving, disregarding an officer's directions, improper turn in a marked traffic lane and failure to remain in a marked lane.
Police also said the same car was involved in a "similar incident" at the same location Monday, and a summons was issued by mail after the car owned by Lauletta had not stopped and left the scene.
Seems Barney Fife wrote him up.
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Thursday night clash
San Francisco (-3) 27 Raiders 21 OVER 47
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It will be interesting to see the intramarket dynamics evolve if Darnold turns the JETS into a winner, while the Giants flounder to find the next guy.
I'll be counting Darnold v Eli/OBJ jerseys this Halloween.
kind of a leading indicator.
Halloween recap: Darnold v Eli 3-1
I felt sorry for Opie I told him I wished instead of a candy bar I could give him an O-line.
His dad snickered.
heh
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speaking of QB competition, good one on Sunday night when Rodgers comes to Foxboro for the first time to face-off against Brady.
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Thursday night clash
San Francisco (-3) 27 Raiders 21 OVER 47
Dang
I would be real good without these over/unders
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NFL lines for Sunday 11/4
Minnesota -5.5 vs Detroit (50.5)
Kansas City -8.5 at Cleveland (52)
Baltimore -3 vs Pittsburgh (47)
Carolina -6.5 vs Tampa Bay (54)
Miami -3 vs NY Jets (45)
Washington -1.5 vs Atlanta (47.5)
Chicago -9 at Buffalo (37)
Denver -2.5 vs Houston (46.5)
Seattle -1.5 vs LA Chargers (48)
New Orleans -1 vs LA Rams (60)
New England -6 vs Green Bay (56.5)
Dallas -6.5 vs Tennessee (41)
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Minnesota -5.5 vs Detroit (50.5) Vikes 30-24
Kansas City -8.5 at Cleveland (52) Chiefs 35-28 (CLE covers)
Baltimore -3 vs Pittsburgh (47) Steelers 21-17
Carolina -6.5 vs Tampa Bay (54) Panthers 31-21
Miami -3 vs NY Jets (45) Dolphins 24-17
Washington -1.5 vs Atlanta (47.5) Falcons 28-25
Chicago -9 at Buffalo (37) Bears 24-10
Denver -2.5 vs Houston (46.5) Texans 24-21
Seattle -1.5 vs LA Chargers (48) Seahawks 27-24
New Orleans -1 vs LA Rams (60) Saints 33-29
New England -6 vs Green Bay (56.5) Packers 37-31
Dallas -6.5 vs Tennessee (41) Cowboys 21-17 (Titans cover)
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Anyone playing?
Nah.....didnt think so.
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Nice half for Darnold
Just audible to a handoff, son.
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OMG
Eli Apple is the absolute worst first round DB I have ever seen.
Check out the penalty he gets in the end zone....
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OMG
Eli Apple is the absolute worst first round DB I have ever seen.
Check out the penalty he gets in the end zone....
Justin Gilbert.
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I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............
10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.
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I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............
10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.
(Over/Under? Why would we mention that?!)
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Think I got at least 4 on the O/U
White scored already? Nice. Good player.
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Josh Gordon and Corderelle Patterson came up big tonight.
Gordon is a monster on slants.
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I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............
10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.
You got the Patriots' score on the nose...
Sure, you missed the winner, the spread, and the O/U, so, yeah, jinxed.
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Josh Gordon and Corderelle Patterson came up big tonight.
Gordon is a monster on slants.
Gordon is probably the most talented deep threat the Pats have had since Randy Moss. If he can keep his life together.
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Josh Gordon and Corderelle Patterson came up big tonight.
Gordon is a monster on slants.
Gordon is probably the most talented deep threat the Pats have had since Randy Moss. If he can keep his life together.
Probably. BB doesn't invest a lot of original capital in WR, and when he does he misses or gets unlucky.
Gordon's got great hands, as it seems if he's got a hold of something, he's got it. Or he's got OBJ's glove, or Rice's "stick'em".
He had his best game as a Pat last night.
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I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............
10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.
You got the Patriots' score on the nose...
Sure, you missed the winner, the spread, and the O/U, so, yeah, jinxed.
Yep - the forced fumble was the killer at 17-all.
And turns out we were 6-6 on the O/U - the usual mediocrity.
Onward with Titans to cover. Last 2 weeks have not been kind on Sunday/Monday
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Momentum seemed to be going all one way for the Pack in the 3rd qtr.
they tied the game, the Pats got stage fright at the goal line,
RUN THE FUCKING BALL
and after a couple of punts-the Pack seemed to put together a go ahead drive.
They fumbled,
Josh goes deep into the play book
Pack cracks
Game over
a couplke of punts and then the Pack
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Whisk knows the Gordon TD wasnt a bomb, right?
Brady showed great patience with Gordon, I thought.
Needs the guy, after all.
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Whisk knows the Gordon TD wasnt a bomb, right?
Brady showed great patience with Gordon, I thought.
Needs the guy, after all.
He needs someone to throw to, and the guy knows how to catch.
What do yuo mean by patience?
Teaching, spending time with a new team mate into a new system?
Gordon (to me) has made a solid and growing contribution over the past few weeks.
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Turns out it wasnt patience. Play was for Edelman and TB just happened to see Gordon
But I was alluding to the slip and fall in the end zone.
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Thursday nighter week 10
Steelers -4 vs Panthers (in Pittsburgh)
O/U is 51.5
The pick is
Steelers and the over
31-24 final
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Thursday nighter week 10
Steelers -4 vs Panthers (in Pittsburgh)
O/U is 51.5
The pick is
Steelers and the over
31-24 final
Is Brown playing tonight?!
I'll pick the Panthers against the spread. And the under. 27-24, Steelers.
Demonstrating, again, my acumen for football progonstication!
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The Dez Era as a Saint may be over before it starts.
Rumored torn Achilles tendon at practice today.
If confirmed by MRI, there'll be no marchin' in for Dez for about 8 months.
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Today's odds
Ny Jets -7.5 vs Bills 37
Falcons -4 @ Browns 51
Saints -4.5 @ Bengals 54
Buccaneers -2.5 vs Redskins 51.5
Patriots -7 @ Titans 46.5
Packers -9 vs Dolphins 47.5
Colts -3 vs Jaguars 47
Bears -6.5 vs Lions 45
Chiefs -16.5 vs Cardinals 50
Chargers -9.5 @ Oakland 50.5
Rams -10 vs Seahawks 51.5
Eagles -6 vs Cowboys 43.5
49ers -3 vs Giants 43.5
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Today's odds
Ny Jets -7.5 vs Bills 37 Jets 24-14
Falcons -4 @ Browns 51 Falcons 31-24
Saints -4.5 @ Bengals 54 Saints 30-27 (Bengals cover)
Buccaneers -2.5 vs Redskins 51.5 Skins 24-21
Patriots -7 @ Titans 46.5 Patriots 27-17
Packers -9 vs Dolphins 47.5 Packers 30-17
Colts -3 vs Jaguars 47 Colts 27-21
Bears -6.5 vs Lions 45 Bears 23-20 (Lions cover)
Chiefs -16.5 vs Cardinals 50 Chiefs 40-17
Chargers -9.5 @ Oakland 50.5 Chargers 27-19
Rams -10 vs Seahawks 51.5 Rams 31-23 (SEA covers)
Eagles -6 vs Cowboys 43.5 Eagles 29-17
49ers -3 vs Giants 43.5 Niners 24-20
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First visit to FAN DUEL Sports Betting the other night
Reinforced that I need to stay away - heh
Won my Steelers bets but gave it all back on silly stuff.
(Should have bets - TD by Smith Schuster was a +550 and by Steelers D/ST a pretty good number as well.
Celts and Rockets let me down - 2 cold teams on the road - brilliant)
Nice place though
If I go with just a hundy and 20 bucks for a few beers I will be fine.
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No idea what's up with the rest of your games, Kiid, but it looks like your Falcons and Patriots predictions are at least partially off.
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Titans thoroughly whipped the Pats from kick-off top final whistle
They haven't had their ass kicked like that in a long time.
F'ugly.
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Whew what a week
Somehow got out of that at 9-3, 4-7-1
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I think that without even a moderately healthy Gronkowski, the Pats have little chance this season.
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I think that's true.
But with or w/o Gronk they haven't looked or really played like a SB-contending team so far.
Today they were terrible and a party-bus full of healthy Gronks may not have made a difference.
The bye week is coming at a good time.
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How bad are the Jets
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We will find out as soon as a real coach comes in
But usually a rookie qb and no stud offensive skill players doesn't portend greatness
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
https://youtu.be/FzVe7pO4pz0
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
https://youtu.be/FzVe7pO4pz0
Go Greyhound and leave the driving to us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjliVll3Uyw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjliVll3Uyw)
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!
Those SC quarterbacks are known for their skills once they reach the NFL 😄
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!
Shady can still play when it gets blocked
McCown should be ashamed. Just wasn't ready.
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!
Shady can still play when it gets blocked
McCown should be ashamed. Just wasn't ready.
Alternatively, he remains McCown.
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Eli, Barkley rip Niners.
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Eli, Barkley rip Niners.
More, nip Niners.
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NFL bails out on Mexico City
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/11/13/rams-chiefs-moved-because-poor-conditions-mexico/6hgT4TNpnGpOOZ4uMKKF8K/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/11/13/rams-chiefs-moved-because-poor-conditions-mexico/6hgT4TNpnGpOOZ4uMKKF8K/story.html)
LOS ANGELES — The NFL moved the Rams’ Monday night showdown with the Kansas City Chiefs from Mexico City to Los Angeles on Tuesday due to the poor condition of the field at Azteca Stadium.
The league announced the extraordinary decision six days before one of the most-anticipated regular-season games of the year.
In a news release, the league said it determined that the recently re-sodded field at Mexico City’s historic stadium ‘‘does not meet NFL standards for playability and consistency, and will not meet those standards by next Monday.’’
I remember the good old days when Mexican grass was the gold standard of grass, but I'm not sure it was ever a good idea to play football on Mexican grass. Maybe ultimate frisbee, but certainly not football.
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Thursday nighter
Seattle -2.5 vs Green Bay O/U 49
Pick is Pack and the over
27-24 Green Bay
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NFL line for Sunday
(home team has name of state/city)
11/18 1:00 ET Panthers -4 Detroit 51
11/18 1:00 ET Atlanta -3 Cowboys 48
11/18 1:00 ET Baltimore -4 Bengals Off
11/18 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2 Titans 48
11/18 1:00 ET Texans -3 Washington 42.5
11/18 1:00 ET NY Giants -1 Buccaneers 52
11/18 1:00 ET Steelers -5.5 Jacksonville 47.5
11/18 4:05 ET LA Chargers -7 Broncos 46.5
11/18 4:05 ET Arizona -4 Raiders 40.5
11/18 4:25 ET New Orleans -8 Eagles 55
11/18 8:20 ET Chicago -3 Vikings 45.5
11/19 8:15 ET LA Rams -2.5 Chiefs 62.5
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2 real bets tomorrow
Parlay - Giants-Bucs over 52.5 with Eagles-Saints over 56
Parlay moneyline wins - Steelers, Falcons, Saints
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NFL line for Sunday
(home team has name of state/city)
11/18 1:00 ET Panthers -4 Detroit 51 27-21 Panthers
11/18 1:00 ET Atlanta -3 Cowboys 48 27-19 ATL
11/18 1:00 ET Baltimore -4 Bengals Off 24-21 Bengals
11/18 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2 Titans 48 27-24 Colts
11/18 1:00 ET Texans -3 Washington 42.5 22-19 Skins
11/18 1:00 ET NY Giants -1 Buccaneers 52 30 -27 Giants
11/18 1:00 ET Steelers -5.5 Jacksonville 47.5 27-17 Steelers
11/18 4:05 ET LA Chargers -7 Broncos 46.5 28-17 Chargers
11/18 4:05 ET Arizona -4 Raiders 40.5 20-14 AZ
11/18 4:25 ET New Orleans -8 Eagles 55 38-27 Saints
11/18 8:20 ET Chicago -3 Vikings 45.5 23-21 Bears
11/19 8:15 ET LA Rams -2.5 Chiefs 62.5 34-31 Chiefs
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Quit spamming the Board.
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Browns considering Condi Rice for HC
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job)
Browns general manager John Dorsey said last week that he was open to hiring a woman as Cleveland's next head coach, and one prominent name is on the team's wish list to interview.
The Browns would like to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for their head-coaching job, a league source tells ESPN.
I have a hard time seein this, and Im guessing this is mostly PR, but she's an interesting candidate.
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Browns considering Condi Rice for HC
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job)
Browns general manager John Dorsey said last week that he was open to hiring a woman as Cleveland's next head coach, and one prominent name is on the team's wish list to interview.
The Browns would like to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for their head-coaching job, a league source tells ESPN.
I have a hard time seein this, and Im guessing this is mostly PR, but she's an interesting candidate.
Haslam got the idea from some homeless guy.
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Browns considering Condi Rice for HC
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job)
Browns general manager John Dorsey said last week that he was open to hiring a woman as Cleveland's next head coach, and one prominent name is on the team's wish list to interview.
The Browns would like to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for their head-coaching job, a league source tells ESPN.
I have a hard time seein this, and Im guessing this is mostly PR, but she's an interesting candidate.
Haslam got the idea from some homeless guy.
Rumor has it she wants Cheney as OC and Rumsfeld as DC. and Dubya to run very special teams.
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Heh
This day is not to be believed
Good job Pitt and NY
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Somehow got out 5-6-1 vs the number.
But just 5 of 12 game winners.
Wow.
Fun day. In all, including Thursday, 10 of 12 decided by 5 points or less.
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Quit spamming the Board.
Public service
But my bad. Guy like you would much rather read about some chick politician coaching a storied NFL franchise
Heh
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Looks like 6-4-1 on o/u
Chance at composite of 19-17 overall with Chiefs win and over.
Cmon YG. Play along next week. Bank will promise not to make too many counting errors on your totals.
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Tell ya what .... Friendly wagering.
Weeks 12-17
3 of us. Winner gets t-shirt and hat of choice from the 2 losers (1 each)
Lets do this.
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I don't gamble. Sorry.
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Quit spamming the Board.
Public service
But my bad. Guy like you would much rather read about some chick politician coaching a storied NFL franchise
Heh
Guy like [ME]!!!!
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Looks like 6-4-1 on o/u
Chance at composite of 19-17 overall with Chiefs win and over.
Cmon YG. Play along next week. Bank will promise not to make too many counting errors on your totals.
kid are you still still upset years after I called you out for past-posting your picks?
You should get over it.
You were caught cheating.
And then acted childish about it.
And you still are.
kid likes to play by his own rules and touting only his "wins".
But as most understand he still loses.
SSDD
And as kid knows, I've always given an honest count to everyone in the contests I've administered.
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kid just scroll on past this.
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/browns-condoleezza-rice-head-coach-job-search-female-woman-nfl-news-replace-hue-jackson/v37h0si91u871pkk9sd95tsay (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/browns-condoleezza-rice-head-coach-job-search-female-woman-nfl-news-replace-hue-jackson/v37h0si91u871pkk9sd95tsay)
Browns out on Condi.
her 15 minutes are up.
The Browns released a statement Sunday denying rumors that the team wants to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for the head coaching position.
"Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is a great leader, possesses the highest possible character and also happens to be a Browns fan," general manager John Dorsey said in a statement. "I have the utmost respect and admiration for all she's accomplished and was honored to meet her earlier this season.
"Our coaching search will be thorough and deliberate, but we are still in the process of composing the list of candidates and Secretary Rice has not been discussed.
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I think there was never anything to those reports. While I would not put it past Haslam, no way Dorsey would do that.
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I think there was never anything to those reports. While I would not put it past Haslam, no way Dorsey would do that.
It seemed far-fetched, but someone sent up smoke signals.
speaking of which, I heard that in the event Tito retires, the Cleveland Indians have serious interest in Sen. Elizabeth Warren.
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Having Cam Erving try to block Aaron Donald is a great way to get your quarterback killed.
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Good lord.
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you praying for divine intervention?
crazy game.
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Holy shit Rams adopt Andy Reid level stupid clock management.
Even Andy thinks so.
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that game was nuts
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I am exhausted.
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week 12 line Turkey Day
Bears -4 @ Detroit 45
Dallas -7.5 vs Redskins 40.5
New Orleans -13 vs Falcons 60
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Taking the home teams. Only OVER is Dallas/Skins
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That Boys/Birds line looks suspiciously high.
I like the ATL, but Vegas is telling you that’s the wrong side.
Love the Bears.
Safe and happy thanksgiving to all!!
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Well.....some news
Trubisky is a little iffy ....that line is down to 3 or 3.5 now.
And I am sure you heard Skins are minus their qb. That line started at 9.
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That's what the NFL has to offer. Tackling is no longer allowed.
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That’s all you got??
It’s football, and of course they are going to protect players but they still get hurt.
The targeting rule in college is 95% effective in enforcement.
It may not be a disincentive but what else are you going to do??
Vote with your eyeballs utley, you gutless punk.
TURN. THE. TELEVISION. OFF.
You just got SMOKED.
TURKEY.
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You may want to go back for sweet potato...
BECAUSE YOU’VE
BEEN
SERVED
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That’s all you got??
It’s football, and of course they are going to protect players but they still get hurt.
The targeting rule in college is 95% effective in enforcement.
It may not be a disincentive but what else are you going to do??
Vote with your eyeballs utley, you gutless punk.
TURN. THE. TELEVISION. OFF.
You just got SMOKED.
TURKEY.
Don't drink and post. Johnny Walker ain't your friend.
Nor is Wild Turkey, Gamecocksucker.
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I don’t drink at 11AM you fu<king fruitcake.
If you don’t cut out the REGIONAL BIGOTRY you will be summarily reported to SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS for an expedient dispatching.
If you want to be one of those CRYING FOOTBALL BITCH WHINERS, take it to another spot co<kbreath.
This is a FORUM of MEN.
If you can’t GARGLE enough SCOPE to get the taste of nutsack off you tonsils, back away from the TV and computer.
Please don’t squat and piss here anymore you fucking pansy.
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I don’t drink at 11AM you fu<king fruitcake.
If you don’t cut out the REGIONAL BIGOTRY you will be summarily reported to SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS for an expedient dispatching.
If you want to be one of those CRYING FOOTBALL BITCH WHINERS, take it to another spot co<kbreath.
This is a FORUM of MEN.
If you can’t GARGLE enough SCOPE to get the taste of nutsack off you tonsils, back away from the TV and computer.
Please don’t squat and piss here anymore you fucking pansy.
Have another pickleback, dope.
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Top picks today
Steelers -3 at Denver
Carolina -3.5 home to Seahawks
Baltimore -11 home to Raiders
The rest
Giants +6
Jags -3
Niners +3.5
Bengals -3
Jets +9.5
Colts -9
Chargers -12
Packers +3.5
Titans +6
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Bengals pick not looking too good. In related news, I picked the right week to start Baker Mayfield in fantasy.
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Kearse drops the cover TD
Some of these pros really suck balls
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Heh.
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Top picks today
Steelers -3 at Denver
Carolina -3.5 home to Seahawks
Baltimore -11 home to Raiders
The rest
Giants +6
Jags -3
Niners +3.5
Bengals -3
Jets +9.5
Colts -9
Chargers -12
Packers +3.5
Titans +6
Not a great day, so far.
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BUTLER!
heh
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Top picks today
Steelers -3 at Denver
Carolina -3.5 home to Seahawks
Baltimore -11 home to Raiders
The rest
Giants +6
Jags -3
Niners +3.5
Bengals -3
Jets +9.5
Colts -9
Chargers -12
Packers +3.5
Titans +6
Not a great day, so far.
Very bad
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terrible throw by Bennie
that was a pretty good game
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Only solace is possibly getting to 7-5 in fantasy with any type decent game from Cousins.
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had my best week in what has been a tough year
10-3 ATS going into tonight.
Vikes -3
with a little luck I will achieve the consistency of a fairly flipped coin.
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I bailed on SNF at the the end of 3rd qtr. I was footballed out and it seemed Pack had packed it in.
Heard this fascinating and hard to beleive stat/record this AM
Rodgers is 0-for-37 when trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th qtr to teams with winning records.
don't know if its true but here's a similar cite from Jan '17,
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217 (https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217)
when the # was 0-for-35.
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Thursday line
Saints -7 @ DALLAS o/u 53
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I think Dallas can move the ball on Saints.......
With the 7........
Hmmm.......
Tough one.
Gonna stay with the hot NO squad.
34-24.
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I bailed on SNF at the the end of 3rd qtr. I was footballed out and it seemed Pack had packed it in.
Heard this fascinating and hard to beleive stat/record this AM
Rodgers is 0-for-37 when trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th qtr to teams with winning records.
don't know if its true but here's a similar cite from Jan '17,
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217 (https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217)
when the # was 0-for-35.
That would make the "Rodgers is the greatest active QB!" argument a lot harder to make, I imagine, even without Brady and the Falcons in the Super Bowl.
This was supposed to go up a few days ago. Oh, well.
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I bailed on SNF at the the end of 3rd qtr. I was footballed out and it seemed Pack had packed it in.
Heard this fascinating and hard to beleive stat/record this AM
Rodgers is 0-for-37 when trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th qtr to teams with winning records.
don't know if its true but here's a similar cite from Jan '17,
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217 (https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217)
when the # was 0-for-35.
That would make the "Rodgers is the greatest active QB!" argument a lot harder to make, I imagine, even without Brady and the Falcons in the Super Bowl.
This was supposed to go up a few days ago. Oh, well.
the 0-for-37 stat seems almost impossible for a QB as talented as Rodgers, but the sample size is pretty big.
Brees had his shot at it tonight, and I was pretty certain he was going to pull off the CFBW, but...
was one of two who had Big D in my ATS pool
good start to the week
.500 is getting closer
heh
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Sunday picks
Steelers -3.5 over 51.5
Colts -4 over 47.5
Panthers -3.5 over 56.5
Ravens -1.5 under 49
Houston -6 under 47.5
Bills +5.5 (MIA wins) under 40
Giants +4.5 (CHI wins) over 45
Broncos -4 under 42.5
Rams -10 over 54.5
Packers -14 under 44.5
Chiefs -15 under 55.5
Jets +9.5 (TEN wins) over 40.5
New England -6 over 48.5
Niners +10 (SEA wins) over 46
Eagles -6.5 under 44.5
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Kirk Cousins says, "Not so fast" after Zimmer correctly challenges From I spot and Pats simply don't get half a yard.
Good coaching.
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Chance to be 10-3 vs spread, though San Fran not looking great right now
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Wow - can't make this Jets shit up
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Freakin ridiculous non call on Chargers TD
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Pittsburgh totally outcoached second straight week
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Can we even finish 9-6-1 now? And if we do is it enough to win division?
Another zebra getting fired. But conversation needs to start on Tomlin.
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I am sad for Colt McCoy.
One wonders what Mark Sanchez will bring to the show.
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I am sad for Colt McCoy.
One wonders what Mark Sanchez will bring to the show.
Mark Sanchez is a starter in the NFL. Colin Kaepernick remains unemployed.
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I am sad for Colt McCoy.
One wonders what Mark Sanchez will bring to the show.
Mark Sanchez is a starter in the NFL. Colin Kaepernick remains unemployed.
Well, sure.
I mean, so what if Kaepernick has thrown a touchdown more recently than Sanchez. Okay, 16 of them.
And yeah, Sanchez has more interceptions in his last 9 games (partial and otherwise) than Kaepernick in his last 11.
But just because you could add Sanchez's last 3 years of QBR and they would not add up to Kaepernick's last one is no reason to hold things against him!
After all, "2/4 After losing their top two quarterbacks to injury, the Redskins are in the market for another signal caller. The Redskins will once again audition E.J. Manuel, T.J. Yates, Josh Johnson, and others," according to NFL Rumors.
Round up the usual suspects!
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Not worth the circus.
Who complaied when Bonds wasn't signed?
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21-13 Tennessee
Jags getting 4.5. Over under is 37.5
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OBJ out vs Skins
Too bad. But Shepherd will come up big.
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The LINE
NFL Lines For Week 14
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
(home team has state/city name used)
12/6 8:20 ET Tennessee -4.5 Jaguars 37.5
12/9 1:00 ET Kansas City -7.5 Ravens 53
12/9 1:00 ET Houston -4.5 Colts 49
12/9 1:00 ET Panthers -1 Cleveland 47
12/9 1:00 ET Green Bay -6 Falcons 48.5
12/9 1:00 ET Saints -8 Tampa Bay 57
12/9 1:00 ET Buffalo -3.5 Jets 38.5
12/9 1:00 ET Patriots -8 Miami 47
12/9 1:00 ET Washington -1.5 Giants 42.5
12/9 4:05 ET Broncos -6 San Francisco 43.5
12/9 4:05 ET LA Chargers -14 Bengals 47.5
12/9 4:25 ET Lions -2.5 Arizona 40.5
12/9 4:25 ET Dallas -4 Eagles 43
12/9 4:25 ET Steelers -11 Oakland 51.5
12/9 8:20 ET Rams -3 Chicago 42
12/10 8:35 ET Seattle -3.5 Vikings 45
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12/6 8:20 ET Tennessee -4.5 Jaguars 37.5 Titans 21-13
12/9 1:00 ET Kansas City -7.5 Ravens 53 Chiefs 34-24
12/9 1:00 ET Houston -4.5 Colts 49 HOU 30-24
12/9 1:00 ET Panthers -1 Cleveland 47 CLE 23-21
12/9 1:00 ET Green Bay -6 Falcons 48.5 Green Bay 28-20
12/9 1:00 ET Saints -8 Tampa Bay 57 Saints 35-28
12/9 1:00 ET Buffalo -3.5 Jets 38.5 Bills 21-16
12/9 1:00 ET Patriots -8 Miami 47 Pats 31-20
12/9 1:00 ET Washington -1.5 Giants 42.5 Skins 24-20
12/9 4:05 ET Broncos -6 San Francisco 43.5 Broncos 24-17
12/9 4:05 ET LA Chargers -14 Bengals 47.5 Chargers 27-17
12/9 4:25 ET Lions -2.5 Arizona 40.5 Cards 20-17
12/9 4:25 ET Dallas -4 Eagles 43 Cowboys 24-17
12/9 4:25 ET Steelers -11 Oakland 51.5 Steelers 31-16
12/9 8:20 ET Rams -3 Chicago 42 Bears 24-21
12/10 8:35 ET Seattle -3.5 Vikings 45 Seahawks 26-23
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Dann
Didn't play Giants D in fantasy
Freakin Eagles game.....Giants could be looking at 6-7.
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Eli playing well
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Barkley!!!
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Dann
Didn't play Giants D in fantasy
Freakin Eagles game.....Giants could be looking at 6-7.
F'ing Panthers game too.
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Once again: Mark Sanchez is a starting NFL quarterback. Colin Kaepernick remains unemployed.
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CK would be getting his ass kicked today just the same.
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Giants D getting about 30 fantasy points today. Hope it doesn't cost me.
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f'ing Stanford Band play
F'ugly loss
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Wait, what. The. Hell?
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Dolphins with best win of the year!!!
Ravens got Mahomed.
Voodoo Saquonomics in DC.
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The Patriots have to be the only New Englanders who don't enjoy a trip to Miami in December
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Nobody in the AFC is any fuc king good
Should be Pats again in SB
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Agreed. I think Chargers are biggest threat but need Gordon.
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New video of Miami miracle: https://mobile.twitter.com/Benstonium/status/1072143903262953472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1072143903262953472&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamiherald.com%2Fsports%2Fnfl%2Fmiami-dolphins%2Farticle222899360.html (https://mobile.twitter.com/Benstonium/status/1072143903262953472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1072143903262953472&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamiherald.com%2Fsports%2Fnfl%2Fmiami-dolphins%2Farticle222899360.html)
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looking forward to Chargers @ Chiefs tonight, but this game should really be played Sunday afternoon at 4:25pm
in 1967
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I expect Otis Taylor to have a huge game.
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and don't forget Fred Arbanas!
And Lance Alworth is always all but unstoppable!
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Hadl v Dawson
Little vs Little Train
Otis T vs Lance.
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Exactly.
just took a look and was surprised to see Hadl is not a HoF QB.
He was one of the early AFL bombers that made the new league fun to watch
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I expect Otis Taylor to have a huge game.
Is Fred "The Hammer" Williamson playing? Or is he still broken?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9gbDdp8FL8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9gbDdp8FL8)
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Thursday line
KC -3.5 vs Chargers
O\u is 53
The pick is 34-28 Chiefs
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Hadl had himself a helluva night.
Great CFBRW by the Chargers
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Saturday lines
Texans -6 @ NY Jets 41.5
Denver -8.5 vs Browns 46.5
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Last 2 Chargers wins absolutely sick
Do I give credit to the fine LAC coach for going for 2?
No. He's an idiot. No trust of QB
/defense or realization of momentum
Was lucky. Team going nowhere.
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Saturday lines
Texans -6 @ NY Jets 41.5
Denver -8.5 vs Browns 46.5
Texans 21 Jets 13
Broncos 24 Browns 21
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Kid
I haven't seen anything close to Broncos -8 1/2
line opened -4 yesterday it was 2 1/2 , -3
now at -1 1/2
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Last 2 Chargers wins absolutely sick
Do I give credit to the fine LAC coach for going for 2?
No. He's an idiot. No trust of QB
/defense or realization of momentum
Was lucky. Team going nowhere.
I think some luck goes a long way.
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Fucking Texans....
There went the under...
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Heh
Somehow I get 2/3 of it.
Go Browns D.
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C'mon Mayfield
Still making occasional dumbass mistake.
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Maybe you figure out another way to increase your income.
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Kid
I haven't seen anything close to Broncos -8 1/2
line opened -4 yesterday it was 2 1/2 , -3
now at -1 1/2
I know. Funny I got 8.5. Made it easy.
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Oy -
1-2 winners
2-1 vs spread
2-1 o/u
Broncs coach the stinkin genius
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Kid
I haven't seen anything close to Broncos -8 1/2
line opened -4 yesterday it was 2 1/2 , -3
now at -1 1/2
I know. Funny I got 8.5. Made it easy.
I had the Browns and +3.
It was easier than finding an impossible line
and not knowing it was an impossible line
yankguy was right, you should listen to him.
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WTF are u talking about? I used the line I was given.
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"I had the Browns +3"
So did Vance Joseph.
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WTF are u talking about? I used the line I was given.
That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,
Ho-ho-heh
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Picks
Giants -2.5 over 43.5
Jags -7 over 36
Cardinals +9 over 44
49ers +5.5 under 44
Vikes -7 under 43
Raiders +3 under 46.5
Eagles +9 over 41
Saints -6.5 over 52
Bills -2.5 under 44.5
Cowboys +2 over 41.5
Bears -5.5 under 45
Steelers +1 under 52
Bucs +8 over 46.5
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WTF are u talking about? I used the line I was given.
That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,
Ho-ho-heh
Everyone in the contest had the same line. Won with the +4 anyway. Just didn't have the game winner.
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WTF are u talking about? I used the line I was given.
That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,
Ho-ho-heh
Everyone in the contest had the same line. Won with the +4 anyway. Just didn't have the game winner.
that 4 point line was available for about 1/2 hour last Sunday night to sharps betting huge to help set the lines for the public
that line soon became 2 1/2, 3, until it went to 1 1/2 yesterday.
your 8 1/2 point line only existed in your pool and imagination.
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WTF are u talking about? I used the line I was given.
That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,
Ho-ho-heh
Everyone in the contest had the same line. Won with the +4 anyway. Just didn't have the game winner.
that 4 point line was available for about 1/2 hour last Sunday night to sharps betting huge to help set the lines for the public
that line soon became 2 1/2, 3, until it went to 1 1/2 yesterday.
your 8 1/2 point line only existed in your pool and imagination.
In the pool. Yep. Must have been a misprint
Nice win with the +3. Browns playing good ball for Robinson. And Mayfield appears to have been an ok pick.
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Robinson?
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need a terrible towel or one more flag to wipe up that Nantzgasm
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Yeah, baby!!!!
NE went away from White. No idea why.
Stephen A has his monologue (Tomlin)
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they went away from White 2 weeks ago when Burkhead came back
ther offense was brutal today
can't remember so many pre-snap penalties or holding calls
it killed any potential momentum
tack on a few dropped passes...
Pats pretty much sucked today
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The last drive. He was in. All set. But Tommy went to his white (non White) boys.
Heh.
Fuck Burkhead.
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How 'bout dem Colts!
Ha!
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How bout them Steelers?
May be different in Foxboro, I know.
Still beats being just a game ahead of the Brownies, as the danger was.
Heh. Love that (hate that) Tomlin.
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That we are even worthy a mention in week 15 makes me think, "Wait 'til next year" without a heavily ironic undercurrent for the first time since Bernie Kosar was starting.
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That we are even worthy a mention in week 15 makes me think, "Wait 'til next year" without a heavily ironic undercurrent for the first time since Bernie Kosar was starting.
2 very nice skill players....
And I like .....Robinson.....ahem.....Williams.
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Semifinal lineup in fantasy:
(Thanks, McCaffrey and Saints D for at least showing up - heh)
Qb - 11
Rb 1 - 19
Rb 2- 3
Wr1 - 0
Wr2 - 2
Te - 3
W/R/T - 1
K - 0
D - 12
Loss - 46 points
But battle for third does look for week 16.
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Well, that was.... somewheres between "expected" and "inevitable".
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yup.
sad.
I hope he can conquer his demons.
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yup.
sad.
I hope he can conquer his demons.
He has to be out of chances with the league.
Worst scenario for the Pat's. His talent made him an important element of the offense, but his demons take him from that offense at pretty much the worst possible time.
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The other shoe dropped:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/20/nfl-announces-indefinite-suspension-for-josh-gordon/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiW0u7PyK_fAhUSCKwKHQ9aD54QiJQBMAB6BAgCEAQ&usg=AOvVaw3tkyWbLNTzq_utSSar6JYJ&cf=1
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yup.
sad.
I hope he can conquer his demons.
He has to be out of chances with the league.
Worst scenario for the Pat's. His talent made him an important element of the offense, but his demons take him from that offense at pretty much the worst possible time.
Assuming they win the AFC East, (hoe against the Bills and Jets) they have two weeks+ to tinker and find a fix. I imagine we'll see more of James White, and Hogan and Dorsett might get dusted off. Bigger picture, while the road to the SB looks open to lots of teams, I don't expect the pats to get very far down the road. They haven't been very good this year and for lots of reasons.
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NFL odds week 16
Tennessee -10 Redskins 37 no pick
LA Chargers -4.5 Ravens 44.5 no pick
Dallas -7 Buccaneers 46.5 27-17
New England -12.5 Bills 45 31-17
Carolina -4 Falcons 50 24-27
Miami -4.5 Jaguars 39 23-13
Indy -9 Giants 46.5 21-23
Philly -1 Texans 45.5 23-26
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Vikings -5.5 Detroit 43.5 27-20
NY Jets -1 Packers 44 17-20
Cleveland -7 Bengals 45.5 27-17
Rams -14 Arizona 47.5 24-17
Bears -4 San Francisco 42.5 28-17
New Orleans -6 Steelers 57 31-34
Chiefs -2.5 Seattle 53.5 27-30
Broncos -2.5 Oakland 45 23-20
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The other shoe dropped:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/20/nfl-announces-indefinite-suspension-for-josh-gordon/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiW0u7PyK_fAhUSCKwKHQ9aD54QiJQBMAB6BAgCEAQ&usg=AOvVaw3tkyWbLNTzq_utSSar6JYJ&cf=1
Agree.
Pats(STEELERS) out of SB.
FIXED
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Barkley!!!
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lots of back doors covers today
musta been a sale down at the Sears
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refs screwed the Steelers with that gift PI call for Brees
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Eagles-Skins game on Sunday now has meaning, and they're calling Foles..St. Nick, of course! Pats fans should be happy that St. Nick brought the team down to score, because the Texans losing keeps Pats alive for a first round bye.
But Foles's QBing meant more:
Indy and Tennessee play in Week 17. If Houston loses at home to the Jaguars, the winner of Colts-Titans would claim the AFC North. Even if Houston wins, a Ravens loss to the Browns would get the winner in. And even if the Ravens win, a Steelers loss to the Saints [gives] Baltimore the AFC North title and allow the winner of Colts-Titans in as a wild card.
Source:cbssports.com
Next Sunday, I think they start all those games at the same time.
Ho, Ho, Friggin' Ho!!!
St. Nick, indeed.
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8-4-1
Tough losses -
Texans, Pats, Cowboys (push)
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Got a shot at win 10 tonight and inching closer to .a 500 season.
I aspire to a 3rd place pool finish and the record of a fairly flipped coin!
heh
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Trainer/Nutritionist Danny O’Shaunnesy is under internal investigation status at CLEM. He was close with and regularly had lunch with the three players in question...
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Winners vs spread today
Giants -6
Patriots -13.5
New Orleans -7.5
Green Bay -8
Jags +7
Falcons -1
Bills -3.5
Baltimore -6
KC -13.5
Eagles -6.5
Steelers -14.5
Bears +5
Chargers -6.5
Cardinals +13.5
Rams -10
Colts -3
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Best RB in the game rumbling already.
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Best RB in the game rumbling already.
I believe Gurley is sitting today.
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Pats and Ravens were my best bets
Looking at 2-5 early....ouch.
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Best RB in the game rumbling already.
I believe Gurley is sitting today.
Heh
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Barkley!!!
Nice day for Eli as well.
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Shame. Eli put the ball right where it needed to be on 4th.
Play calling was severely lacking. Just needed 15 yards and had over a minute.
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Fake punt on 4th and 5 last week, with a lead
And now 4th and 1 at opponents 43 and Tomlin punts
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3 of my picks I really didn't feel great about
Giants Cardinals Chargers
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Shurmer must go. When you lose that many games late, It's the coach.
Ravens caught a big break with the Jackson fumble that Peppers picked up. He was heading for 6 the other way when whistle blower stopped the play.
50 years since Jets beat the Colts in SB3.
Suffer some more, Jets fans.
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Whatever compromising photos Marvin Lewis had of Mike Brown are about to be published.
Rumors we will be replaced be Lose Jackson are probably just wishful thinking on my part.
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Re: Browns
Nice effort. Though I can't get over 1st and ten at Bengals 39 resulting in 4 consecutive incompletions.
Had over a minute on the clock and needed 5-6 yards to attempt winning fg.
Hadn't heard about the Peppers play but Steelers made their own bad luck, can't say they deserved better.
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Re: Browns
Nice effort. Though I can't get over 1st and ten at Bengals 39 resulting in 4 consecutive incompletions.
Had over a minute on the clock and needed 5-6 yards to attempt winning fg.
Hadn't heard about the Peppers play but Steelers made their own bad luck, can't say they deserved better.
"Ravens"
but your point about the Browns play-calling stands.
plenty of time for a screen-pass or even try to run the ball
that game had last second FG all but stamped on it.
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Lots of NFL jobs open!
I have to say, it is hard to believe that Cinci finally fired Marvin Lewis. He wasn't any worse this year than last, as far as this outsider could tell!
But it is even harder to believe that they didn't can him long before this! No playoff wins in 15 years and an 0-7 record? Wow.
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Lots of NFL jobs open!
I have to say, it is hard to believe that Cinci finally fired Marvin Lewis. He wasn't any worse this year than last, as far as this outsider could tell!
But it is even harder to believe that they didn't can him long before this! No playoff wins in 15 years and an 0-7 record? Wow.
Finished below the Browns.
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The Browns have a mothereffer at qb an after going 0-16 or whatever in draft, that, I “you like that”
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Boston source: Patriots get to skip playoffs and enter Super Bowl.
https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-willie-mcginest-predicts-patriots-162551598.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-willie-mcginest-predicts-patriots-162551598.html)
Keep those balls inflated, gentlemen.
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AFC is wide open, but don't love Pats chances this year, too many vulnerabilities.
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Uh huh.
Texans
Bears
.....unless its Pats-Saints.
14-1 on HOU to get there.
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Uh huh.
Texans
Bears
.....unless its Pats-Saints.
14-1 on HOU to get there.
to me of the 6 AFC teams Texans is the least atrractive (straight win)
IMO Chiefs-Pats-Ravens are all about the same, then Chargers
Don't see a clear favorite
wouldn't be shocked w/a Saints-Bears NFC championship game
Brees at home would be the pick
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Heh
Sure thing. Chiefs, Ravens even.
Got it.
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I like teams that play defense.
Ravens probably have the best defense in the AFC.
KC the worst among the 6 AFC post-season teams.
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looks like 4 interesting match-ups this weekend.
first up
indy @ Houston
I want to say Indy, but I'm having a hard time seeing them win a play-off game on the road.
Houston by 3
24-21
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26-19 HOU
23-20 SEA
Tomorrow its Chargers and Bears vs spread in case I don't get back
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Ok here we go....
300 bucks to start
NFL playoffs only
Play along if you like. Odds are here:
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)
First bet
HOU to win AFC $20 at 10-1
Second bet
Bears to win Super Bowl $30 at 8-1
3rd bet
$20 money line parlay Seahawks, Chargers.
Takes me down to $230.
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looks like 4 interesting match-ups this weekend.
first up
indy @ Houston
I want to say Indy, but I'm having a hard time seeing them win a play-off game on the road.
Houston by 3
24-21
didn't take long for the Texans to turtle.
shoulda stuck with my first impression
I should get my glasses checked.
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Romeo with the well thought out game plan.
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I think 20 just saved the game. Texans injuries pile up.
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Uh huh.
Texans
Bears
.....unless its Pats-Saints.
14-1 on HOU to get there.
Um..I know games have two halves, but, how's that Houston thing looking right now?
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looks like 4 interesting match-ups this weekend.
first up
indy @ Houston
I want to say Indy, but I'm having a hard time seeing them win a play-off game on the road.
Houston by 3
24-21
Well...there two halves...
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Looks like Pats get Chargers.
Not what they wanted.
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Ravens lose already?
I assume BB might have been rooting for the Texans.
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Well....got the UNDER
Correction on Seahawks
24-21, thus putting it OVER the 43.
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"Should have gone to the backup QB"
- Yes
- No
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lets play the other half of the Lone Star Daily Double
Dallas 24
Seattle 20
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Really, Garrett? 58 yards?
Idiot.
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HOU actually had every chance at 24-21. Sad offensive display.
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I guess so, but being in a 0-21 hole sort of works against most reasonable chances of getting to 24-21..
Colts basically kicked their ass.
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Ha! Knew that flag was coming. Great working of refs by Garrett.
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I suppose if you're going to count the opportunities the Texans missed to make it 24-21 then you need to count Luck's bad interception on the way to making it 28. Or you can just stop gambling and not have to deal in such silliness.
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For tomorrow..
Chargers 23-20
Bears 23-16
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lets play the other half of the Lone Star Daily Double
Dallas 24
Seattle 20
Almost had it perfect
But I get the cover.
You had money line and the over at least.
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I suppose if you're going to count the opportunities the Texans missed to make it 24-21 then you need to count Luck's bad interception on the way to making it 28. Or you can just stop gambling and not have to deal in such silliness.
I don't have any cash on these games.
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1st game I'm sticking with 24-20
Poe's Crows 24
Sons of Lance Alworth 20
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Money already moving in on KC vs Indy. Up to 5.5.
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Over/under on early game has moved to 43. I have it right on that number but it was 41.5 when I made the pick.
Had both O/U yesterday plus the SEA cover.
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lets play the other half of the Lone Star Daily Double
Dallas 24
Seattle 20
Almost had it perfect
But I get the cover.
You had money line and the over at least.
Yahoo pick'em had the game as Dallas + 1 1/2
go figure
so got all 3 elements.
didn't bet it though
still in 5th place of 20 ATS players
got a shot at 3rd
and still holding out hope (small) for a breakeven year on full slate
but am running out of games
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Ravens can't seem to keep their claws on the ball
Yahoo lines this round
Favored Ind Sea Bal Chi
Spread 1.5 1.5 2.5 5.5
Underdog Hou Dal LAC Phi
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Antonio Gates played with Dan Fouts.
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Antonio Gates played with Dan Fouts.
I thought he played with John Hadl.
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Lamar no-showed.
Flacco time?
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a lot going on with that TD
so it seems it will be Pats-Chargers
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San Diego Super Chargers
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game got interesting
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Pats opened at -4 1/2
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sticking with 24-20
wit da Bears winning
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Wow.
Quite the ending - and a crusher for the Bears.
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double doinker nut punch loss
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Shame.
Nice job, Trubisky.
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I have that book.
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Forecast for Foxborough in 1/13: high of 31'F, feels like 22'F. Winds 12 mph gusts to 18 mph.
But will it slow down the Chargers' Pass Rush on Brady?
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Gonna go with a $50 4 team 6 point teaser
Colts +11.5
Cowboys +13
Pats +2
Saints -2
Takes me down to 180.
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$80 on Patriots money line (whatever the line is when game starts)
They certainly are NOT to be grouped in any manner with the Baltimore Ravens.
Down to 100.
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Pats -200 right now
forecast for snow has diminshed in Foxboro,
cold but dry
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Brownies, Baker, Kitchens... IT JUST MAKES SENSE!
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Pats -200 right now
forecast for snow has diminshed in Foxboro,
cold but dry
Shortest price of the 4 games.
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Gonna go with a $50 4 team 6 point teaser
Colts +11.5
Cowboys +13
Pats +2
Saints -2
Takes me down to 180.
I always thought teasers were usually an expensive way to buy points
but at times you might find 2, 3 teams to finagle
good luck
leaning dogs (Colts +5 1/2, Boys +7) ) today
need to go 5-2 (remaining games) to reach .500+ ATS for season
been chasing that bogey after a brutal start.
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31-28. Chiefs. Colts cover and over the total
27-21. Rams. Cowboys cover and the under
No money. These are contest picks.
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I guess the good news is the Colts offense should be well-rested and ready to go in the 2nd half.
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Anyone else think Cowboys got a horrible spot on the play prior to Elliott being stufffed on 4th and 1?
They show the replay three times, clear as day that the catch is at the red line marker (no guarantee it is same as sticks, I realize). But analysts say nothing.
Zebras then miss holding call on the last TD.
In Colts game you get the phantom running into the kicker. I didnt see it - maybe he had no place to land? Radio guys seemed to think no contact. Did they explain it on the TV feed?
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I thought the in the grasp call on Prescot was hilarious, since he was actually in the grasp of La'el Collins.
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Anyway......laying an egg thus far in playoffs
Composite yesterday was 2-4 (2 for winners, 0-4 for spread and O/U). Overall is 9-9. 58% is what is considered solid.
Need a 5-1 today (win, spread, O/U for each game)
Need a Patriots win to get the payroll to $220 from initial 300. Chiefs late TD and the Colts WR drop late killed my parlay.
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Didn't see it, I was channel surfing at that point, watching the Celts piss away another winnable game.
But i did see Colts/Luck dawdle at the line with one more chance to put up 7
my buddy who had them in a 3-team tease was pissed
spilled milk
0-2 yesteday
margin of error to beat a fairly flipped coin =0
need to run the table to end up over .500 ATS for the year
probability: slim/none
yet it confirms my long held belief that the only way to beat the house is extreme selectivity.
of 20 ATS players in my pool only 2 are over .500 (and the 52.4% breakeven)
talk that Gronk may call it a career when Pats wrap it up.
he looks broken
he's a great player and so much fun to watch
if today (whatever) is his last, I hope he has a monster game
I think its a FG game, don't like that extra point, but I'm not betting against Pats
i think its going to be a low-scoring battle 23-(17-20)
heart over head
GO PATS
As of now I think NO wins but Philly covers
plenty of time to 2nd guess myself
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Just realized I didnt post today's actual scores
24-21 Pats (under and Chargers cover)
34-24 Saints (over and Saints cover)
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I have the spreads as
-4.5/47.5 in Pats game
-8.5/51 for Saints
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Pats going back to White, as I said they should
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Jules is a baller
shaping up as the anticipated DEEEFENSIVE struggle
49-48
heh
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Pats O-line w/Gronk destroying Chargers
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I think I could be perfect this week
0 and EIGHT.
Heh
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that was an ass kicking.
over in the 1st half
KC opens as 3 pt favorite next week
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Saints open at -3 1/2
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0-2 yesterday
2-0 today
the dream of .500 remains alive!
125-127 .496
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I thought the in the grasp call on Prescot was hilarious, since he was actually in the grasp of La'el Collins.
it was crazy but then what Collins was doing was illegal as one can not hold up a player on your team and attempt to move him so that might have been called or mot
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End up hitting 3/4 of the teaser Luck screwed me
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End up hitting 3/4 of the teaser Luck screwed me
Maybe it was skill and knowledge. Losers blame bad luck.
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End up hitting 3/4 of the teaser Luck screwed me
You'll get 'em next time.
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Should have just gone 4 team moneyline parlay. Had it cold. :)
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I have every confidence you'll get 'em next time
you should probably down down
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Its just a model.
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of your own making?
can you provide the model, or list what variables the model requires?
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Money coming in heavy on Chiefs......
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I haven't seen the line move off KC -3, and money line is about the same kc -145 to -155
but o/u has come down (58-54 1/2) I'm assuming it reflects weather report of arctic conditions
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KC big in this game.....
Having a tough time with the NFC pick.
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Gladys Knight to perform the national anthem. I hopee she will arrive via Amtrak, preferably on one of their late departures.
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Any Pips? I don't imagine too many of them are remaining.
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KC and NO
Moneyline and spread..
Likely will just play Moneyline parlay for 100
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Any Pips? I don't imagine too many of them are remaining.
Pipless, I believe.
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No Pips?
Damn, The Pips doing ther dance moves to the National anthem would be must see TV.
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What's the over/under in a Pat's cheating scandal coming out before pitchers and catchers report for ST?
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one less than the number of your inferiority driven posts about the Pats
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one less than the number of your inferiority driven posts about the Pats
Dude, you ought to drink less. It may enlighten you to reality.
But then again, your history of denial, obfuscation, and dishonesty is quite extensive, if not legendary.
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troll
you should probably drink more, it mght help take your mind off your deep seeded, but wholly deserved feelings of inferiority.
It might also help with your silly obssessions.
all the best with conquering your demons
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Chiefs -3 now -120 most places
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probably bettors feeling better about the (milder) weather in KC?
i wonder if we'll see a move to 3 1/2.
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troll
you should probably drink more, it mght help take your mind off your deep seeded, but wholly deserved feelings of inferiority.
It might also help with your silly obssessions.
all the best with conquering your demons
You GFY, instead of the neighbors' goat, douchebag.
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sad troll he never has anything of value to add
and only reinforces those gnawing feelings of inferiority that he's had for decades
boo-hoo
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sad troll he never has anything of value to add
and only reinforces those gnawing feelings of inferiority that he's had for decades
boo-hoo
Poor banks. He eagerly projects his inadequacies on others daily.
Sad.
But predictable.
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one less than the number of your inferiority driven posts about the Pats
Dude, you ought to drink less. It may enlighten you to reality.
But then again, your history of denial, obfuscation, and dishonesty is quite extensive, if not legendary.
That's DimBulbWard.
Please keep your antagonism straight!
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Liking like my pick will be 28-24 Chiefs.
Still working on Saints game. Despite their recent proclivity to play under the number I think that one is a shootout.
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I will go with 38-30 New Orleans for now
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Ok....
Bankroll is 220 from 300
Picks today
Parlay KC -3 with New Orleans -3. $40
New Orleans-LA over 57.....$44
May find something else
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Look for a bizarre and wrong call in the game that favors NE.
As predicted. Same shit, different game.
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went with LA +3 1/2 Pats +3 in my ATS contest
like the hook LA is getting and don't get many chances to get Pat points
got a couple of friendly wagers on the Pats at +3 and a slightly less friendly ML play at +150
going with Dog Day
ATTICA!
ATTICA!
NO 31
LA 28
Pats 27
KC 23
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Rams playing like they're happy to be there.
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Rams playing like they're happy to be there.
Time to just put Hekker in at QB?
(No, not exactly serious.)
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Cmon, ZEBRA!
Fuckin easy call.
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I fear Rams gonna regret not going for it.
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Next bet
Chiefs -2.5 first half 72 to win 60
64 left....... looking at prop plays
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Holy crap
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This is the worst I have ever seen
Good finish coming
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That was an amazingly bad non-call on the pass interference by the Rams.
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Last bet
$20 on a Gronk TD at 3-1
Balance - $44
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They still didnt change that first team TD rule?
Sad.
Not yet.
Not a factor this time.
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brutal no PI call for Saints
refs kinda sucked in that game
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Brr... 19* in KC right now, but wind chill makes it 6*.
OTOH, it won't get much, if any, cooler during the game and they have no snow on the field.
The Tube says feels like 5*.
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Normally I take the view that bad calls and missed calls happen. Your job is to overcome them, not bitch about them, and do. ot attach sig III ancestors to any one of them, no matter when in the game they happen. But man, that call sucked.
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Rams continue to have nice play-calling.
That early fake punt from around their own 30 was ballsy.
I thought Saints mostly outplayed the Rams, but ...
So Tom Brady v. a rook.
Gee, tough to call ...
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I was going for "do not attach significance" but Samsung had other ideas.
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brutal no PI call for Saints
refs kinda sucked in that game
I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.
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brutal no PI call for Saints
refs kinda sucked in that game
I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.
Jesus
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brutal no PI call for Saints
refs kinda sucked in that game
I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.
I agree.
[/quoteJesus.
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brutal no PI call for Saints
refs kinda sucked in that game
I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.
I agree.
[/quoteJesus.
Lets hope not.
holding, D and O, can be called on just about every play.
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excepting that fucking pick, the Pats played a beautiful 1st half.
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Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.
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Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.
First half.
He was last time, too.
Second half may be different.
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Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.
that was the hope, but he looked bad in the first half they played earlier this year, annd had a pretty good 2nd half, and almost beat the pats.
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Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.
First half.
He was last time, too.
Second half may be different.
Reid did him no favors.
SCREEN on 3rd and 9 is the call 95% of coaches make with the young QB
Could have gone in down 7-3.
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A SIRRIUS analyst said, I like the Chiefs but never diiscount that Reid could totally choke if he gets behind.
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I could not believe that play got called.
Can the Pats defense rise to the occasion?!
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So far, refs favoring Pats
As per usual.
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Sad that NO loses on zebra error. Worst hit to that town since Katrina!
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no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Brees got hit harder on the pick
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Roughing the passer bad call.
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And now bad call number two, and lose TO
WEAK NFL FIX.
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Phantom roughing the passer may have cost KC the game.
That's the way it goes sometimes.
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Van Noy tried to end Mahomes season
Punk.
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Wow, pick play no call.
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I would have to say the refereeing today for both games has been less than stellar.
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Wow, pick play no call.
agree.....
rough rough day for men in stripes
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Keep rushing 4, idiots
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KC defense took zero risks
Sick
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Stupid offside. Really really stupid.
Just about as stupid how do you not double Gronk on the outside on that play. About as fucking obvious as it gets, the guy upstairs saw it, I saw it. You sell your safety over there immediately. What the flying fuck? LOL.
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Set up for a Bears like miss
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Nullified interception. Phantom offsides. 4 calls in the 4th period go their way.
Conincidence? No one outside New England thinks so.
Scam.
Thank God for baseball, where you actually have to win the game.
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Kick it now.
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OT.
Alright!
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Free football - but KC aint winnin
I complete my 0-12 for the last 2 weeks.
Heh
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Refs force ot in both games.
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KC D had their shot. Played soft.
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They still haven't changed the overtime touchdown rule?!
But it's been almost four hours!
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Rush 5 - near sack
Next play rush 4
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Brady is a fucking machine.
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Again
FOUR
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And again
FOUR
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My last NFL game
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Horseshit rule.. No reason Chiefs dont get the ball. Said it every year.
But they deserve the loss
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Fix in. America knows. Refs gave this Game away.
Kc jobbed.
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ATTICA!
nice Dog day
heh
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Great game
that was a classic
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My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision
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My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision
Thanks
Good picks.
The league, for many reasons, is a joke
Nothing to do with New England
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
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They still haven't changed the overtime touchdown rule?!
But it's been almost four hours!
This may be the game that gets that rule changed.
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Great game
that was a classic
Really was a pretty good game. Reffing gaffs notwithstanding.
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The GOAT strikes again!!!
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
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My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision
Thanks
Good picks.
The league, for many reasons, is a joke
Nothing to do with New England
thanks-It was a very good day
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
If he didn't get hurt or the injuries mount up. Like I said, Maybe, probably if he didn't get hurt.
He is amazing though.
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I could imagine a rematch of those two teams again next year.
Mahomes did a fine job.
Now the Pats have to finish the job.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816732-missed-call-spoils-rams-win-over-saints-further-destroys-nfls-credibility
NFL's credibility further destroyed by the missed call against the Rams.
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Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.
Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.
Notoriously Fixed League.
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
You've missed a lot of football, then.
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My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision
Thanks
Good picks.
The league, for many reasons, is a joke
Nothing to do with New England
The joke, if there is one, is you.
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Nullified interception. Phantom offsides. 4 calls in the 4th period go their way.
Conincidence? No one outside New England thinks so.
Scam.
Thank God for baseball, where you actually have to win the game.
Phantom offside? Helen Keller would have thrown a flag.
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https://twitter.com/KirkCousins8/status/1087190190907711489 (https://twitter.com/KirkCousins8/status/1087190190907711489)
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My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision
Thanks
Good picks.
The league, for many reasons, is a joke
Nothing to do with New England
The joke, if there is one, is you.
heh
A jab from the peanut gallery
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
You've missed a lot of football, then.
No, I've seen a lot of football and a lot of QBs, from Starr and Unitas to Staubach Elway Marino, Montana Favre Rodgers, etal and in my 60 years of watching and handicapping the game, if the goal is to win, then Brady is the guy I want under center. He is demonstrably the best ever.
YMMV
But in the years you've been whining and pissing your pants with your silly obssessions you've yet to put an articulate persusaive argument to the contray.
I would suggest as your head is so far up your ass, your vision is clouded.
SSDD
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America knows. Pat's cheat. Fix in. No one is that lucky and gets all those noncalls and calls on the road, in the playoffs.
Edelman touched the kick. That "offsides" never gets called in a game of this magnitude, pass interference on Gronk pushing off, not called, and countless more .
If Starr, Unitas, Namath, Montana got as many calls in their careers, and got to play in an era where you get a penalty for grazing the QBs chest with your hand, they'd have never list a game.
Fake championship.
NFL has become WWF.
SAD.
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heh
yup BB, Brady and Pats have been lucky for almost 20 years.
And when luck wasn't enough they've cheated.
That certainly explains a level of sustained excellence that has never been achieved in the NFL.
As you've proven you can't articulate anything more than sour grapes, incessant whining, and idiotic rationales, perhaps you should just put your head back up your ass.
And when it securely wedged in there, eat shit loser.
bon appetite.
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.
Or Bobby Layne
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Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.
Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.
Notoriously Fixed League.
I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.
Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.
Never saw Slingin' Sammy Baugh or Sid Luckman either. I just mentioned the guys I've seen play who I consider top echelon/ guys in the discussion.
From what I've read/seen/heard Graham's in the GOAT discussion.
But I don't think he's the GOAT.
It seems he usually ranked around top 5-10.
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.
Or Bobby Layne
I saw him play towards the end of his career.
No way he's GOAT.
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Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.
Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.
Notoriously Fixed League.
I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.
Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.
They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.
They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.
They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.
I don't understand why there is any doubt.
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
or the team that does not possess the ball initially in OT could play sufficient defense to win the game, if they force a stop/ yield only a FG.
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Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.
Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.
Notoriously Fixed League.
I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.
Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.
They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.
They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.
They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.
I don't understand why there is any doubt.
Trolling Pats fans.
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I once watched the Lions lose on the OT kick off. Tackle the guy with the ball.
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Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.
Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.
Notoriously Fixed League.
I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.
Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.
They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.
They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.
They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.
I don't understand why there is any doubt.
Well apparently they could be sure. ;-)
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.
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Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.
Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.
Notoriously Fixed League.
I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.
Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.
They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.
They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.
They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.
I don't understand why there is any doubt.
Trolling Pats fans.
The rules maven on the show made the same "can't be sure" claim during the game and I was befuddled at the time.
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.
NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.
What have you gained?
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https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/01/21/chiefs-mahomes-didnt-deserve-the-ball-he-deserved-a-better-defense/
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.
NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.
What have you gained?
Fairness?
I mean think about what you just said. To summarize it tilts to the second team. Well, that is because they got a shot. If you get the logic here.
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.
NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.
What have you gained?
Fairness?
But it's not any more fair. It just changes which team has the balance tilted in their favor.
The first team's possession determines what the second team's goals minimum goal must be.
1st = 0
2nd needs anything
1st = 3
2nd needs 7 to win, but can settle for 3.
1st = 6 or 7,
2nd needs a TD.
That's why the imbalance in college is so worth noting. Fairness is not achieved:
(https://blog.minitab.com/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media/winner_had_ball.jpg)
(2008-2013, a mere 156 overtime games)
It looks, however, as if there may be a bigger factor: when did the last team to score score during regulation.
If they scored less than two minutes before the end of regulation, there was no appreciable difference. If they scored more than two minutes before, they won 56% of the time.
But wait! There's more...
If they scored less than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they lost 59% of the time!
If they scored more than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they won 58% of the time.
That sounds like a far bigger factor than who got the ball first, but I would love to see that broken down further. And I am curious how it extends to the NFL, not just the NCAA.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816858-nfl-rumors-league-to-discuss-making-pass-interference-reviewable-at-length?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.
NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.
What have you gained?
Fairness?
But it's not any more fair. It just changes which team has the balance tilted in their favor.
The first team's possession determines what the second team's goals minimum goal must be.
1st = 0
2nd needs anything
1st = 3
2nd needs 7 to win, but can settle for 3.
1st = 6 or 7,
2nd needs a TD.
That's why the imbalance in college is so worth noting. Fairness is not achieved:
(https://blog.minitab.com/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media/winner_had_ball.jpg)
(2008-2013, a mere 156 overtime games)
It looks, however, as if there may be a bigger factor: when did the last team to score score during regulation.
If they scored less than two minutes before the end of regulation, there was no appreciable difference. If they scored more than two minutes before, they won 56% of the time.
But wait! There's more...
If they scored less than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they lost 59% of the time!
If they scored more than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they won 58% of the time.
That sounds like a far bigger factor than who got the ball first, but I would love to see that broken down further. And I am curious how it extends to the NFL, not just the NCAA.
Nice stats. And I mean that good stuff, kudos on the research.
Once again, in the score a touchdown first system the second team never has a chance to put up stats. It goes to reason if they did the stats would be different. As to the College rules the Pro's don't necessarily have to follow the college model.
And the college rule flaw could easily be fixed. For instance no FG's allowed. Score a TD or nothing. Start in the Red Zone and have at it.
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.
NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.
What have you gained?
Fairness?
But it's not any more fair. It just changes which team has the balance tilted in their favor.
The first team's possession determines what the second team's goals minimum goal must be.
1st = 0
2nd needs anything
1st = 3
2nd needs 7 to win, but can settle for 3.
1st = 6 or 7,
2nd needs a TD.
That's why the imbalance in college is so worth noting. Fairness is not achieved:
(https://blog.minitab.com/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media/winner_had_ball.jpg)
(2008-2013, a mere 156 overtime games)
It looks, however, as if there may be a bigger factor: when did the last team to score score during regulation.
If they scored less than two minutes before the end of regulation, there was no appreciable difference. If they scored more than two minutes before, they won 56% of the time.
But wait! There's more...
If they scored less than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they lost 59% of the time!
If they scored more than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they won 58% of the time.
That sounds like a far bigger factor than who got the ball first, but I would love to see that broken down further. And I am curious how it extends to the NFL, not just the NCAA.
Nice stats. And I mean that good stuff, kudos on the research.
Once again, in the score a touchdown first system the second team never has a chance to put up stats. It goes to reason if they did the stats would be different. As to the College rules the Pro's don't necessarily have to follow the college model.
And the college rule flaw could easily be fixed. For instance no FG's allowed. Score a TD or nothing. Start in the Red Zone and have at it.
The "no field goals" approach is discussed a fair amount. It has some clear advantages in this day of dominant offenses. In the past, it would have meant more multi-overtime playoffs, I suspect, and more ties in the regular season, not that I object to those as much as some seem to.
As noted, I kind of like the "you choose the field position the ball starts from, I choose whether to play offense or defense from it" notion.
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Fair or perfectly fair?
In play-off only, play an additional 15 minute qtr, then revert to calling the other quarters, fifths, and then go drink.
All OT 15 minutes are played to the whistle, winner wins, if its a tie, then flip a coin, and play sudden death.
and keep drinking.
or keep it the way it is, and if a team's D can't prevent a TD, thems the breaks.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html)
Lasergate?
...that a fan at Arrowhead Stadium appeared to flash a laser on the Patriots quarterback on two occasions in the AFC Championship game, caught on camera by KMBC-TV in Kansas City, Mo.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html)
Lasergate?
...that a fan at Arrowhead Stadium appeared to flash a laser on the Patriots quarterback on two occasions in the AFC Championship game, caught on camera by KMBC-TV in Kansas City, Mo.
You have to be a special kind of total loser to want your team to win so bad that you'd do that.
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As noted, I kind of like the "you choose the field position the ball starts from, I choose whether to play offense or defense from it" notion.
Too gimmicky for me.
That'd be fine in your backyard, but for the pros ...?
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it kind of reminded me of "Name that tune" a TV show WBW.
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it kind of reminded me of "Name that tune" a TV show WBW.
Just a little harder catch phrase.
Name that Down and yardage to go and who gets the rock.
I can name that Down and yardage to go and who gets the rock in one coin flip.
This may not catch on.
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Fair or perfectly fair?
In play-off only, play an additional 15 minute qtr, then revert to calling the other quarters, fifths, and then go drink.
All OT 15 minutes are played to the whistle, winner wins, if its a tie, then flip a coin, and play sudden death.
and keep drinking.
or keep it the way it is, and if a team's D can't prevent a TD, thems the breaks.
I would prefer they just played the whole 15 minutes (lather, rinse, repeat as necessary), but apparently the TV executives NFL felt that the games would run too long risk of injury would be too high, which is why the TV folks NFL shortened the regular season OT to 10 minutes.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html)
Lasergate?
...that a fan at Arrowhead Stadium appeared to flash a laser on the Patriots quarterback on two occasions in the AFC Championship game, caught on camera by KMBC-TV in Kansas City, Mo.
You have to be a special kind of total loser to want your team to win so bad that you'd do that.
Hammy was at the game
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I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
No, the American way is to pay off the refs, which apparently is what happened in this game. Roughing the passer, catches that aren't catches to keep drives alive...
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I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
No, the American way is to pay off the refs, which apparently is what happened in this game. Roughing the passer, catches that aren't catches to keep drives alive...
(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)
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I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
No, the American way is to pay off the refs, which apparently is what happened in this game. Roughing the passer, catches that aren't catches to keep drives alive...
(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)
https://thespun.com/football/referees-call-embarrassing-roughing-the-passer-penalty-on-tom-brady (https://thespun.com/football/referees-call-embarrassing-roughing-the-passer-penalty-on-tom-brady)
The Patriots benefitted from a phantom roughing the passer call against Brady on 2nd and 7 on the New England 28-yard line.
https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/01/21/patriots-recap-referees-calls-highlights (https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/01/21/patriots-recap-referees-calls-highlights)
Hogan still hasn't made that "catch", btw, unless the ground is allowed to help secure the ball, when you wear a certain uniform.
"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." ---Friedrich Nietzsche
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
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Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works. In other words, he never said it. Nice try, though. Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?
But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
Goodreads?! Good gods!
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
Goodreads?! Good gods!
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
Doesn't sound
like something Ray Nietzche would say
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Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works. In other words, he never said it. Nice try, though. Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?
But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?
Since I could and did ignore him back then, did he credit crooked refs for the result of last year's Super Bowl?
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Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works. In other words, he never said it. Nice try, though. Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?
But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?
He only thinks it is fixed for the Patriots.
And he only thinks that when they win.
IOW, his opinion is based solely on his trolling, as already noted by the lovely illustration.
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Fun facts on the Chiefs last TD drive (that took them to a 28-24 lead with 2 minutes left)
4 incomplete passes
a fumble recovered by the Pats overturned by a phantom D-holding call
a 25 yard really iffy DPI call
a 40 yard gain on an obvious pick play that everyone, including an incredulous Romo, saw, but it escaped the refs attention (BB smashed his tablet on this play)
a 2 yd TD run
the Chiefs were gifted a TD
so spare me this BS that the Pats were the sole beneficiary of calls.
the better team won in KC.
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Wouldn't one have to watch the game to see all that?
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yup
I was just presenting a fact-based contra-take to the troll's cut and paste hot takz.
I don't think the troll watched the game.
As it seems his hot takz always seems the same, the Pats cheated, the game was fixed,
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I assume he was off somewhere reading Nietzsche.
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I assume he was off somewhere reading Nietzsche.
or doing a deep dive on Jamie Moyer's stats.
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
Goodreads?! Good gods!
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
You can do the research yourself.
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I see the Boston Cartel has rushed in here to continue the lies and protect the "legacy" of the most morally maligned franchise in NFL history.
SSDD.
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
Goodreads?! Good gods!
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
You can do the research yourself.
I did, fool.
You did not.
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Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works. In other words, he never said it. Nice try, though. Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?
But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?
Exactly right. There is no 'fix'. It's just poor refereeing. People make mistakes and nodody is perfect.
But give the devil his due, that even though Nietzsche never said that I have to admit it's a snappy little ditty.
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
Goodreads?! Good gods!
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
Doesn't sound
like something Ray Nietzche would say
He may have said, 'Sometimes people don't hear the snap count and get their quarterback destroyed.'
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Fun facts on the Chiefs last TD drive (that took them to a 28-24 lead with 2 minutes left)
...
a 40 yard gain on an obvious pick play that everyone, including an incredulous Romo, saw, but it escaped the refs attention (BB smashed his tablet on this play)
...
I know I saw it.
Bill needs to control himself btw. That's probably gonna come out of his pay.
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
Goodreads?! Good gods!
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
You can do the research yourself.
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
(https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr)
The quote, "Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed" is, at least on the Internet, often attributed to Nietzsche, e.g., goodreads, Simple Reminders, IHeartIntelligence, and all over Pinterest.
However, I cannot find any evidence for the attribution in Complete Works of Friedrich Nietzsche (Delphi Classics) or using Advanced Search on Google Books, with the search parameters, "Find results with all of the words" and "inauthor:Nietzsche" {search results}.
In addition, both QuoteFail and Wikiquotes question the attribution.
Nietzsche did write, "For the historical audit brings so much to light which is false and absurd, violent and inhuman, that the condition of pious illusion falls to pieces." 1
In the same essay he wrote, "... 'he who destroys illusions in himself and others is punished by the ultimate tyrant, Nature.'" 2
As far as I can tell, QuoteFail has it right: "This quote appears to have been created within the Tumblr-verse."
The funniest part about the page is this:
I'd be interested in knowing the source of this quote/idea as well. As Dakdeer suggests (I think), it is probably a fairly universal idea that has been espoused by a number of people. The most familiar is Jack Nicholson growling "You can't handle the truth!" – David Blomstrom Dec 10 '17 at 16:40
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Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"
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Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"
Maybe, maybe not.
But as you can see Nietzsche never actually said that. At best it might be a loose interpreted extrapolation of some of his writings.
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Having been required to read about 80% of everything Nietzsche said in undergrad, there is one thing I am positive he said that I find directly relevant today: "You are boring the shit out of me. Stop feeding the fucking troll." That is from, if I recall correctly, Human All to Human, the Walter Kauffman translation.
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boz
i recall shortly after Clemson disemboweled the Sons of Bear Bryant, in the Student-Athlete Football championship, I had a brief conversation with your buddy Deej. who initially insisted the game was closer than the blowout it was. (a 28 pt win), and he cherry picked some stats which were quickly and easily debunked and the debate was for all intents and purposes over. Clemson kicked their ass, no ifs and or buts, whether it was really a 21 point win or a 35 point win. There was Bear carcass all over Santa Clara.
Having said that I would argue that anyone watching the AFC championship OT game could successfully argue based on the voluminous game stats that the game was not as close as the scoreboard indicated.
Pats pitched a 14-0 shutout in the 1st half and it could have and should have been worse.
The 2nd half was closer and was marred by some calls/non-calls, and a fucking gift TD that briefly gave a led to the Chiefs, but justice prevailed and the better team won.
And the game stats, clearly showed that domination.
Below is a link to the game stats, they're worth a look.
they pretty much spell out how dominant the pats were, but also the expensive cost of turnovers.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=401038850 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=401038850)
Troll's sad story is always the same, the Pats cheated/the game was fixed.
he appears to be the only one who can't handle the truth.
SSDD
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Having been required to read about 80% of everything Nietzsche said in undergrad, there is one thing I am positive he said that I find directly relevant today: "You are boring the shit out of me. Stop feeding the fucking troll." That is from, if I recall correctly, Human All to Human, the Walter Kauffman translation.
I've often wondered why you seemed to disdain anyone else that mentioned Nietzsche. Your above post is most enlightening. And being most learned as you are in everything Friedrich the following should be relevant to your post.
The advantages of psychological observation. That meditating on things human, all too human (or, as the learned phrase goes, “psychological observation”) is one of the means by which man can ease life’s burden; that by exercising this art, one can secure presence of mind in difficult situations and entertainment amid boring surroundings; indeed, that from the thorniest and unhappiest phases of one’s own life one can pluck maxims and feel a bit better thereby.
;-)
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I see the Boston Cartel has rushed in here to continue the lies and protect the "legacy" of the most morally maligned franchise in NFL history.
SSDD.
Yeah, that Yankguy! Sure has been great having him as part of the Boston Cartel all these years.
And yes, Utley, "maligned" is exactly the right term: "spoken about in a spitefully critical manner"
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Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"
Captain Cargo, another member of the "Boston Cartel," now.
We are growing!
Welcome to Yank and you!
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Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"
Captain Cargo, another member of the "Boston Cartel," now.
We are growing!
Welcome to Yank and you!
I really don't care but we're not so much a cartel as a social club.
as long as yank and cap pass the initiation process, post the bond, pay the annual dues and buy the 1st round, welcome to the cartel.
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Smart kid proves what the Boston Cartel continues to deny.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/10-year-old-kid-won-science-fair-proving-tom-brady-cheater-184439991.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/10-year-old-kid-won-science-fair-proving-tom-brady-cheater-184439991.html)
Winning!!!
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thats some compelling scientific evidence.
his mom and sis can't throw a football.
Although to be fair to the young lad, the Bible passes for a science text book in Kentucky.
heh
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You know, I saw that article this morning and I thought, how long before ham trolls with it. All I can say is, what took him so long? He is slipping.
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Nietzsche has told him to slow down. "Measure twice, cut once," I believe is how Freddie put it.
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I see the Boston Cartel has rushed in here to continue the lies and protect the "legacy" of the most morally maligned franchise in NFL history.
SSDD.
... Yeah, that Yankguy! Sure has been great having him as part of the Boston Cartel all these years. ...
LOL.
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From Seth Wickersham's ESPN article on the Browns
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide)
boz take a ganer, and as the Browns have seemingly turned a corner, maybe not as painful, plus its pretty funny.
. The Browns now were breaking the rules and losing, leading to even more public mocking. The outside anger was felt inside the building. Marketing executives wanted employees to see how fans were engaging with the Browns on social media, so they projected the Browns feed onto a giant wall at the facility. It was like broadcasting talk radio over the entire building, and one day in particular, it was worse than that. One of the marketing staffers entered a search for #dp -- for Dawg Pound. The problem was, that hashtag carried a few different meanings, one of which triggered an array of porn to be broadcast onto a wall for the entire office to see for more than 20 minutes, until a tech employee killed the feed.
20 minutes of of Omar Viz and Roberto Alomar turning two?
#DP
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#s been sticky at Pats -2 1/2
6-4 ATS in the post-season
sitting at exactly .500 for season.
the coin-flip analogy proves itself.
legalized gambling-be careful out there
GO PATS
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I'm thinking the Pats by 10. So I'd take those points.
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#s been sticky at Pats -2 1/2
6-4 ATS in the post-season
sitting at exactly .500 for season.
the coin-flip analogy proves itself.
legalized gambling-be careful out there
GO PATS
The folks who got to take the Pats at the original numbers, when they were not favorites to win, have to be pretty happy, as pre-game happiness goes.
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I'm thinking the Pats by 10. So I'd take those points.
thats the way I'm handicapping the game.
I may be taking the Rams a little too lightly (hope the Pats aren't) but barring new info or one more strong cup of coffee, I'm thinking 34-23 Pats.
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I could be wrong. The Pats may win by more than ten.
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Man how I hate the new pussy rules.
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Man how I hate the new pussy rules.
It’s not a new rule.
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The fix is in!!!!
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that wasn't what I was expecting.
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The fix is in!!!!
Poor Utley/Ham.
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that wasn't what I was expecting.
Really?!
Huh.
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#6 for the Patriots and for Brady!
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this doesn't get old
sadly I do
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
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Adam Levine was the clear MVP tonight.
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Congratulations, New Englanders.
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thanks kid
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Results keep coming until. Worst, and most boring SB of all time!
https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/super-bowl/8496227/2019-super-bowl-nfl-commercial?__twitter_impression=true
Sad.
On to baseball. At last!
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Results keep coming until. Worst, and most boring SB of all time!
https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/super-bowl/8496227/2019-super-bowl-nfl-commercial?__twitter_impression=true
Sad.
On to baseball. At last!
So predictable.
Congratulations, Utley, on not claiming the fix was in. Must have been tough to resist, but the Rams made it hard to claim they would have won without the refs' interference!
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The St. Louis Dispatch cares passionately about the Super Bowl:
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/
Well... okay, not much.
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McVay says he was outcoached.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/03/sean-mcvay-reacts-super-bowl-loss-los-angeles-rams-new-england-patriots?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_medium=social
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Such a nothing bowl. Such a blah game. Blah reaction to the win. Is everyone bored?
Saints should've been here.
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Such a nothing bowl. Such a blah game. Blah reaction to the win. Is everyone bored?
Saints should've been here.
The Saints should have been there.
The Commish had a rule that he could have used, requiring replay of the game from the botched call on. He chose not to use it.
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"The Greatest No Show on Turf"
A line a read in comments somewhere.
Really liked it.
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A Complete Disaster of a Super Bowl:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/super-bowl-liii-complete-disaster-050153485.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/super-bowl-liii-complete-disaster-050153485.html)
The Suffer Bowl.
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heh
the troll is a urinal half-filled type troll.
the other half dribbled down his leg.
sounds like he had the Rams, the over, a couple of shitty boxes, and some day-old guacamole.
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Vegas survives.......barely
Gets hit hard on prop bets of Edelman MVP and zero touchdowns first half. But wins on props overall.
Had no td been scored all game that would have been quite bad.
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Rams to score exactly 3 points was 400-1. Someone bet 250 on it
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Man how I hate the new pussy rules.
It’s not a new rule.
Anyone with a brain could understand the point I was making. No wait, sorry, I forgot your handicap.
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Rams to score exactly 3 points was 400-1. Someone bet 250 on it
I imagine he was paying close attention to that wide-left FG attempt at the buzzer
read the mysterious Bettor X gave back a big chunk of last years winnings with ML wagers on the Rams
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
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McVay says he was outcoached.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/03/sean-mcvay-reacts-super-bowl-loss-los-angeles-rams-new-england-patriots?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_medium=social
Give Belichick two weeks to prepare and you will have a tough row to hoe playing him.
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.
and for the most parts the refs let them play.
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Such a nothing bowl. Such a blah game. Blah reaction to the win. Is everyone bored?
Saints should've been here.
The Saints should have been there.
The Commish had a rule that he could have used, requiring replay of the game from the botched call on. He chose not to use it.
One thing is for sure the folks calling for the game to be played the following day have never played the game of football. I remember not hardly being able to walk, let alone play, a game the next day.
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According to objective observers, this was a game the Rams gave away.
Nice "win".
Heh
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Only in the points allowed department did I think the Rams defense was "all that". They gave up a lot of yards and frequently had a tough time getting off the field.
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They did enough to keep Brady etal out of the red-zone for 3 qtrs and settle for FG 3 times (one miss) .
IMO there was a lot of good defense played and coached last night.
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Pats punt-team also played an awesome game. Allen's spin and Slater's coverage pinned the Rams and gave then continual tough field position in a field position type game.
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.
and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.
and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
thanks for the congrats, boz, sorry you weren't entertained, I didn't think it was either dull or crappy.
IMO it was a tense 1-score low-scoring defensive dominated game going into the 4th quarter, and in some respects was evocative of SB42.
YMMV
and if you're in the neighborhood around 6pm tonight I'm buying.
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America thought it was dull and crappy. Lowest tv ratings in a decade.
Pats not good for national ratings.
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America wanted to watch a pinball game
instead they got a defensive football game dominated by line play.
btw whether you thought the O-lines or D-lines dominated, the best line of the night was by Peyton Manning in the opening
"I don't get my mail at the SuperBowl, like Tom Brady..."
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According to objective observers, this was a game the Rams gave away.
Nice "win".
Heh
I object to that conclusion from those objective observers.
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According to objective observers, this was a game the Rams gave away.
Nice "win".
Heh
I object to that conclusion from those objective observers.
I suspect ham's objective observers are like Trump's anonymous validators: hypothetical and entirely notional.
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I spoke to a guy in California. He said it was boring.
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I liked the N.O. newspaper's take:
(https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/00/27/50/16874010/3/920x920.jpg)
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It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.
Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".
He got it right.
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
Exactly!
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Defense was great? More like QBs played like crap. And why why did Edelman get MVP? Because it was time to give it to a Jew?
Weakest SB ever.
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.
and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
And the MVP was an offensive player proving, once again, without an offense a team can’t win.
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How is a 1-score defensive war "unwatchable"?
Maybe it is for fools and pink-hats who need a 49-48 game to go with the chardonay, chicken wings, and 7-layer dip and aren't really invested in the game.
Pats spoiled America with a string of very exciting high scoring SuperBowls over the years.
Yesterday's game was less star wars and more trench wars.
And for those who liked a game with more D, less flags and a let them play physical game, it was very watchable.
And as posted earlier there was a similiarity to SB42, a game which was 7-3 as the 4th Qtr started, and which some observers think is among the best SBs of all-time.
Would anyone here call that game unwatchable?
But i don't expect analytical insight from a troll.
He insists on going on 4th and forever in his attempt to diminsh the Pats latest unwatcable championship.
and as usual he comes up way short of the chains.
SSDD
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.
and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
And the MVP was an offensive player proving, once again, without an offense a team can’t win.
No it proves the voters picked a guy who had a visibly great game with stats. If Gilmore had another pick, he would have won it, mostly as a proxy for the Pats defense, which really won the game.
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Nooooooooo!!!!
This is just COLD...
https://twitter.com/Mike_Dyer13/status/1092265205684465667 (https://twitter.com/Mike_Dyer13/status/1092265205684465667)
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I have no opinion about a game/event I have not watched since Reagan was in the White House.
But if Banks says it was a great game, it was a great game.
Anybody who can claim a football game that went into OT "wasn't even close" has rare insights
Into the game of football that no mere mortal could possess.
Deej
I didn't say the SB just played was a great game, but rather it was a close defensive battle that had me engaged from opening kick to final whistle.
Some called it unwatchable, and with that I disagreed, In fact I'm watching it again as we speak.
I found the game refreshing from the all offense all the time games that have become so prevalnet in the NFL.
The game was very much a throwback to a style of football played 20+ years ago.
And if you could refresh my memory which OT game, did I say wasn't even close and which SEC institution of higher learning did I unfairly malign?
I'm going back to the game.
Gotta see how it turns out.
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What I want to know is where this defense was in last year's Super Bowl!
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Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Truer words have never been spoke.
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The "unwatchables" are just spewing out their sour grapes, nothing a little mouthwash won't cure.
The OT game was the pro championship game, not a college game.
You maligned my opinion about the Bama game saying I "Cherry-picked my stats" when all I
Did was post some stats readily available.
Our difference is nothing more than what constitutes an "ass-kicking".
Many like to throw that expression around to show their glee that a comeuppance has occurred.
Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!
Jeebus Deej are you still sore that Bama got their ass kicked?
They did.
and i wasn't gleeful about it, I was happy as I had Clemson and points, but the wager wasn't large enough for gleeful.
i just posted about what I saw.
And my team has been on the short-end of some unexpected defensive struggles in the SB. and you're right no one said those games were unwatchable.
Still don;t know what OT game you're refering to, or the comment. I usually remember shit I post.
Peace Deej
Going into 4Q in the SB
its a nail-biter at 3-3
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2819190-signature-win-for-bill-belichick-shows-whos-really-at-the-heart-of-pats-dynasty?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
This would make more sense to me had last year's Super Bowl been different. And it still makes more than a little sense - though if all that were true, where was the genius when Drew Bledsoe was his QB?
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Deej
I'm sorry if that post upset you, but if you'd point out anything that was incorrect or misleading in my post please do.
and having just watched SB 53 again, it was eminently watchable.
If you liked football,
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The whole world hated the game except New england fans.
Should tell something to the New england fans.
If they have frontal lobes.
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The whole world hated the game except New england fans.
Should tell something to the New england fans.
If they have frontal lobes.
Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
And folks like you would be talking about how wonderful the game was, Kam.
Maroon V would still have sucked.
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Kam's just in a funk. He's lost and wondered over here looking for his pet unicorn which has gone missing.
Best of luck son, and in the meantime, here's a longform article written by ESPN.com's lead football analyst, Bill Barnwell, (used to write for the old Grantland) about the game.
It might help explain the nature of game to a novice fan who was more invested in the guacamole than watching a defensive slugfest.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams)
At the end of a dour Super Bowl in Atlanta only a mother could love, it really shouldn't have been a surprise that Bill Belichick was the one standing triumphant.
Last year, Tom Brady produced what was arguably the greatest single performance in Super Bowl history, only for Belichick's defense to get run over by Eagles backup Nick Foles. On Sunday, with Brady struggling en route to his worst passing performance in a title game, Belichick's defense saved the day. The Patriots delivered Belichick's masterpiece in their 13-3 win over the Rams.
What we saw from the Patriots on Sunday night was the best defensive performance we have ever seen in a Super Bowl.
and good luck finding your unicorn.
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Seems to me we should be more appreciative of this particular Pats SB win - its first since 2004 that wasnt HANDED to them (unless you count the phantom call 2 weeks back of the Chiefs roughing the passer and thus dont consider this legit either)
Rams were beat.
Seattle and Atlanta handed games to NE.
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The whole world hated the game except New england fans.
Should tell something to the New england fans.
If they have frontal lobes.
That's a big "if"!
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https://sports.yahoo.com/super-bowl-ratings-hit-10-145115715.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/super-bowl-ratings-hit-10-145115715.html)
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Seems to me we should be more appreciative of this particular Pats SB win - its first since 2004 that wasnt HANDED to them (unless you count the phantom call 2 weeks back of the Chiefs roughing the passer and thus dont consider this legit either)
Rams were beat.
Seattle and Atlanta handed games to NE.
I'm not sure why people comtinue to underestimate coaching, preparation, situational football, and execution in the game.
But having said that you should probably watch the Seattle game (SB49) again. The Pats controlled the first half, got outplayed in the 3rd qtr and dominated the 4th gtr.
The Pats won a game they mostly (75%) dominated on the field.
SB 51 was weird and there was seemingly no way the Pats should have escaped the 28-3 handcuffs they were in mid-way through the 3rd qtr, but they kept on playing and won the war.
To suggest they were handed that win is ridiculous.
it was passed to them.
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It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.
Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".
Like his stuff.
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.
and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
And the MVP was an offensive player proving, once again, without an offense a team can’t win.
Actually it just proves the biased mentality of the people giving it. And why the NFL has done its level best to legislate defense out of the game.
Great defenses are still finding ways to fart to the rulesmakers face. The best defense one.
Lovin it.
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Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!
A sage observance.
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The whole world hated the game except New england fans.
Should tell something to the New england fans.
If they have frontal lobes.
LOL. Now that's smack.
BTW, I liked the game. Hated the results, but liked the game.
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Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!
A sage observance.
Of course you feel that way. Nobody disagrees with their own id.
I had no dog in the hunt. It was about as watchable as MSU beating Rutgers 14 - 10. Which is to say, not at all unless you know one of the players personally.
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It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.
Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".
Like his stuff.
Maroon 5 took too much of a hit
Yeah, it aint fucking rap - and he didnt kneel.. Now go suck an egg.
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Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!
A sage observance.
Of course you feel that way. Nobody disagrees with their own id.
I had no dog in the hunt. It was about as watchable as MSU beating Rutgers 14 - 10. Which is to say, not at all unless you know one of the players personally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzFCnHc8KU0
BTW no pooch in the hunt for me either.
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It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.
Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".
Like his stuff.
Maroon 5 took too much of a hit
Yeah, it aint fucking rap - and he didnt kneel.. Now go suck an egg.
See the post above.
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Classy Boston fans:
https://deadspin.com/there-was-a-big-ol-brawl-between-patriots-fans-at-their-1832367310/amp (https://deadspin.com/there-was-a-big-ol-brawl-between-patriots-fans-at-their-1832367310/amp)
Well, so far cops haven't killed anyone who is "celebrating".
Heh
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Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!
A sage observance.
Of course you feel that way. Nobody disagrees with their own id.
I had no dog in the hunt. It was about as watchable as MSU beating Rutgers 14 - 10. Which is to say, not at all unless you know one of the players personally.
To the best of my recollection, I've seen every SB played, even "wide-right" from a hospital bed in New Hampshire (ski accident-collapsed lung-heavily medicated).
From reollection, there were a lot dog games in the first 20-25 years, and its only been the past 20 years where the games generally have been close/fun to watch. But having said that, of the recent vintage, mostly pretty entertaining, perhaps the worst was the Seahawks thrashing of the Bronco's 43-8, (SB 50). There was nothing redeeming, nor watchable in that game. But i watched.
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The whole world hated the game except New england fans.
Should tell something to the New england fans.
If they have frontal lobes.
Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
And folks like you would be talking about how wonderful the game was, Kam.
Maroon V would still have sucked.
If Patriots had lost 13-3 i'd still say it was a boring game.
Maroon V would still have sucked.
Duh.
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f a dour Super Bowl in Atlanta only a mother could love
Agreed
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Pats name former Rutgers HC, tOSU DC, and Belichick buddy Greg Schiano as new DC, filling the vacancy left by the Miami-bound Brian Flores.
tough act to folllow
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Flores had his one shining moment.
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Flores had his one shining moment.
And he got a five year contract out of it.
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https://news.avclub.com/bob-costas-confirms-he-got-fired-from-the-super-bowl-fo-1832491818?rev=1549736308898&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=SF&utm_content=Main
Costas was fired from last year's Super Bowl broadcast team for being honest prior to it about football and conscussions.
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For the record I do not understand and cannot defend the Hunt pick up on moral or football terms. I get Dorsey has a pre existing relationship with Hunt, but RB is a position we are pretty set at. And while we do have to work out identifying the point where a player gets to restart his career after something like that, but I do not think the point is nkw.
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For the record I do not understand and cannot defend the Hunt pick up on moral or football terms. I get Dorsey has a pre existing relationship with Hunt, but RB is a position we are pretty set at. And while we do have to work out identifying the point where a player gets to restart his career after something like that, but I do not think the point is nkw.
And Cleveland? That was the city in which his incidents all occurred. Somehow this seems like a less than clever move, even without the other rather copious reasons.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASdZ-_vfFLA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASdZ-_vfFLA&feature=youtu.be)
Number one wouldn't have happened in the wimpy NFL. Who by the way I hear is considering changing their initials to NPL.
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For the record I do not understand and cannot defend the Hunt pick up on moral or football terms. I get Dorsey has a pre existing relationship with Hunt, but RB is a position we are pretty set at. And while we do have to work out identifying the point where a player gets to restart his career after something like that, but I do not think the point is nkw.
And Cleveland? That was the city in which his incidents all occurred. Somehow this seems like a less than clever move, even without the other rather copious reasons.
Also for the record: Karim Hunt has a job. Colin Kaepernick does not.
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Doesn't Hunt still face a possible suspension for part/all of the upcoming season?
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html)
Two things. NFL likely was afraid of discovery, if the case moved forward. Kaepernick had his price.
Can't imagine Ghandi or MLK settling for cash, can you?
In the end, there was more Tawana Brawley than Rose Parks reflected in those knelt-downs of his.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html)
Two things. NFL likely was afraid of discovery, if the case moved forward. Kaepernick had his price.
Can't imagine Ghandi or MLK settling for cash, can you?
In the end, there was more Tawana Brawley than Rose Parks reflected in those knelt-downs of his.
We can't all be the stalwart defenders of civil rights that you are.
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Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
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Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
Or maybe we should just recognize that you are a racist fuck holding him to a stupid standard you do not hold.others to,, and would find some.way to criticize him regardless of what he did.
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Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
Or maybe we should just recognize that you are a racist fuck holding him to a stupid standard you do not hold.others to,, and would find some.way to criticize him regardless of what he did.
That's quite an assertion, barrister. But didn't they teach you in law school to support an argument with something factual?
The fact us, the QB who knelt for the oppressed, just cashed in. He took money, and went from kneeling down for his principled, to lying down for a payoff.
Find one post of mine that opposed his kneeling. Find a post where I chastised him for his race.
Then get back to me on that racist label you like to toss around as casually as your bigoted Ohioan friend uses the term Nazi, and apologize.
Recognize the you made a mistake, and own up to it.
If you're able to do so.
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Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
Or maybe we should just recognize that you are a racist fuck holding him to a stupid standard you do not hold.others to,, and would find some.way to criticize him regardless of what he did.
That's quite an assertion, barrister. But didn't they teach you in law school to support an argument with something factual?
The fact us, the QB who knelt for the oppressed, just cashed in. He took money, and went from kneeling down for his principled, to lying down for a payoff.
Find one post of mine that opposed his kneeling. Find a post where I chastised him for his race.
Then get back to me on that racist label you like to toss around as casually as your bigoted Ohioan friend uses the term Nazi, and apologize.
Recognize the you made a mistake, and own up to it.
If you're able to do so.
I called you a racist be ause you have demonstrated your racism in post after post, issue after issue, for.20 years on the NYT forum and here. You are a racist fuck. You would remain a racist fuck regardless of your position on Kaepernick.
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I see.
You have your own stats.
Clearly, then, you don't know the meaning of the word, counselor.
Off you go, now, back to a world of your own creation.
Do get back to us, once you've recovered from speaking with the devil himself.
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I used to wonder if you were a racist or just a fucking self righteous asshole. Then I realized they were not mutually exclusive alternatives.
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Kaep was probably unfairly denied the opportunity to ply his trade by owner collusion. I see no problem with him being compenansated for his lost opportunity and wages due to an illegal conspiracy.
As far as I know while he can not discuss the details of the settlement, he is free to speak his mind about any issue and continue to be a social actvist.
And this settlement is cheap for the NFL, probably $2-3 miilion max per owner, the cost of one bad contract, and they avoid the embarrassment of disclosed e-mails likely revealing the collusion, maybe racism, and maybe shots at Trump.
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This is not my work, so I can't attest to it, (I've done similar stuff) but others have checked off on this, so I'm posting it here.
It general it addresses and rebuts the "AFC East is easy" argument in discussing the Pats success.
"If you remove the winner of every division since 2001, and look at the records of only teams 2-4 against teams outside their division, the AFC East has the best record since 2001. In other words, teams 2-4 in the AFC East perform better against non-division opponents than the 2-4 teams in any other division. The AFC East is full of mediocre teams that would be 9-11 win teams in other divisions if they weren’t losing to the Patriots. It rarely has bum teams, like the Browns, Raiders, Jaguars were for so long."
So, no, “AFC East” is not a valid answer to this question.
https://twitter.com/PatriotsSBLIII/status/1060993804944183301 (https://twitter.com/PatriotsSBLIII/status/1060993804944183301)
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I used to wonder if you were a racist or just a fucking self righteous asshole. Then I realized they were not mutually exclusive alternatives.
I've never wondered about you, being the pretentious and supercilious boor that you are.
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I can literally think of no person on earth whose opinion I care less about than yours.
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I can literally think of no person on earth whose opinion I care less about than yours.
Sure you can
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Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
It's interesting that all of the people who have posted anywhere I read that think Kaepernick did something inappropriate by accepting the money are white. The rest of the voices are talking about how he beat the NFL and they are celebrating.
I think I'm on their team and it is no surprise to me that you don't root for them.
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Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
It's interesting that all of the people who have posted anywhere I read that think Kaepernick did something inappropriate by accepting the money are white. The rest of the voices are talking about how he beat the NFL and they are celebrating.
I think I'm on their team and it is no surprise to me that you don't root for them.
He can take the money. No problem. Just shows what his stance was all about. He's no Curt Flood.
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Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
It's interesting that all of the people who have posted anywhere I read that think Kaepernick did something inappropriate by accepting the money are white. The rest of the voices are talking about how he beat the NFL and they are celebrating.
I think I'm on their team and it is no surprise to me that you don't root for them.
He can take the money. No problem. Just shows what his stance was all about. He's no Curt Flood.
I totally agree that he was no Curt Flood.
OTOH, I don't think anybody made Curt Flood the kind of offer that the NFL made to Kaepernick. It might be that he would have been no Curt Flood, either.
My point about you remains.
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Robert Kraft busted for soliciting in Florida.
Kraft issues a denial of any wrong doing.
A late XXX-Mas present for the troll.
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Poor Myra.
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Robert Kraft busted for soliciting in Florida.
Kraft issues a denial of any wrong doing.
A late XXX-Mas present for the troll.
Goodell's present. And presenting facts isn't trolling.
Kraft the human trafficking owner in the NFL. Aaron Hernandez the murderer, likely bumped off in prison. Make it look like a suicide...
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You'd think a billionaire/public figure like Kraft might show a little more discretion than go to a strip mall rub n tug parlor for a blow-job.
Different stokes for...
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Inflate-gate.
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You'd think a billionaire/public figure like Kraft might show a little more discretion than go to a strip mall rub n tug parlor for a blow-job.
Different stokes for...
Supposedly, per.Adam Schefter, Kraft is not the biggest name on the list of people busted there. My guess is it is someone whose name rhymes with Ronald Stump. Or.at least I will start that rumor on the Facebook.
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Looking forward to the NY POST and Daily News covers, tomorrow.
That said, surprised Mr. Morality, Joshie, hasn't been here, yet, to condemn the NFL, who declared Kaepernick unfit for the league, but will likely keep this fat bastard around.
There was a rumor that Kraft wanted Kaepernick as a back-up QB for 2019, but Colin wouldn't go down on both knees.
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You'd think a billionaire/public figure like Kraft might show a little more discretion than go to a strip mall rub n tug parlor for a blow-job.
Different stokes for...
Supposedly, per.Adam Schefter, Kraft is not the biggest name on the list of people busted there. My guess is it is someone whose name rhymes with Ronald Stump. Or.at least I will start that rumor on the Facebook.
Trump and Tiger Woods seem to be the popular choices among the unwashed masses.
I'm going to go with Mitch McConnell he seems like a strip mall rub n tug guy and he has a thing for Chinese women.
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Reminds me of the story often credited ( probably in error) to Giant great Alex Webster.
I paid $5 grand for her boob job and she was happy.
Then I paid $15kfor her facelift and she was even happier. ( and so was I)
But when I paid a hundred bucks for a blow job she was pissed!
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http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=D&tfp_id=NY_DN (http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=D&tfp_id=NY_DN)
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http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=N&tfp_id=NY_NYP (http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=N&tfp_id=NY_NYP)
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/25/us/robert-kraft-solicitation/index.html
More details than you want to know.
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CNN on Monday obtained a new statement from the NFL regarding Kraft and the league's personal conduct policy. "Our Personal Conduct Policy applies equally to everyone in the NFL," the statement said.
"We will handle this allegation in the same way we would handle any issue under the Policy. We are seeking a full understanding of the facts, while ensuring that we do not interfere with an ongoing law enforcement investigation. We will take appropriate action as warranted based on the facts.
The investigation needs to be complete. The Shield must get protected. Get him out of the league.
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CNN on Monday obtained a new statement from the NFL regarding Kraft and the league's personal conduct policy. "Our Personal Conduct Policy applies equally to everyone in the NFL," the statement said.
"We will handle this allegation in the same way we would handle any issue under the Policy. We are seeking a full understanding of the facts, while ensuring that we do not interfere with an ongoing law enforcement investigation. We will take appropriate action as warranted based on the facts.
The investigation needs to be complete. The Shield must get protected. Get him out of the league.
Nobody's kicking him out of the league, Piggy.
He didn't kneel during the National Anthem, after all. Hell, he didn't even hit the women (girls?).
No biggy in NFL circles. Besides, he's friends with Trump and the NFL has worked very hard to get onto Trump's good side.
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In the town i used to live in there was one of those big-box retailers called BJ's. I went in and was thoroughly unimpressed with the service. I had to finish myself off and didn't bother leaving a tip.
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In the town i used to live in there was one of those big-box retailers called BJ's. I went in and was thoroughly unimpressed with the service. I had to finish myself off and didn't bother leaving a tip.
The local paper in Akron, the Beacon Journal, goes by its initials, A BJ.
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The frequently middle-aged women who work in parlors with names like Orchids of Asia and Rainbow Spa are often struggling to pay off high debts to family members, loan sharks, labor traffickers and lawyers who help them file phony asylum claims. In some cases, their passports are taken and their illegal immigration status keeps them further in the shadows, with some of them rotated every 10 days to two weeks between spas operated by the same owners. Forced to pay for their own supplies and even their own condoms, many women must sleep on the same massage tables where they service customers and cook on hot plates in cramped kitchens or on back steps.
Will anyone ask Robert Kraft about all of this?I bet not.
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The frequently middle-aged women who work in parlors with names like Orchids of Asia and Rainbow Spa are often struggling to pay off high debts to family members, loan sharks, labor traffickers and lawyers who help them file phony asylum claims. In some cases, their passports are taken and their illegal immigration status keeps them further in the shadows, with some of them rotated every 10 days to two weeks between spas operated by the same owners. Forced to pay for their own supplies and even their own condoms, many women must sleep on the same massage tables where they service customers and cook on hot plates in cramped kitchens or on back steps.
Will anyone ask Robert Kraft about all of this?I bet not.
I would be surprised if the liberal media did not ask him such questions, given his connections to the president - and that the majority of the liberal media is outside of Boston and unlikely to want to skip a chance to embarrass the Patriots.
However, at least from the available evidence so far (which is pretty skimpy), the women who were arrested with him don't fit any of the descriptions you included. And money laundering to go along with running a prositution ring or a brothel is not nearly at the level that was suggested in the early reporting on the topic.
I sure hope that if there was sex trafficking that the folks behind it get nailed. And, for all that I doubt Kraft knew the background, should he prove to have known what the situation was and that it was trafficking, then they'd best throw the bookcase at him.
Misdemeanor prostitution, OTOH, would not be worth anybody's time to publicize were it not Bob Kraft.
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OTOH, would not be worth anybody's time to publicize were it not Bob Kraft
The NFL will probably adopt the "Tug Rule".
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OTOH, would not be worth anybody's time to publicize were it not Bob Kraft
The NFL will probably adopt the "Tug Rule".
There's a joke about over-inflated balls here to be made.
How they even find out? Spygate 2; The second coming
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Just when the Browns were starting to look decent
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Browns are going to be fun to watch.
And good.
G-Men got a pretty decent package for OBJ. (1st 3rd and safety Peppers)
But they should have traded him last year.
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Browns are going to be fun to watch.
And good.
G-Men got a pretty decent package for OBJ. (1st 3rd and safety Peppers)
But they should have traded him last year.
That's a lot of offensive skill talent. I did not expect the Browns to be in Go For Broke mode now. But adding OBJ, Richardson and Vernon... I think they eye the decay of the Steelers and the status of the Ravens and think there is a huge hole to exploit.
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Browns are going to be fun to watch.
And good.
G-Men got a pretty decent package for OBJ. (1st 3rd and safety Peppers)
But they should have traded him last year.
That's a lot of offensive skill talent. I did not expect the Browns to be in Go For Broke mode now. But adding OBJ, Richardson and Vernon... I think they eye the decay of the Steelers and the status of the Ravens and think there is a huge hole to exploit.
AFC North up for grabs and Browns look like they got a guy who can make tough catches.
Earl Thomas rumored to be up next.
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Mind you as a Cleveland fan I fully expect either catastrophic injuries and a 5 - 11 record, or a fumble by Jarvis Landry while twisting into the end zone with the game winning touchdown with a minute left in the AFC Championship game.
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Not good Gettleman.
Gettleman never completely tamped down trade rumors that swirled last year about Beckham, who was in the late stages of his rookie contract. But Gettleman invested heavily in Beckham on a five-year extension worth $95 million -- he made more than $21 million last season -- a deal that seemed to cement the receiver’s future with the Giants. And now, a year into the deal, it’s over in New York, and Beckham will leave behind a whopping $16 million in “dead money” on the salary cap this year.
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Not good Gettleman.
Gettleman never completely tamped down trade rumors that swirled last year about Beckham, who was in the late stages of his rookie contract. But Gettleman invested heavily in Beckham on a five-year extension worth $95 million -- he made more than $21 million last season -- a deal that seemed to cement the receiver’s future with the Giants. And now, a year into the deal, it’s over in New York, and Beckham will leave behind a whopping $16 million in “dead money” on the salary cap this year.
That will sure help them to bounce back this season. Eli all the way!
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gonna be a tough seson for Opie.
and maybe a tougher one for Saquon.
G-men taking a page out of the Knicks play book.
Next year Zion!
or Tua
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Since today everything becomes official....
... both trades were actually processed by the NFL as one deal. The net effect was that the Browns received Beckham and Vernon in exchange for Zeitler, Peppers, a 1st-round pick, (17) and a 3rd-round pick (95).
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Giants have the #6, and thanks to Odell the #17, and the #97
Trade up to #1. Get Kyler Murray.
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Fuckin A, Gmen
Long overdue - and they get a Pro Bowler (and a local) in Peppers.
Picks are fucking gravy
Eli starts 2 more seasons.
And thanks, Jets for keeping Leveon away from Ravens.
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Peppers is going into year 3. He's a former first rounder but not a Pro-Bowl player yet. He's like the Eli Apple of the Browns. But hopefully better.
Bethea - the other safety the Giants acquired - is the former Pro Bowl player.
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Peppers is going into year 3. He's a former first rounder but not a Pro-Bowl player yet. He's like the Eli Apple of the Browns. But hopefully better.
Bethea - the other safety the Giants acquired - is the former Pro Bowl player.
Peppers.got better in year 2, but he has not been anything like a pro bowl player.
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I would say just going by fan posts that something like 3 out of every 4 NY Giant fans hate the trade. And of those who hate the trade there is a percentage i can't determine that has jumped ship completely knowing the team has given up on a generational player in his prime. Maybe 10%. I think the Giants figure they will regain that 10% when they start winning again... but that won't be in 2019. They are 32nd in Active Money on the cap and 1st in dead money. They're essentially paying guys to play elsewhere this year.
2019 is dead before it begins. It's a tank and purge salary season ripped out of the pages of the NBA.
2020 on the other hand, will see the Giants with some $80 mil in cap space.
Two faith-based questions.
Do you have faith this regime can find Eli's successor?
Do you have faith this regime can spend the cap space wisely?
After watching the about-face on Collins and Beckham... faith is in short supply.
I happen to think the Giants will be better after the Odell trade than they would have been trying to win 8 games with offensive weapons and no defense and an immobile QB
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The Giants are making some strange moves. Are they trying to pressure Eli to retire? Or, is there something that is clearly beyond our view?
Either way, it looks like the ownership may be heavily involved.
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Peppers is going into year 3. He's a former first rounder but not a Pro-Bowl player yet. He's like the Eli Apple of the Browns. But hopefully better.
Bethea - the other safety the Giants acquired - is the former Pro Bowl player.
Peppers.got better in year 2, but he has not been anything like a pro bowl player.
Stay tuned
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The Giants are making some strange moves. Are they trying to pressure Eli to retire?
My current reading of the tea-leaves:
- Giants have said recently they're following the Kansas City model; draft a QB have him sit for some time and watch an accomplished veteran do the job.
- Giants have recently said they've acquired draft capital in the Odell deal. Meaning at #6 and #17 they're planning to trade up to 1 or 2 or 3 or 4. (This might not happen until the draft itself as they're watching for who is trying to trade up to #5)
- They're taking a QB. (They SAY they like Haskins but this is the time of year everyone lies.)
- Eli will remain and start for half the season then hand over the reins to the newly-minted starter with the short apprenticeship.
- Every other pick the giants make next month will be on the defensive side of the ball or O-line depth/competition.
- Giants will keep targeting bargain bin Free Agents. A WR is the priority.
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But i could be wrong. Maybe the Giants like Rosen more than Haskins or Murray.
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One last thing about the KC-model.
Ty Hill is a free agent in 2020.
That's your ideal Odell replacement when you have more money to spend than any other team.
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The Giants are making some strange moves. Are they trying to pressure Eli to retire?
My current reading of the tea-leaves:
- Giants will keep targeting bargain bin Free Agents. A WR is the priority.
Golden Tate gets $9mil annual contact from NYG where $23mil is guaranteed
(4yr/37.5mil)
Veteran WR - Check
Next move: veteran LB
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He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!
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He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!
But the cousin who could never decide if he was going to play or not might have been the best of them all, but we will never know.
Hesi Tate.
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In what can be described as a Golden day for the Giants, the G-Men have announced the signing of OLB Markus Golden to a one year deal.
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He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!
But the cousin who could never decide if he was going to play or not might have been the best of them all, but we will never know.
Hesi Tate.
He took after their french cousin Immi Tate.
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In what can be described as a Golden day for the Giants, the G-Men have announced the signing of OLB Markus Golden to a one year deal.
And the hot dog vendors have signed a deal with Golden's Mustard.
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No interest shown in trading for Robbie Gould
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unimpressed
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Kareem Hunt gets an 8 game suspension.
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He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!
But the cousin who could never decide if he was going to play or not might have been the best of them all, but we will never know.
Hesi Tate.
He took after their french cousin Immi Tate.
I hope he's made a will. Wouldn't want to see him end up like his Uncle, Intes Tate.
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Q Williams
N Bosa
J Allen
The QBs are overrated as usual.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2827187-cam-newton-giving-up-sex-for-a-month-hopes-it-makes-my-mind-stronger?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
I can imagine why he might believe that this would help him.
I cannot fathom what he thinks announcing it is going to accomplish that will be good for anybody, himself included.
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Gronk is not giving up sex.
However he is giving up the NFL.
And announces his retirement.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/03/24/star-patriots-tight-end-rob-gronkowski-announces-retiring/17QTnd1UOUEvOuSLAKNDOO/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/03/24/star-patriots-tight-end-rob-gronkowski-announces-retiring/17QTnd1UOUEvOuSLAKNDOO/story.html)
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Probably my favorite NE Patriot of All-Time. Or least hated Patriot.
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Suddenly realized I no longer care about most mock drafts. Tho the last multi-rounder I looked at mentioned a DB named Chauncey Gardner-Johnson to the Browns in R2. I'd like to watch him. Respect to his parents for the name.
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2nd Round?
Any concerns about him being there for the Browns?
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2nd Round?
Any concerns about him being there for the Browns?
I have zero clue who will be available at 2/17.
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2nd Round?
Any concerns about him being there for the Browns?
I have zero clue who will be available at 2/17.
Not quite the response I was expecting, I thought you might go with, “In a garden, things grow . . . but first, they must wither; trees have to lose their leaves (turn BROWN) in order to put forth new leaves, and to grow thicker and stronger and taller. "
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PI calls now reviewable
Saints tears worked.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26367953/pass-interference-now-reviewable-nfl-officials (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26367953/pass-interference-now-reviewable-nfl-officials)
PHOENIX -- NFL owners have approved a massive philosophical expansion of its replay review system, bowing to pressure from coaches and fans who were outraged by a missed pass interference call in the NFC Championship Game.
For at least the 2019 season, pass interference -- both offensive and defensive -- will be reviewable, the first penalties and judgment calls ever to be added to the list of approved reviews
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Apparently the Coaches had voted 32-0 on another proposal to make ALL plays (rouching the passer, etc) reviewable and aren't thrilled with this compromise.
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Its a good bet this results in one reffing standard for 58 minutes (let 'em play) and another for ticky-tack BS incidental contact/PI calls in the the last 2 minutes
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https://www.patriots.com/news/statements-from-greg-schiano-and-bill-belichick
I am grateful to Greg Schiano for his years of service to the Patriots and his commitment to the New England community.
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Josh Rosen for the Patriots #2 (56) and a #3 (73)
Pats take a TE in the first rd (32)
Rosen and they also have the (64) (97) (101)
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Rosen trade?
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/4/1/18289665/josh-rosen-trade-destinations-kyler-murray-arizona-cardinals (https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/4/1/18289665/josh-rosen-trade-destinations-kyler-murray-arizona-cardinals)
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Pats fans... the Giants #17 pick is in play for a trade up to draft your TE.
Caveat being the Giants targets at 17 are gone and they haven't already used the pick as capital to move up.
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Pats usually don't trade up, BB often trades down to pick up additional draft picks.
As I recall there are supposed to be a few attractive TE in this year's draft so maybe the Pats snag a guy with a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
IMO their priorities are young edge guy/rusher WR (several) TE, LB, CB, QB
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So much for the AAF replacing college football.
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Pats fans... the Giants #17 pick is in play for a trade up to draft your TE.
No
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Pats fans... the Giants #17 pick is in play for a trade up to draft your TE.
No
What are you addressing your no to and why?
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What? Maybe you should just re-read it.
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What? Maybe you should just re-read it.
I re-read your answer of no several times.
Your reasons are still not apparent.
Your answer "no" could be answered from either side of a trade, the Pats or Giants and for different reasons.
I asked your reasons for your 1-word answer of "no" to Kam's proposed swap asked presumably with a Patriot's fan perspective.
Is it not enough for the Giants, too much for the Pats, or what are you saying no to and why?
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Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.
He thinks he drafted Zion.
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NGlFL draft starts tonight! Can't wait to see who the Browns take at 17!
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Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.
He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.
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Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.
He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.
I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.
17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.
I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.
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Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.
He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.
I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.
17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.
I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.
I would not have taken him in the first round, unless I had a QB like Brady or Rodgers. Sit him a year or two and if he did not work out quietly boot him to the curb. Otherwise, he is "your guy" and you stick with him, and if he is mediocre, you don't improve the position until you have wasted 5 years of your team.
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Giants didnt like the OSU kid
Giants had Jones rated substantially ahead of the other options
Giants were concerned a team drafting later than 17 would trade up for Jones if thye passed at 6
Giants options therefore were:
1 - Take Jones at 6
2 - Trade up after making the pick at 6, maybe to 10 as Steelers did - then take Jones there
3 - ROLL THE DICE that you may lose your guy Jones, end up with a second defender at 17, worst case. Maybe then look at Rosen (who you may not rate highly) or deal up to LATE 1 and take a lesser QB like Grier.
Option 1 was OK by me. Jones starts in 2021-22.
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Giants didnt like the OSU kid
Giants had Jones rated substantially ahead of the other options
Giants were concerned a team drafting later than 17 would trade up for Jones if thye passed at 6
Giants options therefore were:
1 - Take Jones at 6
2 - Trade up after making the pick at 6, maybe to 10 as Steelers did - then take Jones there
3 - ROLL THE DICE that you may lose your guy Jones, end up with a second defender at 17, worst case. Maybe then look at Rosen (who you may not rate highly) or deal up to LATE 1 and take a lesser QB like Grier.
Option 1 was OK by me. Jones starts in 2021-22.
Your reasoning is correct. It is the player I disagree with. And remember, I thought the Browns spit the bit last year with Mayfield so I clearly know what I am talking about.
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With the qualifier that I no squat about most college football players, I'm generally happy with the Pats approach through round 3.
they addressed my sense of their need (edge guy, WR, CB) and I think they got some talented players to get younger.
IMO They still could use a TE and maybe another WR, and at some point have to address the QB question, but all in all, I think so far they've done a good job.
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Stridham is a good gamble. He went from a potential Heisman and top pick at.the start of the year to the fourth round.
I had Greedy Williams as a potential pick when we held 17. Got him 30 picks later.
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?
I take it your not an HBO subscriber?
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
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Guess you missed this: https://youtu.be/HRa7mQg73Eg (https://youtu.be/HRa7mQg73Eg)
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?
I take it your not an HBO subscriber?
I'm not, but even if I had been I would not have been watching last night.
Battle of Winterfell, then?
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Favorite draft quote: "Daniel Jones looks like.the actor they'd cast to play Eli Manning in a movie about Peyton Manning... ."
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Playoffs Totals Table
Rk Player From To G QBrec Cmp Att Cmp%Yds TD Rate Lng Int Sk rushYds
1 E Manning 2005 2016 12 8-4-0 242 400 60.5 2815 18 87.4 72 9 27 155
2 P Manning 1999 2015 27 14-13-0 649 1027 63.2 7339 40 87.4 87 25 40 298
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As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.
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As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.
I think so. But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.
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As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.
I think so. But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.
I think that argument depends on what you're rating.
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?
I take it your not an HBO subscriber?
I'm not, but even if I had been I would not have been watching last night.
Battle of Winterfell, then?
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Likely beats watching Chris Dale, at the moment.
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?
I take it your not an HBO subscriber?
I'm not, but even if I had been I would not have been watching last night.
Battle of Winterfell, then?
Whatever you might have done last night I hope you found it worthwhile and or enjoyable.
You missed an epic 80-minute battle and an all-time classic CFBW. Things looked dire for the hometown defenders of humanity as it looked like the Night King was all but assured of scoring a decisive and crushing victory. His relentless ground game together with an aerial attack shredded the Targ-Stark defense, and led him to 1st and Bran, and all but ready to snatch and crush mankind.
But in an unexpected development, the north pick-6ed the Night-King for the win.
Perhaps the greatest swing in win probability since Malcolm Butler's picked Russell Wilson.
I'm pretty sure kid had the White Walkers and the over.
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?
I take it your not an HBO subscriber?
"Game of Thrones" creator George R.R. Martin is UNLOADING on the New York Giants ... blasting the team for taking relatively unknown Duke QB Daniel Jones.
Martin -- the brain behind 'GoT' -- happens to be a HUGE fan of the New York football teams ... and like so many other G-Men fans, he's distraught over this weekend's draft.
"Daniel Jones from Duke at number six?" Martin wrote on his website ... "Yes, they need a young quarterback to groom as Eli’s successor. But Dwayne Haskins was right there. Why not him?"
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heh - stick to dragons George
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George R.R. Martin went to Northwestern. He likely thinks Thorson would have been a better pick.
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But in an unexpected development, the north pick-6ed the Night-King for the win.
Perhaps the greatest swing in win probability since Malcolm Butler's picked Russell Wilson.
I'm pretty sure kid had the White Walkers and the over.
When NK just casually walked up to the 1 yd line all cool and Oberin-like with his linemen distracted it gave the free safety just the opening needed.
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As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.
I think so. But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.
Eli got to the playoffs, based on what you posted, 6 times in 12 seasons.
Peyton got to the playoffs 15 times in 17 seasons.
I think Eli is overrated.
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As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.
I think so. But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.
Opie's HoF credentials consist of 2 good 4th qtrs in the SB, and his ability to avoid injury. He played a lot of games, and he has been a beneficiary of inflated passing stats due to changes in the game.
He'll probably get in to Canton, but IMO he was at best, on average a 10-12th ranked QB (top 1/3) annually for the first part of his career, and pretty average for the past several years. IMO he was good/a little above average, but nowhere near a HoF QB.
I haven't checked his stats in awhile, but IIRC the only annual stat he led the league in was interceptions, which he did 3-times.
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I actually don't see/hear Eli "rated" very often. Thus tough for him to be OVER or UNDER.
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I actually don't see/hear Eli "rated" very often. Thus tough for him to be OVER or UNDER.
Eli's been under a ton of scrutiny over the past few years, and certainly the past two years. His benching in '17 ultimately got a coach fired, and there was the heated debate when the Giants used the #2 pick in the '18 draft on a running back rather than a new QB, in a draft with several potential successors.
To say you hven't heard him rated suggests you are deaf to the obvious roar.
How would you rate him?
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Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.
He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.
I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.
17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.
I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.
Gettleman is an idiot.
And I'm being kind.
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The Mara's are also idiots.
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My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.
https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
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My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.
https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)
Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
I like Opie too.
And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.
But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.
Otis does though.
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
I like Opie too.
And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.
But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.
Otis does though.
I look at all Hall debates as a comparison thing. I think Eli has been at least as good as Bob Griese.
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
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Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.
He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.
I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.
17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.
I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.
Gettleman is an idiot.
And I'm being kind.
nope
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I actually don't see/hear Eli "rated" very often. Thus tough for him to be OVER or UNDER.
Eli's been under a ton of scrutiny over the past few years, and certainly the past two years. His benching in '17 ultimately got a coach fired, and there was the heated debate when the Giants used the #2 pick in the '18 draft on a running back rather than a new QB, in a draft with several potential successors.
To say you hven't heard him rated suggests you are deaf to the obvious roar.
How would you rate him?
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I am fine with how NYG are handling the final stages of Eli's tenure. I have already stated a few times that I would not have passed on Barkley.
And I have stated I have Jones starting in '21-'22. If its sooner, that is fine. Means he looks ready - and that would be a good thing.
I did like the one other QB who we could have gotten much later - and thus would have been OK with not taking a round 1 guy. But he can play. Just means we don't have to use a 1 or 2 next year on the position.
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
Yeah, but you've got a very small head.
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
Yeah, but you've got a very small head.
Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.
you're pathetic
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
If people think he should be in the Hall of Fame, then those people are overrating him.
Not suggesting he is not beloved or that he didn't have a distinguished career.
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
I like Opie too.
And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.
But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.
Otis does though.
I look at all Hall debates as a comparison thing. I think Eli has been at least as good as Bob Griese.
And far better than Rabbit Maranville!
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Yep. And Jess Haines too!
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
If people think he should be in the Hall of Fame, then those people are overrating him.
Not suggesting he is not beloved or that he didn't have a distinguished career.
I don't know..... NFL, like Pro Basketball HOF -is a bit funny.If looking at who is in is one way of determining IF you get in, well..........
If you just want to do the IS HE or ISNT HE approach by having watched him, fine - think what you like of the 3rd Manning. Eli isn't a guy that WOWS anyone.......but winners often don't.
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
If people think he should be in the Hall of Fame, then those people are overrating him.
Not suggesting he is not beloved or that he didn't have a distinguished career.
I don't know..... NFL, like Pro Basketball HOF -is a bit funny.If looking at who is in is one way of determining IF you get in, well..........
If you just want to do the IS HE or ISNT HE approach by having watched him, fine - think what you like of the 3rd Manning. Eli isn't a guy that WOWS anyone.......but winners often don't.
heh
that's a persuasive helluva case for Eli.
I think watching him play is a start to determining Eli's HoF-worthiness.
How did he compare to his peers?
And IMO if you bother to check the stats you'll find he pretty much defines maybe slightly above average (top 10-12ish/top 1/3).
is HoF case rests on 2 good SB 4th qtrs and longevity.
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
I like Opie too.
And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.
But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.
Otis does though.
You can like Eli without putting the Gold Jacket on him.
Now there is the argument that the 2 SBs victories (and who they beat) are enough to get him in.
I think that would be the strongest platform he has to stand on.
Beating the best team of all time.
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Everyone likes Opie.
That's not really a point of contention.
He's likeable, earnest, and honest as the day is long.
Although you might want to double-check the game used #10 jersey hanging in the rec room.
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
I like Opie too.
And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.
But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.
Otis does though.
You can like Eli without putting the Gold Jacket on him.
Now there is the argument that the 2 SBs victories (and who they beat) are enough to get him in.
I think that would be the strongest platform he has to stand on.
Beating the best team of all time.
Not really even a discussion on whether Eli will be enshrined. Has the stats, the unsurpassed durability and the rings.
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
Yeah, but you've got a very small head.
Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.
you're pathetic
Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
I like Opie too.
And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.
But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.
Otis does though.
You can like Eli without putting the Gold Jacket on him.
Now there is the argument that the 2 SBs victories (and who they beat) are enough to get him in.
I think that would be the strongest platform he has to stand on.
Beating the best team of all time.
The word is CLUTCH: The Giants entered the playoffs as the #5-seed.[121] On January 6, 2008, in the Wild Card Round, Manning went 20-of-27 for 185 yards playing on the road against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The underdog Giants won 24–14, and Manning had two touchdown passes.[122]
On January 13, 2008, in the Divisional Round Manning led the Giants to an upset victory over the heavily favored Dallas Cowboys, the number one seed in the NFC.[123] For the third straight game, Manning played well, completing 12 of 18 passes for 163 yards and two touchdowns with no interceptions.[123] The Giants were the first team to beat an NFC number one seed in the Divisional Round since the start of the 12-team format in 1990.[124] This victory secured an NFC Championship berth against the Green Bay Packers on Sunday, January 20, 2008. In the NFC Championship, the Giants beat the Packers in overtime, with a score of 23–20.[125] The dramatic victory secured Manning and the Giants a trip to Super Bowl XLII.[126] This was the first Super Bowl appearance for the New York Giants since Super Bowl XXXV in 2001,[127] and their first Super Bowl victory since Super Bowl XXV.
....Trailing 14-10 with 2:42 remaining, Manning led the Giants 83 yards on a game-winning touchdown drive. On a crucial third-and-5 at the Giants' 44-yard line, Manning connected with David Tyree on a play in which he avoided several near-sacks and Tyree caught the ball off his helmet for a large gain. Four plays later, Plaxico Burress caught a 13-yard touchdown pass with just 35 seconds remaining for the winning margin.[130] Manning became only the second quarterback in NFL history to throw two go-ahead fourth-quarter touchdowns in a Super Bowl (Joe Montana being the first).[131] Manning also became the first quarterback to throw a last-minute, championship-winning touchdown in the NFL title game (including the pre-Super Bowl era) when a field goal would not at least tie the game.[132] Following the Giants' monumental victory, Manning and the coaching staff spoke briefly with President George W. Bush.[133]
Manning was named the Most Valuable Player of Super Bowl XLII.[134] He and his brother Peyton are the only brother combination to play at quarterback in the Super Bowl and the only set of brothers to win Super Bowl MVP, doing so in successive years....
Wikipedia.
CLUTCH. TWO TIME MVP. Durable. Winner. HOFer.
Pat's fans jealous, because they know with Eli instead of Brady, they'd be undefeated in all those other Super Bowls.
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
Yeah, but you've got a very small head.
Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.
you're pathetic
Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.
Troll-I'm glad you understand and accept you are a pathetic stalker and an insecure piece of shit.
And because of your depravity and insecurity I've changed my #s.
You have nothing.
SSDD
And to suggest that Pat fans are jealous of Eli is beyond laughable.
The troll is the biggest homer on this board and is probably incapable of understanding how fucking inane is homerism is.
TFF
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Let's see "Opie" not only made TB12 cry after beating him twice in the Super Bowl, he also has won two Academy Awards, four Emmys, a Grammy, two Golden Globes, and has been nominated for 7 BAFTA Awards. He additionally received the National Medal of Arts in 2003 as well as two stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for his contributions.
Sounds like a HOFer to me.
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Eli probably benefits from the lack of any compelling other QB for the Jetropolitans or the Giants since Ken O'Brien and Philly Simms.
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Eli probably benefits from the lack of any compelling other QB for the Jetropolitans or the Giants since Ken O'Brien and Philly Simms.
That's probably true. And to extend it, the lack of pro-sports star-power and championships in the NYC metro other than the Yankees for the better part of this century, has created a celebrity vacuum that Eli with 2 rings sort of inherited, despite non-superstar performance.
For whatever reasons fans need heroes.
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Jeter is better.
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Celebrity vacuum? Ha! It's New York! We don't need know stinking celebrities! The city itself is a celebrity. Unlike that razed set of hills they used to fill in the swamp around Boston Habba!
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My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.
https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)
Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.
No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
I agree. Sometimes it's hard to draw the line between the eras, though this isn't the case this time.
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Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.
He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.
I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.
17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.
I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.
Gettleman is an idiot.
And I'm being kind.
nope
Opinions vary. FTR I hope mine is wrong.
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
Yeah, but you've got a very small head.
Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.
you're pathetic
Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.
Troll-I'm glad you understand and accept you are a pathetic stalker and an insecure piece of shit.
And because of your depravity and insecurity I've changed my #s.
You have nothing.
SSDD
And to suggest that Pat fans are jealous of Eli is beyond laughable.
The troll is the biggest homer on this board and is probably incapable of understanding how fucking inane is homerism is.
TFF
C'mon Rich, you have to admit that Hammy has a way bigger head than any you've ever seen before. I'm sure he's got double doors throughout his house.
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Troll
you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.
the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers
and they identify with players heroes.
For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".
and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.
the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.
The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.
Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
Yeah, but you've got a very small head.
Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.
you're pathetic
Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.
Troll-I'm glad you understand and accept you are a pathetic stalker and an insecure piece of shit.
And because of your depravity and insecurity I've changed my #s.
You have nothing.
SSDD
And to suggest that Pat fans are jealous of Eli is beyond laughable.
The troll is the biggest homer on this board and is probably incapable of understanding how fucking inane is homerism is.
TFF
C'mon Rich, you have to admit that Hammy has a way bigger head than any you've ever seen before. I'm sure he's got double doors throughout his house.
I'm going to quible a bit cap.
I'm not sure how big the troll's head is, but it certainly is the emptiest and devoid of content. So it is probably fair to say he probably has the greatest amount of avaialble empty space ear-to ear and chin to the top of his pointy head.
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My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.
https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)
Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.
No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.
I saw it once.
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the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars
Lin Manuel Miranda would like to dispute your position.
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the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars
Lin Manuel Miranda would like to dispute your position.
LMM walks down most any street in NYC and 99 of 100 people won't have a clue who he is, unless he's in costume or wearing a LMM game jersey.
There's mass market in NYC of millions who gets fed sports content 24/7 and an elite market a fraction of that that uses ticket brokers to buy $1000 tickets months in advance.
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I heard that Thairo Estrada is going to be in a road production of "Hamilton."
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I heard that Thairo Estrada is going to be in a road production of "Hamilton."
Give him a pony tail and colonial garb he couild pass for LMM and know one will be wiser...
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The injustice system at work: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/judge-orders-robert-kraft-to-appear-in-court-video-thrown-out-in-related-case-001600644.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/judge-orders-robert-kraft-to-appear-in-court-video-thrown-out-in-related-case-001600644.html)
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My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.
https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)
Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.
No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.
No. I admitted I was wrong about you and your emailed opinions regarding Levine, cap. Funny how you show two faces, despite the size of your own little cue ball.
You may now fuck off.
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Troll
you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.
the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers
and they identify with players heroes.
For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".
and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.
the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.
The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.
Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions
Your obsession with me is only overshadowed by your inability to ever say anything that even has a hint of fact contained within it, Bitch Levine.
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poor sad troll
everyone here has seen your depravity and sickness and your lies and constant deceit.
You fool no one.
Except perhaps yourself.
SSDD
No one here wants anything to do with you/
You are filth.
Now go back to your corner of shame and pee your pants in frustration.
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https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/
Gettleman!!!
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Yeah, I know - Barkley was a bad pick
heh
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I believe at the time I suggested more than once that Barkely was a luxury item for a team that had a lot of pressing needs, (I think I comped him to a Bentley when a pick-up truck was required) and thought if a franchise QB was not found (I was partial to Darnold ) then the #2 might be traded for a basket of high picks to hasten the Giants rebuild. I also wanted OBJ traded. (At least they got that right, if a year late). But I was told by more than one Giant fan they were a post-season team.
They weren't.
There's little question Barkely is a very good player. But I'm comfortable with my analysis.
The risk now is that Danny boy is not the guy and could push a rebuild another 3+ years down the road.
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Bitch Levine is wrong.
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Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
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Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.
Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.
I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,
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The latest Patriot scandal: Tom Brady caught vandalizing Hollywood mansion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTXSRRSv1bY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTXSRRSv1bY)
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Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.
Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.
I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,
The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.
But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.
Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".
Sad post action posturing....
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kid
as you are well aware, after the Giants disappointing '18 season, there has been a ton of 2nd guessing among NFL pundits, experts, Giant reporters and fans of the Giant draft strategy and the Barkely pick in particular. Many mirroring my opinion.
However as you know my analysis and criticism was before that draft. And as you may recall i was high on Bentley, just not as a #2 pick in the entire draft for a team that had so many holes to fix.
That #2 pick could have been turned into a 1,2,3,and 4 round picks (starting at the #4th) using the NFL value matrix.
And as you know it wasn't a 2nd guess, it was my analysis of need and how to best rebuild the team.
And time will tell, and Jones may be the long-term QB answer and Barkely the perfect complimentary running back.
But I would have preferred driving something more sensible than a Bentley, and maybe paid down the mortgage, put aside money for kid's college, throw a few bucks into the retirement funds, and rebuild the O=line and defense.
And maybe I would have gotten 24 MPG in the less sexy but more sensible Volvo wagon.
YMMV
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Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.
Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.
I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,
The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.
But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.
Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".
Sad post action posturing....
I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.
My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.
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Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.
Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.
I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,
Oh, look! Mije Francesca's opinion dropped by. Probably easier just to provide the link to WFAN, next time, Bitch Levine.
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Oh look the poor sad troll is pissing his pants again.
I must have upset the psychotic asshole, again.
Too bad., and get used to it.
Francesa liked Darnold, but he was still in camp Eli a year ago, and wanted to build around Eli, and he thought they could win last year, and thought sitting Darnold and not playing him would have been a waste of a very high pick.
It was similiar to his objections to them drafting Danny Jones at #6, and sitting behind Eli. He thinks its a waste of a pick when they had so many needs, like an O-line and defense.
Its what I said a year ago.
and fwiw, I've no opinion on Jones, other than it appears to have been a pretty big reach, and he quite likely would have been there at #17.
never know.
And anyone want to rent the empty space in the troll's head.
I've owned it for years, but while its fun to fuck around with, I don't get much use of it anymore.
Although flying paper airplanes in there is kind of fun, or throwing a frisbee, there's plenty of empty space in there.
no reasonable offer will be refused.
heh
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Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.
Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.
I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,
The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.
But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.
Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".
Sad post action posturing....
I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.
My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.
not to go all Abraham Maslow on you boz, but in the NFL there is a hierarchy of needs that usually goes
QB
edge rusher
Tackle
corner
safety
TE
and running back generally falls somewhere between TE and long-snapper
and in your example the Browns stuck to this hierarchy in the '18 draft with Mayfield at 1 and Garrett at 4.
Having secured their hoped for franchise QB, it wouldn't have been crazy for Barkely at #4, but they nailed their real needs first.
I
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Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.
Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.
I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,
The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.
But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.
Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".
Sad post action posturing....
I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.
My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.
not to go all Abraham Maslow on you boz, but in the NFL there is a hierarchy of needs that usually goes
QB
edge rusher
Tackle
corner
safety
TE
and running back generally falls somewhere between TE and long-snapper
and in your example the Browns stuck to this hierarchy in the '18 draft with Mayfield at 1 and Garrett at 4.
Having secured their hoped for franchise QB, it wouldn't have been crazy for Barkely at #4, but they nailed their real needs first.
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Ward. Garrett was the year before. We passed on a Chubb at 4, a decision I was ok with, but would not have made.
After the first four, though, I think the ranking depends on your team philosophy. A pocket pusher at DT, RB and WR would be before TE for most teams. But if you identify a unique talent at a normal position, I think you take him. You build offenses around uniquely talented players. That is why TE was a more valuable position for NE than most teams.
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Mixed up Ward and Garrett but the hierarchy still holds.
And agree that after nailing down the basics, QB, edge rusher, O-line, CB, a GM can free-lance for specific needs.
But its tough to build an offense around a running back when your O-line sucks.
IMO the point remains that the Giants were nowhere near nailing down the basics and bought a Bentley, but are 3 months behind on the mortgage payments.
As an aside, with Gronk's retirement, the Pats really don't have a TE, so it may be interesting to see how the Pat's offense morphs this year.
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My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.
https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)
Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.
No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.
No. I admitted I was wrong about you and your emailed opinions regarding Levine, cap. Funny how you show two faces, despite the size of your own little cue ball.
You may now fuck off.
Cool, permission from you means so very much to me.
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https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/
Gettleman!!!
Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.
Want to know which one was a bad one?
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Troll
you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.
the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers
and they identify with players heroes.
For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".
and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.
the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.
The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.
Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions
Your obsession with me is only overshadowed by your inability to ever say anything that even has a hint of fact contained within it, Bitch Levine.
Your obsession with insisting on staying here when absolutely nobody wants you around defines you.
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Bitch Levine wrong again.
Bottom line, those CFB Nutcases, Cap and The Arizona Priest Enabler, know their kids. But neither they nor your copied and pasted Francesa opinions mean shit.
Even the guys who draft the players don't know how these picks will turn out.
If they did, you'd be here singing the praises of Dave Stachelski.
You may now STFU, Wimp.
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poor sad troll
no one give a fuck about your pathetic screams for attention.
this is a fucking forum about pro football, its not about you, an indecent asshole stalker.
cap is right
no one wants you here
you're useless
so go hide and vent in the hockey forum and piss yourself in isolation.
you fucking loser
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Troll
you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.
the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers
and they identify with players heroes.
For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".
and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.
the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.
The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.
Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions
Your obsession with me is only overshadowed by your inability to ever say anything that even has a hint of fact contained within it, Bitch Levine.
Your obsession with insisting on staying here when absolutely nobody wants you around defines you.
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Bitch ###### hates when is proven wrong.
Cap likes a good echo chamber.
But he proved his stripes a long time ago.
Two weaklings.
Heh
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Troll-the only thing you have proven beyond a reasonable doubt is the bottomless depth of your desperaration and depravity.
and you do it with every post
SSDD
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https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/
Gettleman!!!
Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.
Want to know which one was a bad one?
If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.
But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6.
Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.
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The know-it-alls, the Kiper JRs, the McShays, all said the Giants HAD TO draft a QB.
If the Giants had drafted HAskins, all the draft heads and ESPuN-dits would be giving DG an A++.
DG looked at both QBs and SAW in Jones a guy who he thinks could do the job and a guy in Haskins he wasn't sure about.
DO you want the GM going with his belief or do you want him to just look at Mock Drafts?
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But its tough to build an offense around a running back when your O-line sucks.
Barkley (even with OBJ missing the last four games) managed 2000 yards behind that shitty O-line.
They traded for an All-Pro RT (Kevin Zeitler) and their starting rookie LT (Will Hernandez) who they drafted right after Barkley is only getting bigger and better. They are one starting RG away from a standout line.
The defense will be much much better (it was the absolute worst but still) with a run-stuffing nose tackle in Lawrence and the new CBs (the most important position on defense - the firm of Baker Love and Beal) and safeties (Peppers and the old man Bethea) will give Bettcher's front seven more time to manage a meager pass rush at least. Markus Golden we see you. Even sending a safety to blitz the QB once-in-a-while knowing the CBs can play man coverage.
Eli/Jones are gonna hand the ball off (and play-action short passes to WRs who don't drop the ball - Hello Golden "hands" Tate) the whole game.
The weaknesses will still be pass rush on defense and deep threat on offense. But those are luxuries that can be added the following season with the most cap room in the NFL.
That should scare the rest of the division.
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But its tough to build an offense around a running back when your O-line sucks.
Barkley (even with OBJ missing the last four games) managed 2000 yards behind that shitty O-line.
They traded for an All-Pro RT (Kevin Zeitler) and their starting rookie LT (Will Hernandez) who they drafted right after Barkley is only getting bigger and better. They are one starting RG away from a standout line.
The defense will be much much better (it was the absolute worst but still) with a run-stuffing nose tackle in Lawrence and the new CBs (the most important position on defense - the firm of Baker Love and Beal) and safeties (Peppers and the old man Bethea) will give Bettcher's front seven more time to manage a meager pass rush at least. Markus Golden we see you. Even sending a safety to blitz the QB once-in-a-while knowing the CBs can play man coverage.
Eli/Jones are gonna hand the ball off (and play-action short passes to WRs who don't drop the ball - Hello Golden "hands" Tate) the whole game.
The weaknesses will still be pass rush on defense and deep threat on offense. But those are luxuries that can be added the following season with the most cap room in the NFL.
That should scare the rest of the division.
It always amazes me that people confuse individual achievements within the context of team sports.
I blame fantasy sports.
Giants had 5 wins last year, with Eli, OBJ and Saquon. That's a lot of offensive fire power.
But they sucked as a team.
There was a reason they had the #6 pick to use on Eli's successor.
And Barkely is a high performance player, there's no question about that, and is one of the reason I comped him to a Bentley. He's special.
But 700 yards of the 2,000 were passing yards.
But i'm sure you're right Opie will scare the rest of the NFC East, and lead his team to post-season wins, as he has, twice in his 14 year career.
As for Jones he may be great, I've no idea, I didn;t see the Senior Bowl, but the point you seem to miss is that he was the 4th ranked QB in the draft and depending upon your source, anywhere from the 40th to 80th ranked player in the draft, which suggests he would likely have been there at 17, and maybe at 37 in the 2nd round. He was a huge stretch at 6, and DG might have capitalized on his brilliance by accumulating extra picks by trading down.
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Giants had 8 one possession losses in that 5-11 record. 5 losses by a field goal or less.
15-20 Jags
13-20 Cowboys
31-33 Carolina
20-23 Falcons
13-20 Skins
22-25 Eagles
27-28 Colts
35-36 Cowboys
Early in the season the offense wasn't clicking even with OBJ.
Later in the season the defense was the problem.
Won't take a lot to improve the W-L record.
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The know-it-alls, the Kiper JRs, the McShays, all said the Giants HAD TO draft a QB.
If the Giants had drafted HAskins, all the draft heads and ESPuN-dits would be giving DG an A++.
DG looked at both QBs and SAW in Jones a guy who he thinks could do the job and a guy in Haskins he wasn't sure about.
DO you want the GM going with his belief or do you want him to just look at Mock Drafts?
Great points. But you have to admit, Eli is an expensive tutor. Unless they plan to trade him. But to where and for whom?
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Advice to QB Jones, #8: “Be who you are and say what you feel, because in the end those who matter don’t mind and those who mind don’t matter."
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Jones wont play this year
And Peppers in the return game is under publicized.
Idiot radio head was saying, "Call me if you wouldnt trade Jones for Darnold"
Heh - I'd have fired him on the spot.
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https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/
Gettleman!!!
Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.
Want to know which one was a bad one?
If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.
But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6.
Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.
Actually I was taking Allen at 6 and an OL at 17. Jones probably would have still been there for our 2nd rounder. Or trade back into the first and get him like we did baker. Although I'd rather have Baker. But like I've said, I hope I'm wrong about the kid. Been wrong before bro.
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Bitch ###### hates when is proven wrong.
Cap likes a good echo chamber.
But he proved his stripes a long time ago.
Two weaklings.
Heh
LOL you remind me of Rudy in the movie Hot Dog, you multiple personality freak.
Well, so here's my answer to you Rudy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmvf3b6GvEA
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmvf3b6GvEA)
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https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/
Gettleman!!!
Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.
Want to know which one was a bad one?
If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.
But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6.
Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.
Actually I was taking Allen at 6 and an OL at 17. Jones probably would have still been there for our 2nd rounder. Or trade back into the first and get him like we did baker. Although I'd rather have Baker. But like I've said, I hope I'm wrong about the kid. Been wrong before bro.
I just don't think he lasts to 37. Its a gamble and why would you gamble if you like the guy to be your franchise QB?
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While I don't think he's the kind of talent to be taken 6th if the Giants truly believed he was their guy, they had to take him there.
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Attaboy, YG
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While I don't think he's the kind of talent to be taken 6th if the Giants truly believed he was their guy, they had to take him there.
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Bingo! And generally, the people who actually work in the NFL know more than radio personalities and the apes who copy and post their opinions here.
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We would need to know particulars on which teams may have been interested in moving up to 6.
Anyone at 7-10?
How about 11-16?
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There are so many variables in there that if they believed Jones was their guy (a separate argument is whether his talent justifies that), they had to take him.
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There are so many variables in there that if they believed Jones was their guy (a separate argument is whether his talent justifies that), they had to take him.
Right. If you think your QB of the future is sitting for you at 6, you take him. If you think Jones is your QB of the future, that is a different issue.
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There are so many variables in there that if they believed Jones was their guy (a separate argument is whether his talent justifies that), they had to take him.
Well...just to make the discussiona bit more in depth...
No. Part of GMs job on draft day is figuring what other teams are about to do.
Thus....
If the team at 11 is offering something substantial to move to 6 it then behooves you to do a mock on 6-10. Also of course figuring who might deal up to 7-10 to get Jones
Smart money says Gettleman was too concerned Redskins wanted Jones and that is enough for the backers of Gettleman and the naysayers to strongly debate.
Or... could be nobody was dealing up (hard to believe) and of course Gettleman then had just 2 moves - take Jones or be Ok losing him before 17
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I'm just glad all these 1st round QBs are finding homes for the next 3-5 years, that may open the door a little when Bama and Clemson QBs are ready to come out '20 and '21 and Brady may decide its time to finally pass the torch.
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I'm just glad all these 1st round QBs are finding homes for the next 3-5 years, that may open the door a little when Bama and Clemson QBs are ready to come out '20 and '21 and Brady may decide its time to finally pass the torch.
The worst teams in the league will always include one or two teams that need QBs. Lack of quality QB is usually one of the reasons you are drafting in the top 10.
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I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal.
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I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal.
Of the two I like Lawrence a lot more, but Tua is a pretty decent pro prospect, and IMO would have been the #1 if he had come out this year.
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Jones will work and he will improve, and he will be ready when his time comes. Book it.
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I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal.
Wow
No words
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I guess we'll find out. Injury-prone, happy feet and short-arms throws. But I don't know things like you do.
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I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal.
Wow
No words
Using your big-boy words to explain your opinion would be helpful rather than trying to bluff your way through with snarky bullshit.
Kid you're totally transparent.
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Kid took pains last year to tell us he didn't watch much college football, but he knows things anyway.
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--this is all second hand "insider" info i took from a giants board FWIW--
Denver had Jones rated higher than Lock and would have taken him if he was available in the first round*.
Denver is not head over heels in love with Lock, they think he has potential, but they see his warts. They took him in the 2nd round as there was too much value there not to take him.
The rumors out there on the Redskins was accurate, there was a split in Redskins camp on Jones vs Haskins with Snyder wanting Haskins and the rest wanting Jones. Snyder would have won out if both were available. Jay Gruden and several Redskins scouts loved Daniel and were banging the table for him but were over ruled by Snyder in favor of Haskins.
Bengals ( pick 11 ) also had interest in Jones.
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*Fact:
Denver eventually traded down from 10 AFTER the Giants took Jones at 6.
With all this in the ether DG would be crazy to wait til 17.
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Good info - thanks
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https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/
Gettleman!!!
Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.
Want to know which one was a bad one?
If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.
But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6.
Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.
Actually I was taking Allen at 6 and an OL at 17. Jones probably would have still been there for our 2nd rounder. Or trade back into the first and get him like we did baker. Although I'd rather have Baker. But like I've said, I hope I'm wrong about the kid. Been wrong before bro.
I just don't think he lasts to 37. Its a gamble and why would you gamble if you like the guy to be your franchise QB?
Taking him at six is also a gamble. Time will tell if it was the right gamble. As a Giants fan I'm hoping I'm not just wrong, but waaaaay wrong.
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Why is it a gamble? He is your property now for 5 years if you like - has value now in deal and you still nabbed 2 excellent young players to go with others you are building with long term.
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They're also gambling that Allen is a bust or just a 'good' player. If he busts out to star status and Jones is merely mediocre then you gambled wrong.
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Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.
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Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott and Jalen Ramsey are great talents
That doesnt mean Jared Goff was a poor pick for the Rams.
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I'm not sure why the concept of possibly over-valuing and overpaying for a guy ranked 40th to 80th by most experts, but who was picked 6th in the draft, and of the opportunity cost of doing so, is such a difficiult concept for some to understand.
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QB is always called the most important position and toughest to fill adequately. And there are QB-hungry teams every year. So yes, a guy ranked 40th in a 32 team league, at the QB position, will likely get drafted way higher than a draft board based on talent rather than team-need would have him.
They got their man. Was it the right man? Time will tell. But i don't think Allen's play will weigh on Jones just like nobody with the Giants cares we let Philip Rivers and Shawn Merriman go for Eli.
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Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.
If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher. Possibly you aren't understanding what I'm saying. My opinion, and point for that matter, is dependent on Jones "not" being a star.
But it's no secret I covet and value defense in the game of football and my opinion is a bit jaded in that respect I readily admit this.
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You should love the Odell deal then
Funny..... hearing Jones may not even be the first Giants rookie QB to hit the field
Funny 2 - Lindy's Pro Football Draft issue -
Ratings
Haskins - 8.2
Jones - 8.0
Murray - 7.8
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Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.
If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher.
I've also heard CB was the next most important position. I don't know. But i like our front 3 defensive linemen and the CBs and Safeties we've added. Perennially weak at LB. Much is expected from Markus Golden.
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Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.
If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher.
I've also heard CB was the next most important position. I don't know. But i like our front 3 defensive linemen and the CBs and Safeties we've added. Perennially weak at LB. Much is expected from Markus Golden.
Great edge rushers make average CBs, and secondaries for that matter, look good. Poor edge rushers make good CBs look average.
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Terribly simplistic
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Good cover corners make offensive lines work longer. By the end of the game those average pass rushers will find a foothold to exploit.
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Hierarchy of needs NFL style
generally goes something like this
QBs
DE-rushers
OT
CB
S
TE
LB
RB
K
P
LS
and if you follow the money and the draft it more or less plays out that way
good QBs get drafted top of the draft and then stud edge rushers, then tackles who can deal with the edge guys....
there is probably no more efficient way to a D to be disruptive than have 1 guy who can blow up a play all by himself, (1 corner can't do that) and thats why edge rushers are in demand in a passing league. 1 stud guy can have a pretty big impact.
you're welcome
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Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.
If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher.
I've also heard CB was the next most important position. I don't know. But i like our front 3 defensive linemen and the CBs and Safeties we've added. Perennially weak at LB. Much is expected from Markus Golden.
Great edge rushers make average CBs, and secondaries for that matter, look good. Poor edge rushers make good CBs look average.
Good corners make average pass rushers look great. Forcing the QB to hold the ball an extra tick makes a huge difference. That is why the Browns took Ward over Chubb last year. Their review showed them their rush was good, but people were open all over the field so that the rush always looked late. It all works together. Offenses will expose any weak point, regardless of strength.
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So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.
And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.
But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
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So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.
And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.
But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
If his receivers are open the QB doesn't need time. If there is no rush, CBs will lose.their ma . It is the circle of life. Hierarchy of needs be damned. You cannot build a line at the expense of your secondary or a secondary at the expense of your line for.the same reason a weightifter does not build his right arm at.the expense of the left.
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So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.
And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.
But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
If his receivers are open the QB doesn't need time. If there is no rush, CBs will lose.their ma . It is the circle of life. Hierarchy of needs be damned. You cannot build a line at the expense of your secondary or a secondary at the expense of your line for.the same reason a weightifter does not build his right arm at.the expense of the left.
Football is still a trench warfare game. You lose the line of scrimmage, you lose. And in today's pass-happy NFL even crappy QBs have completion % above 60%. Given the rules advantages to the passing game, most CBs will lose their man in a couple of seconds or get flagged for holding. So pass completed for flag/1st down.
You need at least 1-stud pass rusher to pressre the QB to throw before he wants to. And even if you have a shut-down corner, a good QB will look elsewhere to pick apart a team. I've seen it happen for 18 years.
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But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
All right Maslow
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But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
All right Maslow
my friends call me Abe.
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Terribly simplistic
Probably seems that way to you. Not surprised.
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Good cover corners make offensive lines work longer. By the end of the game those average pass rushers will find a foothold to exploit.
If you ever played football you will know that defenses, especially the rushers DL and DE, expend much more energy than offensive linemen. Thus you will see a lot of DL rotation going on.
And by the end of the game everyone is tired. Including those average pass rushers.
No my point was about time Kam. To an NFL quarterback time is life's blood.
And to NFL secondaries too much of it means certain death.
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Hierarchy of needs NFL style
generally goes something like this
QBs
DE-rushers
OT
CB
S
TE
LB
RB
K
P
LS
and if you follow the money and the draft it more or less plays out that way
good QBs get drafted top of the draft and then stud edge rushers, then tackles who can deal with the edge guys....
there is probably no more efficient way to a D to be disruptive than have 1 guy who can blow up a play all by himself, (1 corner can't do that) and thats why edge rushers are in demand in a passing league. 1 stud guy can have a pretty big impact.
you're welcome
Sage.
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So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.
And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.
But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
If his receivers are open the QB doesn't need time. If there is no rush, CBs will lose.their ma . It is the circle of life. Hierarchy of needs be damned. You cannot build a line at the expense of your secondary or a secondary at the expense of your line for.the same reason a weightifter does not build his right arm at.the expense of the left.
While I'll agree on paper you are technically correct.
AFC Championship game 2016, Brady vs two badass DE's. The hands down greatest QB I have ever seen had the worst big game I've ever seen him have. Three of the Broncos secondary players were All-Pros. Two of those 1st team, both CBs. I have no doubt Brady picks them apart without that killer pass rush.
Thus my preference.
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Judge suppresses video in Kraft solicitation case:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case)
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Judge suppresses video in Kraft solicitation case:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case)
That's consistent with a finding last week in another case. I think the prosecution has an uphill battle ahead of it, if they even go forward at all.
(p.s. Flacco says he is not a selfish person.)
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Judge suppresses video in Kraft solicitation case:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case)
I'm guessing that happy ending cost Kraft a whole lot more than his first happy ending.
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Jets fire GM-Mac
Gase wearing GM hat.
Game of Clowns
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The Jets are always sinking but never hit bottom.
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The story knocked "Knicks didn't get Zion what are we going to do?" off of WFAN
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Seems hard to beleive but the Rex Ryan era will be thought of fondly as the era of relative stability in J-E-T-S history.
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Wow a new GM finally. Except for Q another terrible draft. A joke of a draft.
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Coach may agree with you. Could be GM passed on a trade that coach was in favor of.
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Coach may agree with you. Could be GM passed on a trade that coach was in favor of.
Outside of the #1 his drafts were terrible and panned by the experts and proven bad.
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The NFL will hold the 2021 Draft in the home city of the two time defending Super Bowl Champs! Sweet.
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Sonny Weaver Jr and home court advantage for draft day doesn't seem fair!
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A sad tale of Kellen Winslow Jr. (https://apnews.com/8cfbcfd44bc34a05b5518d8cdaf55661)
It really sounds like the guy has mental issues:
While Winslow was out on $2 million bail, he was arrested again for lewd conduct after a 77-year-old woman at a gym said he exposed himself to her on two occasions and masturbated next to her in a hot tub in February. He has been jailed since without bail.
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One of the great QBs of my youth.
Unitas was the flashier/sexier passer-QB, but Starr had the discipline, O-line, Hornung and Taylor and Lombardi.
RIP Bart Starr
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26825531/legendary-packers-hof-qb-starr-dies-85 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26825531/legendary-packers-hof-qb-starr-dies-85)
"Bart Starr, a Hall of Fame quarterback who helped build the Green Bay Packers dynasty in the 1960s and was named the Most Valuable Player of the first two Super Bowls, died Sunday in Birmingham, Alabama. He was 85."
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Star had a great crew around him.
But don't forget that defense. Adderley, Wood(an undrafted free agent if you can believe it!),underrated Henry Jordan, Willie Davis a sack machine before sacks were a statistic, and others.
I remember Currie was the Packers first round pick and wow if you can believe it Taylor was actually their second round pick.
Great draft that year for the Pack, as Jerry Kramer was a 4th round pick.
Oh, and some guy you may have heard of was their 3rd round pick. Some guy named Ray Nitschke.
RIP Bart, you were a childhood hero.
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Oh, and some guy you may have heard of was their 3rd round pick. Some guy named Ray Nitschke.
Also Sprach Zarathustra is overrated.
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It's the bassoons that make you say that right.
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Did Bob Kraft get suspended, yet? Just checking in to see.
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We'll let you know numbnuts.
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heh
its funny the pathetic troll has posted shown far more interest in the sex life of a 75 year old guy than he has about football.
it seems he's more interested in foreskin than pigskin.
He may be disappointed.
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When they erect his statue will it be wearing a towel and slippers
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When they erect his statue will it be wearing a towel and slippers
There's a deflate joke in there somewhere.
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Hey banks, you guys got any tight ends left?
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Is TB12 still trying to steal Tom Seaver's nickname? Can't you wait 'til he's dead, Brady?
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Tom Weaver's nickname?
I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.
heh
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Tom Weaver's nickname?
I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.
heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.
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Tom Weaver's nickname?
I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.
heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.
Sonny Weaver Jr. was a GM for the...
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Tom Weaver's nickname?
I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.
heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.
Sonny Weaver Jr. was a GM for the...
Herman Weaver had a 50% completion rate, averaged 9.6 yards per attempt, and was never intercepted in his NFL career. Maybe that should be the player he's compared to. But old Thunderfoot was never one for media attention, despite sharing the career lead in one category.
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Tom Weaver's nickname?
I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.
heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.
Sonny Weaver Jr. was a GM for the...
Herman Weaver had a 50% completion rate, averaged 9.6 yards per attempt, and was never intercepted in his NFL career. Maybe that should be the player he's compared to. But old Thunderfoot was never one for media attention, despite sharing the career lead in one category.
Well, it is like holding the career record for striking out the most. If they keep you around despite a fair number of your punts being forcibly redirected the wrong way, you must be pretty good, otherwise.
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
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And fuck you, too. "Yank".
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.
So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers, and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
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(http://wafflesatnoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/besty-ross-660x400.jpg)
"Why, Betsy, it's perfect! The circle representing the unity of the colonies against the King, right?"
"Oh, no, sir! That's supposed to be a noose, representing our commitment as white people to oppressing blacks!"
Fuck you, and your fucking horseshit.
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And fuck you, too. "Yank".
Heh.
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.
So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers, and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
As racist as a cartoon frog. Blame your fellow white supremacists for befouling the symbol. Credit Kaepernick and the Wall Street Journal - which has escaped your condemnation for reasons I am sure have nothing to do with them not generally speaking being prominent black activists - for helping Nike avoid the pr nightmare of having their shoes flaunted and celebrated the worst people on God's good earth.
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(http://wafflesatnoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/besty-ross-660x400.jpg)
"Why, Betsy, it's perfect! The circle representing the unity of the colonies against the King, right?"
"Oh, no, sir! That's supposed to be a noose, representing our commitment as white people to oppressing blacks!"
Fuck you, and your fucking horseshit.
Take it up with your fellow white supremicists. Not the ones pointing out how your people have excreted their filth on a patriotic symbol.
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Kiss my ass, you ignorant turd. Clearly you don't shit about fuck.
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Kiss my ass, you ignorant turd. Clearly you don't shit about fuck.
It's that we don't give a fuck about your shit. You almost had it right!
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.
So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers, and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.
There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.
So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers, and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.
There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!
They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.
So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers, and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.
There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!
They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?
Good theory!
No, she eloped with Mr. Ross. That had not been her last name previously. (She went on to have two more last names in years to come, as she got married a 2nd and 3rd time, but nobody seems to pay much attention to that!)
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.
So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers, and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.
There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!
They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?
Bad theory. Jews played an integral part of the community in Philadelphia at the time. They were banned from Boston.
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You should visit here: https://www.nmajh.org/ (https://www.nmajh.org/)
One of the best museums in a city known for great museums. I've been several times.
One thing you learn there is how influential Need were in helping develop American ideals, ideals that today, too many American Jews no longer support. Or they'd never become Republicans.
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Its not surprisng the troll has as poor a grasp and understanding on how Jews express themselves politically as he does on stats in general.
And he lies to mislead.
for what useful purposes remains a mystery.
SSDD
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Its not surprisng the troll has as poor a grasp and understanding on how Jews express themselves politically as he does on stats in general.
And he lies to mislead.
for what useful purposes remains a mystery.
SSDD
I see you've compounded your ignorance, once again.
Dumbfuck.
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Its not surprisng the troll has as poor a grasp and understanding on how Jews express themselves politically as he does on stats in general.
And he lies to mislead.
for what useful purposes remains a mystery.
SSDD
I see you've compounded your ignorance, once again.
Dumbfuck.
what a compelling rebuttal you present.
You fucking moron, you make broad sweeping statements wholly unsupported by facts.
Because the facts kick your stupid arguments way up your ass where they originated.
If other religions in the US voted along similar party lines as US Jews historically have, the Republican party would be a deeply minority party, with no meaningful political voice.
why you bother with your lies is your concern.
But you're only fooling yourself.
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.
So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers, and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.
There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!
They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?
Bad theory. Jews played an integral part of the community in Philadelphia at the time. They were banned from Boston.
No ban at the time of Betsy Ross, Ham. 150 years before that? Yep.
But even then, shortening the family name, had that happened, would have been cause enough for a Jewish family of the 1770s to cast her out - not because Philly wasn't welcoming of Jews, but because the Jewish people of that time were not particularly tolerant of folks who left them!
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You can't take too much away from a pre-season game, BUTT (big but) the Pats D looked pretty fucking good against the Lions.
They have a lot of talent on that side of the ball.
there might be more games won by 24-13 type scores than needing 30+ points to win.
Rookie QB Stidham had a good game, as did WR and ambulance-chaser Jakobi Meyers.
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https://www.facebook.com/1310273373/posts/10214732479568183/?sfnsn=mo
This makes me.very happy. The guy spent his last money training for a tryout he was not invited to and the bald faced lied his way in. Kept calling people like Dorsey by their first names, so everyone figured he belonged. Probably competing at best for the practice squad, but he gets his moment.
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https://www.facebook.com/1310273373/posts/10214732479568183/?sfnsn=mo
This makes me.very happy. The guy spent his last money training for a tryout he was not invited to and the bald faced lied his way in. Kept calling people like Dorsey by their first names, so everyone figured he belonged. Probably competing at best for the practice squad, but he gets his moment.
that FB link is broken-fucking Russians
so I had to google it-its a great story.
https://fox8.com/2019/08/08/browns-wide-receiver-who-finagled-his-way-into-a-tryout-returns-punt-for-td (https://fox8.com/2019/08/08/browns-wide-receiver-who-finagled-his-way-into-a-tryout-returns-punt-for-td)
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4.38 plays
Good job by Highsmith recognizing the kid’s hunger
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NFL reinstates Josh Gordon.
Good luck and stay healthy Mr. Gordon.
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Jones kooja better than Hastings, so far. Ball is out with Jones, while Hastings is guilty of holding it too long.
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Who's Hastings?
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NFL reinstates Josh Gordon.
Good luck and stay healthy Mr. Gordon.
Don't make bank on it.
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NFL reinstates Josh Gordon.
Good luck and stay healthy Mr. Gordon.
Don't make bank on it.
It seems like a long-shot that he can shake all his demons. I just wish him well.
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NFL reinstates Josh Gordon.
Good luck and stay healthy Mr. Gordon.
Don't make bank on it.
It seems like a long-shot that he can shake all his demons. I just wish him well.
I wish him well also. But I have been in your loafers. People like Gordon, with his talent, get many chances and routinely disappoint people who give him more chances up until the moment there are no more chances to give. 2013 was a very very long time ago. If all he has lost in those.six years have not been enough to keep him sober, it is hard to see what will save rock bottom.
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I agree. From what I understand, it will be a day to day battle for him to overcome his illness. I think we both hope he can do it.
Former The Michigan Wolverine madman Chase Winovich was making plays all over the field and had an impressive game last night, as did Jarrett Stidham leading 2 long drives in the 2nd half.
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I agree. From what I understand, it will be a day to day battle for him to overcome his illness. I think we both hope he can do it.
Former The Michigan Wolverine madman Chase Winovich was making plays all over the field and had an impressive game last night, as did Jarrett Stidham leading 2 long drives in the 2nd half.
As a general rule, the taint of Meatchicken lessens after he leaves college, but fuck Winovich. I hope he gets all that pretty hair caught in a sideline hydrating fan.
There is a fair chance Stidham was a steal.
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Stidham has looked poised, as in the moment is not too big for him (yet), but he's playing against 2-3s and potential WalMart stockboys. But he has looked good so far.
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Well, looks like 2 years straight that the pessimistic among Giants rooters have been wrong about their draft
Too funny.
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You're declaring the draft a success after two practice games?
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You're declaring the draft a success after two practice games?
Why not? We are winning the Super Bowl after two practice games.
One would think declaring your QB ready should wait for, I dunno, maybe him playing against a first team defense playing its full defensive scheme. But what is the fun of that?
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/22/us/new-england-patriots-patrick-chung-cocaine-charge/index.html
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/22/us/new-england-patriots-patrick-chung-cocaine-charge/index.html
My understanding is that an alarm went off at Chung's home outside Laconia, NH, and the police went to investigate. While they found no break in, they did find some cocaine visible inside the home, but no people.
Chung owns the home, so the grand jury indicted him.
If the story as I heard it is true, then even if he is guilty he is likely not going to trial due to lack of connecting evidence.
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I agree with my fellow cartel member, the possession charge seems tough to prove.
Seems strange that someone would leave cocaine in lines, a pile, or a baggie, out in open sight for an extended period of time.
I suspect someone may have snooped illegally.
Pats D, looks pretty good so far.
As posted earlier, it looks like BB has built a team that can win scoring 20+ points,
Stidham looked pretty ok against 1s and 2s. Made some a couple of rookie mistakes, but not too many and was generally in control. speculation grows he may be the #2, and Hoyer could get cut.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2850730-carli-lloyd-says-shes-gotten-inquiries-from-nfl-teams-after-hitting-55-yard-fg
I think at 37 she might have a hard time making a team, but if there are teams looking to bolster attendence, I could see them signing her. I would love it if somebody gave her a shot.
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I'm not sure the "37" is the issue on Ms. Lloyd getting a real shot at making an NFL team. Agree that it would add some PR buzz if she were given a legit shot to be an NFL kicker. I wonder if soccer goalies have the accuracy because elite goalies seem to boot the ball about 70+ yards.
I think the goalies could be amazing punters.
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Elite keepers. Ah, yes. Strong legs, they.
I will clue you in - directionally they are equally adept. And with either peg.
Would have been grand to have Carly say, "can I take one left-footed now?" - really leave their mouths agape. But she is ever so humble.
(sucks she sits for some of the undeserving lot that they trot out on the pitch in international play)
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At least I did not auto draft Luck.
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At least I did not auto draft Luck.
I guess you already heard this news. I had not until a few minutes ago.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2850985-report-colts-andrew-luck-to-retire-from-nfl-in-shocking-announcement?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Wow.
That will shake up some expectations. The Jacoby Brissett era has begun in Indianapolis!
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Indy was prepared
Luck leaves nearly 60 mil on the table
Admirable
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Whisk - you want Chubb?
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Indy was prepared
Luck leaves nearly 60 mil on the table
Admirable
Aware =/= prepared.
I supposed it is better than unaware =/= prepared, which we see elsewhere.
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Tough break for the Colts
Sucking for Luck didn't end well
I wonder if tanking for "Tag" will work any better?
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Whisk - you want Chubb?
For...?
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Whisk - you want Chubb?
For...?
If I was drafting live, I might have taken Chubb over Johnson because I think Arizona's offensive line is abysmal, but I am intrigued by Johnson's value now that we have added ppr. Besides, I have now cornered the running back D. Johnson market. Don't want to break it up.
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The trade Eli to Indy crowd has begun in NJ.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27472278/patriots-c-andrews-season-jeopardy (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27472278/patriots-c-andrews-season-jeopardy)
Clogging up the middle.
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The trade Eli to Indy crowd has begun in NJ.
I think the Colts are OK, but thanks.
Interesting the effect the Luck decision/announcement has had on sports bettors/books.
Money flooded in in some locales on the COLTS UNDER 9/9.5 wins immediately after the announcement
And those holding OVER tickets of course are getting hosed.
Meanwhile division odds come into this as well. Its now probably the most competitive division in the NFL, - and Jacksonville, Houston bettors (to win AFC South) have of course benefitted
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The trade Eli to Indy crowd has begun in NJ.
I think the Colts are OK, but thanks.
Interesting the effect the Luck decision/announcement has had on sports bettors/books.
Money flooded in in some locales on the COLTS UNDER 9/9.5 wins immediately after the announcement
And those holding OVER tickets of course are getting hosed.
Meanwhile division odds come into this as well. Its now probably the most competitive division in the NFL, - and Jacksonville, Houston bettors (to win AFC South) have of course benefitted
Unsurprising, really.
I would love for JB to set them on their ears.
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Yes. Unsurprisingly
heh
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27472278/patriots-c-andrews-season-jeopardy (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27472278/patriots-c-andrews-season-jeopardy)
Clogging up the middle.
more like clotting up the middle.
get well soon Mr. Andrews
next man up
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Yes. Unsurprisingly
heh
Yes. Unsurprisingly.
Since you seem unclear on the concept, I have highlighted my prior quote on the topic.
At least I did not auto draft Luck.
I guess you already heard this news. I had not until a few minutes ago.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2850985-report-colts-andrew-luck-to-retire-from-nfl-in-shocking-announcement?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Wow.
That will shake up some expectations. The Jacoby Brissett era has begun in Indianapolis!
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Yes. The odds changed - unsurprisingly.
Lets agree to agree, Simple Josh.
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These new Pats sound like they suck
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27486307/patriots-make-2-trades-bolster-offensive-line
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Depth.
You might get to see them for a few plays tonight.
I wonder if any centers get cut in the next few days, if the Pats show any interest.
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I have attempted to impose a ban on the poster known as HamiltonIII.
As we all know, sometimes people can work around the bans because I cannot broadly ban many a given IP address without impacting others among you. I have attempted to address that, as well, but we will see whether that effort is successful.
If you see a new post from somebody that you are pretty sure is him, flag it and I will take a look as soon as I can.
Regretfully,
Josh
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Depth.
You might get to see them for a few plays tonight.
I wonder if any centers get cut in the next few days, if the Pats show any interest.
You can have Hashim Thabeet
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Depth.
You might get to see them for a few plays tonight.
I wonder if any centers get cut in the next few days, if the Pats show any interest.
Pats trade another 6th rounder to Bills for Center Russell Bodine.
I'm pretty sure he's realted to Jethro Bodine.
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These new Pats sound like they suck
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27486307/patriots-make-2-trades-bolster-offensive-line
Any large and essentially upright human who is not good enough to play OL for the Cardinals is utterly useless until proven otherwise.
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Happy 100th NFL
Pack @ Bears tonight
Bears -3
thinking about taking the points
KO Pool: Seattle or whoever is playing against Miami every week
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Hard to believe the Browns went.from 0 -16 to 15 - 1 in just two years!
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AB and OBJ can always open up a clown school when they retire
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Still not watching the games
But ......
Pack +3 sounds good.
Knockout pool:
EAGLES
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You taking a knee on the NFL this year?
Not watching and betting seems a risky strategy.
Good luck, Kap, err kid.
AB not working out so great in Oakland. Rumor is Raiders want to void the contract.
He was born a Brown...
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Yep. Said I was bailing after the egregious playoff referee errors. Plenty else to do.
No betting this year.
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same way I felt about the egregious election tampering made in '16. I swore off politics until we got the Ruskies out of our elections.
Thank gawd our president made that a top priority!
in any case you didn't miss much last night.
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Hard Knox
Raiders release AB
Just Win AB,
although its easier with a team and 30 million
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Makes me appreciate the intense narcissism and relative sa it of O J all the more.
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Makes me appreciate the intense narcissism and relative sa it of O J all the more.
I seem to have hit the space bar instead of the B. I would correct it but sometimes my typos crack me up.
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NFL conventional wisdom seems to think BB can fix most headache players, and get them on the cheap and to perform.
And he's had hits and misses.
but IMO he passes on AB.
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Makes me appreciate the intense narcissism and relative sa it of O J all the more.
I seem to have hit the space bar instead of the B. I would correct it but sometimes my typos crack me up.
I did a double-take on your take.
Its not often saBity is used properly in today's prose.
nice work oz.
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NFL conventional wisdom seems to think BB can fix most headache players, and get them on the cheap and to perform.
And he's had hits and misses.
but IMO he passes on AB.
Or passes to him.
We are all Patriots!
I wonder if BB can work the Vulcan mind-meld on AB.
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NFL conventional wisdom seems to think BB can fix most headache players, and get them on the cheap and to perform.
And he's had hits and misses.
but IMO he passes on AB.
Or passes to him.
We are all Patriots!
I wonder if BB can work the Vulcan mind-meld on AB.
It's going to take more than a sharpie
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NFL picks on the way
Special feature this year - 4+ team moneyline parlays for a hundy. Play along if you wish*
Knockout pool here as well. Someone took SEA, I have PHI
The slate:
9/5 8:20 ET Chicago -3 Packers 46
9/8 1:00 ET Minnesota -4 Falcons 47.5
9/8 1:00 ET Philadelphia -9.5 Redskins 46
9/8 1:00 ET NY Jets -3 Bills 40
9/8 1:00 ET Ravens -6.5 Miami 37.5
9/8 4:25 ET Tampa Bay -1 49ers 49.5
9/8 1:00 ET Chiefs -4 Jacksonville 52.5
9/8 1:00 ET Cleveland -5.5 Titans 45.5
9/8 1:00 ET Rams -3 Carolina 50.5
9/8 4:25 ET Lions -2.5 Arizona 47.5
9/8 4:05 ET Seattle -9.5 Bengals 44
9/8 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Colts 44.5
9/8 4:25 ET Dallas -7 Giants 45.5
9/8 8:20 ET New England -6 Steelers 51
9/9 7:10 ET New Orleans -7 Texans 53.5
9/9 10:15 ET Broncos -2.5 Oakland 43
* for parlay, select the teams and punch them in at www.fanduel.com to get the payout
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Kid8 week 1 2019
9/5 8:20 ET Chicago -3 Packers 46 23-24
9/8 1:00 ET Minnesota -4 Falcons 47.5 27-21
9/8 1:00 ET Philadelphia -9.5 Redskins 46 27-13
9/8 1:00 ET NY Jets -3 Bills 40 23-16
9/8 1:00 ET Ravens -6.5 Miami 37.5 24-17
9/8 4:25 ET Tampa Bay -1 49ers 49.5 24-27
9/8 1:00 ET Chiefs -4 Jacksonville 52.5 27-24
9/8 1:00 ET Cleveland -5.5 Titans 45.5 30-17
9/8 1:00 ET Rams -3 Carolina 50.5 24-27
9/8 4:25 ET Lions -2.5 Arizona 47.5 24-20
9/8 4:05 ET Seattle -9.5 Bengals 44 31-14
9/8 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Colts 44.5 24-20
9/8 4:25 ET Dallas -7 Giants 45.5 27-17
9/8 8:20 ET New England -6 Steelers 51 31-27
9/9 7:10 ET New Orleans -7 Texans 53.5 31-23
9/9 10:15 ET Broncos -2.5 Oakland 43 24-17
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AFC
E-Pats
N-Steelers
S-Jags
W-Chiefs
WC-Texans and Browns
Conf champ-Pats
NFC
E-Iggles
N-Packers
S-Saints
W-Rams
WC Seahawks Cowboys
conf champ Saints
SB-Brady v Brees
Brady
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Week 1 parlay
Eagles Browns Jets Seahawks
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I nibbled w/bar bets on iggles -9
Like the Jets -3 but kept ammo dry
go slow in week 1
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I'm watching the Jets-Bills game and it is awful! The Bills have given up 4 turnovers in the first half, but the score (with 38 seconds to go) is only 6-0 for the Jets because their offense has been so lame.
They might manage a field goal here, but... they might not.
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burned on a meanigless backdoor cover.
good start to the season!
heh
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Yeahhh....
Clemson yesterday. Eagles today
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After running his big fat yap all off-season Baker Maybefield lays a big fat egg.
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Message to Jets and Lions -
Keeeeeeep scoring, lads.
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Message to Jets and Lions -
Keeeeeeep scoring, lads.
And the Clippers, though they survived, as the Lions may yet.
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Looks like 9-3-1, 6-6-1
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I had high hopes for the D, it looks real against a real team.
impressive 1st half
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somewhere in western Pennsylvania Franco Harris cries.
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total and complete ass-kicking.
only one question for Tomlin why the fuck did you kick a FG at 20-0?
any chance that the Steelers had was kicked away.
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total and complete ass-kicking.
only one question for Tomlin why the fuck did you kick a FG at 20-0?
any chance that the Steelers had was kicked away.
He kept thinking that (a) his defense was better than it was and (b) his offense couldn't possibly be that weak. So, he bet that they would outscore the Patriots in the remainder of the game.
He was just the weest bit wrong.
But had he not kicked then, he would have been shut out, I suspect.
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not going for it down 20 was both stupid and a surrender.
It made a 3 score game a 3 score game
it accomplished nothing.
worst case Pats take over at their 1 and Pitt probably get another shot at scoring.
but he rolled over there telling his team and the world "we can't make 1 yard".
he was probably right but it was a real bad look.
I suspect he'll get killed for that decision
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not going for it down 20 was both stupid and a surrender.
It made a 3 score game a 3 score game
it accomplished nothing.
worst case Pats take over at their 1 and Pitt probably get another shot at scoring.
but he rolled over there telling his team and the world "we can't make 1 yard".
he was probably right but it was a real bad look.
I suspect he'll get killed for that decision
I agree, though I suspect that he was going to get killed regardless.
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not going for it down 20 was both stupid and a surrender.
It made a 3 score game a 3 score game
it accomplished nothing.
worst case Pats take over at their 1 and Pitt probably get another shot at scoring.
but he rolled over there telling his team and the world "we can't make 1 yard".
he was probably right but it was a real bad look.
I suspect he'll get killed for that decision
Not a big Tomlin guy but I will disagree
3+7+3+7 = 20
Mike was trusting his defense. If he was wrong even the 7 would not have mattered
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Looks like 9-3-1, 6-6-1
10-3-1 straight
6-7-1 spread
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After running his big fat yap all off-season Baker Maybefield lays a big fat egg.
190 yards of penalties had more.to do with it than Mayfield. Stupid, undisciplined penalties.
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not going for it down 20 was both stupid and a surrender.
It made a 3 score game a 3 score game
it accomplished nothing.
worst case Pats take over at their 1 and Pitt probably get another shot at scoring.
but he rolled over there telling his team and the world "we can't make 1 yard".
he was probably right but it was a real bad look.
I suspect he'll get killed for that decision
Not a big Tomlin guy but I will disagree
3+7+3+7 = 20
Mike was trusting his defense. If he was wrong even the 7 would not have mattered
By kicking the FG he was tellling his offense "we cant get 1 yard"
By kicking a FG he was telling his defense, "I don't trust you to stop the Pats from their own 1 and get us the ball back"
By kicking a FG down 20-0, he kept a 3 score game a 3 score game (20-3=17 =3 scores)
he accomplished nothing except avoiding a shutout.
it was a poor decision.
7-7 in my ATS pool
got burned by backdoor with Philly and late meltdowns Jets, Lions.
didn't play any parlays for a hundy
good thing as week 1 is always bitch
How did your 4-team parlay for a hundy turn out kid, I missed your accounting for that?
heh
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Kid doesn't bet on sports.
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Kid doesn't bet on sports.
So I hear.
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Kid doesn't bet on sports.
😁😂
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Bunch of Dolphins are said to have demanded trades after their... "performance" yesterday.
Management denied it.
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maybe the Pats can call in a favor and get some OL help.
Whats with OBJ and wearing a 350K watch during the game?
His answer to Tom versus Time?
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That's about your speed.
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that was a helluva entertaining game.
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Programming note: Heidi is on TCM.
I don't care what drugs she takes.
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Slow start to 2019
10-5 (winners)
6-9 (spread)
6-10 (O/U)
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You'd be in trouble if you were betting money.
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Iiiiiiii....don't know about this one
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/us/nfl-antonio-brown-lawsuit/index.html
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You'd be in trouble if you were betting money.
Heh...
yeah, seems - week 1
Bettors of course dont usually wager an entire slate.
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Iiiiiiii....don't know about this one
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/us/nfl-antonio-brown-lawsuit/index.html
I hope there is clear, definitive evidence one way or the other.
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NFL Thursday 9/12
Carolina -6.5 vs Tampa Bay
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NFL Thursday 9/12
Carolina -6.5 vs Tampa Bay
27-17 (under 50)
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001053773/article/aaron-rodgers-to-fans-dont-do-wave-when-he-has-ball?icampaign=trendingNews
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Week 2
9/12 8:20 ET Carolina -6.5 Bucs 50
9/15 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Colts 45
9/15 1:00 ET Chargers -2.5 Detroit 48
9/15 1:00 ET Bills -2 NY Giants 43.5
9/15 1:00 ET Baltimore -13.5 Cardinals 47
9/15 1:00 ET Patriots -18.5 Miami 47.5
9/15 1:00 ET Cowboys -5 Washington 46.5
9/15 1:00 ET Houston -8.5 Jaguars 43.5
9/15 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -3.5 Seahawks 46.5
9/15 1:00 ET Cincinnati -1.5 49ers 44.5
9/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -2.5 Vikings 44.5
9/15 4:05 ET Chiefs -8 Oakland 52
9/15 4:25 ET LA Rams -3 Saints 54
9/15 4:25 ET Bears -2.5 Denver 40.5
9/15 8:20 ET Eagles -1.5 Atlanta 51
9/16 8:15 ET Browns -2.5 NY Jets 46
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the real Jets line is Jets +6.5
it opened at +2.5 but fell to +6.5 when the news of Darnold's mono.
thinking Balt for week 2 of KO pool.
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Yeah, once in a while we are gifted an easy one since we use the earlier line
Then again - its no given
Almost forgot KNOCKOUT
I will take..............
(Eagles used)
STEELERS
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Week 2
9/12 8:20 ET Carolina -6.5 Bucs 50 27-17 L
9/15 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Colts 45 17-20
9/15 1:00 ET Chargers -2.5 Detroit 48 24-27
9/15 1:00 ET Bills -2 NY Giants 43.5 21-24
9/15 1:00 ET Baltimore -13.5 Cardinals 47 34-21
9/15 1:00 ET Patriots -18.5 Miami 47.5 33-10
9/15 1:00 ET Cowboys -5 Washington 46.5 24-17
9/15 1:00 ET Houston -8.5 Jaguars 43.5 27-20
9/15 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -3.5 Seahawks 46.5 31-20
9/15 1:00 ET Cincinnati -1.5 49ers 44.5 23-17
9/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -2.5 Vikings 44.5 28-21
9/15 4:05 ET Chiefs -8 Oakland 52 27-21
9/15 4:25 ET LA Rams -3 Saints 54 24-28
9/15 4:25 ET Bears -2.5 Denver 40.5 17-20
9/15 8:20 ET Eagles -1.5 Atlanta 51 28-24
9/16 8:15 ET Browns -2.5 NY Jets 46 27-17
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Knockout was STEELERS
4 team parlay for today (to win game)
Patriots
Steelers
Ravens
Cowboys
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Knockout was STEELERS
4 team parlay for today (to win game)
Patriots
Steelers
Ravens
Cowboys
Pats at -3000 is going to kill your payout
by my calculations the 4-team payout (on 100) is 141, a 3-team payout (w/o Pats) is 134.
4-team ATS parlay pays around 12:1
good luck
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Kid doesn't bet on sports.
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But he talks a solid game.
I got browbeat by a couple of guys to take my Pats at -19
It could get ugly in the Miami heat.
Brady usually plays like shit in Miami, but I could see the D flexing their muscles against their former D-coordinator, Flores.
If the D has Brady's back, they could win this 21-0, or 48-0.
Went with Ravens in KO pool.
1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
trend looks like Falcons, Eagles, or Cardinals in week 3
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if Ghost hadn't sucked, (missed 2 XP and chippy FG) I would have had my 48-0.
Fins are terrible, Pats D was overpowering.
Can't wait to see them against a real offense.
Brady went to AB a lot early on and he had a real nice game.
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Yeah, once in a while we are gifted an easy one since we use the earlier line
Then again - its no given
Almost forgot KNOCKOUT
I will take..............
(Eagles used)
STEELERS
Knocked out.
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if Ghost hadn't sucked, (missed 2 XP and chippy FG) I would have had my 48-0.
Fins are terrible, Pats D was overpowering.
Can't wait to see them against a real offense.
Brady went to AB a lot early on and he had a real nice game.
The JV also did well, as Jimmy and Jacoby both won. So did the Lions. The Dolphins? Well...
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Knockout was STEELERS
4 team parlay for today (to win game)
Patriots
Steelers
Ravens
Cowboys
Pats at -3000 is going to kill your payout
by my calculations the 4-team payout (on 100) is 141, a 3-team payout (w/o Pats) is 134.
4-team ATS parlay pays around 12:1
good luck
141 is better
No matter
-200 for year
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I would live wager Eagles right now at -0.5, -116
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If my fantasy math is right, I will win if Ryan throws for 10 touchdowns and 680 yards.
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Yeah, once in a while we are gifted an easy one since we use the earlier line
Then again - its no given
Almost forgot KNOCKOUT
I will take..............
(Eagles used)
STEELERS
Knocked out.
heh
yeah - tough break for Pitt.
But typical Steelers - even with the injuries they had a nice chance late but couldnt get ball back from Russ.
Tomlin went for 2 early, down 21-19. This left them 2 scores down late. Mikey Miiiiiiike.
More:
https://triblive.com/sports/tim-benz-an-angry-airing-of-grievances-after-steelers-loss-to-seahawks/
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Surgery for Benny out for the season.
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Surgery for Brees also, 6+ weeks.
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Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.
Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
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Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.
Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.
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Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.
Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.
A year ago, we were told more than once that: "ISSUE WASNT ELI"
After all, 'dude won 11 games two years ago' (three, now). so how could it be him?
In 2019, is Eli the issue?
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Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.
Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.
A year ago, we were told more than once that: "ISSUE WASNT ELI"
After all, 'dude won 11 games two years ago' (three, now). so how could it be him?
In 2019, is Eli the issue?
I think they have lots of issues.
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Week 2
9/12 8:20 ET Carolina -6.5 Bucs 50 27-17 L
9/15 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Colts 45 17-20 W
9/15 1:00 ET Chargers -2.5 Detroit 48 24-27 W
9/15 1:00 ET Bills -2 NY Giants 43.5 21-24 L
9/15 1:00 ET Baltimore -13.5 Cardinals 47 34-21 W
9/15 1:00 ET Patriots -18.5 Miami 47.5 33-10 W
9/15 1:00 ET Cowboys -5 Washington 46.5 24-17 W
9/15 1:00 ET Houston -8.5 Jaguars 43.5 27-20 L
9/15 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -3.5 Seahawks 46.5 31-20 L
9/15 1:00 ET Cincinnati -1.5 49ers 44.5 23-17 L
9/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -2.5 Vikings 44.5 28-21 W
9/15 4:05 ET Chiefs -8 Oakland 52 27-21 L
9/15 4:25 ET LA Rams -3 Saints 54 24-28 L
9/15 4:25 ET Bears -2.5 Denver 40.5 17-20 W
9/15 8:20 ET Eagles -1.5 Atlanta 51 28-24 L
9/16 8:15 ET Browns -2.5 NY Jets 46 27-17
Browns gimme (?) for 8-8
14-17 season vs spread
19-13 winners
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Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.
Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.
A year ago, we were told more than once that: "ISSUE WASNT ELI"
After all, 'dude won 11 games two years ago' (three, now). so how could it be him?
In 2019, is Eli the issue?
No.
Wait - what's the question?
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Eli has more class than BEN - or maybe HE would have stated that picking a QB round 1 rather than someone who could help this year was an improper GM play
So Eli's CHARACTER continues to set him apart.
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Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.
Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.
A year ago, we were told more than once that: "ISSUE WASNT ELI"
After all, 'dude won 11 games two years ago' (three, now). so how could it be him?
In 2019, is Eli the issue?
No.
Wait - what's the question?
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Eli has more class than BEN - or maybe HE would have stated that picking a QB round 1 rather than someone who could help this year was an improper GM play
So Eli's CHARACTER continues to set him apart.
Eli has a fine character, with the possible exception of his game/non-game jerseys. I agree that it puts him in a very different place than Ben.
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So far the Jets' best offensive play is having Myles Garrett rough the passer.
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So far the Jets' best offensive play is having Myles Garrett rough the passer.
Nor did things get better.
He may yet do something to change this, but thus far the presence of Le'veon Bell is not striking fear in the hearts of NFL teams.
And mono? Hah!
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So far the Jets' best offensive play is having Myles Garrett rough the passer.
Nor did things get better.
He may yet do something to change this, but thus far the presence of Le'veon Bell is not striking fear in the hearts of NFL teams.
And mono? Hah!
.maybe, but right now he is all they have. He.is trying to carry the team and it shows.
I had mono as an adult. On my ass for.more than a month.
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G-Men bench Opie
Jones takes the helm
mono sucks-I had it in high school, every time I thought I was over it, it kicked me again, had it for almost 3 months.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns (https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns)
Really, that's a foul? To overuse the phrase 'my sister hit me harder in the backyard', but fuck it's true. Thanks for turning a beloved American treasure into a fucking joke.
Professional football, and college football too for that matter, is really becoming a big candy-ass game.
Money. That all it's about anymore. FUCK YOU NFL I wish I could lay a real late 1960's/70's hit on every motherfucking one of you candy-ass suit bastards. Terry Bradshaw is turning over in his walk-in tub in an attempt to drown himself so he doesn't have to watch this shit.
Okay I'm done, carry on. ;-)
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Ok, slow start....
Tonight
Jacksonville +1.5 vs Titans
- under 40 20-17 Jags
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G-Men bench Eli
Jones takes the helm
I give Shurmur credit for being decisively non PC
Gonna go with Jones-Latimer as the new PLUS hookup.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns (https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns)
Really, that's a foul? To overuse the phrase 'my sister hit me harder in the backyard', but fuck it's true. Thanks for turning a beloved American treasure into a fucking joke.
Professional football, and college football too for that matter, is really becoming a big candy-ass game.
Money. That all it's about anymore. FUCK YOU NFL I wish I could lay a real late 1960's/70's hit on every motherfucking one of you candy-ass suit bastards. Terry Bradshaw is turning over in his walk-in tub in an attempt to drown himself so he doesn't have to watch this shit.
Okay I'm done, carry on. ;-)
Pay the fine
Then pay the other fine
And keep paying if you want to add unnecessary hits for giggles.
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Shurmur cancels Francessa interview
heh
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Francessa: "I dont take it personally...."
Followed by...
"Giants have become very good at hiding and very good at losing"
heh
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Mike: "I fired Shockey because he didnt show up"
Need a fact check.
Where's that Tara from CNN.com?
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/business/antonio-brown-nike-nfl-patriots/index.html
Nike ditches AB.
Can't blame them, though why it took until now is a good question.
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The article you linked to calls into question why they dumped him at all
But likely you didn't read it.
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Week 3
9/19 8:20 ET Titans -1.5 Jacksonville 40
9/22 1:00 ET Green Bay -8 Broncos 43
9/22 1:00 ET Philadelphia -7 Lions 46.5
9/22 1:00 ET Kansas City -6.5 Ravens 55
9/22 1:00 ET Buffalo -6 Bengals 44
9/22 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2 Falcons 46.5
9/22 1:00 ET Minnesota -8 Raiders 43
9/22 1:00 ET New England -22.5 Jets 43.5
9/22 1:00 ET Dallas -21 Dolphins 47
9/22 4:05 ET Tampa Bay -6.5 Giants 48
9/22 4:05 ET Panthers -2 Arizona 46
9/22 4:25 ET Seattle -4.5 Saints 44.5
9/22 4:25 ET LA Chargers -3 Texans 48
9/22 4:25 ET San Francisco -6.5 Steelers 43.5
9/22 8:20 ET Rams -3 Cleveland 50
9/23 8:15 ET Bears -4 Washington 41.5
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Why do you spill so much cyberink on gambling when you rarely bet on sports?
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You should have me on ignore if you dont want to see the odds
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And miss out on laughing at you? Not a chance.
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20-7 is about to be 27-14, killing the under
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20-7 is about to be 27-14, killing the under
Or not.
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Didn't watch last night. I wasn't ready for a crappy game,
Heard Brady turned it off.
kicking it between Cowboys and Bills for week 3 KO pool.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns (https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns)
Really, that's a foul? To overuse the phrase 'my sister hit me harder in the backyard', but fuck it's true. Thanks for turning a beloved American treasure into a fucking joke.
Professional football, and college football too for that matter, is really becoming a big candy-ass game.
Money. That all it's about anymore. FUCK YOU NFL I wish I could lay a real late 1960's/70's hit on every motherfucking one of you candy-ass suit bastards. Terry Bradshaw is turning over in his walk-in tub in an attempt to drown himself so he doesn't have to watch this shit.
Okay I'm done, carry on. ;-)
Pay the fine
Then pay the other fine
And keep paying if you want to add unnecessary hits for giggles.
What hit?
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So much for.the Antonio Brown era in Foxboro.
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AB C ya.
I feel cleaner already.
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So much for.the Antonio Brown era in Foxboro.
Not a surprise, but he managed to get himself jetisoned pretty quickly!
If they had not sent him off, I would have lost a lot of respect for their ability to recognize a disaster.
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So much for.the Antonio Brown era in Foxboro.
Not a surprise, but he managed to get himself jetisoned pretty quickly!
If they had not sent him off, I would have lost a lot of respect for their ability to recognize a disaster.
AB's complete lack of self control and common sense was kind of extraordinary and will cost him millions and maybe his career.
he's a bad guy, with more bad just waiting to happen. I'm glad he's gone
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Went with Ravens in KO pool.
1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
trend looks like Falcons, Eagles, or Cardinals in week 3
Only bird this week is me.
Almost took the Bills or Vikes but chickened out
went Cowboys in week 3 in my KO pools
1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
3-Cowboys
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9/19 8:20 ET Titans -1.5 Jacksonville 40 17-20 W
9/22 1:00 ET Green Bay -8 Broncos 43 27-14
9/22 1:00 ET Philadelphia -7 Lions 46.5 27-24
9/22 1:00 ET Kansas City -6.5 Ravens 55 34-31
9/22 1:00 ET Buffalo -6 Bengals 44 24-17
9/22 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2 Falcons 46.5 23-20
9/22 1:00 ET Minnesota -8 Raiders 43 24-14
9/22 1:00 ET New England -22.5 Jets 43.5 36-9
9/22 1:00 ET Dallas -21 Dolphins 47 35-10
9/22 4:05 ET Tampa Bay -6.5 Giants 48 23-24
9/22 4:05 ET Panthers -2 Arizona 46 23-27
9/22 4:25 ET Seattle -4.5 Saints 44.5 28-21
9/22 4:25 ET LA Chargers -3 Texans 48 27-30
9/22 4:25 ET San Francisco -6.5 Steelers 43.5 27-21
9/22 8:20 ET Rams -3 Cleveland 50 24-27
9/23 8:15 ET Bears -4 Washington 41.5 23-17
Good luck
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my bar buddies (one Giant/one Jet fan) want a shot at getting their dough back
I obliged them.
last week it was Pats -19
so this week we settled on Pats -21
Pats O-line depth worries me, but still have a hard time seeing the Pats D giving up much to a rookie QB.
Le'veon Bell will have a long afternoon
Pats 38-10
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fucking rookies
should have been 30-0 shutout
D was awesome against a bad team
fucking rookies
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Pats D has given up 3 points in 3 games
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Hahaaaa
Pick 6, Tom? Really?
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Oh...not Brady? Never mind.
Killed my 7-1...
Settling for 6-2 start to Sunday (7-2 overall)
8-1 winners.
4 upset picks late
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fucking rookies
should have been 30-0 shutout
D was awesome against a bad team
fucking rookies
I would never bet a spread that high.
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Hahaaaa
Pick 6, Tom? Really?
It was Stidham.
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Pats D has given up 3 points in 3 games
Pats offense and special teams have given up more points than their D.
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fucking rookies
should have been 30-0 shutout
D was awesome against a bad team
fucking rookies
I would never bet a spread that high.
I thought the line was ok, and the Pats should have covered easily, but
fucking rookies.
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speaking of rookies
So starts the Daniel Jones story
and ends Opie's.
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speaking of rookies
So starts the Daniel Jones story
and ends Opie's.
Oh, but it wasn't all about Eli!
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Pats D has given up 3 points in 3 games
Pats offense and special teams have given up more points than their D.
😁😁
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speaking of rookies
So starts the Daniel Jones story
and ends Opie's.
heh
I understand the hate
- but just takes one injury.
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speaking of rookies
So starts the Daniel Jones story
and ends Opie's.
Oh, but it wasnt all about Eli
Winston usually gonna choke.....
but inspired second half play by defense, it appears
Oh - and of course the kicker played a part.
Good on ya, Jonesy. God speed.
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speaking of rookies
So starts the Daniel Jones story
and ends Opie's.
heh
I understand the hate
- but just takes one injury.
Wrong again kid. I don't hate Eli. I like him, he's was a pretty decent QB, not a HoF QB, but decent.
And you understand very little.
Its amazing what Jones did with the same team Eli had.
Opie's been cooked and has been for awhile.
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that 4th and 9 play was brutal
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speaking of rookies
So starts the Daniel Jones story
and ends Opie's.
heh
I understand the hate
- but just takes one injury.
Wrong again kid. I don't hate Eli. I like him, he's was a pretty decent QB, not a HoF QB, but decent.
And you understand very little.
Its amazing what Jones did with the same team Eli had.
Opie's been cooked and has been for awhile.
I agree.
Its obvious Jones adds a dimension and is an immense talent. As I have repeatedly stated, passing on Darnold was wise
Manning will be in the HOF. Just not yours. Glad you "like" him so much
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I'm just being objective about Eli.
For 99% of his games he was an average NFL QB.
Just look at his stats, year after year of mediocrity.
But he did it a long time.
15 years of mediocrity.
The only league leading stat was interceptions, which he did 3-times.
His HoF case basically rests on a Tyree helmet catch and one great throw to Manningham.
If Tyree doesn't make one of the more improbable catchs in NFL history, snaring Eli's wounded duck, is there even a debate?
He's sort of like Bill Mazerowski, if he doesn't hit that Game 7 9th inning dinger in the '60 WS, against the dynastic Yankees, does he make the HoF?
Eli may make the HoF, people seem to like him, and I like Opie too, always have, but he is not a HoF QB.
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Is Troy Aikman also not a Hall of Fame QB?
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I'm just being objective about Eli.
For 99% of his games he was an average NFL QB.
Just look at his stats, year after year of mediocrity.
But he did it a long time.
15 years of mediocrity.
The only league leading stat was interceptions, which he did 3-times.
His HoF case basically rests on a Tyree helmet catch and one great throw to Manningham.
If Tyree doesn't make one of the more improbable catchs in NFL history, snaring Eli's wounded duck, is there even a debate?
He's sort of like Bill Mazerowski, if he doesn't hit that Game 7 9th inning dinger in the '60 WS, against the dynastic Yankees, does he make the HoF?
Eli may make the HoF, people seem to like him, and I like Opie too, always have, but he is not a HoF QB.
The best (or only) thing I do with HOF discussions, in any sport, is to try to compare the player in question to guys already in there. I think he was as good a QB as was Bob Griese. Jim Kelly and Len Dawson and, perhaps, Terry Bradshaw.
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I think Bank also feels Eli was a bit LUCKY to play all those games consecutively.
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Bank - would Andrew Luck have been a Hall of Famer had he played 3-4 more seasons?
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Is Troy Aikman also not a Hall of Fame QB?
I've no problem with Aikman as a HoF QB.
I would probably comp him more with Bradshaw than Eli.
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I think Bank also feels Eli was a bit LUCKY to play all those games consecutively.
I find it amazing that according to the Eli defenders, with the brutal O-line he has had for the last 6 years, he can still walk, never mind lead the league in interceptions.
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I'm just being objective about Eli.
For 99% of his games he was an average NFL QB.
Just look at his stats, year after year of mediocrity.
But he did it a long time.
15 years of mediocrity.
The only league leading stat was interceptions, which he did 3-times.
His HoF case basically rests on a Tyree helmet catch and one great throw to Manningham.
If Tyree doesn't make one of the more improbable catchs in NFL history, snaring Eli's wounded duck, is there even a debate?
He's sort of like Bill Mazerowski, if he doesn't hit that Game 7 9th inning dinger in the '60 WS, against the dynastic Yankees, does he make the HoF?
Eli may make the HoF, people seem to like him, and I like Opie too, always have, but he is not a HoF QB.
The best (or only) thing I do with HOF discussions, in any sport, is to try to compare the player in question to guys already in there. I think he was as good a QB as was Bob Griese. Jim Kelly and Len Dawson and, perhaps, Terry Bradshaw.
I think comping QBs from different eras is hard, but in particular, QBs pre-2000 and those post-Polian rule changes.
IMO all the QBs you mentioned were vastly better in their time and against their peers than Eli is.
Eli has longevity going for him. Which is fine, he's been an average QB for a long time in the post-Polian era where passing stats are vastly inflated (and rules to aide QBs instituted) versus the playing condsitions of the guys from the '60s to 2000-05, period.
IMO its a different game.
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Bank - would Andrew Luck have been a Hall of Famer had he played 3-4 more seasons?
as a healthy QB-probably.
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Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?
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IMO all the QBs you mentioned were vastly better in their time and against their peers than Eli is.
Maybe. But we could also count the Hall of Famers those guys played with (though Dawson mostly played in the AFL and they didn't get a lot of HOF guys) and the Hall of Famers that Manning played with.
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IMO all the QBs you mentioned were vastly better in their time and against their peers than Eli is.
Maybe. But we could also count the Hall of Famers those guys played with and the Hall of Famers that Manning played with.
No question that Bradshaw etal played with a lot of great guys, and more than Eli. which may explain in part Eli being a .500 QB over the course of his 15 year career.
But the issue remains for 15 years and some 232 games, Eli was never a top-rated QB against his peers. He was a middle of the pack guy.
The argument "for" ignores 99% of his body of work and focuses on 2 SBs.
And again would this conversation be taking place w/out the Tyree catch?
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Eli was never a top-rated QB against his peers. He was a middle of the pack guy.
Top top? Maybe not - and no shame there
Top 50 player 3 times - in 8 seasons of the award - last at age 35
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Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?
what's the question?
Eli threw that pass.
Eli put Giants in that position.
Didnt Tommy Boy have a chance to prevent that?
Were Giants a better team that year? Were Patriots injured? Brain cramped? How about cheated?
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Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?
what's the question?
Eli threw that pass.
Eli put Giants in that position.
Didnt Tommy Boy have a chance to prevent that?
Were Giants a better team that year? Were Patriots injured? Brain cramped? How about cheated?
Kid Please don't compare Brady and Eli, it just magnifies your idiocy, which while it approaches the infinite and is statitically irrleevant, is of concern.
The question was if the refs didn't take a coffee break as Eli was about to get sacked by Seymour, and launched his wounded duck that an all-pro Harrison should have defended better, but was nonthelss snared by Tyree, would anyone in their right mind even consider Eli a HoF QB?
Just heard that Barkely has a high ankle sprain, the same injury that had Brady had in the '07 AFCCG, and that Barkely will be out around 4-6 weeks.
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Eli was never a top-rated QB against his peers. He was a middle of the pack guy.
Top top? Maybe not - and no shame there
Top 50 player 3 times - in 8 seasons of the award - last at age 35
Only the top-top players make the HoF.
He was never an All-pro QB in his career,
Eli has generally been a middle of the pack (AVERAGE) QB for 15 years.
How many Hof QBs do you think have played over the past 15 years?
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Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?
what's the question?
Eli threw that pass.
Eli put Giants in that position.
Correct.
Manning should have been sacked five times on that play. His evasion of the pressure was remarkable. As was his quick decision to get the ball to Tyree once he scrambled to some open space. Tyree was open but well covered, and Eli put the ball high, where it needed to be for it to not be broken up.
The fact that it was caught with the helmet, not sure what that has to do with Eli. You might ask if a better receiver would have made the catch itself less remarkable. Doesn’t say anything about Eli’s efforts to get it there.
Hall of famer? I don’t know. Can’t imagine a less interesting debate.
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heh
its so uninteresting a subject, but one that NFL fans have discussed for years, that a poster who never posts in this forum, decides his fanboy homerism must be expressed.
TFF
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heh
its so uninteresting a subject, but one that NFL fans have discussed for years, that a poster who never posts in this forum, decides his fanboy homerism must be expressed.
TFF
I was curious to see any discussion of Jones, who had a pretty nice debut yesterday.
Then I read a poster making a misinformed argument, and thought I would correct it.
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I read your praise of Eli's mobility and scrambling ability, a trait that he has practically trademarked.
That was some pretty funny Onion-worthy stuff.
thanks for the laugh.
Jones? A nice 2nd half, and nice win, and gives G-Men fans hope and a reason to watch CBS Sunday at 1pm.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ5wDbaVJ3A
The entire 2007 game, in case you forgot how well Manning played.
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Sorry for reminding you of the crazed killer Hernandez
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Oh, the pain.....
Check the escape and the accuracy on the Tyree play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlGuTp9A9jw
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For Hamilton -
Ypu're a complete and utter MORON if you don't give Manning his due for that drive.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ5wDbaVJ3A
The entire 2007 game, in case you forgot how well Manning played.
Thanks for proving my point about Eli.
The case "for" ignores 99% of his body of work and focuses on an improbable win in SB42.
And if not for Tyree's helmet catch...
and kid the game was 7-3 Pats at the end of the 3rd qtr.
It was a defensive struggle.
To put forth that Eli had anything but a pedestrian game, but with a 4th qtr comeback, would be a misleading argument.
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Needed a FG to tie
Incomplete
Sack
Incomplete
Incomplete
Brady was outplayed
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Giants also had a fine coach who had a wonderful day - cant forget that
Hoodie? Not one of his best.
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By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders. Did it not?
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It is like reading the Nomar/Derek debate all over again.
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Bank cant help himself, sticking by "Eli didnt deserve to win that day", rather than give props.
Hamilton say you're a Boston d-----bag.
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I love that Bank will be rotting for Dan Jones the rest of the way., thinking that anything Jones does well proves something about Manning
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By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders. Did it not?
Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.
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Giants also had a fine coach who had a wonderful day - cant forget that
Hoodie? Not one of his best.
what does this have to do with the Eli HoF debate?
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Bank cant help himself, sticking by "Eli didnt deserve to win that day", rather than give props.
Hamilton say you're a Boston d-----bag.
Moron I never made that argument. Learn to read,
The argument made was without the SB42 win, the Eli as a HoF QB doesn't exist.
Don't say "hammy' 3-times, or he will stalk your kids for eternity.
he's a piece of shit.
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I love that Bank will be rotting for Dan Jones the rest of the way., thinking that anything Jones does well probes something about Manning
Kid you are beyond strange.
I'm wholly indifferent to Jones right now.
He's 1-0, with a higher regular season winning % than Eli.
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By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders. Did it not?
Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.
Like I said, misinformed.
A jump ball? And you claim to watch football? Wow.
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By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders. Did it not?
Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.
Like I said, misinformed.
A jump ball? And you claim to watch football? Wow.
Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.
heh
I do watch football moron
So watch the highlights of SB42 that kid posted. After O'Hara horsecollared and choked Seymour, to get him off of Eli, Eli threw it up, it was a 50/50 ball.
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I love that Bank will be rotting for Dan Jones the rest of the way., thinking that anything Jones does well probes something about Manning
Kid you are beyond strange.
I'm wholly indifferent to Jones right now.
He's 1-0, with a higher regular season winning % than Eli.
And Brady too.
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I love that Bank will be rotting for Dan Jones the rest of the way., thinking that anything Jones does well probes something about Manning
Kid you are beyond strange.
I'm wholly indifferent to Jones right now.
He's 1-0, with a higher regular season winning % than Eli.
And Brady too.
Yup Jones has the highest winning % of any NFL QB, EVER!!!
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By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders. Did it not?
Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.
Like I said, misinformed.
A jump ball? And you claim to watch football? Wow.
Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.
heh
I do watch football moron
So watch the highlights of SB42 that kid posted. After O'Hara horsecollared and choked Seymour, to get him off of Eli, Eli threw it up, it was a 50/50 ball.
Good suggestion. Just did. I had said earlier that Tyree was open. Hard to see, but the announcer on the clip I watched described him that way. Harrison also facing the receiver, not watching the ball, which suggests he was beat.
So no. Not a jump ball.
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Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.
You don't do well when someone expresses an opinion that is not your own. This much is clear.
You have a problem with my participating in this forum? I said the HOF discussion was not interesting to me. What I have chimed in on is an obviously biased (I said misinformed, but if you now claim to see the play...) mischaracterization which I have now corrected.
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By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders. Did it not?
Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.
Like I said, misinformed.
A jump ball? And you claim to watch football? Wow.
Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.
heh
I do watch football moron
So watch the highlights of SB42 that kid posted. After O'Hara horsecollared and choked Seymour, to get him off of Eli, Eli threw it up, it was a 50/50 ball.
Good suggestion. Just did. I had said earlier that Tyree was open. Hard to see, but the announcer on the clip I watched described him that way. Harrison also facing the receiver, not watching the ball, which suggests he was beat.
So no. Not a jump ball.
Wrong again.
It was a broken play.
Do you think the play was designed that way?
For Eli to scramble for about 10 seconds and almost getting crushed by 3 Pats rushing him?
If not for O'Hara's chokehold, Eli gets squashed.
It was a fucking fire drill with receivers trying to get open.
Eli chucked a wounded duck jump ball.
You really are a clueless fanboy.
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Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.
You don't do well when someone expresses an opinion that is not your own. This much is clear.
You have a problem with my participating in this forum? I said the HOF discussion was not interesting to me. What I have chimed in on is an obviously biased (I said misinformed, but if you now claim to see the play...) mischaracterization which I have now corrected.
Feel free to add your brand of fanboyism to the forum.
But please for those of us who post here somewhat regularly, wipe up after you're done expressing yourself.
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By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders. Did it not?
Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.
Like I said, misinformed.
A jump ball? And you claim to watch football? Wow.
Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.
heh
I do watch football moron
So watch the highlights of SB42 that kid posted. After O'Hara horsecollared and choked Seymour, to get him off of Eli, Eli threw it up, it was a 50/50 ball.
Good suggestion. Just did. I had said earlier that Tyree was open. Hard to see, but the announcer on the clip I watched described him that way. Harrison also facing the receiver, not watching the ball, which suggests he was beat.
So no. Not a jump ball.
Wrong again.
It was a broken play.
Do you think the play was designed that way?
For Eli to scramble for about 10 seconds and almost getting crushed by 3 Pats rushing him?
If not for O'Hara's chokehold, Eli gets squashed.
It was a fucking fire drill with receivers trying to get open.
Eli chucked a wounded duck jump ball.
You really are a clueless fanboy.
Receivers get open on broken plays. QBs regularly get credit for finding them after scrambling to elude defenders. Only someone with an agenda would describe such a connection as a “jump ball” only because the original play was broken.
And only an asshole would describe someone as a “clueless fanboy” after they make a fact-based argument only because they don’t agree with the conclusion.
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WHEEEEEEE
Eli threw a wounded duck jump ball off a broken play that Tyree outjumped Harrison for.
And only a clueless fanboy moron would give their opinion that is wholly an opinion and insist it was fact-based.
You really are a moron.
and there should be a box of kleenex around here for you to wipe up your fanboy expressions,
Hammy used it quite regularly.
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Eli threw a wounded duck jump ball off a broken play that Tyree outjumped Harrison for.
Nah, man - much better pass than that
The escape was of course the key
You just didnt get the turnovers/stops you needed. Tough vs an in his prime HOF QB. I even credit Eli for some of the sacks he took. Took care of the ball. Turned the page.
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Giants also had a fine coach who had a wonderful day - cant forget that
Hoodie? Not one of his best.
what does this have to do with the Eli HoF debate?
Nothing
And there is no debate
Just some asshole yelling, "The world is flat!!!!"
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Giants also had a fine coach who had a wonderful day - cant forget that
Hoodie? Not one of his best.
what does this have to do with the Eli HoF debate?
Nothing
And there is no debate
Just some asshole yelling, "The world is flat!!!!"
Perhaps you should stop yelling.
And there will be some discussion in about 5-6 years, covering the issue I raised but you, excuse my wording, have chosen to duck.
But thanks again for proving my point, that to support Eli's HoF credentials you must ignore 99% of his body of work.
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Perhaps you should stop yelling.
heh
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Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?
No credit for Eli's mobility to even get that pass off?
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The argument "for" ignores 99% of his body of work and focuses on 2 SBs.
2 Super Bowl MVPs against the supposed GOAT.
Forgive the focus. But that's like not focusing on Pam Anderson's chest.
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The argument "for" ignores 99% of his body of work and focuses on 2 SBs.
2 Super Bowl MVPs against the supposed GOAT.
Forgive the focus. But that's like not focusing on Pam Anderson's chest.
The narrow focus was my point, so thanks for once more, proving it.
To reiterate, one has to ignore 99% of Eli's pedestrian body of work assembled over 15 years, to promote his HoF candidacy.
And it may work, he might get in.
We'll find out in 5-6 years
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I don't think that's fair, Banks.
He only played in 246 games. And he did well in 8 of his 12 playoff games, so that would be ignoring 96.75% of his games, not 99%.
Sure, he lost 4 of the 6 first round games he played in, but so what?!
He's 27th in comebacks and 37th in 4th quarter drives.
And 6th all time in fumbles! 3 of the guys ahead of him are in the Hall of Fame, after all.
Sure he's thrown 50 more interceptions than Big Ben and 70 more than TB12, but Drew Brees is only a few behind him - and will stay that way for a while.
And the folks his career is like include Big Ben, Warren Moon*, Terry Bradshaw*, John Hadl, Bob Griese*, Drew Bledsoe, Donovan McNabb, Joe Montana*, Carson Palmer, and Jim Kelly*.
A bunch of them are in the Hall already. So, maybe he does belong, despite his overall mediocre numbers. Or maybe he's like Hadl, Bledsoe, McNabb, and Palmer.
Would you put any of them in the Hall?! How about Big Ben?
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An accomplishment thought impossible!
Besting the best coach of all time.... not once, but twice.
as the MVP.
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https://www.bigblueview.com/2019/9/24/20881889/ny-giants-daniel-jones-film-study-how-well-did-he-handle-pressure-on-sunday
(https://www.bigblueview.com/2019/9/24/20881889/ny-giants-daniel-jones-film-study-how-well-did-he-handle-pressure-on-sunday)
Jones was pressured on 47 percent of his drop backs Sunday - third highest among all Week 3 quarterbacks - and he completed 80 percent of his passes on those pressured attempts for 233 yards, two touchdowns and a perfect 158.3 passer rating. Building off of that, Scott Barrett from Pro Football Focus indicated that those numbers were the fourth-most pressured passing yards by any quarterback in any regular season game in PFF’s history, a timeframe that spans 2007 through 2019. During that decade-plus, there are 1,674 instances of a QB attempting at least 12 pressured pass attempts in a game, and here is the list of quarterbacks who finished with a perfect passer rating:
Daniel Jones.
That’s it. He’s the list.
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Josh
I think Bennie R is a 1st year HoF lock.
Hadl is interesting. He was one of the best QBs-gunslingers in the old pre-merger AFL,
I liked him as a QB. I would lean to vote him in.
I think if one takes a look at the stats which I sensed you may have, there is a huge # inflation which the post-2000 QBs have benefitted from. I'm ballparking that on passing yards its in the 12-20% range.
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An accomplishment thought impossible!
Besting the best coach of all time.... not once, but twice.
as the MVP.
Tuck and the Giants D was the real MVP of SB42.
As to impossible accomplishments, in 2011, the Giants beat the Pats in Foxboro during the regular season. (24-20)
I had the G-Men as the real favorite (3 points) in SB46.
Pats had the 31th ranked defense that year.
The Giants were a terrible match-up for them.
I think what we are finding is impossible is for G-Men fans to focus on and discuss Opies performance in his 232 regular season games which account for almost all his career.
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Up to 25-22...
solid 11-5 week
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Today's quiz -
In how many regular season games did Eli Manning have a 100+ passer rating?
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Today's quiz -
In how many regular season games did Eli Manning have a 100+ passer rating?
Just counted (may be off a little-tired eyes)
I had it at 62 or about 26.7% of his games,
Not as many as Brady (129-47.4%) , Brees (117-44.1%) Benny (89-40,6%), or Rivers (98-46.4%)
Eli is tied with Joe Flacco in 44th place with 84.1 career QB rating
Did you have a point?
Other than proving mine?
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Eli is tied with Joe Flacco in 44th place with 84.1 career QB rating
There are only 22 active quarterbacks with higher career passer ratings (not qbr) than Eli.
Give the guy a break.
Okay, there are only 4 active QBs with lower career passer ratings than Eli...
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Eli is tied with Joe Flacco in 44th place with 84.1 career QB rating
There are only 22 active quarterbacks with higher career passer ratings (not qbr) than Eli.
Give the guy a break.
Okay, there are only 4 active QBs with lower career passer ratings than Eli...
I get it. Super Bowls aren't important.
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Kam - wrong approach
Bank thinks 100+ passer ratings are mediocre and top 50 players can be average QBs. That is where he goes seriously awry.
I don't mind that he comes to the improper conclusion that Tyrees catch puts Eli in the Hall, where he would not otherwise be. Its the Den-like extremism (see anything with 99% in it) that is his absolute undoing and why none of us needs to continue what BS considers a "debate"
I told you all on the Knicks forum that Bank would soil the space when he arrived. And he did. Not unlike here.
Stick around Lam. Maybe make some weekly picks. The forum needs some new air, surely.
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Eli is tied with Joe Flacco in 44th place with 84.1 career QB rating
There are only 22 active quarterbacks with higher career passer ratings (not qbr) than Eli.
Give the guy a break.
Okay, there are only 4 active QBs with lower career passer ratings than Eli...
I get it. Super Bowls aren't important.
heh
Kam
I'm pretty sure that's NOT the take-away from my Eli points, but if it makes you sleep easier to mangle my pretty easy to understand point, feel free to mangle away..
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Kid seems upset that his hot take talking point quiz about the # of Eli's 100+ QB rating games was fact checked and put into actual comparative context with several QBs from the same era and proved that on that stat, Eli was clearly an average QB.
He proved my point, so now he resorts to insults and ends up soiling himself on this forum.
TFF
grow-up kid
and have mom change your diapers.
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kid the 99% was derived from the singular focus on Eli's 2 SB wins while ignoring 232 regular season games.
232/234 = 99.1%
ask your teacher to show you how to do long-division,
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I think Manning winning 5 post-season road games to get those Super Bowls (only one home game in those two seasons) should probably be looked at too.
Winning games on the road in the NFL playoffs can be extraordinarily difficult.
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Good point.
I always thouht Eli's game against the 49ers, where he got absolutely pounded was a great win.
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The OT win against Green Bay in the NFC Championship game of Manning's first Super Bowl season was one of my favorite Giants' wins ever. I thought Coughlin was going to die.
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This fucking
argument pissing match is going to go on for the next six years, isn't it.
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This fucking argument pissing match is going to go on for the next six years, isn't it.
Probably not.
I brought up the subject tangentially in the context of Eli being replaced by Jones.
seems I upset the the silent but suddenly vocal Opie loyalists who never post here.
I was expecting more chatter on the Browns this year.
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NFL Thursday 9/26
9/26 8:20 ET Green Bay -4.5 Eagles 45 27-20
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kid the 99% was derived from the singular focus on Eli's 2 SB wins while ignoring 232 regular season games.
You make no sense
64 times passer rating was 100+ for a reg season game
All part of the HOF resume
And by the way - the game is not over if Tyree drops the ball - but very likely is if Eli throws a pick - and made much more difficult had he not escaped the sack
Now please - be done with it
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kid the 99% was derived from the singular focus on Eli's 2 SB wins while ignoring 232 regular season games.
You make no sense
64 times passer rating was 100+ for a reg season game
All part of the HOF resume
And by the way - the game is not over if Tyree drops the ball - but very likely is if Eli throws a pick - and made much more difficult had he not escaped the sack
Now please - be done with it
Kid
I made perfect sense.
That you wish to obfuscate the facts with a baseless charge is clear.
To reiterate, you threw out a new metric "100+ passer rating game, as a quiz, to be answered, with no information whatsoever, but presumably to bolster Eli's HoF credntials.
So I checked the stats and answered your quiz on the matter, BUT then overlayed Eli's # re the stat with a few other QBs, who played in the same period, for roughly the same length of time, so as to create a level playing field, BUT to also put the # into some context.
And I had no idea what I wa going to find.
When I looked up and counted Elis #s I had no idea if 62 (or 64) was a lot or not.
So i looked at some other guys (Brady, Brees, Benny, Rivers) .
And what I found was that Eli's # were well below the more elite QBs in the league, and his career of a paser rating placed him in 44th place among QBs, a rather pedestrain ranking on your cherry picked stat.
So don't get pissed at me that the metric you chose to validate Eli's HoF candidacy, only proved my point that he's has been mostly a middle of the pack QB, for most of a long career.
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and its unfortunate that the mystery of long-division still escapes you.
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boz
I'm sorry but kid seems intent on making a fool of himself on this matter.
Nomar!
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Wow
What a dick.
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Favre checks in on Eli
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2855304-brett-favre-deep-down-eli-manning-didnt-want-daniel-jones-to-excel-in-debut?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
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Wow
What a dick.
That's not the first time I heard that. But when I did I thought it was meant to flatter.
I don't sense that was your meaning.
heh
Don't be pissed-I just used your cherry-picked metric, and put some facts and context around it, to poke a hole in your argument.
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Packers -4 looks like an interesting venture tonight
Pack 24-17
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27707277/sources-nfl-owners-proposing-17-game-slate (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27707277/sources-nfl-owners-proposing-17-game-slate)
As talks continue for a new collective bargaining agreement between the NFL and the players' union, the most dramatic proposal on the table from owners is an expanded regular season to 17 games that could eliminate preseason games in their entirety, sources told ESPN.
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Quite a stand by the Eagles' defense at the end of the game. 9 goal-to-go plays by the Packers, to no avail.
I hope that Maddox is okay.
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somewhere Forest Gregg and Jerry Kramer shed a tear
Packers got some work to do on that goal line offense
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G-Men bench Eli
Jones takes the helm
I give Shurmur credit for being decisively non PC
Gonna go with Jones-Latimer as the new PLUS hookup.
Lookin like Jones-Slayton deep threat for the forseeable future.
We will see what Tate brings.
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Eagles Injury Update: Cornerback Avonte Maddox Moving Extremities
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Eagles Injury Update: Cornerback Avonte Maddox Moving Extremities
By Mike Greger
Updated Sep 27, 2019 at 11:17am
Avonte Maddox
The Eagles earned a potentially season-saving win Thursday night over the Packers. It came with a huge cost.
Cornerback Avonte Maddox left the field on a stretcher in a scary moment. The second-year player collided with teammate Andrew Sendejo with less than a minute remaining in the game in a vicious helmet-to-helmet hit. Maddox lay motionless on the turf for an extended period with an apparent concussion. Both benches cleared in support of the injured Eagle.
On Friday morning, Maddox updated everyone on his status. He is recovering nicely and feeling better. The Eagles haven’t set a timetable for his return.
Avonte Maddox
✔
@2live_AM
Everything is going well. Appreciate the prayers and get well wishes. God is good. 🙏🏽
Tweet from Maddox this morning.
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KO Pool
week 4 Chargers
1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
3-Cowboys
4-Chargers
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NFL Line 9/26 - 9/30, 2019
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
9/26 8:20 ET Green Bay -4.5 Eagles 45 27-20 L
9/29 1:00 ET Houston -4.5 Panthers 46
9/29 1:00 ET Baltimore -7 Browns 46
9/29 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 Redskins 47.5
9/29 1:00 ET Chargers -16.5 Miami 45
9/29 1:00 ET Indianapolis -7 Raiders 45
9/29 1:00 ET Chiefs -6 Detroit 54
9/29 1:00 ET Patriots -7 Buffalo 42.5
9/29 1:00 ET Atlanta -4 Titans 45.5
9/29 4:05 ET LA Rams -10 Buccaneers 50.5
9/29 4:05 ET Seahawks -5 Arizona 47.5
9/29 4:25 ET Chicago -2.5 Vikings 38
9/29 4:25 ET Denver -3 Jaguars 38
9/29 8:20 ET Cowboys -2.5 New Orleans 46
9/30 8:15 ET Pittsburgh -4 Bengals 43.5
Week 4 Byes: NY Jets, San Francisco
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NFL Line 9/26 - 9/30, 2019
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
9/26 8:20 ET Green Bay -4.5 Eagles 45 27-20 L
9/29 1:00 ET Houston -4.5 Panthers 46 27-20
9/29 1:00 ET Baltimore -7 Browns 46 24-21
9/29 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 Redskins 47.5 27-20
9/29 1:00 ET Chargers -16.5 Miami 45 28-14
9/29 1:00 ET Indianapolis -7 Raiders 45 27-21
9/29 1:00 ET Chiefs -6 Detroit 54 34-27
9/29 1:00 ET Patriots -7 Buffalo 42.5 27-17
9/29 1:00 ET Atlanta -4 Titans 45.5 26-19
9/29 4:05 ET LA Rams -10 Bucs 50.5 31-19
9/29 4:05 ET Seahawks -5 Arizona 47.5 27-24
9/29 4:25 ET Chicago -2.5 Vikings 38 17-20
9/29 4:25 ET Denver -3 Jaguars 38 20-14
9/29 8:20 ET Cowboys -2.5 New O 46 24-27
9/30 8:15 ET Pittsburgh -4 Bengals 43.5 27-17
Week 4 Byes: NY Jets, San Francisco
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sometimes a defensive struggle can be a thing of beauty.
this one was kind of ugly
but awinzawin
Pats need to fix their banged up O-line
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Had twice as many receptions as Peppers.
But Peppers scored.
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Seems DG was right and all the talking media heads were dead wrong.
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Had twice as many receptions as Peppers.
But Peppers scored.
He really hasn't been missed.
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Had twice as many receptions as Peppers.
But Peppers scored.
He really hasn't been missed.
Evan Engram as the new focal-point for receptions along with Saquon's pass catching when healthy gives the Giants two dynamic players who can gain yards after the catch. OBJ may be the best receiver of the bunch but his ego being gone lets steadier heads prevail to leadership. Daniel Jones still has good receivers to throw to. SShephard is a worthy starter and we will see what Tate brings.
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Had twice as many receptions as Peppers.
But Peppers scored.
He really hasn't been missed.
heh
not the point but we will see
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I see the GI Ants released Bennie Fowler. Quick trivia: Bennie Fowler is the last person to...?
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Pats put Gostkowski on IR-having season ending (hip?) surgery.
Carli Lloyd come on down.
Pats holding audutions.
Good news there don't appear to be many "FG" games in the near future.
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I'm from the "kickers are a dime-a-dozen" school. Like finding a closer, it's easy to find a good kicker. Unless you can't.
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I see the GI Ants released Bennie Fowler. Quick trivia: Bennie Fowler is the last person to...?
No one cares? He was the last person to catch a pass from Peyton Manning, a 2 pt. converion in the Super Bowl.
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5-10, 30-32
This week:
10/3 8:20 ET Seattle -1 Rams 49
10/6 1:00 ET Ravens -4 Pittsburgh 42.5
10/6 1:00 ET Bears -5 Oakland (At London) 41.5
10/6 1:00 ET Cincinnati -4.5 Cardinals 48.5
10/6 1:00 ET Carolina -3.5 Jaguars 41
10/6 1:00 ET Vikings -5 NY Giants 45
10/6 1:00 ET Patriots -15.5 Washington 44
10/6 1:00 ET Philadelphia -14 Jets 44.5
10/6 1:00 ET New Orleans -4 Buccaneers 47
10/6 1:00 ET Houston -5 Falcons 49
10/6 1:00 ET Tennessee -2.5 Bills 38.5
10/6 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Broncos 43.5
10/6 4:25 ET Dallas -3.5 Packers 47
10/6 8:20 ET Kansas City -10.5 Colts 57
10/7 8:15 ET San Francisco -3.5 Browns 47.5
Week 5 Byes: Detroit, Miami
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Rams 27 Seahawks 24
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Pats put Gostkowski on IR-having season ending (hip?) surgery.
Carli Lloyd come on down.
Pats holding audutions.
Good news there don't appear to be many "FG" games in the near future.
Yeah, they really fucking crushed the Bills
Heh
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I see the GI Ants released Bennie Fowler. Quick trivia: Bennie Fowler is the last person to...?
No one cares? He was the last person to catch a pass from Peyton Manning, a 2 pt. converion in the Super Bowl.
I've been banned from talking about Michigan State players. If it's any consolation, I still care more about Fowler than I do about Kid's gambing spam.
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Pats put Gostkowski on IR-having season ending (hip?) surgery.
Carli Lloyd come on down.
Pats holding audutions.
Good news there don't appear to be many "FG" games in the near future.
Yeah, they really fucking crushed the Bills
Heh
that wasn't the point
you are aware the pending their next round of injuries, they are 15.5 point favorites against the skins?
and that if they survive the skins they then get back to back games against the two titans, the double-headed beast of Jersey football, and they figure to be double-digit favorites in those games.
Pats need to find a guy who can kick the ball mid end-zone deep on kick-offs and hit a 45 yarder and they'll be ok.
They have some other bigger issues to deal with.
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I see the GI Ants released Bennie Fowler. Quick trivia: Bennie Fowler is the last person to...?
No one cares? He was the last person to catch a pass from Peyton Manning, a 2 pt. converion in the Super Bowl.
I've been banned from talking about Michigan State players. If it's any consolation, I still care more about Fowler than I do about Kid's gambing spam.
Funny, for me Methchicken players stop being Methchicken players shortly after they reach the next level. But once a Spartan always a Spartan.
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I see the GI Ants released Bennie Fowler. Quick trivia: Bennie Fowler is the last person to...?
No one cares? He was the last person to catch a pass from Peyton Manning, a 2 pt. converion in the Super Bowl.
I've been banned from talking about Michigan State players. If it's any consolation, I still care more about Fowler than I do about Kid's gambing spam.
Funny, for me Methchicken players stop being Methchicken players shortly after they reach the next level. But once a Spartan always a Spartan.
My daughter is a stern taskmaster.
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speaking of Wolverines of Ann Arbor
Pat's rookie rusher Chase Winovich has created a positive impression
a ball of fury on 3rd and longs.
Hail! to the victors valiant
Hail! to the conquering heroes...
always liked that song
Hail! Hail! to Meatchicken
You've gravy on your vest.
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speaking of Wolverines of Ann Arbor
Pat's rookie rusher Chase Winovich has created a positive impression
a ball of fury on 3rd and longs.
Hail! to the victors valiant
Hail! to the conquering heroes...
always liked that song
Hail! Hail! to Meatchicken
You've gravy on your vest.
Our version of that song was much different. In retrospect horribly anti-intellectual, scatological, and homophobic.
Winovich may take me longer to transition from. I believe Shallique Calhoun is playing a far more important role in the Pat's defense.
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speaking of Wolverines of Ann Arbor
Pat's rookie rusher Chase Winovich has created a positive impression
a ball of fury on 3rd and longs.
Hail! to the victors valiant
Hail! to the conquering heroes...
always liked that song
Hail! Hail! to Meatchicken
You've gravy on your vest.
Our version of that song was much different. In retrospect horribly anti-intellectual, scatological, and homophobic.
Winovich may take me longer to transition from. I believe Shallique Calhoun is playing a far more important role in the Pat's defense.
I was toying with doing something a little less p/c, but chickened out and went with gravy/vest.
But I can imagine the opportunity to offend on several scores is certainly there.
There are some elements of the bad old days I miss.
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for a Thurs game that was pretty good.
that pick was shades of the Edelman SB magic minus 3 guys on top of him.
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Hahaaaa
Beat (push) by a Greg the Leg choke?
Tough one.
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KO Pool Week 5
5-Eagles
1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
3-Cowboys
4-Chargers
5-Eagles
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10/3 8:20 ET Seattle -1 Rams 49 24-27 L
10/6 1:00 ET Ravens -4 Pittsburgh 42.5 17-20
10/6 1:00 ET Bears -5 Oakland (At London) 41.5 20-17
10/6 1:00 ET Cincinnati -4.5 Cardinals 48.5 27-24
10/6 1:00 ET Carolina -3.5 Jaguars 41 23-16
10/6 1:00 ET Vikings -5 NY Giants 45 21-23
10/6 1:00 ET Patriots -15.5 Washington 44 29-14
10/6 1:00 ET Philadelphia -14 Jets 44.5 28-13
10/6 1:00 ET New Orleans -4 Buccaneers 47 30-23
10/6 1:00 ET Houston -5 Falcons 49 27-24
10/6 1:00 ET Tennessee -2.5 Bills 38.5 20-17
10/6 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Broncos 43.5 27-17
10/6 4:25 ET Dallas -3.5 Packers 47 21-24
10/6 8:20 ET Kansas City -10.5 Colts 57 31-23
10/7 8:15 ET San Francisco -3.5 Browns 47.5 24-27
Week 5 Byes: Detroit, Miami
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10/3 8:20 ET Seattle -1 Rams 49 24-27 L
10/6 1:00 ET Ravens -4 Pittsburgh 42.5 17-20 W
10/6 1:00 ET Bears -5 Oakland (At London) 41.5 20-17 W
10/6 1:00 ET Cincinnati -4.5 Cardinals 48.5 27-24 W
10/6 1:00 ET Carolina -3.5 Jaguars 41 23-16 W
10/6 1:00 ET Vikings -5 NY Giants 45 21-23 L
10/6 1:00 ET Patriots -15.5 Washington 44 29-14 L
10/6 1:00 ET Philadelphia -14 Jets 44.5 28-13 W
10/6 1:00 ET New Orleans -4 Buccaneers 47 30-23 W
10/6 1:00 ET Houston -5 Falcons 49 27-24 L
10/6 1:00 ET Tennessee -2.5 Bills 38.5 20-17 L
10/6 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Broncos 43.5 27-17
10/6 4:25 ET Dallas -3.5 Packers 47 21-24
10/6 8:20 ET Kansas City -10.5 Colts 57 31-23
10/7 8:15 ET San Francisco -3.5 Browns 47.5 24-27
Week 5 Byes: Detroit, Miami
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Pats D dominated again aganst a bad team
they need to find a better band-aid for their O-line woes
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Pats D dominated again aganst a bad team
they need to find a better band-aid for their O-line woes
In case there is a good team from the NFC in the Super Bowl?
All gowdying aside, it's true, but they still have close to a month to get it figured out.
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Loved seeing Indy beat KC.
The former Patriot quarterbacks are 6-2 so far this season, which is not bad.
Which do you think will finish with the better record this year? Jimmy G or Jacoby B?
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Weird week
6-8 winners
8-6 spread
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Hopr they win 3-4 games now and miss on the top pick
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Giants recent history good as double digit dogs:
https://nypost.com/2019/10/09/giants-havent-been-this-much-of-an-underdog-in-nearly-40-years/
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looks like a monsoon for Foxboro tomorrow night.
pound the under (opened at 46 now 41, I got 42 1/2)
spread now up to 17
could be a tricky cover in bad weather
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Better trust your kicker.
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in a monsoon, I'd rather put my trust in the O-line and D-line to determine the outcome.
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A 30 min presentation detailing all the teams throughout NFL history and explaining how each team got its name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovdbrdCIP7U
Includes some vintage play clips.
Interesting.
They say the last NFL team to fold was the one-year Dallas Texans (1959 or 60, I think it was).
Many teams got their name from Fan Naming Contests.
The Cowboys were almost named the Steers, the fan favorite name, but Tex Shramm didn't like it. Rangers was also strongly considered. but then they went with the simple and classic Cowboys, a backup choice.
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Tonight's NFL
(38-39 season record)
10/10 8:20 ET New England -16.5 Giants 42.5
Comes down to can the Giants block?
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KO Pool
wk-6 I'm kicking it between (risk low to high) Pats, Pack, Chiefs
I was thinking of using Skins, but new coach on the road seemed too big a risk.
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They say the last NFL team to fold was the one-year Dallas Texans (1959 or 60, I think it was).
They really didn't fold, but Hunt moved them to KC after 3 years in Dallas, and renamed them the Chiefs.
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There was an NFL team, the Dallas Texans that played one season in the early 50's and moved to Baltimore and became the Colts.
The Texans had earlier in been in Boston (as the Yanks) and New York as the Bulldogs.
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Tonight's NFL
(38-39 season record)
10/10 8:20 ET New England -16.5 Giants 42.5
Comes down to can the Giants block?
Weather looking better - so we will go with the OVER
No Eli, so we will go away from the Giants cover trend
30-13 Pats
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I got the year confused (due to the two Dallas Texan teams).
The 1960 era Dallas Texans, which moved to KC, were an AFL team.
The NFL Dallas Texans lasted one year -- 1952 -- and are considered the last NFL franchise to fail. They pretty much took over the failed NY Yanks players, but weren't considered a continuation of that lineage. The Baltimore Colts started in 1953 and took on many of the Texan players, but are considered an expansion team and new franchise.
So the Dallas Texans are considered a one year franchise which failed.
Apparently had a rough season and the last few home games were played in Hershey PA and one in Ohio.
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Tonight's NFL
(38-39 season record)
10/10 8:20 ET New England -16.5 Giants 42.5
Comes down to can the Giants block?
Weather looking better - so we will go with the OVER
No Eli, so we will go away from the Giants cover trend
30-13 Pats
Don't let those sunny Jersey skies fool you kid, from what I can tell the monsoon is still on for southeastern Ma. And should hit Foxboro with heavy rain and wind of 20-40mph).
From this AM's Globe
In addition to the rain that has already fallen, another 3 to 6 inches is expected Thursday and Friday in Southeastern Massachusetts, where storm totals could reach 8 inches, the weather service said.
A high wind warning is in effect until 6 a.m. Friday for Cape Cod and the Islands, as well as Block Island in Rhode Island, with gusts up to 60 miles per hour expected. On Thursday morning, gusts of 35 to 45 miles per hour were reported, with sustained winds of 25 to 35 miles per hour.
You're conservative right kid?
So lets go with a conservative 27-3 Pats
Who knows its possible Dylan was wrong.
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Shaughnessy on Pats-Giants WBW
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/10/09/the-giants-remember-are-big-part-new-england-football-history/hew8CZg1WHE3kmcGdf5EnI/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/10/09/the-giants-remember-are-big-part-new-england-football-history/hew8CZg1WHE3kmcGdf5EnI/story.html)
The New York Giants, who will play the 5-0 Patriots Thursday night at Gillette Stadium, are a big part of New England’s football history. Your awareness of Patriots-Giants linkage depends on your age.
If you’re a New England football fan over the age of 60, it’s a whole different story. You probably grew up rooting for the Giants. They were your team before the Patriots became your team.
As a little kid, I loved the Giants, even though they played in Yankee Stadium. The Giants contended annually. They had star power. They played in the greatest game ever played, the 1958 sudden-death championship game against the Baltimore Colts. The Giants had Frank Gifford, Sam Huff, Y.A. Tittle, Roosevelt Grier, and Del Shofner.
“The first three years of the Patriots, we played our games on Friday nights because we didn’t want to compete with the Giants on Sunday,’’ says former Patriots general manager Patrick Sullivan, whose father, Billy Sullivan, was the founder of the Patriots. “It was an uphill battle.
It was easy to root for both teams pre-merger, and I did, but by the mid-60s I was more Pats fan than Giants fans. And I could and did see them play in several area stadiums including Fenway and BC.
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Pats O-line is a disaster
they need a fix ASAP
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wasn't pretty
D controlled and won the game and offense eventually wore down the Giants
but AWINZAWIN
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Back to .500 at 39-39 vs spread
Here is the rest of the slate for this week:
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/10 8:20 ET New England -16.5 vs Giants 42.5 30-13 W
10/13 9:30 ET Panthers -2 Tampa Bay(@London) 48
10/13 1:00 ET Baltimore -11.5 vs Bengals 48
10/13 1:00 ET Seahawks -1.5 at Cleveland 47.5
10/13 1:00 ET Kansas City -5.5 vs Texans 55
10/13 1:00 ET Jacksonville -1 vs Saints 44.5
10/13 1:00 ET Minnesota -3 vs Eagles 43.5
10/13 1:00 ET Redskins -3.5 at Miami 41
10/13 4:05 ET LA Rams -3.5 vs 49ers 50
10/13 4:05 ET Falcons -2.5 at Arizona 51.5
10/13 4:25 ET Cowboys -7.5 at NY Jets 43.5
10/13 4:25 ET Denver -2.5 vs Titans 39
10/13 8:20 ET LA Chargers -6.5 vs Steelers 41
10/14 8:15 ET Green Bay -5 vs Lions 47
Week 6 Byes: Buffalo, Chicago, Indianapolis, Oakland
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Giants defense did some good things last night. They kept the game close for a while. Held Brady without a TD. I'm truly impressed with Jones play. Yes the interceptions were bad mistakes, and he has to learn from the disguised coverages he saw. But he probably learned a lot these last two weeks against the Vikings and Pats D. If he is making the same mistakes at the end of the season that will be cause for concern, but if he watches the tape and corrects his reads the Giants might be set at QB for the next 5-10 years.
The 5th rd pick, Darius Slayton, continues to impress as well. Fastest guy on the team.
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10/10 8:20 ET New England -16.5 vs Giants 42.5 30-13 W
10/13 9:30 ET Panthers -2 Tampa Bay(@London) 48 24-27
10/13 1:00 ET Baltimore -11.5 vs Bengals 48 29-17
10/13 1:00 ET Seahawks -1.5 at Cleveland 47.5 24-21
10/13 1:00 ET Kansas City -5.5 vs Texans 55 31-27
10/13 1:00 ET Jacksonville -1 vs Saints 44.5 21-24
10/13 1:00 ET Minnesota -3 vs Eagles 43.5 24-17
10/13 1:00 ET Redskins -3.5 at Miami 41 20-17
10/13 4:05 ET LA Rams -3.5 vs 49ers 50 28-24
10/13 4:05 ET Falcons -2.5 at Arizona 51.5 24-27
10/13 4:25 ET Cowboys -7.5 at NY Jets 43.5 28-14
10/13 4:25 ET Denver -2.5 vs Titans 39 20-17
10/13 8:20 ET LA Chargers -6.5 vs Steelers 41 24-21
10/14 8:15 ET Green Bay -5 vs Lions 47 30-21
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10/10 8:20 ET New England -16.5 vs Giants 42.5 30-13 W
10/13 9:30 ET Panthers -2 Tampa Bay(@London) 48 24-27 L
10/13 1:00 ET Baltimore -11.5 vs Bengals 48 29-17 L
10/13 1:00 ET Seahawks -1.5 at Cleveland 47.5 24-21 W
10/13 1:00 ET Kansas City -5.5 vs Texans 55 31-27 W
10/13 1:00 ET Jacksonville -1 vs Saints 44.5 21-24 W
10/13 1:00 ET Minnesota -3 vs Eagles 43.5 24-17 W
10/13 1:00 ET Redskins -3.5 at Miami 41 20-17 W
10/13 4:05 ET LA Rams -3.5 vs 49ers 50 28-24
10/13 4:05 ET Falcons -2.5 at Arizona 51.5 24-27
10/13 4:25 ET Cowboys -7.5 at NY Jets 43.5 28-14
10/13 4:25 ET Denver -2.5 vs Titans 39 20-17
10/13 8:20 ET LA Chargers -6.5 vs Steelers 41 24-21
10/14 8:15 ET Green Bay -5 vs Lions 47 30-21
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Darnold showing some intestinal fortitude as the qtr closes.
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The Washingtonians were the only winners this week. Still anybody's division.
3-3
3-3
2-4
1-5
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Entertaining Jets-Cowboy game
Fireman Ed goes home happy
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I benched a guy who caught three touchdown passes in favor of a guy who dropped three touchdown passes.
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Entertaining Jets-Cowboy game
Fireman Ed goes home happy
Jets D saved Sam
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I swear, Rodgers lost 2 yards the last time he took a knee.
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Wow. 2 1 point wins in a row. May be my year.
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More then that: Rodgers got exactly 10 yards rushing.
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So that was the difference I guess - 1 or 2 scrambles. The late TD, of course.....
Oh, that Rodgers. There they are again, at 5-1.
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looking at Bills or 49ers week 7 KO pool
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Thursday nighter
10/17 8:20 ET Chiefs -3.5 Denver 49
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10/17 8:20 ET Chiefs -3.5 Denver 49 24-21
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10/17 8:20 ET Chiefs -3.5 Denver 49 24-21
The Chiefs covered and handily, though they were definitely under.
But what does the Mahomes injury do to the rest of the season? Is he back in just a few weeks or is it more severe than that?! (And how could they let him insist on walking?!)
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10/17 8:20 ET Chiefs -3.5 Denver 49 24-21 L
48-45 overall
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10/17 8:20 ET Chiefs -3.5 Denver 49 24-21 L
10/20 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 Cardinals 49.5
10/20 1:00 ET Indianapolis -1 Texans 48
10/20 1:00 ET Buffalo -17 Dolphins 40
10/20 1:00 ET Vikings -1 Detroit 45
10/20 1:00 ET Green Bay -6 Raiders 46.5
10/20 1:00 ET Jaguars -3 Cincinnati 43.5
10/20 1:00 ET Rams -3 Atlanta 54
10/20 1:00 ET 49ers -10 Washington 41.5
10/20 4:05 ET Tennessee -2 Chargers 40
10/20 4:25 ET Seattle -3.5 Ravens 50.5
10/20 4:25 ET Chicago -3 Saints 38.5
10/20 8:20 ET Dallas -3 Eagles 48.5
10/21 8:15 ET Patriots -9.5 NY Jets 42.5
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looking at Bills or 49ers week 7 KO pool
I generally keep these pools as simple as possible, but I may use 49ers in one pool and Bills in my other one
and then if I get both of them through, and get through week 8, then flip-flop and use 49ers and Bills in week 9.
I have to get picks in tomorrow AM
so plenty of time to 2nd guess myself.
heh
I bowed to peer pressure and local custom and took Pats -9 1/2 at my local watering hole.
I'm legitimately wary of this game, Pats offense is on vapors, its basically Brady and Edleman and a couple of UDFA
Pats O-line is a mess, no running game, and porous as swiss cheese,
and the J-E-T-S have a D
not too dissimilar to what we saw last weekend with Jets and Cowboys
I think there's a half-decent chance of a Jets straight win in a really ugly defensive low-scoring game game (like 17-14).
My best case for the cover is Pats 24-Jets 10-14
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10/17 8:20 ET Chiefs -3.5 Denver 49 24-21 L
10/20 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 Cardinals 49.5 24-27
10/20 1:00 ET Indianapolis -1 Texans 48 24-27
10/20 1:00 ET Buffalo -17 Dolphins 40 31-10
10/20 1:00 ET Vikings -1 Detroit 45 23-21
10/20 1:00 ET Green Bay -6 Raiders 46.5 27-17
10/20 1:00 ET Jaguars -3 Cincinnati 43.5 24-17
10/20 1:00 ET Rams -3 Atlanta 54 27-30
10/20 1:00 ET 49ers -10 Washington 41.5 27-13
10/20 4:05 ET Tennessee -2 Chargers 40 20-17
10/20 4:25 ET Seattle -3.5 Ravens 50.5 27-31
10/20 4:25 ET Chicago -3 Saints 38.5 17-13
10/20 8:20 ET Dallas -3 Eagles 48.5 28-24
10/21 8:15 ET Patriots -9.5 NY Jets 42.5 24-17
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looking at Bills or 49ers week 7 KO pool
I generally keep these pools as simple as possible, but I may use 49ers in one pool and Bills in my other one
and then if I get both of them through, and get through week 8, then flip-flop and use 49ers and Bills in week 9.
and so shall it be done
1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
3-Cowboys
4-Chargers
5-Eagles
6-Patriots
7a-Bills
7b-49ers
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7a-Bills
7b-49ers
not often you get the chance to KO yourself twice with one punch
its efficient
heh
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Time for ELI
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7a-Bills
7b-49ers
not often you get the chance to KO yourself twice with one punch
its efficient
heh
It wasn't pretty but it worked.
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It appears that the sculpters in Canton, Ohio can slow down the work on Daniel Jones' bust.
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Time for ELI
That way, the losses can be bigger and grander!
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7a-Bills
7b-49ers
not often you get the chance to KO yourself twice with one punch
its efficient
heh
It wasn't pretty but it worked.
Going for the big bucks. Nice.
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Dallas seems to have cover the spread, though it was a close thing. They missed the over.
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Darnold is looking like a rookie out there.
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Who is that announcer sucking Brady's dick?
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Who is that announcer sucking Brady's dick?
Aww, does somebody's prediction against the spread look as if it might not work out?
Poor Kid.
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Yeah - need this one to go 6 games over
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I thought you didn't bet on sports.
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Right
And if I did I certainly wouldnt have bet this game
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How did the Jets beat the Cowboys?
Darnold better take the morning after pill as he get fucked everywhich way tonight.
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10/17 8:20 ET Chiefs -3.5 Denver 49 24-21 L
10/20 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 Cardinals 49.5 24-27 W
10/20 1:00 ET Indianapolis -1 Texans 48 24-27 L
10/20 1:00 ET Buffalo -17 Dolphins 40 31-10 L
10/20 1:00 ET Vikings -1 Detroit 45 23-21 W
10/20 1:00 ET Green Bay -6 Raiders 46.5 27-17 W
10/20 1:00 ET Jaguars -3 Cincinnati 43.5 24-17 W
10/20 1:00 ET Rams -3 Atlanta 54 27-30 L
10/20 1:00 ET 49ers -10 Washington 41.5 27-13 L
10/20 4:05 ET Tennessee -2 Chargers 40 20-17 W
10/20 4:25 ET Seattle -3.5 Ravens 50.5 27-31 W
10/20 4:25 ET Chicago -3 Saints 38.5 17-13 L
10/20 8:20 ET Dallas -3 Eagles 48.5 28-24 W
10/21 8:15 ET Patriots -9.5 NY Jets 42.5 24-17 L
7-7
11-3 winners
5-9 o/u
.547 composite
55-51 vs spread for season
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Who is that announcer sucking Brady's dick?
Brady was ok last night playing without a lot of skill guys and Jules still banged up.
Maybe not BJ worthy, but deserving of a happy ending.
Felt bad for Darnold-he was spooked, and got his "Who's your daddy game" that will haunt him until he shakes them or
cue Ray Parker...
Pats trade for Sanu, which should help.
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Just picked up Sanu but wont play him yet
Beckham, Sutton, Robinson, G Tate, SANU, A Brown (play 3)
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Pats D
real or not?
historically good or product of an easy schedule.
discuss.
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Pats D
real or not?
historically good or product of an easy schedule.
discuss.
They will be getting exposed Sunday night.
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I suppose it could happen.
Even given the generally weak teams they've played, what's been extraordinary is the inability so far for teams to put drives together, and string 1st downs against the D.
The D has given up 3 TD this year, (3 TDs in 7 games!) and 2 came on 1) a missed tackle 65-yard run and 2) a tipped pass 64-yard TD catch and run.
Mayfield is the type of QB that has given them some trouble in the past, and I'm not predicting the Pats D can shut-out a team with as many offesive weapons as the Browns, but I suspect a Baker's dozen might be a reasonable estimate for this coming Sunday.
I like doughnuts.
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Browns put it all together, 35 - 14. That is what Tuesday is for. Coping with reality is for Monday.
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Pats trade for Sanu, which should help.
Is Sanu new on the Patriots?
I thought he was the governor of New Hampshire.
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Pats D
real or not?
historically good or product of an easy schedule.
discuss.
I think it's a mix of the two.
Pitt's averaged 24 points against everybody else. Differential = 21 (without Big Ben)
Miami's averaged 12+. Differential = 12+
NYJ's averaged 12+. Differential = 5+ (ignoring that their points came from anything but offense and sans Darnold most of the time.)
Buffalo's averaged 22+. Differential = 12+
Washington's averaged 14-. Differential = 7
NYG's averaged 20-. Differential = 6+
Yes, they are poor teams, but they have managed to score significantly more against their other opponents than against the Patriots. People seem to think Buffalo's defense is real, while doubting the Patriot's D. In the 3 games they had with common opponents they gave up 51 points. The Patriots played those same teams and, even if we ignore the last shut out, gave up 28 points. (I am again not separating out who scored what other than on offense, but the "it's real" argument gets stronger, not weaker, with that.)
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Browns put it all together, 35 - 14. That is what Tuesday is for. Coping with reality is for Monday.
14 points seems within the margin of error of a Baker's dozen.
I thought Tuesday was for tacos.
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Pats D
real or not?
historically good or product of an easy schedule.
discuss.
I think it's a mix of the two.
Pitt's averaged 24 points against everybody else. Differential = 21 (without Big Ben)
Miami's averaged 12+. Differential = 12+
NYJ's averaged 12+. Differential = 5+ (ignoring that their points came from anything but offense and sans Darnold most of the time.)
Buffalo's averaged 22+. Differential = 12+
Washington's averaged 14-. Differential = 7
NYG's averaged 20-. Differential = 6+
Yes, they are poor teams, but they have managed to score significantly more against their other opponents than against the Patriots. People seem to think Buffalo's defense is real, while doubting the Patriot's D. In the 3 games they had with common opponents they gave up 51 points. The Patriots played those same teams and, even if we ignore the last shut out, gave up 28 points. (I am again not separating out who scored what other than on offense, but the "it's real" argument gets stronger, not weaker, with that.)
We're on the same page with that comparative analysis, and its hard to draw any other conclusion than they are a very good D.
But I am looking forward to the next several games (against some pretty good teams/better QBs) to see how the D perfoms.
I suspect they hold up pretty well.
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Except for Gilmore and Hightower it's essentially a "starless" defense. Belichick is likely the greatest defensive mind ever.
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Except for Gilmore and Hightower it's essentially a "starless" defense. Belichick is likely the greatest defensive mind ever.
Jaime Collins was a star here before he got himself pushed out of town, so it is hardly a shock to see him being amazing again.
And I think the twins are closer to stars than not.
But I could just be flat wrong - I have no idea how they are seen out of town, other than your thoughts. Certainly, nobody is nominating the D-line for top awards. It was great to see a couple linemen as fullback, however.
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Except for Gilmore and Hightower it's essentially a "starless" defense. Belichick is likely the greatest defensive mind ever.
Winovich was a WHIFF by quite a few GMs
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I don't think he's a star yet. A great college player. And my daughter met him a few times.
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Except for Gilmore and Hightower it's essentially a "starless" defense. Belichick is likely the greatest defensive mind ever.
Jaime Collins was a star here before he got himself pushed out of town, so it is hardly a shock to see him being amazing again.
And I think the twins are closer to stars than not.
But I could just be flat wrong - I have no idea how they are seen out of town, other than your thoughts. Certainly, nobody is nominating the D-line for top awards. It was great to see a couple linemen as fullback, however.
Plenty of first/second rounders
What constitutes a star?
Was the Steelers Ernie Holmes or Mike Wagner a star?
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I don't think he's a star yet. A great college player. And my daughter met him a few times.
I worry about some of the choices your daughter makes.
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They were solid defense players who played on a great UNIT. I don't think either one of those guys would have been thought of as great players on other teams.
Gilmore and Hightower yes.
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https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sam-darnold-ghost-comments-20191022-smuqfxeuwneufmz3kpoamyioc4-story.html
"Any of you ever hear voices while you're out working in the cornfields?"
"You hearing voices?"
"No, no. I'm just... uh... curious."
"Ray here says he's hearing voices."
"No..."
I think the Jets have bigger problems than Sam's seeing ghosts in the Pats defense, but certainly bigger than NFL Films' having shared it!
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KO pool
week 8
pretty sure I'm going with Vikes tonight at home vs the Washington Football Native Americans
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Thursday nighter
Minnesota. -15.5. Redskins. 42
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10/24 8:20 ET Minnesota -15.5 Redskins 42 28-17
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NFL full slate
10/24 8:20 ET Minnesota -15.5 Redskins 42
10/27 1:00 ET Detroit -7 Giants 49.5
10/27 1:00 ET Tennessee -2.5 Buccaneers 45.5
10/27 1:00 ET Chicago -4 Chargers 40
10/27 1:00 ET Seahawks -7 Atlanta 50.5
10/27 1:00 ET Jacksonville -5.5 Jets 41.5
10/27 1:00 ET Buffalo -1.5 Eagles 43
10/27 1:00 ET LA Rams(London) -13 Bengals 48.5
10/27 1:00 ET New Orleans -9.5 Cardinals 48
10/27 4:25 ET Houston -6.5 Raiders 51.5
10/27 4:05 ET San Francisco -5.5 Panthers 41.5
10/27 1:00 ET Indianapolis -6 Broncos 43.5
10/27 4:25 ET New England -12.5 Browns 46
10/27 8:20 ET Packers -4.5 Kansas City 48
10/28 8:15 ET Pittsburgh -14.5 Dolphins 43
bye - Baltimore, Dallas
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looking at Bills or 49ers week 7 KO pool
I generally keep these pools as simple as possible, but I may use 49ers in one pool and Bills in my other one
and then if I get both of them through, and get through week 8, then flip-flop and use 49ers and Bills in week 9.
and so shall it be done
1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
3-Cowboys
4-Chargers
5-Eagles
6-Patriots
7a-Bills
7b-49ers
8a/b-Vikings
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Interesting and active personnel week at Fort Foxboro as Pats prepare for Browns.
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Why is it the Patriots TRADE so much, win so much - yet other teams do not attempt to improve their team through in season trades?
I have always thought NFL trading would eventually take off. Still waiting (note: nice to see Pittsburgh add the safety from Miami)
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BB is very opportunistic and active.
You can see it (and i've discussed this a gazillion times) how he searchs for and finds value in the draft. He's not always right, but I think he's of the mind if he has more lottery tickets than anyone else he's going to hit more often.
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In rare position this week - 1st in fantasy league after 7 weeks
Today'slineup
Aaron Rodgers
Nick Chubb
Aaron Jones
Odell Beckham Jr
Allen Robinson
Audtin Hooper
Courtland Sutton
Chris Boswell
Pittsburgh defense
- Beckham a tough call, vs Pats - Golden Tate is the option, as is newly acquired Mohammed Sanu (Go, Rutgers!)
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55-51 to start the week
10/24 8:20 ET Minnesota -15.5 Redskins 42 28-17 W
10/27 1:00 ET Detroit -7 Giants 49.5
10/27 1:00 ET Tennessee -2.5 Buccaneers 45.5
10/27 1:00 ET Chicago -4 Chargers 40
10/27 1:00 ET Seahawks -7 Atlanta 50.5
10/27 1:00 ET Jacksonville -5.5 Jets 41.5
10/27 1:00 ET Buffalo -1.5 Eagles 43
10/27 1:00 ET LA Rams(London) -13 Bengals 48.5
10/27 1:00 ET New Orleans -9.5 Cardinals 48
10/27 4:25 ET Houston -6.5 Raiders 51.5
10/27 4:05 ET San Francisco -5.5 Panthers 41.5
10/27 1:00 ET Indianapolis -6 Broncos 43.5
10/27 4:25 ET New England -12.5 Browns 46
10/27 8:20 ET Packers -4.5 Kansas City 48
10/28 8:15 ET Pittsburgh -14.5 Dolphins 43
bye - Baltimore, Dallas
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10/24 8:20 ET Minnesota -15.5 Redskins 42 28-17 W
10/27 1:00 ET Detroit -7 Giants 49.5 24-21
10/27 1:00 ET Tennessee -2.5 Buccaneers 45.5 24-21
10/27 1:00 ET Chicago -4 Chargers 40 21-16
10/27 1:00 ET Seahawks -7 Atlanta 50.5 31-21
10/27 1:00 ET Jacksonville -5.5 Jets 41.5 23-16
10/27 1:00 ET Buffalo -1.5 Eagles 43 19-21
10/27 1:00 ET LA Rams(London) -13 Bengals 48.5 31-17
10/27 1:00 ET New Orleans -9.5 Cardinals 48 28-17
10/27 4:25 ET Houston -6.5 Raiders 51.5 30-24
10/27 4:05 ET San Francisco -5.5 Panthers 41.5 24-14
10/27 1:00 ET Indianapolis -6 Broncos 43.5 24-17
10/27 4:25 ET New England -12.5 Browns 46 34-17
10/27 8:20 ET Packers -4.5 Kansas City 48 27-20
10/28 8:15 ET Pittsburgh -14.5 Dolphins 43 30-10
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that may have been one of the stranger quarters I've seen in awhile.
Thank you Browns
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Pats wont cover
Gotta spoil my party
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Help wahnn-ed - kikk-ah.
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Help wahnn-ed - kikk-ah.
Carli Lloyd time!
IF they ever get their O-line fixed (big if) the kicker is small taters.
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Pats wont cover
Gotta spoil my party
Stay away from in-game betting and drinking.
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12-1
10-2 spread
- and I am not sure I won one over/under
heh
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I suppose it could happen.
Even given the generally weak teams they've played, what's been extraordinary is the inability so far for teams to put drives together, and string 1st downs against the D.
The D has given up 3 TD this year, (3 TDs in 7 games!) and 2 came on 1) a missed tackle 65-yard run and 2) a tipped pass 64-yard TD catch and run.
Mayfield is the type of QB that has given them some trouble in the past, and I'm not predicting the Pats D can shut-out a team with as many offesive weapons as the Browns, but I suspect a Baker's dozen might be a reasonable estimate for this coming Sunday.
I like doughnuts.
Bakers dozen
nailed it.
heh
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Pats wont cover
Gotta spoil my party
Stay away from in-game betting and drinking.
In game the spread would have changed
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Yeah, it appears Tate and Jamaal Williams was the proper play today, over Beckham and Chubb
5 points greater thus far
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In 2016, the Patriots had 3 quarterbacks.
In 2019, those quarterbacks are a combined 20-2.
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Pats wont cover
Gotta spoil my party
Stay away from in-game betting and drinking.
In game the spread would have changed
The point was you were wrong.
Something you can never admit to.
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In 2016, the Patriots had 3 quarterbacks.
In 2019, those quarterbacks are a combined 20-2.
Way too early for crazy speculation, but what if,
nah, too crazy, never happen.
and I'm not going to KoD it.
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Pats wont cover
Gotta spoil my party
Stay away from in-game betting and drinking.
In game the spread would have changed
The point was you were wrong.
Happily
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I sweated that one out. I was positive Flipper was going to piss away a 14.5 spread and being up 28.5-0.
And they almost did.
Fitzmagic.
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Not that anyone cares, or should care, about my fantasy team, but three weeks ago I lose.to kiid by one point. Last.week, I tied. This week, I lose again by one point. Fuck.
Had to get that off my chest.
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Had to settle for 14-1, 11-3 spread
66-54 overall
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Picked the wrong time to stop picking win parlays - heh
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Week NINE
Week Nine NFL Line 10/31 - 11/4, 2019
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/31 8:20 ET 49ers -9.5 Arizona 44 28-17
11/3 9:30 ET Texans -2.5 Jacksonville (At London) 47
11/3 1:00 ET Buffalo -10 Redskins 36.5
11/3 1:00 ET Carolina -3.5 Titans 41
11/3 1:00 ET Philadelphia -5 Bears 43.5
11/3 1:00 ET Vikings -1 Kansas City 48
11/3 1:00 ET Jets -5 Miami 41
11/3 1:00 ET Colts -1 Pittsburgh 43.5
11/3 4:05 ET Oakland -2 Lions 50.5
11/3 4:05 ET Seattle -6.5 Buccaneers 52.5
11/3 4:25 ET Browns -2 Denver 40
11/3 4:25 ET Packers -3 LA Chargers 46
11/3 8:20 ET Patriots -3.5 Baltimore 44.5
11/4 8:15 ET Cowboys -7 NY Giants
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KO pool week 9
using 49ers tonight in one pool and probably Bills Sunday in my other one
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Niners D lets me down in the end. 88 yards? Good Lord.
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10/31 8:20 ET 49ers -9.5 Arizona 44 28-17 L
11/3 9:30 ET Texans -2.5 Jacksonville (At London) 47 21-24
11/3 1:00 ET Buffalo -10 Redskins 36.5 21-10
11/3 1:00 ET Carolina -3.5 Titans 41 20-17
11/3 1:00 ET Philadelphia -5 Bears 43.5 27-19
11/3 1:00 ET Vikings -1 Kansas City 48 24-27
11/3 1:00 ET Jets -5 Miami 41 23-17
11/3 1:00 ET Colts -1 Pittsburgh 43.5 20-23
11/3 4:05 ET Oakland -2 Lions 50.5 27-24
11/3 4:05 ET Seattle -6.5 Buccaneers 52.5 31-27
11/3 4:25 ET Browns -2 Denver 40 24-20
11/3 4:25 ET Packers -3 LA Chargers 46 27-21
11/3 8:20 ET Patriots -3.5 Baltimore 44.5 21-22
11/4 8:15 ET Cowboys -7 NY Giants 48 31-20
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6-2, 4-4 spread
Steelers are alive!!!!!
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8-4, 6-6
Damn, Brownies!
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6-5-1 ATS going into tonight, with a couple of nasty beats
Going Pats - 3 1/2 tonight mostly becasue I don't pick against Pats.
Pats O-line...
broken record
broken O-line
Should be a D-cent test for the D
and D, D-livers
Pats 24
Ravens 17
GO PATS
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I guess u had Bucs-Seahawks at 6. not 6.5?
Should be a good one tonight
To think - Rudolph Steelers may be a game out....
Hoooooot
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Looks like it could be a long night for the Pats D.
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I guess u had Bucs-Seahawks at 6. not 6.5?
Should be a good one tonight
To think - Rudolph Steelers may be a game out....
Hoooooot
Yup on Seahawks
could have used that XP in OT
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Looks like it could be a long night for the Pats D.
and a short night for the Pats O.
Ravens look like a rested team off the bye with a lot of shit planned for tonight
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I guess u had Bucs-Seahawks at 6. not 6.5?
Should be a good one tonight
To think - Rudolph Steelers may be a game out....
Hoooooot
Yup on Seahawks
could have used that XP in OT
heh
You lucked out that Myers yakked the 40-yarder in reg
Jameis got me the W with late TD drive in 4th,, which frankly surprised me
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I guess u had Bucs-Seahawks at 6. not 6.5?
Should be a good one tonight
To think - Rudolph Steelers may be a game out....
Hoooooot
Yup on Seahawks
could have used that XP in OT
heh
You lucked out that Myers yakked the 40-yarder in reg
Jameis got me the W with late TD drive in 4th,, which frankly surprised me
and I was unlucky that TB scored a TD at the buzzer to get into OT.
As I've been telling you for years, full-slate ATS is a coin-flip
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Pata got punched in the mouth but punched back.
all things considered down 4 ain't bad
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this has been a pretty entertaining game
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they got their butt kicked and balloon popped tonight.
hopefully it will be a teaching moment
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Looks like the Patriots cake schedule, leading to home field, will be key for playoffs
I'd like to see that one run back on the same field.
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Francessa: "What running back makes a difference for his team? Answer - none."
heh
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Christian McCaffrey? Dalvin Cook? Ezekiel Elliott? Josh Jacobs for the 4-4 Raiders? Chris Carson? Aaron Jones and his 11 TD?
Nope. Guess not.
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Jets. Giants. Who you got?
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Giants to win and cover.
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Brutal road game for G-men
Shurmer lost his EZ Pass and will be fishing for spare change for tolls
But Gase is running the Jets on empty
G-Men cover and wins the Hoffa Bowl as -2 1/2 pt road favorite
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Thursday nighter
11/7 8:20 ET Chargers -1 Oakland 47.5
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KO pools week 10
I'm probably going Indy this week, and if succesful, probably NO at Tampa next week.
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74-60 for year, running hot
11/7 8:20 ET Chargers -1 Oakland 47.5 24-21
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Rolled the dice, picked up MIKE WILLIAMS for tonight and will sit Beckham, Tate or Robinson
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Raiders will win this. Not a fan of Jonny Lynn.
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Good win.
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Week Ten 2019
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
11/7 8:20 ET Chargers -1 Oakland 47.5 24-20 L
11/10 1:00 ET Chiefs -3.5 Tennessee 48.5
11/10 1:00 ET Cleveland -3 Bills 40
11/10 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -4.5 Cardinals 52
11/10 1:00 ET Giants -2 NY Jets 43
11/10 1:00 ET New Orleans -12.5 Falcons 51.5
11/10 1:00 ET Ravens -10 Cincinnati 46
11/10 1:00 ET Chicago -3 Lions 42.5
11/10 4:05 ET Indianapolis -10.5 Dolphins 44.5
11/10 4:25 ET Rams -3.5 Pittsburgh 45
11/10 4:25 ET Green Bay -5 Panthers 48
11/10 8:20 ET Dallas -3 Vikings 47
11/11 8:15 ET San Francisco -6 Seahawks 4
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74-61
11/7 8:20 ET Chargers -1 Oakland 47.5 24-20 L
11/10 1:00 ET Chiefs -3.5 Tennessee 48.5 28-24
11/10 1:00 ET Cleveland -3 Bills 40 17-20
11/10 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -4.5 Cardinals 52 30-27
11/10 1:00 ET Giants -2 NY Jets 43 19-16
11/10 1:00 ET New Orleans -12.5 Falcons 51.5 35-20
11/10 1:00 ET Ravens -10 Cincinnati 46 28-17
11/10 1:00 ET Chicago -3 Lions 42.5 23-16
11/10 4:05 ET Indianapolis -10.5 Dolphins 44.5 24-17
11/10 4:25 ET Rams -3.5 Pittsburgh 45 20-22
11/10 4:25 ET Green Bay -5 Panthers 48 27-24
11/10 8:20 ET Dallas -3 Vikings 47 30-23
11/11 8:15 ET San Francisco -6 Seahawks 46 24-20
6 dogs, 2 dogs to win (after OAK), 5 overs
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And right away Jets-Giants looks like it's going OVER.
One of these days I will do my O/U numbers. Has to be between 40 and 45% - ouch.
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Odell who?
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"Running backs don't matter"
- M Francessa
(as Aaron Jones scoots for his third score of the game)
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Here come the Steelers!
Hoooooot!
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Here come the Steelers!
Hoooooot!
But where did the Rams go? Or the Chiefs, for that matter!
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or the COLTS!
KOed
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or the COLTS!
KOed
The Colts at least had the excuse of loss of QB.
Mahomes? Goff? Not so much.
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WTF are you babbling about?
Colts were -10.5. KC and LA - not so much
Bank - nice run - thought you had it in the end
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My close calls were Carolina (Miss by half yard), Buffalo (choke FG) and of course KC (late TD allowed).
5-4-1 day
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WTF are you babbling about?
Colts were -10.5. KC and LA - not so much
Bank - nice run - thought you had it in the end
Thanks.
When Saints lost to the Falcons, I was 1 of 5 and 1 of 7 left in my 2 pools and with some nice names left to work with.
chickens/hatch/didn't
Next year
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WTF are you babbling about?
Colts were -10.5. KC and LA - not so much
Bank - nice run - thought you had it in the end
Two days ago, Brissett was still a gametime decision. The numbers did not have time to change. Had he been out the whole week, it would not have been -10.5.
And had he played, they'd have won.
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WTF are you babbling about?
Colts were -10.5. KC and LA - not so much
Bank - nice run - thought you had it in the end
Two days ago, Brissett was still a gametime decision. The numbers did not have time to change. Had he been out the whole week, it would not have been -10.5.
And had he played, they'd have won.
lines can change very quickly on news. The market is pretty efficient.
The line didn't move much this week (pretty much 10 1/2-11) as I think the market expected Hoyer to play.
I tried to "have my cake and eat it too".
I had the Colts in my KO pool to win, and Miami +10 1/2 in my ATS pool.
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Jeez - WTF happened in Dallas?
All those yards - did they get close in the end?
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maybe the 2nd worst pick in Wilson's career
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but he makes up for it
great game
pop the cork Shula
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Thursday night clash
11/14 8:20 ET at Cleveland -2.5 Steelers 40
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Thursday night clash
11/14 8:20 ET at Cleveland -2.5 Steelers 40
(80-66 record)
Pittsburgh 24 Cleveland 19
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Going Robinson-Sutton-Sanu this week
Leaving Odell on the bench.
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HOLEE FUCK
Garrett is gone for a long time
I don;t think Ive ever seen that before.
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That overhand smash should cost Garrett several million dollars.
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HOLEE FUCK
Garrett is gone for a long time
I don;t think Ive ever seen that before.
How do they even let him back in?
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I don't know what you were seeing. I saw Garrett pick up Rudolph's helmet and try to hand it back to him, only to have two Steelers jump him, punch him throw him to the ground and start kicking him in the head. I call on the Cuyahoga County prosecutor to file charges against Pouncey for assault. I also think we need to out the whistleblower who started the whole thing. I think he is a Never-Bakerer with an anti-Browns bias.
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Good game, Whisk. Good to see life in the Brownies.
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I also think we need to out the whistleblower who started the whole thing. I think he is a Never-Bakerer with an anti-Browns bias.
Clete Blakeman has served both the AFC and NFC honorably with no discernible evidence of favoritism, He has blown the whistle as best and as hoestly as possible.
He is neither anti-Brown, nor anti-Steeler.
He is a true Patriot!!!
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Garrett suspended for at least the rest of the year "including the playoffs." Cue the Jim Mora memes.
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Tough break on the play-off kicker.
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Rudolph kicked Garrett in the nuts when they were on the ground, then reached for Garretts helmet.
But no suspension?
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I assume a fine. Which is what Garrett gets right up until the moment he tries to hand.Rudolph his helmet back.
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I'm in unfamiliar territory when I step out of the politics forae, but here goes....
Athletes who read books can be violent, too, you know. As we try to make sense of Myles Garrett’s harrowing display of rage Thursday night, let’s rip off that bit of naivete and prejudice. Learned people can be as vicious as anyone.
Garrett, a Cleveland Browns defensive end, isn’t the anti-football player because he can talk astrophysics and recite poetry, because he aspires to be a paleontologist. Most of the shock that he could lose his mind starts there: How can such a soft-spoken and bright dude swing a helmet and assault a quarterback? Why would Garrett, of all athletes, act in such a visceral and frightening manner?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nfl/why-did-myles-garrett-snap-he-might-be-able-to-find-the-answer-himself/2019/11/15/632a3be0-07db-11ea-818c-fcc65139e8c2_story.html
Clearly, I need to watch the footage. Seems to be multiple interpretations of who the principal aggressor was. And whether it's handing or whacking. My daughter, her first boyfriend whacked her with a football helmet, and swiftly passed into boyfriend history.
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Week ELEVEN
11/14 8:20 ET Cleveland -2.5 Steelers 40
11/17 1:00 ET Cowboys -4.5 Detroit 49
11/17 1:00 ET Saints -5.5 Tampa Bay 50.5
11/17 1:00 ET Carolina -6 Falcons 50.5
11/17 1:00 ET Indianapolis -3 Jaguars 44
11/17 1:00 ET Minnesota -10.5 Broncos 39.5
11/17 1:00 ET Washington -1 Jets 38.5
11/17 1:00 ET Bills -5.5 Miami 40
11/17 1:00 ET Baltimore -4 Texans 50
11/17 4:05 ET San Francisco -11.5 Cardinals 46
11/17 4:25 ET Patriots -3.5 Philadelphia 44.5
11/17 4:25 ET Oakland -10.5 Bengals 48.5
11/17 8:20 ET LA Rams -6.5 Bears 41.5
11/18 8:15 ET Chiefs -3.5 LA Chargers (Mexico City) 52.5
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Week ELEVEN
11/14 8:20 ET Cleveland -2.5 Steelers 40 19-24 L
11/17 1:00 ET Cowboys -4.5 Detroit 49 27-21
11/17 1:00 ET Saints -5.5 Tampa Bay 50.5 28-24
11/17 1:00 ET Carolina -6 Falcons 50.5 28-24
11/17 1:00 ET Indianapolis -3 Jaguars 44 21-17
11/17 1:00 ET Minnesota -10.5 Broncos 39.5 27-14
11/17 1:00 ET Washington -1 Jets 20-17
11/17 1:00 ET Bills -5.5 Miami 40 24-17
11/17 1:00 ET Baltimore -4 Texans 50 27-21
11/17 4:05 ET San Francisco -11.5 Cardinals 46 27-17
11/17 4:25 ET Patriots -3.5 Philadelphia 44.5 30-21
11/17 4:25 ET Oakland -10.5 Bengals 48.5 31-21
11/17 8:20 ET LA Rams -6.5 Bears 41.5 24-17
11/18 8:15 ET Chiefs -3.5 LA Chargers (Mexico City) 52.5 30-27
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Kaeperdick -with a capital D
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/16/us/nfl-colin-kaepernick-workout/index.html
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5-3 early games
85-70
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The field tonight is awful.
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NFL Week 12
11/21 8:20 ET Houston -4 Colts 45.5
11/24 1:00 ET Cleveland -10.5 Dolphins 44
11/24 1:00 ET Buffalo -4 Broncos 37
11/24 1:00 ET Steelers -6.5 Cincinnati 39
11/24 1:00 ET Chicago -6 Giants 40.5
11/24 1:00 ET Raiders -3 NY Jets 46.5
11/24 1:00 ET New Orleans -9.5 Panthers 47
11/24 1:00 ET Atlanta -4.5 Buccaneers 51.5
11/24 1:00 ET Lions -3.5 Washington 42
11/24 1:00 ET Philadelphia -1.5 Seahawks 48
11/24 4:05 ET Tennessee -3 Jaguars 41.5
11/24 4:25 ET New England -6.5 Cowboys 46
11/24 8:20 ET San Francisco -3 Packers 46.5
11/25 8:15 ET Ravens -3 LA Rams 46.5
Week 12 Byes: Arizona, Kansas City, LA Chargers, Minnesota
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Houston 24 Colts 21
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NFL Week 12
(90-71)
11/21 8:20 ET Houston -4 Colts 45.5 24-21 W
11/24 1:00 ET Cleveland -10.5 Dolphins 44 27-13
11/24 1:00 ET Buffalo -4 Broncos 37 20-14
11/24 1:00 ET Steelers -6.5 Cincinnati 39 24-14
11/24 1:00 ET Chicago -6 Giants 40.5 24-17
11/24 1:00 ET Raiders -3 NY Jets 46.5 28-24
11/24 1:00 ET New Orleans -9.5 Panthers 47 34-21
11/24 1:00 ET Atlanta -4.5 Buccaneers 51.5 30-24
11/24 1:00 ET Lions -3.5 Washington 42 23-17
11/24 1:00 ET Philadelphia -1.5 Seahawks 48 24-21
11/24 4:05 ET Tennessee -3 Jaguars 41.5 17-20
11/24 4:25 ET New England -6.5 Cowboys 46 24-20
11/24 8:20 ET San Francisco -3 Packers 46.5 24-27
11/25 8:15 ET Ravens -3 LA Rams 46.5 24-17
Byes: Arizona, Kansas City, LA Chargers, Minnesota
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Squeezed out a 5-9
94-80 overall
2 tough ones yesterday - Steelers, Bears
1 I changed late - Falcons.
1 went south late - Saints
5 of them I just got totally fucking wrong - Pack, Raiders, Jags, Lions, Eagles
Happy to get Ravens - although a loss would have given Pitt a chance if they ran the table (still alive for WC)
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Week THIRTEEN
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
11/28 12:30 ET Bears -2.5 Detroit 39 20-17
11/28 4:30 ET Dallas -7 Bills 45 27-19
11/28 8:20 ET Saints -7 Atlanta 49 35-20
12/1 1:00 ET Packers -6.5 NY Giants 45.5
12/1 1:00 ET Carolina -10 Redskins 40
12/1 1:00 ET Baltimore -6 49ers 46
12/1 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2.5 Titans 43.5
12/1 1:00 ET Eagles -9 Miami 45.5
12/1 1:00 ET Jacksonville -1 Buccaneers 49
12/1 1:00 ET Jets -3.5 Cincinnati 41
12/1 4:05 ET Rams -3 Arizona 46.5
12/1 4:25 ET Kansas City -9.5 Raiders 51.5
12/1 4:25 ET Chargers -2.5 Denver 38.5
12/1 4:25 ET Browns -2 Pittsburgh 39.5
12/1 8:20 ET Patriots -3 Houston 44.5
12/2 8:15 ET Seattle -3 Vikings 49
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/29/us/nfl-player-suspended-betting-on-games-trnd/index.html
He can apply to be reinstated in February, 2021!
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/29/us/nfl-player-suspended-betting-on-games-trnd/index.html
He can apply to be reinstated in February, 2021!
I bet he does just that
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Nobody will touch him
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Nobody will touch him
After all, it's not like he did something like beat up a woman.
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Week THIRTEEN
(Back to 15 games over - 96-81)
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
11/28 12:30 ET Bears -2.5 Detroit 39 20-17 W
11/28 4:30 ET Dallas -7 Bills 45 27-19 L
11/28 8:20 ET Saints -7 Atlanta 49 35-20 W
12/1 1:00 ET Packers -6.5 NY Giants 45.5 27-20
12/1 1:00 ET Carolina -10 Redskins 40 24-13
12/1 1:00 ET Baltimore -6 49ers 46 23-20
12/1 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2.5 Titans 43.5 17-21
12/1 1:00 ET Eagles -9 Miami 45.5 27-17
12/1 1:00 ET Jacksonville -1 Buccaneers 49 27-24
12/1 1:00 ET Jets -3.5 Cincinnati 41 20-17
12/1 4:05 ET Rams -3 Arizona 46.5 27-21
12/1 4:25 ET Kansas City -9.5 Raiders 51.5 31-20
12/1 4:25 ET Chargers -2.5 Denver 38.5 19-22
12/1 4:25 ET Browns -2 Pittsburgh 39.5 16-22
12/1 8:20 ET Patriots -3 Houston 44.5 24-27
12/2 8:15 ET Seattle -3 Vikings 49 28-24
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And in the media capital of the free-world we get the choice at 1pm of Jets at Bengals or NY Football Giants hosting GB.
Those are some compelling/must see TV games.
JFC
I gotta find a good stream for Ravens-9ers
or move
heh
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I actually think both will be good games
Prefer Steelers of course. May have to go somewhere and check that out.
Who is officially out for Pats? I have the upset there but high scoring as Brady gets well statistically.
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Big fantasy decision this week was on ERTZ. He is playing but hamstrings can be finicky, so I went with LAR's Higbie.
Benched Beckham again, this time for KC's Darrel Williams.
Took Boswell back for Folk.
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Rodgers
A Robinson - 22 points
D J Moore
Chubb
A Jones
Higbie
Dar Williams
Boswell
Pittsburgh D
vs
Foles
M Thomas - 10
Watkins
Elliott - 20
Ingram
Andrews - TE
D Hnery
Slye
Cleveland
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I actually think both will be good games
Prefer Steelers of course. May have to go somewhere and check that out.
Who is officially out for Pats? I have the upset there but high scoring as Brady gets well statistically.
Ravens-49ers was a pretty good game, I had 49ers and points.
I expected a Jets win today, and a build on recent momentum, Didn't watch much of the game, just the score. Had the Packers too, but I was mostly into the Ravens-49ers game.
Not touching Pats tonight about 15+ guys were hit with the flu, so could be a mixed performance.
Pats aren't a points machine anymore and it has little to do with Brady.
Assuming the infirm return to active duty, I'd see a low scoring game,
lets go with
Pats 23
Houston 16
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Ravens-49ers was a pretty good game, I had 49ers and points.
Me too - but I had the BALTIMORE win.
5-3 early games
7-4 week
Winning the 3 late games.
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Pats aren't a points machine anymore and it has little to do with Brady.
Hmmmm
Not even a tad less accurate, a smidge less mobile?
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Pats aren't a points machine anymore and it has little to do with Brady.
Hmmmm
Not even a tad less accurate, a smidge less mobile?
As I've posted almost all year, most of the Pat's problems come from injuries to O-line personnel.
And as posted as early as pre-season, the Pats D was going to be their strength this year.
Add in the loss of Devlin (blocking FB) and retirement and injury to TEs and they have done a piss poor job run grading, there are very few holes to run through and a porous barrier in providing Brady pass protection.
Brady's never been mobile. He is getting older though.
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The eye test tells you his year has been as usual?
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The eye test tells you his year has been as usual?
To my eye Brady's game has gradually weakened for the last 3-4 years, but he remains one of the better QBs in the game, due to his head not arm. This year he is throwing away the ball rather than take sacks as his protection has sucked and he's had no running game. A lot of the offense falls to him and his OC and a several inexperienced receivers. The offense right now is patchwork
I'm hoping the return of Wynn strengthens the O-line and 1) helps protection and 2) the running game.
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Denver allows clock to run from :45 to :15, with timeouts.
LAC tie the game and Broncs have no time to win it
Oy. Coaching.
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Never mind. Chargers dumbed it back.
Victory!!!!!
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Sanu (ankle) Dorsett (concussion) both goes for tonight.
That should help the (r)aging TB12,
LB corp hit hard by flu.
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I can root for Brady tonight. A WHATEVER game at 10-4. Good day either way
Go, Pats!
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On Pats OL
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patriots-land-center-in-trade-with-bills-their-third-deal-for-an-offensive-lineman-this-week/
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heh
you're only about 3 months late
old news
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Was a sumup. Wasnt breaking any news
Pats created their own OL problems. But you can blame injuries if you like.
Tom badly rushed/missed the end zone receiver prior to first fg
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4 for 11 with a pick?
Ouch.
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Was a sumup. Wasnt breaking any news
Pats created their own OL problems. But you can blame injuries if you like.
Who did you think you were summing up for with a 3-month old article?
heh
An btw moron the guy the article was about never made it out of Pat's camp.
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28.8 qb rate
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heh
Brady's legacy tarnished 4-ever.
kid your hot takz are sizzlin'
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Bank gets whiney when hero guy looks old.
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New England AT Baltimore
I like the sound of that
First Pats need to shed Pittsburgh -or Buffalo
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Bank gets whiney when hero guy looks old.
As I recall you posted you liked the Pats for your expectation of a Brady offensive explosion.
And I told you I was away from this game for reasons I stated, that even you may have noticed.
Maybe not, you're pretty clueless.
I'm just making fun of your non-stop idiotic hot takz.
btw how did Tatum look today?
heh
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Come on, 12 - wake up - I need the over.
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Hoodie outsmarts himself
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As I recall you posted you liked the Pats for your expectation of a Brady offensive explosion.
heh
Yep
Liked the Pats and picked the upset
Gotcha
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btw how did Tatum look today?
Fit.
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Need a td here.....
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btw how did Tatum look today?
Fit.
He looked like Fultz?
heh
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B O'B emptying the playbook on his old coach.
He's making his play to get into the top 10.
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Still need 2 more scores since Fartbreath missed the xp.
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Brady in danger of under 60% passing for year.
Has never happened.
No danger of falling behind Eli for career though
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heh
and kid's hot takz just keep on dribbling out of his diaper.
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there you go kid
Brady gives you your over
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SO CLOSE!
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Who is officially out for Pats? I have the upset there but high scoring as Brady gets well statistically.
Good night, nurse.
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Who is officially out for Pats? I have the upset there but high scoring as Brady gets well statistically.
Good night, nurse.
Yet you were ragging on Brady's poor passing night?
Poor kid you are so fucking dumb, you don't know what you don't know.
And you never will.
Sweet dreams moron
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I can root for Brady tonight. A WHATEVER game at 10-4. Good day either way
Go, Pats!
A good CYA-have it both way position.
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Sounds like Eli might saddle up one more time and start in Philly as Danny 6th pick has a moderate high ankle sprain.
Opie's 116-116 W/L record may be put in jeopardy, as Eagles are currently -9 1/2.
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Thursday nighter
12/5 8:20 ET Cowboys -3 Chicago 42.5
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Cowboys 23 Chicago 19
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Cowboys 23 Chicago 19
Looks like the Cowboys will not be covering tonight.
Or winning.
And you missed on the over/under, too.
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Yeah....
Bears played real well.
Embarrassed by my 106-85 record vs the spread.
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Almost went 24-20
Would have had the over plus exact Dallas points.
Not so great an o/u year, as I have said.
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12/5 8:20 ET Cowboys -3 Chicago 42.5 23-19 L
12/8 1:00 ET Ravens -5.5 Buffalo 43.5 27-19
2/8 1:00 ET Green Bay -13 Redskins 42 28-17
12/8 1:00 ET Houston -9.5 Broncos 41.5 24-14
12/8 1:00 ET New Orleans -3 49ers 44 21-24
12/8 1:00 ET Cleveland -8.5 Bengals 41 35-24
12/8 1:00 ET Atlanta -2.5 Panthers 48 24-27
12/8 1:00 ET Minnesota -14 Lions 42.5 31-14
12/8 1:00 ET NY Jets -5.5 Dolphins 44 23-20
12/8 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -3 Colts 47.5 27-21
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late games
12/8 4:05 ET Chargers -3 Jacksonville 43 27-20
12/8 4:25 ET New England -3 Chiefs 48.5 24-27
12/8 4:25 ET Steelers -2.5 Arizona 43.5 27-21
12/8 4:25 ET Titans -2.5 Oakland 47.5 24-27
12/8 8:20 ET Seahawks -2.5 LA Rams 46.5 27-24
12/9 8:15 ET Philadelphia -8.5 Giants 47 26-20
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Liking that last six game parlay using moneyline. Lets see if it comes in
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12/8 1:00 ET New Orleans -3 49ers 44 21-24
They beat the over - and both your scores - by halftime!
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:Wow. Tough slate. Only one I feel I yakked was Carolina. Tough spread loss with Browns
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12/8 1:00 ET New Orleans -3 49ers 44 21-24
They beat the over - and both your scores - by halftime!
Wild one
Perfect game. Win. Spread win. Over/under win
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:Wow. Tough slate. Only one I feel I yakked was Carolina. Tough spread loss with Browns
Just saw GB not covering late. Ouch
Late games. Jacobs injury could bite my Raiders pick
4-4-1 early. 7-2 on winners
C'mon, Chiefs!
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All over America fathers are telling their kids, Santa delivered your "dear Santa can the Pats suck this year" present.
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And as a stocking stuffers here's some egregiously bad fuck-you Pats calls from the refs
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Can't burn that challenge too early Billy. Boy
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10-4 overall. 7-6 spread
Meh
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Can't burn that challenge too early Billy. Boy
But that isn't going to stop the premature whistle earlier - the challenge flag gets the fumble called, but it doesn't score the touchdown, leaving the Patriots with 4 fewer points and meaning that the botched interference call would not have changed the outcome of the game.
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The thing was the challenge of the 1st down spot was a good challenge that was somehow upheld as called by NY review. And it was shown definitively to be a bad spot.
I rarely complain about refs, as usually the Pats can play through the incompetence, but the Pats got serially fucked all 2nd half and are no longer that good to play winning football against a good team while getting fucked at the same time.
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The refs cost New England 14 points. Take away the field goal and that's a four point lead. BLOWJOB!!!!!!
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The thing was the challenge of the 1st down spot was a good challenge that was somehow upheld as called by NY review. And it was shown definitively to be a bad spot.
I rarely complain about refs, as usually the Pats can play through the incompetence we benefit, even having been gifted titles, but the Pats got serially fucked all 2nd half and are no longer that good to play winning football against a good team while getting fucked at the same time.
Fixed
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The thing was the challenge of the 1st down spot was a good challenge that was somehow upheld as called by NY review. And it was shown definitively to be a bad spot.
I rarely complain about refs, as usually the Pats can play through the incompetence we benefit, even having been gifted titles, but the Pats got serially fucked all 2nd half and are no longer that good to play winning football against a good team while getting fucked at the same time.
Fixed
heh
Great hot take kid.
The Patriots, arguably the greatest dynasty in NFL history and clearly the most dominant teams for the past 20 years, and you come up with they were gifted their victories.
Awesome steaming hot take straight from your diaper.
Now if you have the capacity ask mommy or your in-home aide to wipe you.
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poor kid he shits himself and he takes great pride in what he's done.
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poor kid he shits himself and he takes great pride in what he's done.
It's like he's channeling hammy😄
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Awesome steaming hot take straight from your diaper.
Now if you have the capacity ask mommy or your in-home aide to wipe you
Please - behave.
QB12 is old. Deal with it.
And dont fprget to watch Eli tonight, with RESPECT.
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poor kid he shits himself and he takes great pride in what he's done.
It's like he's channeling hammy😄
Nah - I like the Sox.
Havent judged their strength for 2020 yet but always a fan,if not of certain personnel (Cora, Farrell)
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Awesome steaming hot take straight from your diaper.
Now if you have the capacity ask mommy or your in-home aide to wipe you
Please - behave.
QB12 is old. Deal with it.
And dont fprget to watch Eli tonight, with RESPECT.
Your hot take that I thought was straight from your ass and filtered by only your dirty diaper and responded to was the idiocy of Pats being gifted their greatness.
You made no point re Brady's age, but yes he is 42. I am surprised you can count that high.
Your mommy must be proud.
Maybe she can teach you to wipe yourself.
And I respect Opie, always have, I just do not think he a HoF QB.
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And I respect Opie,
I suppose one who was sensitive could see a contradiction in that phrase.
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Waaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
https://sports.yahoo.com/more-officiating-madness-patriots-get-two-touchdowns-taken-away-on-terrible-calls-000714086.html
"Clearly punched out before Lelce was down"
Heh - nope.
On replay,maybe. Not clearf in real time.
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And I respect Opie,
I suppose one who was sensitive could see a contradiction in that phrase.
If Eli's looks and gee-whiz aw shucks demeanor doesn't remind everyone of a certain age of Andy of Mayberry's adorable small-town southern son I don't know what to tell you other than on WFAN's morning show Boomer (Carton and now Gio) run the Andy of Mayberry theme song whenever they play an Eli/Ope sound bite, and have for almost as long as I've been calling him Opie.
Everyone loves Opie.
It may be the mildest tweak I've constructed as I like Opie/Eli.
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kid's now poorly refuting in his latest leaky undie hot take, what everyone saw last night in CBS's game of the week, a massive officiating clusterfuck.
That game may have been the worst officiated game I've seen since the refs strike.
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Maybe. But they put in new rules to allow coaches to benefit from replay. And Hoodie screwed to pooch nevertheless.
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Awesome steaming hot take straight from your diaper.
Now if you have the capacity ask mommy or your in-home aide to wipe you
Please - behave.
QB12 is old. Deal with it.
And dont fprget to watch Eli tonight, with RESPECT.
Your hot take that I thought was straight from your ass and filtered by only your dirty diaper and responded to was the idiocy of Pats being gifted their greatness.
You made no point re Brady's age, but yes he is 42. I am surprised you can count that high.
Your mommy must be proud.
Maybe she can teach you to wipe yourself.
And I respect Opie, always have, I just do not think he a HoF QB.
I wont take this to Hamilton vs Bank levels - sorry you miss that typoe back and forth so much
But I will point out that your dicsussion of diapers and poo make you look like a 2-year old on a pro football forum.
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I think a more mature - and more honest response from you would be -
"Why do you criticize Tom and Bill? They are historically great - and it really gets me upset."
THAT I could really respect.
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I think a more mature - and more honest response from you would be -
"Why do you criticize Tom and Bill? They are historically great - and it really gets me upset."
THAT I could really respect.
Respect?
thats funny
I don't post here for your respect.
Its not worth anything.
And kid I think that you are incapable of honesty and real insight.
Now you are trying to change the subject from what was pretty much universally identified as a clusterfuck of a poorly reffed game to TB12 and BB.
Which is fine you have proven time and time again you are incapable of supporting your idiotic hot takz when pushed to do so.
And no one is above criticism, but if you don't like BB and TB12, and their two decade run of unparalleled excellence, that's fine, as it doesn't phase me at all what a moron thinks.
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Joe Beningo on WFAN (just now) as a caller talks about the bad calls in Pats Chiefs game.
"No one has sympathy for the Pats but they got hosed"
And Beningo hates the Pats.
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I wont take this to Hamilton vs Bank levels - sorry you miss that typoe back and forth so much
"Clearly punched out before Lelce was down"
On replay,maybe. Not clearf in real time.
And these are just from his last few posts
I gotta give it to kid he is the master of unintentional comedy and blissful ignorance
heh
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Joe Beningo on WFAN (just now) as a caller talks about the bad calls in Pats Chiefs game.
"No one has sympathy for the Pats but they got hosed"
And Beningo hates the Pats.
The kid was clearly in bounds
Never ever disputed or in doubt.
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At any time before the two-minute warning of each half or overtime period, the head coach of either team can signal a challenge by throwing a red flag onto the field. He's allowed only two challenges per game, but if both challenges are successful, he's given a third. He must issue his challenge before the next snap of the ball.
Not enough for BB
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On replay,maybe. Not clearf in real time.
There's that GOP denialism, hard at work.
"Maybe."
Bullshit, troll.
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At any time before the two-minute warning of each half or overtime period, the head coach of either team can signal a challenge by throwing a red flag onto the field. He's allowed only two challenges per game, but if both challenges are successful, he's given a third. He must issue his challenge before the next snap of the ball.
Not enough for BB
BB could have used at least 4 challenges last night
1-bad first 1st down spot (and in replay it was shown to be a bad spot by 1 1/2 yards) but inexplicably the bad spot was upheld. Romo was about speechless
2-the Kelce fumble
3-the Harry OOB/TD 2 ref conspiracy
4-No DPI on an obvious DPI on Dorsett.
The Boger crew was terrible
as already posted it may have been the worst NFL reffed game I've seen in a very long time.
It was NBA bad.
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The Ravens are clearly superior to the Patriots by any meaningful measure. The Chiefs sure looked like the better team Sunday. The Texans looked like the better team eight days ago, which should be worrisome for the Patriots faithful, because the Titans look like a better team than the Texans.
As for Brady: It's time to move past the point of politely ignoring his declining skills or pretending the problem lies exclusively with his receiving corps or offensive line.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2865946-gridiron-digest-how-far-have-tom-brady-and-the-patriots-fallen?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral#slide1
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as already posted it may have been the worst NFL reffed game I've seen in a very long time.
I dont watch the NFL games, generally
But I think the NBA refs have been quite good this season. Nice to see some new faces.
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BB could have used at least 4 challenges last night
No. He can't
That's the point.
BB knows the rules going in.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/former-patriots-safety-rodney-harrison-wonders-about-tom-brady-hes-just-not-the-same-player-164939029.html
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BB could have used at least 4 challenges last night
No. He can't
That's the point.
BB knows the rules going in.
You missed my point moron.
The refs were so bad that even if BB had been successful on his 2 challenges he would not have had enough challenges to challenge all the bad calls in the 2nd half.
And BB was right on the 1st down challenge it was a bad spot by a 1 1/2 yards and gave the Chiefs an unearned 1st down. They were short at their own 38 1/2.
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I don't think the Patriots are blaming the officials, They know it was still their game to win as well as their defense played after the break.
It's the press and fans whose hair is on fire
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Brady is clearly not the same guy, IMO he's fallen off over the past 3-4 years. And I've posted that. But IMO its a little premature to bury the guy, what he lacks in arm strengrh he makes up in experience, leadership and knowledge.
But he's the leader of a struggling offense so he's the easy target and its not as glamorous or quote worthy to slam the O-line or blocking schemes or rookie wide receivers.
He may surprise his hot take click baiters and critics one more time.
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I don't think the Patriots are blaming the officials, They know it was still their game to win as well as their defense played after the break.
It's the press and fans whose hair is on fire
Patriots will get fined if they are critical of the refs. So they gave muted responses, but it was clear that they were pissed.
I know you didn't watch the game but that might have been the worst reffed NFL game I've seen in years. No other Pat game I can think of comes close to the # of egregiously bad calls that impacted that game.
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He may surprise his hot take click baiters and critics one more time.
Not at all sure what that is - but of course Brady could get to, even win another SB. So many variables. And he has the best coach.
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Eli
on the mark
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Pats GM responsible, I guess
https://sports.yahoo.com/spy-gate-20-let-the-tape-speak-for-itself-010347470.html
Bad, bad, bad...
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A tale of two halfs for Opie
he looked good in the 1st
went fishin' with pa in the 2nd.
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Had to know at half it wouldn't end well
Nice adjustments by Coach P but little counter adjustment from Gmen.
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If he loses next week or week after its time to drop the axe.
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Kay, Lagreca and Rosenberg all over the "Barkley was a poor pick" again
Too funny.
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Barkley, Jones, and (lord willing) Chase Young will be major pillars of the Giants for years to come.
And if you're talking about picks then give credit for 5th round pick Darius Slayton.
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Yes - and the fucking asstard knocking the high RB pick needs to fill us in on exactly how all the running backs taken after Barkley have done.
She of the "you can find a running back anywhere...."
Kay had the second most idiotic statement of the day when he said - " it's like a 6-7 year career - Next year you wont win, so you will have burnt half his career - and for what?"
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I told you fellas at the time the G-Men drafted Barkley with the 2nd pick was like a middle-class guy buying a Bentley. Its nice, a really asesome set of wheels, but you really need a 4-wheel drive SUV/station wagon to haul the kids, get through the snow, and whatnot. Barkley was an expensive gee-gae for a team with so many obvious needs, QB, OL, Defense. Or you could have traded him for a basket of picks and gone a far distance in reloading in several areas, rather than get a RB with no O-line to help him.
Barkley is a gas-guzzling high maintence, hugely depreciating Bentley.
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Heh
Why do you think you're right?
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Kay tried to say today that Jones just fell in Giants' laps
Funny.
Huge high pick coming up - and with QB/RB and WR looking settled. Some talent on D as well, set to be bolstered by a big pass rusher. Division not real strong
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Heh
Why do you think you're right?
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I might be right or wrong,
But it was the way I viewed the G-men's strengths, weaknesses, assets, liabilities, and prioritized their needs 2 years ago.
Now it seems others are drawing similar conclusions after two years of piss poor performance in an admittedly piss-poor NFC East.
Barkley was a Bentley the G-Men should have passed on for more sensible ride.
HEH
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The Bentley played like a RAM truck year 1.
High ankle sprain year 2 - but made some nice cuts when I saw him.
To view him as Kay did today is criminal.
They think Wayne Gallman can work similar holes with similar results?
Aaron Jones and Chris Carson are a couple of later (5th, 7th round) picks doing well. Other than that mostly first and second rounders atop the stats.
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I didn't here Kay, so Ive no opinion on that, but IMO Barkley, who I recognized as a premier talent, was a luxury item that a team living on the poverty line could live without. I thought it was a poor pick for a team that had so many other more important needs to fill than RB.
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I told you fellas at the time the G-Men drafted Barkley with the 2nd pick was like a middle-class guy buying a Bentley. Its nice, a really asesome set of wheels, but you really need a 4-wheel drive SUV/station wagon to haul the kids, get through the snow, and whatnot. Barkley was an expensive gee-gae for a team with so many obvious needs, QB, OL, Defense. Or you could have traded him for a basket of picks and gone a far distance in reloading in several areas, rather than get a RB with no O-line to help him.
Barkley is a gas-guzzling high maintence, hugely depreciating Bentley.
But who did you say they should have taken instead?
Everyone at the time was saying "the giants messed up and passed on D'arnold, Allen, Rosen et al"
But did they? Did they really?
Are you taking Denzel Ward or Quentin Nelson #2?
Then you have great hindsight.
Or Roquan Smith who didn't project in the Top 3.
Or Minkah Fitzpatrick who went #11?
C'mon now. Barkley was the pick.
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At the time I thought the Giants had two decent options for the #2 pick
1) QB-my choice was Darnold
2) if a QB wasn't the choice (as we saw a few months earlier Eli and his fans might get upset) trade the #2 to a team that wanted Darnold or another QB for a basket of picks to address the Giants many problems. Using a NFL value matrix the Giants could have traded down to the 5th pick and gotten, a 1,2,3, 4 (or future hi picks) from a rebuilding team, for the #2 pick used for Barkley.
IMO drafting Barkley, as good, as he was, was a mistake, and a wasted opportunity to rebuild in many areas.
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If you have to spy on Cinci to beat them there is something wrong with you.
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Absolutely agree.
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Thursday nighter
12/12 8:20 ET Baltimore -14.5 Jets 45 31-13
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Eli!!!!!
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Week 15 slate
(currently 115-91 vs spread)
12/12 8:20 ET Baltimore -14.5 Jets 45 31-13 W
12/15 1:00 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Detroit 47.5
12/15 1:00 ET Eagles -4.5 Washington 40
12/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -4.5 Bears 41
12/15 1:00 ET Patriots -9.5 Cincinnati 40.5
12/15 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Texans 50
12/15 1:00 ET Seahawks -6 Carolina 48.5
12/15 1:00 ET Kansas City -10.5 Broncos 45.5
12/15 1:00 ET NY Giants -3.5 Dolphins 46.5
12/15 8:20 ET Pittsburgh -2 Bills 36.5
12/15 4:05 ET Oakland -6.5 Jaguars 45.5
12/15 4:05 ET Browns -2.5 Arizona 48
12/15 4:05 ET Vikings -2.5 LA Chargers 44.5
12/15 4:25 ET San Francisco -11 Falcons 47
12/15 4:25 ET Rams -1 Dallas 49
12/16 8:15 ET New Orleans -9 Colts 46
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Tough calls for fantasy semifinals
I think I will stay with Rodgers over Prescott, though "experts" have Dak 7th and AR 10th
Also staying with Sutton over A J Brown and Higbie at 3rd wr/flex
Should be close
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12/12 8:20 ET Baltimore -14.5 Jets 45 31-13 W
12/15 1:00 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Detroit 47.5 28-24
12/15 1:00 ET Eagles -4.5 Washington 40 23-19
12/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -4.5 Bears 41 26-18
12/15 1:00 ET Patriots -9.5 Cincinnati 40.5 27-10
12/15 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Texans 50 28-24
12/15 1:00 ET Seahawks -6 Carolina 48.5 27-27
12/15 1:00 ET Kansas City -10.5 Broncos 45.5 27-17
12/15 1:00 ET NY Giants -3.5 Dolphins 46.5 24-20
12/15 8:20 ET Pittsburgh -2 Bills 36.5
12/15 4:05 ET Oakland -6.5 Jaguars 45.5
12/15 4:05 ET Browns -2.5 Arizona 48
12/15 4:05 ET Vikings -2.5 LA Chargers 44.5
12/15 4:25 ET San Francisco -11 Falcons 47
12/15 4:25 ET Rams -1 Dallas 49
12/16 8:15 ET New Orleans -9 Colts 46
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12/12 8:20 ET Baltimore -14.5 Jets 45 31-13 W
12/15 1:00 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Detroit 47.5
12/15 1:00 ET Eagles -4.5 Washington 40
12/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -4.5 Bears 41
12/15 1:00 ET Patriots -9.5 Cincinnati 40.5
12/15 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Texans 50
12/15 1:00 ET Seahawks -6 Carolina 48.5
12/15 1:00 ET Kansas City -10.5 Broncos 45.5
12/15 1:00 ET NY Giants -3.5 Dolphins 46.5
12/15 8:20 ET Pittsburgh -2 Bills 36.5 19-13
12/15 4:05 ET Oakland -6.5 Jaguars 45.5 27-20
12/15 4:05 ET Browns -2.5 Arizona 48 23-21
12/15 4:05 ET Vikings -2.5 LA Chargers 44.5 24-21
12/15 4:25 ET San Francisco -11 Falcons 47 37-24
12/15 4:25 ET Rams -1 Dallas 49 28-31
12/16 8:15 ET New Orleans -9 Colts 46 34-27
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Thats just a fucking ridiculous end to the Eagles game
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And it happens again in San Fran
Necessary NFL rule change:
A defensive team cannot score on the last play of a game they are already winning.
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It's a good thing you rarely bet on sports.
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I'd outlaw the back-doors covers that bite me in the ass.
The other ones are ok.
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And it happens again in San Fran
Necessary NFL rule change:
A defensive team cannot score on the last play of a game they are already winning.
Why is that necessary?!
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I'd outlaw the back-doors covers that bite me in the ass.
The other ones are ok.
::)
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Clearly, the answer to any team's coaching problem is to hire somebody named Sean.
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And it happens again in San Fran
Necessary NFL rule change:
A defensive team cannot score on the last play of a game they are already winning.
Why is that necessary?!
Cmon man - think - if you were a Redskins bettor yesterdsat - getting 4.5 points
You are ahead by 3 with 0:30 on the clock.
Your bet is a virtual lock
You worry only of a FG tying the game, then an overtime TD (not a FG) beating you.
Then bullshit ensues.
In San Fran, UNDER bettors ready to cash their tickets, as the 49.5 number isnt close to being topped. Its 22-17 under a minute to go. I suppose we could envision a TD and 2 point conversion, but there were just 5 seconds left and the under still secure
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It's very important for the NFL to make sure the bettors are happy.
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It's very important for the NFL to make sure the bettors are happy.
That some of them are happy.
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And it happens again in San Fran
Necessary NFL rule change:
A defensive team cannot score on the last play of a game they are already winning.
Why is that necessary?!
Cmon man - think - if you were a Redskins bettor yesterdsat - getting 4.5 points
You are ahead by 3 with 0:30 on the clock.
Your bet is a virtual lock
You worry only of a FG tying the game, then an overtime TD (not a FG) beating you.
Then bullshit ensues.
In San Fran, UNDER bettors ready to cash their tickets, as the 49.5 number isnt close to being topped. Its 22-17 under a minute to go. I suppose we could envision a TD and 2 point conversion, but there were just 5 seconds left and the under still secure
A whole bunch of Eagles bettors were watching, so sure that they were doomed. Their bet a virtual garbage heap. Nothing can save them.
And then the Skins give it up and you're golden!
Your view of things is so narrow, Kid, in this as surely as in the issue of Trump's "successes."
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Josh Gordon deserves one more chance!
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Josh Gordon deserves one more chance!
The Redskins + 4 1/2 pushed him off the wagon.
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And it happens again in San Fran
Necessary NFL rule change:
A defensive team cannot score on the last play of a game they are already winning.
Why is that necessary?!
Cmon man - think - if you were a Redskins bettor yesterdsat - getting 4.5 points
You are ahead by 3 with 0:30 on the clock.
Your bet is a virtual lock
You worry only of a FG tying the game, then an overtime TD (not a FG) beating you.
Then bullshit ensues.
In San Fran, UNDER bettors ready to cash their tickets, as the 49.5 number isnt close to being topped. Its 22-17 under a minute to go. I suppose we could envision a TD and 2 point conversion, but there were just 5 seconds left and the under still secure
A whole bunch of Eagles bettors were watching, so sure that they were doomed. Their bet a virtual garbage heap. Nothing can save them.
And then the Skins give it up and you're golden!
Your view of things is so narrow, Kid, in this as surely as in the issue of Trump's "successes."
Books were generally killed as well. Much more money on Eagles cover.
I dont see anything wrong with my new rule.
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I'm sure you don't.
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Nor do you.
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Your new rule is idiotic.
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Your new rule is idiotic.
2nd the motion.
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football is a 60 minute game.
The score and scoring plays for both teams, counts for all 60 minutes.
And who cares if the house got beat?
Just the cost of having the house.
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Although I wonder what the house would have bought back Redskins +4 1/2 when it looked like a lock seconds before they fumbled themselves from a cover to a fucking brutal bad beat,
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??
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??
I understand that betting shops will buy back winning bets, presumably at a discount. Its risk management for both parties. They pay-out less and you accept a lesser winning amount.
let's say you had Skins +4 1/2 in that games at a standard -110 bet.
You thought it was a virual lock to cover, and it was, but as we saw, stuff happens.
If you sold it with a minute to go, for example 180, (versus 210) you would have won $70 rather than $100, and the house would have saved $30.
But in accepting the lower pay-out you couldn't lose.
My question was I wonder what was the price at the time to induce bettors to sell what looked like a virtual lock winning bet. What is the price of cetainty.
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Pretty sure it goes off the board that late in a game.
I saw Knicks +20.5 (in game betting) at one point in a game that they eventually lost by single digits. But by the start of 4th quarter there was no line for it.
But you are correct - in game odds has changed the industry just a bit.
Supposedly FanDuel has a "cash out now" feature that fluctuates in payout as the game goes on. I am sure this is what you are referring to. Wasn't aware the Vegas books also had that.
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"Tom Brady is over the hill and close to done"
- Doug Gottlieb
- but he has the Patriots - as they always do - "winning at home in December"
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Week SIXTEEN
12/21 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -1 Texans 53
12/21 4:30 ET New England -6.5 Bills 38.5
12/21 8:15 ET San Francisco -6.5 Rams 50.5
12/22 1:00 ET Atlanta -6.5 Jaguars 46
12/22 1:00 ET Saints -1 Tennessee 51
12/22 1:00 ET Washington -3 Giants 40.5
12/22 1:00 ET Steelers -3 NY Jets 38.5
12/22 1:00 ET Miami -3 Bengals 45.5
12/22 1:00 ET Indianapolis -6.5 Panthers 46.5
12/22 1:00 ET Ravens -7 Cleveland 49
12/22 4:05 ET Denver -6.5 Lions 37.5
12/22 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Raiders 47
12/22 4:25 ET Cowboys -1 Philadelphia 47.5
12/22 4:25 ET Seattle -9.5 Cardinals 48.5
12/22 8:20 ET Chiefs -4 Chicago 45
12/23 8:15 ET Minnesota -4.5 Packers 46.5
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I value Gottlieb's opinion on credit card theft far more than his opinion about football.
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ha ha haha haaaaaah
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Week SIXTEEN
12/21 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -1 Texans 53 31-34
12/21 4:30 ET New England -6.5 Bills 38.5 21-17
12/21 8:15 ET San Francisco -6.5 Rams 50.5 28-17
12/22 1:00 ET Atlanta -6.5 Jaguars 46
12/22 1:00 ET Saints -1 Tennessee 51
12/22 1:00 ET Washington -3 Giants 40.5
12/22 1:00 ET Steelers -3 NY Jets 38.5
12/22 1:00 ET Miami -3 Bengals 45.5
12/22 1:00 ET Indianapolis -6.5 Panthers 46.5
12/22 1:00 ET Ravens -7 Cleveland 49
12/22 4:05 ET Denver -6.5 Lions 37.5
12/22 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Raiders 47
12/22 4:25 ET Cowboys -1 Philadelphia 47.5
12/22 4:25 ET Seattle -9.5 Cardinals 48.5
12/22 8:20 ET Chiefs -4 Chicago 45
12/23 8:15 ET Minnesota -4.5 Packers 46.5
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that was a real good game of tackle football.
nice to see the O-line show-up and control the LoS
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Fuckers!
Had to put the ball in Allen's hands on a run at least once, twice after first and goal at the 8.
We could see this one run back in Final 4.
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Week SIXTEEN
12/21 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -1 Texans 53 31-34
12/21 4:30 ET New England -6.5 Bills 38.5 21-17
12/21 8:15 ET San Francisco -6.5 Rams 50.5 28-17
It was a good effort.
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12/22 1:00 ET Atlanta -6.5 Jaguars 46 27-21
12/22 1:00 ET Saints -1 Tennessee 51 24-28
12/22 1:00 ET Washington -3 Giants 40.5 23-21
12/22 1:00 ET Steelers -3 NY Jets 38.5 24-17
12/22 1:00 ET Miami -3 Bengals 45.5 24-20
12/22 1:00 ET Indianapolis -6.5 Panthers 46.5 27-20
12/22 1:00 ET Ravens -7 Cleveland 49 31-20
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Week SIXTEEN
12/21 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -1 Texans 53 31-34
12/21 4:30 ET New England -6.5 Bills 38.5 21-17
12/21 8:15 ET San Francisco -6.5 Rams 50.5 28-17
It was a good effort.
Hit the money line parlay...
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12/22 4:05 ET Denver -6.5 Lions 37.5 23-13
12/22 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Raiders 47 30-21
12/22 4:25 ET Cowboys -1 Philadelphia 47.5 29-27
12/22 4:25 ET Seattle -9.5 Cardinals 48.5 31-14
12/22 8:20 ET Chiefs -4 Chicago 45 23-24
12/23 8:15 ET Minnesota -4.5 Packers 46.5 27-24
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BARKLEY!!!
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heh
More NFL shenanigans today
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Week SIXTEEN
12/21 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -1 Texans 53 31-34
12/21 4:30 ET New England -6.5 Bills 38.5 21-17
12/21 8:15 ET San Francisco -6.5 Rams 50.5 28-17
It was a good effort.
Hit the money line parlay...
kid claims victory from the snatch of defeat
or something like that
heh
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6-9 week following 8-7 last week
Lost fantasy championship last night by a point. (Congrats, Luke)
Interesting story lines next week. Detroit now holds the 3rd pick. Do they take the next best QB or trade out of it?
Giants are being killed but will add a top 5-6 pick to a decent team.
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Week SEVENTEEN
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
12/29 4:25 ET Titans -3.5 Houston 45
12/29 1:00 ET Browns -2.5 Cincinnati 44.5
12/29 1:00 ET Minnesota -1 Bears 37
12/29 4:25 ET Colts -3.5 Jacksonville 43
12/29 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -1 Falcons 48
12/29 4:25 ET Dallas -11 Redskins 44.5
12/29 1:00 ET Saints -13 Carolina 46
12/29 4:25 ET Eagles -4.5 NY Giants 45
12/29 4:25 ET Steelers -2 Baltimore 38
12/29 1:00 ET Buffalo -1.5 Jets 36.5
12/29 1:00 ET New England -15.5 Dolphins 45
12/29 1:00 ET Packers -12.5 Detroit 43
12/29 1:00 ET Kansas City -8.5 Chargers 45.5
12/29 4:25 ET LA Rams -3.5 Cardinals 49
12/29 8:20 ET 49ers -3 Seattle 47
12/29 4:25 ET Denver -3.5 Raiders 41
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12/29 4:25 ET Titans -3.5 Houston 45. 24-17
12/29 1:00 ET Browns -2.5 Cincinnati 44.5. 21-23
12/29 1:00 ET Minnesota -1 Bears 37. 20-17
12/29 4:25 ET Colts -3.5 Jacksonville 43. 23-16
12/29 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -1 Falcons 48. 34-31
12/29 4:25 ET Dallas -11 Redskins 44.5 31-17
12/29 1:00 ET Saints -13 Carolina 46. 31-17
12/29 4:25 ET Eagles -4.5 NY Giants 45. 26-20
12/29 4:25 ET Steelers -2 Baltimore 38. 20-23
12/29 1:00 ET Buffalo -1.5 Jets 36.5. 26-23
12/29 1:00 ET New England -15.5 Dolphins 45. 31-17
12/29 1:00 ET Packers -12.5 Detroit 43. 27-10
12/29 1:00 ET Kansas City -8.5 Chargers 45.5. 24-10
12/29 4:25 ET LA Rams -3.5 Cardinals 49. 27-24
12/29 8:20 ET 49ers -3 Seattle 47. 24-19
12/29 4:25 ET Denver -3.5 Raiders 41. 21-16
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that was about as ugly a loss as the Pats have had in a long time.
end of an era type loss.
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that was about as ugly a loss as the Pats have had in a long time.
end of an era type loss.
I thought the 31-0 loss to Buffalo a while ago was pretty awful and we had one or two really bad ones that cost us homefield advantage last year, if I recall correctly.
But we'll see if we survive the extra game.
Certainly, this defense did not look like the same one we had earlier in the season.
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Bucs Vikes brutal
4-4 early
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Kitchens out in Cleveland.
Shurmur axed by G-Men.
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Looks like 9-7, 23-23 last three weeks, finishing with a fizzle.
Had hoped for 10 wins to cap the profitable season off.
Playoff picks - hoping more will play.
We'll do a straight up - and then folks can pick with points as well if they like.
Tennessee vs New England quite interseting
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Week 1
https://www.espn.com/nfl/schedule/_/week/1/seasontype/3
We'll just go by most wins
But lets do a bracket as well for bragging rights. Make your picks for the entire playoffs, remembering to use the six seed vs 1 for each conference should you have the six defeating the 3. 4/5 would then play the 2.
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G-men, Browns Panthers reportedly ask for permission to interview Josh McD for HC
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G-men, Browns Panthers reportedly ask for permission to interview Josh McD for HC
JMD is rumored to be the Browns's first choice, though I would be most interested in Eric Sleeping With Bieniemy. I suspect the Browns will be wary of anyone with no HC experience.
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Wild Card Weekend Playoff Games
NFL Game Lines 1/4 - 1/5, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
1/4 4:35 ET Houston -2.5 Bills 43 24-20
1/4 8:15 ET New England -5 Titans 44 24-21
1/5 1:05 ET New Orleans -7.5 Vikings 49 30-23
1/5 4:40 ET Seahawks -1.5 Philadelphia 45. 23-20
Wagers
HOU at 20-1 to win AFC
SEA at 10-1 for NFC
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My overall bracket
round 2
Bal over Hou
KC over NE
Green Bay over NO
SEA over San Fran
round 3
KC over Bal
SEA over GB
Super Bowl
KC over SEA
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My overall bracket
Bills over Texans
Patriots over the Titans
Saints over Vikings
Seahawks over Eagles
round 2
Ravens over Bills
Patriots over Chiefs
Saints over Packers
49ers over Seahawks
round 3 - the rematches
Patriots over Ravens
49ers over Seahawks
Super Bowl - Garoppolo's Revenge
49ers over Patriots
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low confidence games today
but lets take the Bills + 2 1/2 as a road dog
and
Pats -4 1/2 as home favorite.
Pats is a heart over head pick
tomorrow leaning home teams Saints and Eagles-gotta think more about Eagles/SHawks
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Giving the 7.5 with Saints? That's a load.
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Couldnt get the HOU and SEA bets in. Hope they dont come through.
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Well....
Looks good for the OVER
Bills had not scored a first quarter offensive TD in 8 games.
JJ Watt sat.
Maybe fix that.
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Someone better clue Watson in that this is win or go home
Stop running out of bounds, coward.
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heh
kid tells us he bets Houston and then they go down 10-0 and mirculously he couldn't get the bet in.
The internet was broken, or something
that is kid in a nut shell.
Insecuirty wrapped in lies tied with a bullshit bow.
SSDD
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kid tells us he bets Houston and then they go down 10-0 and mirculously he couldn't get the bet in.
Wagers still count
Will be included in the playoff sum up
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I'm sure the accountants at Enron will sign off on your #s.
LMAO
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Jeez, Allen has a Matthew Stafford-type arm.
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Jeez, Allen has a Matthew Stafford-type arm.
heh
ok
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Allen's a marvelous story. I recall all the discussion during his draft year.
From nowhere to Wyoming to...
well...today.
Collegiate coaches - pay better attention to your emails
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Texans right in this thing
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Jeez, Allen has a Matthew Stafford-type arm.
I'm not sure what's "heh-worthy" about that.
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Watson ran out of bounds again
I think the over.under on that was 7.5
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Heh
Like THAT.
Take the fucking game, Dewannnn
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Who is that, Aikman?
Its a TD, fool.
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The internet was broken, or something
Internet bets? Really?
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Someone better clue Watson in that this is win or go home
Thanks
May be too late
BTW - they make a big deal out of the Watt sack but when you have a guy blindsided like that and dont get a fumble out of it I see it as a fail.
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Does HOU ever blitz?
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Wow - a blitz
and a fumble
Lets go Deeeewann
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Run, coward!
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19-16 final?
Lets go!!!!!!!
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Good throw, D.
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helluva comeback by Texans
Can Bills respond?
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J J, baby.
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helluva comeback by Texans
Can Bills respond?
I have come to the conclusion that 16 - 0 is dangerous score against Clemsonish quarterback.
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Bills just puked all over themselves.
must be related to kid.
heh
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Keeeeep the ball, DeShawn.
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Not like that.
Heh
Good game.
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Bills just puked all over themselves.
must be related to kid.
heh
QUIT
Like a Ceits fan
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wow - just blow up this league
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Figures - my first game back and its the zebra fuckshow again
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they got to take a shot deep
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The call ends up meaning nothing, thankfully
47 yards either way
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whaddafuckingplay
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and game
very fun game
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That's why Watson at 20-1 is a good play.
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Texans have no shot at a championship
I guess you didn't watch the game
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This was the game I most worried about
Going down to Fan Duel later - see what has happened to the odds
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Only thing definite about this weekend was that I would go 2-2 at best in over/unders.
Had the over if the Hou receiver gets 8 more yards. Oh, well.
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Touchdown!
Again - early on it looks OVER
(gotta check the Harvard guy)
Good to see PINOCCHIO is back
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Well said by Romo - is Sanu finally going to contribute to this offense?
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Barkley scores on that 25-yard Michel run.
But RBs aren't important.
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Brilliant!
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Why did Pats run all three times to the left?
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Not sure what that last play was. Edelman fair catch would have been perfect
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Congratulations to Mike Vrabel and the Titans - I wish them all the luck next week!
I suspect a rule change on running down the clock is coming in this offseason.
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Titans played a solid game
congrats to them and their fans.
The end of an era.
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Running back dominance
Imagine that.
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Running back dominance
Imagine that.
The Titams offense scored 14 points.
Are you really that oblivious?
If the Pats had a functional offense they would have won the game.
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Time of possession totally turned in second half. Unbelievably strong coaching by Titans. Pass the torch, Bill.
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If the Pats had
a functional (played better) offens(ively) they would (may) have won the game.
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If the Pats had a functional (played better) offens(ively) they would (may) have won the game.
thanks for confirming my observation that you are oblivious.
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Watching the Pats offense tonight I was mostly reflective of what was, as old age, injuries, and lack of talent caught up with the offense.
But what a run-almost two decades of unparalled excellence.
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Clearly they missed A Brown
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and a healthy O-line (it was better by year-end)
and Devlin
and any tight end
and a deep threat wide receiver
and a healthy Jules who was playing hurt
the offense was a ghost of what it had been
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yesterday's debacle put me below .500 in my ATS pool
pressure is on to best the odds of a faily flipped coin.
hate the hook but sticking with Saints -7 1/2 at home in the 1pm game
lets go with Saints 34-21
and going (for now) with Eagles +1 1/2 as home dog in the nite-cap.
Eagles 27-23
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Yes, always good to pick the winner of the game as well when there is a pool going (you didnt yesterday with Bills game)
Assuming Bank picked Bills....
Kid8 - 1-1
Bank - 0-2
Josh - 0-2
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Yes, always good to pick the winner of the game as well when there is a pool going (you didnt yesterday with Bills game)
Assuming Bank picked Bills....
Kid8 - 1-1
Bank - 0-2
Josh - 0-2
Kid-I'm not in your pool.
Other than the fact you use different lines, I wouldn't choose to associate with you in any contest that relies on honesty and integrity.
But I am 0-2 and 1 game under .500 for the year.
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We arent using lines
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Going overall wins and bracket wins
You didnt do a bracket so you are right - you're not in that one
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Josh- we will just tally at the end
The Foxboro Flower is getting upset
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So... where does Brady sign?
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Going overall wins and bracket wins
You didnt do a bracket so you are right - you're not in that one
kid
My picks reflect a separate ATS pool.
I did not pick a winner in Bills-Texans, I picked the underdog Bills getting points.
After your disgusting display of dishonesty 3 years ago I would never choose to associate with you in any regard that relied upon integrity, as you have none.
Josh is free to associate with you if he chooses, but I will not.
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Hero time for Brees?
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and into OT we go
3 ggod games so far
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great win for Vikes
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tough week-end for old Hof bound QBs
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Here we go again with the stupid OT rule.
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Clowney is a dirty punkass fuck.
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No offensive pass interference. Crock of SHIT.
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Looks like I finally get an o/u right
4-0 spread picks unless Philly pulls this out
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Wow!!!!
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Texans are now 12-1 for AFC
Have to wait for Seahawks number
May still play them
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good weekend of football
miserable weekend for prognostication
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Wow!!!!
I agree
Just continues an excellent NFL picks season.
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Amazing. For somebody who rarely bets on sports.
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No offensive pass interference. Crock of SHIT.
Not even a look at it, apparently.
With the Saints involved.
Unfuckingbelievable.
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good weekend of football
miserable weekend for prognostication
I was thrilled that I got one game right - I was beginning to think I should make my picks, promote them where people who know me could see them, so they could bet the opposite.
It would still be beneficial at 1/4 right, mostly, but not nearly as good as perfection!
Maybe, Banks, one of us should go first and the other pick the opposites!
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good weekend of football
miserable weekend for prognostication
I was thrilled that I got one game right - I was beginning to think I should make my picks, promote them where people who know me could see them, so they could bet the opposite.
It would still be beneficial at 1/4 right, mostly, but not nearly as good as perfection!
Maybe, Banks, one of us should go first and the other pick the opposites!
Its been a long time since my last golden sombrero.
But they happen.
and they are humbling.
I need a strong finish (5-2) to beat coin-flipping consistency.
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No offensive pass interference. Crock of SHIT.
Not even a look at it, apparently.
With the Saints involved.
Unfuckingbelievable.
Sick, really
Just unforgivable
And then to come out with such a quick statement in defense....
Fault of course lies in the zebra that missed the call initially.
Don Denkinger was grilled so...as was the guy who blew the call that spoiled the perfect game
Why not these NFL guys? He is standing right fucking there.
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The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.
Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
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Below is a transcript with NFL senior vice president of officiating Al Riveron from the NFC wild-card game between the New Orleans Saints and the Minnesota Vikings regarding the final play of the game. The pool reporter in attendance was Larry Holder of the Athletic.
Holder: What did you see on that final play to uphold the call on the field?
Riveron: "We looked at all of the angles that FOX afford us, and FOX gave us some great views. There is contact by both players, but none of that contact rises to the level of a foul. This is consistent with what we've done all year long, we left the ruling on the field. We let it stand."
Holder: "It seemed like you guys did this process pretty quickly. It was obviously clear enough in that short of a span that you felt comfortable with what was called?"
Riveron: "Yes. FOX was great. They gave us every angle that they had pertaining to the play. So we're very comfortable with what we saw. Nothing came through afterward that we had not seen prior to making the ruling."
Saints Linebacker Demario Davis
It was one-on-one, the tight end won, you’ve got to give him credit. Good throw and catch."
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Opinions vary.
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The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.
Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.
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The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.
Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.
Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
But I'm still trying to figure out the rationale for overtime's allowing a touchdown to end it, but not a field goal, for the first possession. Let both teams have the ball a minimum of once. (I would really prefer that they just play out a full 15 minute period, but I get that that is not going to happen.)
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The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.
Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.
Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.
As for the OT rules in the NFL. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.
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As for the OT rules in the NFL. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.
Who said they want that?
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As for the OT rules in the NFL. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.
Who said they want that?
Note the FG USED to win. No longer.
The NFL is not a league for sissies.
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The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.
Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.
Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.
As for the OT rules in the NFL. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.
I don't think Josh was asking about that specific play - all scoring plays are automatically booth reviewed so a.challenge would be otiose - but why, for instance, forward progress not resulting in a first down or down by contact cannot be challenged. Or in my example, why no challenge for any other action penalty besides interference. Why not a clip, or a hold, or a facemask?
And explaining why the game continues after an initial OT field goal does not explain why it does not also continue after an initial touchdown.
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The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.
Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.
Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.
As for the OT rules in the NFL. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.
I don't think Josh was asking about that specific play - all scoring plays are automatically booth reviewed so a.challenge would be otiose - but why, for instance, forward progress not resulting in a first down or down by contact cannot be challenged.
Because forward progress is a judgement call by an official and often does not match what a replay official sees or hears. Down by contact is called immediately and stops the play for safety reasons.
Or in my example, why no challenge for any other action penalty besides interference. Why not a clip, or a hold, or a facemask?
why not the Coin Toss?
And explaining why the game continues after an initial OT field goal does not explain why it does not also continue after an initial touchdown.
Because the NFL wants its OT to be sudden death. It took a groundswell from fans and players to successfully argue a one possession FG is not an acceptable way the end the game.
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The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.
Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.
Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.
As for the OT rules in the NFL. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.
I don't think Josh was asking about that specific play - all scoring plays are automatically booth reviewed so a.challenge would be otiose - but why, for instance, forward progress not resulting in a first down or down by contact cannot be challenged.
Because forward progress is a judgement call by an official and often does not match what a replay official sees or hears.
So is forward progress resulting in a first down, but that is reviewable.Down by contact is called immediately and stops the play for safety reasons.
Or in my example, why no challenge for any other action penalty besides interference. Why not a clip, or a hold, or a facemask?
why not the Coin Toss?
Indeed. If the coin comes heads and he calls.tails, why not to to replay? But the real issue is there are major penalties refs call in the flow of the game that.require instant recognition and interpretation of.the rules. We have singled out interference. Why, other than because of one bad call?And explaining why the game continues after an initial OT field goal does not explain why it does not also continue after an initial touchdown.
Because the NFL wants its OT to be sudden death. It took a groundswell from fans and players to successfully argue a one possession FG is not an acceptable way the end the game.
That is a good answer.
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Because forward progress is a judgement call by an official and often does not match what a replay official sees or hears.
So is forward progress resulting in a first down, but that is reviewable.
What is reviewable is the spot of the ball AFTER the officials determine forward progress has been stopped.
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The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.
Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.
Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
1. Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.
As for the OT rules in the NFL. 2. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.
1. Missing the point. Care to try again? Why are some things not challengeable?
2. Missing the point even more widely. I agree. My complaint is that winning on the first possession at all is inherently unfair.
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The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.
Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.
Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
1. Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.
As for the OT rules in the NFL. 2. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.
1. Missing the point. Care to try again? Why are some things not challengeable?
Because the League Rules Committee determines what plays are reviewable.
2. Missing the point even more widely. I agree. My complaint is that winning on the first possession at all is inherently unfair.
Again the Rules Committee set the parameters for OT.
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The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.
Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.
Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
1. Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.
As for the OT rules in the NFL. 2. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.
1. Missing the point. Care to try again? Why are some things not challengeable?
Because the League Rules Committee determines what plays are reviewable.
2. Missing the point even more widely. I agree. My complaint is that winning on the first possession at all is inherently unfair.
Again the Rules Committee set the parameters for OT.
Such brilliance!
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Rhule to Panthers
Pat's ST coach Judge new G-Men HC
Josh McD to the Browns?
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Rhule to Panthers
Pat's ST coach Judge new G-Men HC
Josh McD to the Browns?
DePodesta loved Stefanski the last time around, but was overruled. I suspect HC experience is a must this year. Who knows about next year.
Are we sure Belichick is coming back? JMD may be primed to inherit the Pats on their slide to post Brady irrelevanc9.
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Rhule to Panthers
Pat's ST coach Judge new G-Men HC
Josh McD to the Browns?
DePodesta loved Stefanski the last time around, but was overruled. I suspect HC experience is a must this year. Who knows about next year.
Are we sure Belichick is coming back? JMD may be primed to inherit the Pats on their slide to post Brady irrelevanc9.
MCD-Who knows.
But his interest in interviewing suggests he was ready to move on from the Pats. I would think his long tenure as Brady's OC might be a selling point of stability to the Browns and the need to further development of Mayfield.
and perhaps the Pats post Brady would make coaching Chernobil look like Eden
Burn on big river, burn on.
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and BB?
suppsedly he wants to go after Shula's W record, so he could bolt to a younger franchise, or burnish his record by rebuilding the Pats.
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Rhule interviewed with Carolina and Tepper made Rhule an offer he couldn't refuse. 7 years! 60mil! Never coached a game in the NFL. OK.. good for Rhule. Then Rhule called Mara with chance to match and lure him to get on a plane and visit Giants. Mara heard the number and choked. Immediately started negotiating with Judge. I can't wait to see the terms.
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Rhule interviewed with Carolina and Tepper made Rhule an offer he couldn't refuse. 7 years! 60mil! Never coached a game in the NFL. OK.. good for Rhule. Then Rhule called Mara with chance to match and lure him to get on a plane and visit Giants. Mara heard the number and choked. Immediately started negotiating with Judge. I can't wait to see the terms.
Good move by Rhule. Strike while the iron is hot. He goes 8 - 4, 7 - 5 at Baylor and his value tanks.
Can't Judge judge. Though I just rolled out a Flip Wilson reference to a Giants fan in the office and got a blank stare. I am fucking old.
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Rhule interviewed with Carolina and Tepper made Rhule an offer he couldn't refuse. 7 years! 60mil! Never coached a game in the NFL. OK.. good for Rhule. Then Rhule called Mara with chance to match and lure him to get on a plane and visit Giants. Mara heard the number and choked. Immediately started negotiating with Judge. I can't wait to see the terms.
Good move by Rhule. Strike while the iron is hot. He goes 8 - 4, 7 - 5 at Baylor and his value tanks.
Can't Judge judge. Though I just rolled out a Flip Wilson reference to a Giants fan in the office and got a blank stare. I am fucking old.
The devil made you do it.
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Are we sure Belichick is coming back? JMD may be primed to inherit the Pats on their slide to post Brady irrelevance.
Most believable rumor I heard today was Brady and McDaniel to LAC
Garrett being looked at in NY as OC.
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Rhule interviewed with Carolina and Tepper made Rhule an offer he couldn't refuse. 7 years! 60mil! Never coached a game in the NFL.
Gruden effect.
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Hadn't heard Rhule called Mara. Not sure it works that way.
Rhule was my choice - and not just me - last go round.
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Hadn't heard Rhule called Mara. Not sure it works that way.
Rhule was my choice - and not just me - last go round.
He called somebody with a 201 area code. They passed on agreeing to match Carolina's terms. No one is at fault here.
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Divisional round 2020
(4-0)
1/11 4:35 ET San Francisco -7 Vikings 45.5
1/11 8:15 ET Baltimore -9 Titans 47
1/12 3:05 ET Kansas City -9.5 Texans 51
1/12 6:40 ET Green Bay -4 Seahawks 46
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Divisional round 2020
(4-0)
1/11 4:35 ET San Francisco -7 Vikings 45.5 27-24
1/11 8:15 ET Baltimore -9 Titans 47 28-17
1/12 3:05 ET Kansas City -9.5 Texans 51 31-24
1/12 6:40 ET Green Bay -4 Seahawks 46 21-23
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Divisional round 2020
(4-0)
1/11 4:35 ET San Francisco -7 Vikings 45.5 27-24
1/11 8:15 ET Baltimore -9 Titans 47 28-17
1/12 3:05 ET Kansas City -9.5 Texans 51 31-24
1/12 6:40 ET Green Bay -4 Seahawks 46 21-23
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Boring as it seems, I would pick the same winners that you did, Kid. Differences are bolded.
So, I'll pick SF to beat the spread and for the game to be under.
And Baltimore to beat the spread (as you did), but the game to be over 47 points.
KC will beat the spread, but the game will be over, as you predicted.
And the Seahawks will win, which blows the spread, but I expect the total score to be over 46.
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To the extent this is a head to head playoff between Saleh and Stefanski I think the winner is clear.
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This was not a close game.
I expected SF to cover, but this was not as tight as I expected.
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meh
2 turnovers or it would have been
But Niners D line impressive, yes
Cousins one other mistake was not running for first down on 3rd and 4...
Winner tomorrow wins the NFC
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meh
2 turnovers or it would have been
But Niners D line impressive, yes
Cousins one other mistake was not running for first down on 3rd and 4...
Winner tomorrow wins the NFC
No, Minnesota would just have punted 3 plays later. 147 total yards. 18 yards rushing for Cook. That was not a close game. Niner defense was superb.
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So, I'll pick SF to beat the spread and for the game to be under.
This is what you call a perfect game - winner, spread winner, o/u winner
Well done
3-2, 4-1 (spread), 1-4 (o/u) - 8-7 overall (poor) for playoffs
Also lost a few scheckels on a spread parlay (winners of all 4 was the way to go - paid about 2.5-1 but went for the bigger score of a bit less than 6-1 on 3 games)
Money also down on HOU and SEA - at lesser odds than last week of course - to get to SB
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Winner tomorrow wins the NFC
I don't think so.
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No, Minnesota would just have punted 3 plays later.
eh
more likely a fg, maybe a td
Cousins one truly bad play, I thought. Not his forte, I understand - and all props to San Fran, of course
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Looks like Texans play tomorrow to HOST the AFC title game
Wow.
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Looks like Texans play tomorrow to HOST the AFC title game
Wow.
This is not the game I (or most of football watching America) was expecting to see, but I'm thrilled to see it!
(a) It makes me feel a lot better about the Patsy's game last week.
(b) It sure changes the discussion.
But to me, it casts an indictment over anybody and everybody involved with the Dolphins' offense in the rest of Tannehill's career.
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I kept hoping for one more Ravens TD.
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Looks like Texans play tomorrow to HOST the AFC title game
Wow.
This is not the game I (or most of football watching America) was expecting to see, but I'm thrilled to see it!
(a) It makes me feel a lot better about the Patsy's game last week.
(b) It sure changes the discussion.
But to me, it casts an indictment over anybody and everybody involved with the Dolphins' offense in the rest of Tannehill's career.
Great win for the Titans-and it puts last weeks game into slightly different context.
The Pats still lost to one bad-asss team, but most of us underestimated how bad-ass they were.
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Team knows how to win
4 straight years of 9-7
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I think they are learning how to win.
Vrabel has them playing smart and smash-mouth ball.
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Every time a Harbaugh loses an angel gets it's wings
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You know where Vrabel went to college though, bosox, so I know this must have been difficult for you.
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You know where Vrabel went to college though, bosox, so I know this must have been difficult for you.
😁
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Team knows how to win
4 straight years of 9-7
As I expected you would write.
Troll.
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Stefanski is the new Browns coach. Too bad. I was kind of looking forward to making a bunch of Que Saleh, Saleh jokes.
JMD stays put.
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I *want* Houston to win... I just don't expect them to.
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Down two TDs - I know it's early but Reid punting from the HOU 45 with a 4th and 5 was surprising
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oooooohhh, sorry, Whisk
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001096127/article/browns-hiring-kevin-stefanski-as-next-head-coach
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Wow.
This is one wild game!
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I believe Coach O'B may have just cost me some loot.
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They should just fire him at halftime.
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But they beat the over...
In the first half.
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New o/u is 78.5
I will take the over
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Four KC players are top favorites for next TD
D Williams, Kelce, Hill, Watkins
Hyde of HOU is 5th at 13-1 odds
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Stefanski is the new Browns coach. Too bad. I was kind of looking forward to making a bunch of Que Saleh, Saleh jokes.
JMD stays put.
I guess it wasn't a Saleh's market.
Maybe Josh will interview for the Brwons job next year.
or there might be an opening in Houston ASAP.
BoB having a tough day.
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Stefanski is the new Browns coach. Too bad. I was kind of looking forward to making a bunch of Que Saleh, Saleh jokes.
JMD stays put.
I guess it wasn't a Saleh's market.
Maybe Josh will interview for the Brwons job next year.
or there might be an opening in Houston ASAP.
BoB having a tough day.
Not sure I will want it then, either.
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New o/u is 78.5
I will take the over
And there it is.
Have they set a new one, yet?
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Stefanski is the new Browns coach. Too bad. I was kind of looking forward to making a bunch of Que Saleh, Saleh jokes.
JMD stays put.
I guess it wasn't a Saleh's market.
Maybe Josh will interview for the Brwons job next year.
or there might be an opening in Houston ASAP.
BoB having a tough day.
Not sure I will want it then, either.
rumor had it that Josh wanted certain organizational changes (new GM, axe Podesta?)
Can you confirm?
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4-3 winners
4-3 spread
3-4 over/under
meh
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4-3 winners
4-3 spread
3-4 over/under
meh
3-4 winners
2-1 spread
2-1 o/u
Ahead of you by a difference of 1.465%. It helped that I skipped the spread in the first weekend. No idea what I'd have done in the o/u.
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attaboy
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Vintage AR tonight
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17 is the goat - good Lord
He catches that and Hawks march in
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Vintage AR tonight
You mean the 5-7 playoff record outside of 2010 or the 4-0 that one year?
Seriously, it is hard to believe it's been that long since we last saw him in the playoffs.
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4-3 winners
4-3 spread
3-4 over/under
meh
3-4 winners
2-1 spread
2-1 o/u
Ahead of you by a difference of 1.465%. It helped that I skipped the spread in the first weekend. No idea what I'd have done in the o/u.
3-5 winners
2-2 spread - damned 2 point conversion!
3-1 o/u
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...and the day started so well
heh
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...and the day started so well
heh
welcome to the Golden Sombrero club
heh
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Championship week 2020
1/19 3:05 ET Kansas City -7.5 Titans 52
1/19 6:40 ET San Francisco -7.5 Packers 45
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Championship week 2020
4-4, 3-5 O/U
1/19 3:05 ET Kansas City -7.5 Titans 52 31-24
1/19 6:40 ET San Francisco -7.5 Packers 45 21-23
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Championship week 2020
4-4, 3-5 O/U
1/19 3:05 ET Kansas City -7.5 Titans 52 31-24
1/19 6:40 ET San Francisco -7.5 Packers 45 21-23
I'm going with:
Titans over Chiefs (both +7.5 and absolute) and the under.
49ers over Packers, missing the spread, and the over.
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Rooting for Titans and 49ers
but I think KC and 49ers win
Chiefs 34-21
49ers 27-23
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Changing up to
23-21 Niners
So still both road teams covering, home teams winning
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49ers over Packers, missing the spread, and the over.
Minus the spread?
A tighter game than the spread.
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fucking Mahomes
that was a great play
maybe the game-breaker
damn
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Helmet to helmet on Tannehill. Announcers missed it.
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heh
Tennessee bump and fall down defense needs some work
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Titans over Chiefs (both +7.5 and absolute) and the under.
Dumbest bet of the year nominee
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Good showing for Tannehill
Makin bucks...
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could be a long day for ARod
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pretty, pretty, pretty long
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4-6 winners
2-4 spread
4-2 o/u
I enjoyed the games.
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Browns reportedly hiring George Paton as their new GM. Not sure of his skills as a talent evaluator, but at least we will beat Montgomery to Messina.
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Have to assume the Player's Association won't be kindly disposed to his slapping players.
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Browns reportedly hiring George Paton as their new GM. Not sure of his skills as a talent evaluator, but at least we will beat Montgomery to Messina.
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Have to assume the Player's Association won't be kondly disposed to his slapping players.
Or his making the other team's players die for their damned country!
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Defensive backs everywhere are crying today
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Defensive backs everywhere are crying today
Eli may be gone, but he is not forgotten.
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Defensive backs everywhere are crying today
Eli may be gone, but he is not forgotten.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2873000-tom-brady-tweets-at-retired-eli-manning-i-wish-you-hadnt-won-any-super-bowls?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
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Jimmy Haslam is.clearly impressed with an Ivy League education in a way that only a graduate of a glorified commuter college can be.
Football been Berry Berry good to him. I hope the choice of GM does not result in the Browns getting Berried in the standings. I hear he is Berry good talent.evaluator.
I got a million of those jokes. And they all suck.
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Super Bowl Line 2020 - Super Bowl LIV (54)
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
2/2 6:30 ET Kansas City -1.5 San Francisco 54 27-24
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SuperBowl Pixs
going with tradition and what has worked pretty well
I'm taking the Pats and laying the points
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SuperBowl Pixs
going with tradition and what has worked pretty well
I'm taking the Pats and laying the points
Love it!
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Super Bowl Line 2020 - Super Bowl LIV (54)
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
2/2 6:30 ET Kansas City -1.5 San Francisco 54 27-24
San Francisco to win, 35-32
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SuperBowl Pixs
going with tradition and what has worked pretty well
I'm taking the Pats and laying the points
I may have to reconsider my SB pick.
January was a tough month for Patriots and their fans.
Pats lost to the Titans 20-13 a few weeks ago
Last night Patriots lost democracy 51-49
Go 49ers!
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How about in OT
49ers 30
Chiefs 24
Mahomes never touches the ball
Trump, laying the 1 1/2 is pissed, signs executive order mandating equal OT touches
and he welchs on bet
he's not shy about touching or grabbing or cheating.
Go Democracy!
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And to think I wandered in here, and college futbol, to get away from the politics forums. KC was mom's hometown, so...go Chiefs!
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NFL prop picks
(I stayed with 27-24 though I now think it may be more like 31-28 KC - and the over)
https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/sports/navigation/6227.1/12804.3
I like the following
* Garapolo +58.5 passing yards vs Mahomes (+105) LOSS
*Mahomes first TD pass OVER 14.5 yards (-115) LOSS
*Mahomes will throw a 3rd quarter TD (+100) LOSS
*Number of players with a pass attempt OVER 2,5 (+125) LOSS
*Most receiving yards Deebo Samuel (+750) LOSS
*Any TE/WR with 100 yards - YES (-230) WIN
*Receptions battle - Kelce vs Kittle - KELCE (-120) WIN
*Total KC rushing yards - OVER 88.5 (-115) WIN
*Game decided by exactly 3 points - (+470) LOSS
*Last play of game a QB kneel - NO (+140) WIN
*Largest lead of game - UNDER 14.5 points (-130) WIN
*Distance of shortest TD scored - OVER 1.5 yards (+130) LOSS
*What happens first - punt or points - KC - punt (-130) WIN San Fran - punt (-130) LOSS
*Fumble lost in first half - YES (+120) LOSS
*TD scorers, first/second - KITTLE, KELCE (+3900) LOSS
*Position of last TD scorer - WIDE OUT (+180) LOSS
*Either team TD on opening drive - NO (-110) WIN
*Will there be a succesful 2-pt attempt? - NO (-300) WIN
*Will both teams have the lead, second half - YES (+135) WIN
*Robbie Gould total points - UNDER 8.5 (-125) WIN
*Harrison Butker total points - OVER 8.5 (+110) LOSS
10-12
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Pat Mahomes sounds almost vulgar.
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Oh well.
I suspect we will see these QBs in the Super Bowl again.
Of course, we've been waiting to see Aaron Rodgers again for a good while now, yet here we are 10 years later. So, maybe not.
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Chick coach's O-line couldn't hold when it mattered
"Let's run it agin, run it agin...."
heh
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Chris Myers has UPPED my appreciation for the female sideline reporter.
Shame on FOX
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Shanny and Jimmy G shit themselves in the 4Q.
should have kept running the ball and clock
dumb.
Good for Andy and Chief fans
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My stomach is turning.
People I know and respect (in some ways) believe this crap.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/jrvY3yXxfOb5Xf1gpY6-_V5kgMCTw3xY6uD33XvHSOF19967Rn_wdng4UcWKLfNN7TPz9qcmyi_DoR_B7jEzHbJX5wAKoLOHEwR1dB89G8u6wU2BfGuCm8wtdrzjBz66KbsF0aAsWC45ixLKWQ?fbclid=IwAR1E23_GCG10P4stkO1sKeBMsgCxAsgfn-9Rh6jm8dzK3XvxyM71J971TZc)
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I’m pretty sure Josh is wound way too tightly.
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I’m pretty sure Josh is wound way too tightly.
I'm pretty sure you have no fucking clue what you are talking about here, either, Ward.
No doubt you are waiting for the rapture.
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I’m pretty sure Josh is wound way too tightly.
I'm pretty sure you have no fucking clue what you are talking about here, either, Ward.
No doubt you are waiting for the rapture.
I sure am! Get rid of all those smug, self righteous bastards in one fell swoop and leave the rest of us sinners conscious of the need to work on our salvation here to muddle through without their hectoring Bull shit.
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I’m pretty sure Josh is wound way too tightly.
I'm pretty sure you have no fucking clue what you are talking about here, either, Ward.
No doubt you are waiting for the rapture.
😁😂😁😂
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Looks like Greg Robinson is going to be signing with Paul Crewe and the Mean Machine. Not even Willie Nelson could pitch 157 pounds of weed as "personal use".
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Looks like 7-9 teams coming to a playoff near you
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I was priviledged to watch the best that ever was, at arguably the most demanding position in sport, for two decades.
How do you adequately thank the guy who brought you fun and so much excitement, so much joy, and so many championships.
He made my live better.
It sounds dumb but its true.
So thanks Tom you were special and you will be missed.
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I was priviledged to watch the best that ever was, at arguably the most demanding position in sport, for two decades.
How do you adequately thank the guy who brought you fun and so much excitement, so much joy, and so many championships.
He made my life better.
It sounds dumb but its true.
So thanks Tom you were special and you will be missed.
You could write across the sky in letters
that would soar a thousand feet high
"To Sir, with love!"
He made many people's lives better in immeasurable ways.
I hope somebody signs him for what he wants, but if not, I hope he eats his words and returns.
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Giants nab Ebner, win NFC off season.
Tampa Bay second.
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So banks, you all rolling with Hoyer next year?
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So banks, you all rolling with Hoyer next year?
Brady beats Jimmy G in the NFC Championship game, only to find the surprising Patriots, led by Hoyer, waiting for them in the Super Bowl!
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Always liked Hoyer. Once a Spartan, always a Spartan.
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So banks, you all rolling with Hoyer next year?
Absolutely. He knows the lay of the land and comes on the cheap.
I'm pretty sure BB went after him so Brady couldn't bring him to Tampa Bay.
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Always liked Hoyer. Once a Spartan, always a Spartan.
Or once a Patriot always a Patriot.
This is his 3rd time around.
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He was 10 - 6 as a Browns QB. Which is astonishing.
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Of course this included the big choke game vs Luck and the Colts in '14.
Pretty good team that year, led by a stout defense. Too little offfense (12 TD vs 13 picks) though. Then Hoyer had to bow out, leaving things unfinished.
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You know your NFL career is not going to head the way you hoped when after Tom Brady leaves the Patriots, they still release you.
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/sports/patriots-release-third-string-quarterback-cody-kessler/2101051/
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Robert Kraft sends Pats plane to China to pick-up N-95 masks
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/02/nation/kraft-family-used-patriots-team-plane-shuttle-protective-masks-china-boston-wsj-reports/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/02/nation/kraft-family-used-patriots-team-plane-shuttle-protective-masks-china-boston-wsj-reports/)
In an extraordinary move, the Kraft family deployed the New England Patriots team plane to China to fetch more than one million desperately-needed N95 respirator masks used by front-line health care workers to prevent the spread of the deadly coronavirus, Governor Charlie Baker announced Thursday morning.
Robert Kraft personally purchased 300,000 N95 masks that he plans to provide to New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, whose state is an epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic.
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So...
big decisions looming for G-men and Dolphins, among others
NFL Network mock has Simmons falling to TEN, a steal for Browns.
If Giants agree they could deal down to 7, 8 or 9 and get Simmons while adding to their allotment of picks.
Is anyone dealing up for Tua, Herbert, the Iowa tackle or one of the many DBs or WR options - which do come in tiers?
Should Giants do this and LOSE the Iowa tackle AND Simmons, there are still excellent picks to make at the slot they traded down to.
Cant go wrong staying put and selecting one of that duo, true.
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So...
big decisions looming for G-men and Dolphins, among others
Mock draft has Giants trading down just one spot and picking up a 2nd rounder and a future 4th.
Taking a RT and a OC with their first two picks.
https://sports.yahoo.com/giants-seven-round-2020-nfl-203442613.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/giants-seven-round-2020-nfl-203442613.html)
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Cool.
Why would Miami go from 5 to 4? Aren't they taking a QB?
Maurice Jones-Drew has Giants moving up for Chase Young after Chargers trade up to the #2 slot for Tua.
edit: Oh, I see - Miami moves up so Chargers cannot - bidding war LAC and Miami. Could happen.
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Cool.
Why would Miami go from 5 to 4? Aren't they taking a QB?
Maurice Jones-Drew has Giants moving up for Chase Young after Chargers trade up to the #2 slot for Tua.
edit: Oh, I see - Miami moves up so Chargers cannot - bidding war LAC and Miami. Could happen.
I think it's more likely they trade down than up but i won't complain either way.
I think standing pat would be poor mgmt. Leverage these QB hungry teams.
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So...
big decisions looming for G-men and Dolphins, among others
NFL Network mock has Simmons falling to TEN, a steal for Browns.
If Giants agree they could deal down to 7, 8 or 9 and get Simmons while adding to their allotment of picks.
Is anyone dealing up for Tua, Herbert, the Iowa tackle or one of the many DBs or WR options - which do come in tiers?
Should Giants do this and LOSE the Iowa tackle AND Simmons, there are still excellent picks to make at the slot they traded down to.
Cant go wrong staying put and selecting one of that duo, true.
The only way we do not take an LT. If Simmons is available, we take him and see what is needed to get 9ne of the second tier LT prospect and sign, say, Jason Peters.for a year.
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Cool.
Why would Miami go from 5 to 4? Aren't they taking a QB?
Maurice Jones-Drew has Giants moving up for Chase Young after Chargers trade up to the #2 slot for Tua.
edit: Oh, I see - Miami moves up so Chargers cannot - bidding war LAC and Miami. Could happen.
I think it's more likely they trade down than up but i won't complain either way.
I think standing pat would be poor mgmt. Leverage these QB hungry teams.
Depends how much better you think, say, Wirfs is than the next best prospect. If he is your guy, you cannot.trade.far down and let Arizona or Cleveland jump you.
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Cool.
Why would Miami go from 5 to 4? Aren't they taking a QB?
Maurice Jones-Drew has Giants moving up for Chase Young after Chargers trade up to the #2 slot for Tua.
edit: Oh, I see - Miami moves up so Chargers cannot - bidding war LAC and Miami. Could happen.
I think it's more likely they trade down than up but i won't complain either way.
I think standing pat would be poor mgmt. Leverage these QB hungry teams.
Depends how much better you think, say, Wirfs is than the next best prospect. If he is your guy, you cannot.trade.far down and let Arizona or Cleveland jump you.
Trading down one or at most two spots, acquire more draft picks, and still get your choice of Wirfs Wills or Bechton. Seems like a no-lose situation.
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Cool.
Why would Miami go from 5 to 4? Aren't they taking a QB?
Maurice Jones-Drew has Giants moving up for Chase Young after Chargers trade up to the #2 slot for Tua.
edit: Oh, I see - Miami moves up so Chargers cannot - bidding war LAC and Miami. Could happen.
I think it's more likely they trade down than up but i won't complain either way.
I think standing pat would be poor mgmt. Leverage these QB hungry teams.
Depends how much better you think, say, Wirfs is than the next best prospect. If he is your guy, you cannot.trade.far down and let Arizona or Cleveland jump you.
Trading down one or at most two spots, acquire more draft picks, and still get your choice of Wirfs Wills or Bechton. Seems like a no-lose situation.
Dont forget Thomas. But.you are talking about the OL prospects as being roughly equal. Again, if your talent evaluation has one of them much better than the other three, you do not want to lose him for a 2 or 3.
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True.
Thuis as I said - its all offer dependent.
Shit - I would take Tua - open up so many options.
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True.
Thuis as I said - its all offer dependent.
Shit - I would take Tua - open up so many options.
My own guess is Tua is gone at 3. If Detroit trades back to 5 or 6 they can probably still choose between Okhuda or Simmons, or at worst get one of them, and auctioning the Tua slot between San Angeles and Miami should get enough return.
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Very true
Unless LAC go all the way to 2.
Then DET gets Young - unless as MJ Drew says Giants deal up with Lions to get him.
MJD also had the shocker of HERBERT being picked by the Bengals, not Burrow, with the LSU QB going I believe to the Fins.
NFL.com for details.
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So...
Patriots lose 4 of the top 100 free agents - and add zero.
And likely to take a backup QB round 1.
Could be a rough year (pray for cancellation, Bank)
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2020 QB Scores:
Nate Stanley (Iowa): 40
Jake Fromm (Georgia); 35
Joe Burrow (LSU): 34
Jake Luton (Oregon State): 29
Jordan Love (Utah State): 27
Justin Herbert (Oregon): 25
Anthony Gordon (Washington State): 25
Brian Lewerke (Michigan State): 25
Jacob Eason (Washington): 23
James Morgan (Florida International): 23
Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma): 18
Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama): 13
2019 Scores:
43 Ryan Finley (re-test; scored 28 the first time)
42 Gardner Minshew
37 Daniel Jones
32 Easton Stick
32 Clayton Thorson
31 Trace McSorley
30 Will Grier
28 Brett Rypien
27 Jarrett Stidham
26 Drew Lock
25 Tyree Jackson
25 Dwayne Haskins
22 Sean McGuire
20 Kyler Murray
2018 QBs:
Josh Allen: 37
Josh Rosen: 29
Sam Darnold: 28
Baker Mayfield: 25
Lamar Jackson: 13
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So...
Patriots lose 4 of the top 100 free agents - and add zero.
And likely to take a backup QB round 1.
Could be a rough year (pray for cancellation, Bank)
NFL actually compensates teams when they lose a FA. Had they signed anyone they'd stand to have fewer comp picks.
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-projected-receive-best-2020-compensatory-nfl-draft-pick-haul (https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-projected-receive-best-2020-compensatory-nfl-draft-pick-haul)
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2020 QB Scores:
Nate Stanley (Iowa): 40
Jake Fromm (Georgia); 35
Joe Burrow (LSU): 34
Jake Luton (Oregon State): 29
Jordan Love (Utah State): 27
Justin Herbert (Oregon): 25
Anthony Gordon (Washington State): 25
Brian Lewerke (Michigan State): 25
Jacob Eason (Washington): 23
James Morgan (Florida International): 23
Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma): 18
Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama): 13
2019 Scores:
43 Ryan Finley (re-test; scored 28 the first time)
42 Gardner Minshew
37 Daniel Jones
32 Easton Stick
32 Clayton Thorson
31 Trace McSorley
30 Will Grier
28 Brett Rypien
27 Jarrett Stidham
26 Drew Lock
25 Tyree Jackson
25 Dwayne Haskins
22 Sean McGuire
20 Kyler Murray
2018 QBs:
Josh Allen: 37
Josh Rosen: 29
Sam Darnold: 28
Baker Mayfield: 25
Lamar Jackson: 13
Wow
Is Wunderlich racially biased?
I like Fromm for the Steelers
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So...
Patriots lose 4 of the top 100 free agents - and add zero.
And likely to take a backup QB round 1.
Could be a rough year (pray for cancellation, Bank)
NFL actually compensates teams when they lose a FA. Had they signed anyone they'd stand to have fewer comp picks.
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-projected-receive-best-2020-compensatory-nfl-draft-pick-haul (https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-projected-receive-best-2020-compensatory-nfl-draft-pick-haul)
That's fine
Still no second rounder
If they take the development QB in first round.....
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So...
Patriots lose 4 of the top 100 free agents - and add zero.
And likely to take a backup QB round 1.
Could be a rough year (pray for cancellation, Bank)
I hope the NFL can get off the ground in '20, if they do its going to be a made for TV poduct.
Its 60/40 they will play, but my expectations are pretty low for the Pats.
Tough schedule and lots of questions re personnel.
They're clearly in rebuild mode.
Bills should be favored in the AFC East.
And the lost players to FA will probably turn into 2 comp 3rd rounders and a sixth next year (like this year)
If NFL plays this year, I'm more interested in TB12 in Tampa and whether he can get them into the post-season.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/us/rob-gronkowski-trade-nfl-spt-trnd/index.html
Gronk back in the NFL, in TB.
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I hope the NFL can get off the ground in '20, if they do its going to be a made for TV poduct.
GOING TO be?
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And if they do play it's going to have mind-boggling TV ratings.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/us/rob-gronkowski-trade-nfl-spt-trnd/index.html
Gronk back in the NFL, in TB.
I cringe...
I guess its better than his muckng up the WWE
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https://www.giants.com/news/the-irrelevant-giant-story-of-john-tuggle-mr-irrelevant-1983-nfl-draft (https://www.giants.com/news/the-irrelevant-giant-story-of-john-tuggle-mr-irrelevant-1983-nfl-draft)
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Final mocks for Giants (via NF.com)
Jeremiah - WIRFS
Schrager - WILLS
Zierlein - WIRFS
Casserly - WILLS
Kid8 - SIMMONS
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Can't believe they are making us watch Dr Fauci.
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I could make some of these Joe Burreaux throws they are showing
Cannot wait to see him against the Steelers and Ravens defense.
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I'm fine with the pick. I guess there was no deal to be made to trade down enough spots where a stud OT would still be there.
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Yeah - sucked that there were 2 QBs of just about equal worth - Hebert and Tua - and thus G-men couldnt pit MIA and LAC against each other.
Nobody was dealing up for a tackle
Were they dealing up for a Derek Brown? Maybe - but would have been costly to go all the way to 4.
Perfect storm for Dolphins - if they pass on Tua - just a shit show.
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This "sit him for a year" is bullshit with Tua.
Wildcat, baby.
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Could Chargers deal down here? Or is it too worrisome that OAK may then deal up for Herbert?
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Your guy Simmons is dropping.
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Dropped only behind Brown, a great player
Paying close attention to ATL this year
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WIRFS dropping
heh
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Jets must really love Becton. But wasnt he flagged for a drug?
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WIRFS dropping
heh
I don't see why the Jets took Becton over Wirfs. That's a head scratcher. I'm sure Tom Brady is happy Wirfs was there.
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strange pick for the jints. Jets as well. Stuck in mediocrity. Out of play-offs forever.
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WIRFS dropping
heh
I don't see why the Jets took Becton over Wirfs. That's a head scratcher. I'm sure Tom Brady is happy Wirfs was there.
I am not seeing one as measurably better than the other.
May have seen something they liked in the interviews. I am almost CERTAIN Giants did with Thomas.
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strange pick for the jints. Jets as well. Stuck in mediocrity. Out of play-offs forever.
What was strange about the Giants pick, that it was OL or that it wasn't one of the other OL-men?
Three straight years now with Top 10 picks and the G-men take a RB a QB and an OT.
Hopefully set at these very important positions for the next 5 years.
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WIRFS dropping
heh
I don't see why the Jets took Becton over Wirfs. That's a head scratcher. I'm sure Tom Brady is happy Wirfs was there.
I am not seeing one as measurably better than the other.
May have seen something they liked in the interviews. I am almost CERTAIN Giants did with Thomas.
Supposedly Thomas had the cleanest film, especially if you wanted a left tackle.
4 might have been a hard pick to sell, with the two teams needing QB sitting right behind. Who else was going to move up, that would not involve the Giants moving too far down? Besides, Gettleman's rep is he does not trade down.
I wanted Thomas or a trade down, but the Browns analytics really like Willis. Or so they say. I am just hoping they didn't ask some homeless guy this time.
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The Dreadskins took Chase Young, and the G-Men took Andrew Thomas in a bid to slow him down.
Dallas got a really good WR in CC Lamb. Maybe the #1 WR (although Ruggs and Jeudy were taken before him respectively)
Four picks later and without another WR being selected the Eagles drafted by some accounts a 2nd or 3rd rd WR. The 5'11 Jalen Raeghor.
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And whats with the Packers trading up to draft a QB? Aaron Rodgers must be fuming.
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It's good.to be da King...sbury:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AZCardinals/status/1253477953251340288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-37968295452364088083.ampproject.net%2F2004172112280%2Fframe.html
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The Dreadskins took Chase Young, and the G-Men took Andrew Thomas in a bid to slow him down.
Dallas got a really good WR in CC Lamb. Maybe the #1 WR (although Ruggs and Jeudy were taken before him respectively)
Four picks later and without another WR being selected the Eagles drafted by some accounts a 2nd or 3rd rd WR. The 5'11 Jalen Raeghor.
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And whats with the Packers trading up to draft a QB? Aaron Rodgers must be fuming.
Were you watching?
Reagor looks downright electric.
I dont read as much into the Packers situation that others do. Pack had to take a QB soon - this year next, the year after....... and this guy was seen as a great value at the 26.
And if they suddenly start losing - and like what they see in camp/seesions with Love - Rodgers certainly has trade value- or they could just Brady him spring of '21 or '22.
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Reagor looks to be an all or nothing type asset. There are some weeks where he looks like what Percy Harvin was supposed to be, other weeks where he looks like what Percy Harvin actually was. His hands are shaky at best, his routes don’t match his movement skills, and he doesn’t play big. He has first round burst and big play potential, but there is so much more to it than that.
Philly gambled on his upside. But seemed unnecessary with so many WRs available. Simply a reach.
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a) they were taking a WR
b) they liked him best
- kick returning likely factored in. And I wouldn't be surprised to see him on quite a few WR screens and running plays
If he is a bust, good for us. But has an NFL pedigree and I'd be surprised if he doesn't help them.
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Coiuple of mocks I have seen have Patriots snagging Jake Fromm just ahead of Pittsburgh, at pick 100 (Steelers then grab an edge rusher)
I'd be OK wither way but I like Fromm. Could be we are OK with Rudolph anyway.
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The Dreadskins took Chase Young, and the G-Men took Andrew Thomas in a bid to slow him down.
Dallas got a really good WR in CC Lamb. Maybe the #1 WR (although Ruggs and Jeudy were taken before him respectively)
Four picks later and without another WR being selected the Eagles drafted by some accounts a 2nd or 3rd rd WR. The 5'11 Jalen Raeghor.
Eagles take a QB in RD2. Wow im loving the Eagles draft for the rest of the NFC East.
Eagles fans are melting down
https://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/topic/763155-round-2-53-eagles-select-oklahoma-qb-jalen-hurts/ (https://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/topic/763155-round-2-53-eagles-select-oklahoma-qb-jalen-hurts/)
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Coiuple of mocks I have seen have Patriots snagging Jake Fromm just ahead of Pittsburgh, at pick 100 (Steelers then grab an edge rusher)
I'd be OK wither way but I like Fromm. Could be we are OK with Rudolph anyway.
Steelers get Highsmith
I like what I see.
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Kentucky QB/WR would have been perfect for Giants - but the UCONN kid is a beast eh?
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Giants also need a LB, no?
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Giants also need a LB, no?
They do but they should keep building the offense. C and WR. Invest in Daniel Jones.
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watching the draft the first couple of days was more entertaining than I thought, of course my point of refererence this year in quarantine might skew my POV.
in any case BB was playing checkers jumping trading down and out of the first, but trading up and down in the 2nd and 3rd, all to find some incremental value or prove he's the smartest guy on Nantucket I think he was a little bored too. The shot of his dog manning (Eli?) his computer cracked me up. BB enjoys trolling us.
I think the takeaways from the Pats draft so far is that BB thinks a tough fast D can win and poses the questions do you really need a star QB? If a dog can do BB's job, can a dog do a GOAT''s?
Seems he's going to give Stidham a chance to grow into the job, or put himself or his pooch in the position of drafting a QB next year.
Stay healthy and stay home.
And for those who enjoy libations while they're in isolation
THE DONALD DAQUIRI
perfect for those lazy, crazy hazy daze of summer as we wait for football season
3 parts Clorox
1 part rum
1 part simpleton syrup
garnish with slice of lime
chill, swill
kill the virus!
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Washington Redskins 2020 draft picks tracker
ROUND OVERALL PLAYER SELECTED GRADE
2 EDGE Chase Young, Ohio State A
66 RB Antonio Gibson, Memphis C
108 OT Saahdiq Charles, LSU C+
142 WR Antonio Gandy-Golden, Liberty A
156 OL Keith Ismael, San Diego State C
162 LB Khaleke Hudson, Michigan C-
216 S Kamren Curl, Arkansas C-
229 DE James Smith-Williams, NC State C
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1 21 WR Jalen Reagor, TCU B
2 53 QB Jalen Hurts, Oklahoma C+
3 103^ LB Davion Taylor, Colorado A
4 127 S K'Von Wallace, Clemson A
4 145^ OL Jack Driscoll, Auburn B-
5 168* WR John Hightower, Boise State A
6 196* LB Shaun Bradley, Temple B-
6 200* WR Quez Watkins, Southern Miss C+
6 210* OT Prince Tega Wanogho, Auburn A
7 233* LB Casey Toohill, Stanford A
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1 17 WR CeeDee Lamb, Oklahoma B+
2 51 CB Trevon Diggs, Alabama B+
3 82 DL Neville Gallimore, Oklahoma A
4 123 CB Reggie Robinson II, Tulsa C+
4 146 C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin A
5 179 DE Bradlee Anae, Utah A
7 231 QB Ben DiNucci, James Madison C-
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New York Giants 2020 draft picks tracker
ROUND OVERALL PLAYER SELECTED GRADE
1 4 OT Andrew Thomas, Georgia B+
2 36 S Xavier McKinney, Alabama A
3 99 OT Matt Peart, UConn A
4 110 CB Darnay Holmes, UCLA A-
5 150 G Shane Lemieux, Oregon B-
6 183 LB Cam Brown, Penn State C+
7 218 LB Carter Coughlin, Minnesota A
7 238 LB T.J. Brunson, South Carolina C-
7 247 CB Chris Williamson, Minnesota B-
7 255 LB Tae Crowder, Georgia C-
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Washington Redskins 2020 draft picks tracker
ROUND OVERALL PLAYER SELECTED GRADE
2 EDGE Chase Young, Ohio State A
66 RB Antonio Gibson, Memphis C
108 OT Saahdiq Charles, LSU C+
142 WR Antonio Gandy-Golden, Liberty A
156 OL Keith Ismael, San Diego State C
162 LB Khaleke Hudson, Michigan C-
216 S Kamren Curl, Arkansas C-
229 DE James Smith-Williams, NC State C
Add TE Thaddeus Moss (Randy's Kid) as an UDFA
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True fact of interest only to me: in signing UDFA Brian Lewerke, the New England Patriots now have the first and the last quarterback of Mark Dantonio's tenure at MSU. Both named Brian.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001112509/article/2020-nfl-draft-class-rankings-ravens-cowboys-vikes-clean-up (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001112509/article/2020-nfl-draft-class-rankings-ravens-cowboys-vikes-clean-up)
A+ to A- (11 teams)
B+ to B- (12 teams)
C+ to C- (8 teams)
D+ to D- (1 team)
The NFC East
Dallas Cowboys (A+)
New York Giants (B+)
Washington Redskins (B)
Philadelphia Eagles (C)
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RANK
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PACKERS: D
» Round 1: (No. 26 overall) Jordan Love, QB, Utah State.
» Round 2: (62) AJ Dillon, RB, Boston College.
» Round 3: (94) Josiah Deguara, TE, Cincinnati.
» Round 5: (175) Kamal Martin, LB, Minnesota.
» Round 6: (192) Jon Runyan, OG, Michigan; (208) Jake Hanson, C, Oregon; (209) Simon Stepaniak, OG, Indiana.
» Round 7: (236) Vernon Scott, DB, TCU; (242) Jonathan Garvin, Edge, Miami (Fla.).
FILICE: Palace intrigue in Titletown!
By now, you've heard all the juicy anecdotes surrounding Green Bay's stunning, STOP-THE-PRESSES selection of Love. But let's quickly review, because the drama here runs thick:
-- On draft day, Aaron Rodgers shared his Round 1 wishes with former punter/current sports talker Pat McAfee: "We haven't picked a skill player in the first round in 15 years, so that would be kind of cool." The Packers responded by ... trading up to draft his eventual replacement.
-- Of Rodgers' 364 career touchdown passes, exactly one has landed in the hands of a first-round pick. ( A 1-yard toss this past December to Marcedes Lewis, a former first-round pick of the Jacksonville Jaguars.)
-- Supreme Packers scribe Bob McGinn offered his thoughts on the sitch in a piece on The Athletic after the draft: Public niceties aside, my sense is (head coach Matt) LaFleur, fresh from a terrific 13-3 baptismal season, simply had enough of Rodgers' act and wanted to change the narrative. With a first-round talent on the roster, the Packers would gain leverage with their imperial quarterback and his passive-aggressive style.
-- Supreme Packers icon Brett Favre offered his thoughts on the sitch in an appearance on the Rich Eisen Show after a conversation with Rodgers: " Tom Brady, and myself, Joe Montana and Peyton Manning, just to name a few, finished their career elsewhere. ... I think you're going to see that trend more and more, and I think Aaron will finish somewhere else."
Well alright! Now, to Rodgers' credit, Love said the two-time league MVP reached out to him on Friday to offer congratulations. Good on Rodgers. But you have to imagine he's absolutely livid right now -- and it's hard to blame him. The Pack spent their second-round pick on a hulking power back and their third-rounder on an H-back, while failing to snag a single receiver in a draft class that's purportedly historically deep at the position. Is Green Bay becoming ... a run-first operation? When you add everything up, it's impossible not to be utterly obsessed with the ...
Palace intrigue in Titletown!
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Idiots.
(I mean the critics)
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Patriots : )
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29176557/nfl-cornerbacks-deandre-baker-quinton-dunbar-wanted-armed-robbery-charges (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29176557/nfl-cornerbacks-deandre-baker-quinton-dunbar-wanted-armed-robbery-charges)
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/04/sport/drew-brees-apology-nfl-spt-intl/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/04/sport/drew-brees-apology-nfl-spt-intl/index.html)
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Jake Fromm's NFL career is looking to be epically short.
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I doubt he would have ever been an elite QB.
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I doubt he would have ever been an elite QB.
No, but Cody Kessler's career was well within his reach. Absent, of course, the "Only elite white people should block for you" response he is likely to get in the locker room.
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I doubt he would have ever been an elite QB.
No, but Cody Kessler's career was well within his reach. Absent, of course, the "Only elite white people should block for you" response he is likely to get in the locker room.
I just heard the Fromm story.
JFC
Does Fromm have General Rommel and his Panzer Division protecting his blind side?
Munich 32, Seig, hut hut
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Jake? Fromm State farm.
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Goodell takes a knee
apologizes over NFL's stance re Kap's protest
4 years too late
but he sees the wind of change and takes the wind
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Goodell takes a knee
apologizes over NFL's stance re Kap's protest
4 years too late
but he sees the wind of change and takes the wind
Neglects to mention Kap at all.
Taking fire on that.
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Goodell takes a knee
apologizes over NFL's stance re Kap's protest
4 years too late
but he sees the wind of change and takes the wind
Neglects to mention Kap at all.
Taking fire on that.
Rog is not a man of great moral courage.
As per a late Friday news dump release on the issue.
There is only saw far he will accept culpability.
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Giants do the right thing:
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/08/new-york-giants-owners-attended-team-meeting-on-racial-injustice/ (https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/08/new-york-giants-owners-attended-team-meeting-on-racial-injustice/)
AS do Pats: https://www.wwlp.com/news/top-stories/patriots-pledge-1-million-to-social-justice-causes/ (https://www.wwlp.com/news/top-stories/patriots-pledge-1-million-to-social-justice-causes/)
Of course the Jets did this back in 2018.
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Terrell Owens accuses Steve Mariucci of systemic racism:
https://www.nj.com/eagles/2020/06/black-lives-matter-ex-eagle-terrell-owens-accuses-49ers-steve-mariucci-of-systemic-racism.html (https://www.nj.com/eagles/2020/06/black-lives-matter-ex-eagle-terrell-owens-accuses-49ers-steve-mariucci-of-systemic-racism.html)
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Ezekiel Elliott has COVID-19, along with other teammates and some Houston Texans.
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Ezekiel Elliott has COVID-19, along with other teammates and some Houston Texans.
Texans: Don't mess with Texas
COVID: Hold my beer
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Ezekiel Elliott has COVID-19, along with other teammates and some Houston Texans.
Someone violated HIPAA.
Jerry Jones?
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Ezekiel Elliott has COVID-19, along with other teammates and some Houston Texans.
Someone violated HIPAA.
Jerry Jones?
https://sports.yahoo.com/ezekiel-elliott-upset-about-covid-19-diagnosis-going-public-184043731.html
His agent, from the sounds of it.
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Jim Kiicks the bucket: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/two-time-super-bowl-champion-jim-kiick-dies-at-73/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/two-time-super-bowl-champion-jim-kiick-dies-at-73/)
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/28/sports/patriots-sign-qb-cam-newton-one-year-deal-per-report/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/28/sports/patriots-sign-qb-cam-newton-one-year-deal-per-report/?event=event12)
I'm not a Newton fan, although when he was healthy he gave the Pats headaches.
maybe its a Stidham motivator.
Separately being reported Pats fined $1.1m and lose 3rd rounder for Bengal gate.
Dumb fucks.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/28/sports/patriots-sign-qb-cam-newton-one-year-deal-per-report/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/28/sports/patriots-sign-qb-cam-newton-one-year-deal-per-report/?event=event12)
I'm not a Newton fan, although when he was healthy he gave the Pats headaches.
maybe its a Stidham motivator.
Separately being reported Pats fined $1.1m and lose 3rd rounder for Bengal gate.
Dumb fucks.
Will Boston embrace a black QB?
All over Twitter, comments like this:
https://twitter.com/ClaytonMistler/status/1277416975514447872?s=20 (https://twitter.com/ClaytonMistler/status/1277416975514447872?s=20)
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any QB following the GOAT is not in an enviable position.
But if Newton can still play and play hard, he'll have no problem
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I'm assuming Boston fans will treat Newton as well as Philly fans treated Richie Allen.
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I'm assuming Boston fans will treat Newton as well as Philly fans treated Richie Allen.
Gee, there's a fair comparison. Likely Boston is about 50 years behind Philly.
Then there's Yankee fans. Ask Delino DeShields, JR.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-delino-deshields-yankee-stadium-racism-20200609-yxczfgooxbg7ppajovbum3mxie-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-delino-deshields-yankee-stadium-racism-20200609-yxczfgooxbg7ppajovbum3mxie-story.html)
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So good to have you back.
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And there were these Yfans:https://www.bardown.com/yankees-fan-ejected-after-crossing-the-line-with-very-personal-greinke-bullpen-taunts-1.1383515 (https://www.bardown.com/yankees-fan-ejected-after-crossing-the-line-with-very-personal-greinke-bullpen-taunts-1.1383515)
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Bugel silenced. Hugs mourn.
https://sports.yahoo.com/legendary-washington-offensive-line-coach-joe-bugel-famous-for-the-hogs-dies-at-80-190422524.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/legendary-washington-offensive-line-coach-joe-bugel-famous-for-the-hogs-dies-at-80-190422524.html)
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They've already started in Boston .
https://sports.yahoo.com/welcome-to-boston-cam-newton-he-can-already-hear-the-dog-whistles-and-trite-criticism-204248832.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/welcome-to-boston-cam-newton-he-can-already-hear-the-dog-whistles-and-trite-criticism-204248832.html)
We welcome you to Boston, with this laurel, and hardy handshake, our new....
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Utley and Boston Sports radio lucked out
there is no real sports news anywhere
so Boston Sports radio for better or worse (and Felger trolls his audience something fierce with hot takes and he admits it) has something of interest to talk about
The Pats sign a former MVP to replace a former MVP, so questions of fit and culture Newton or Stidham are naturals to discuss, as any sports fan might.
Its fair game
But for a troll its just material to mine
SSDD
lucky us
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You wonder if other (read "not black") QBs would get this kind of scrutiny, if they had signed with the Pats.
Here's another one exploring the question of whether he can handle to vaunted "Patriot Way".
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29388634/when-comes-winning-cam-newton-patriot-way-perfect-fit (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29388634/when-comes-winning-cam-newton-patriot-way-perfect-fit)
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You wonder if other (read "not black") QBs would get this kind of scrutiny, if they had signed with the Pats.
Here's another one exploring the question of whether he can handle to vaunted "Patriot Way".
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29388634/when-comes-winning-cam-newton-patriot-way-perfect-fit (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29388634/when-comes-winning-cam-newton-patriot-way-perfect-fit)
Gee, you must have missed the lengthy discussion of Jason Stidham in the Boston and NE sports media and about whether he can handle things.
He got less attention about his injuries, though, to be fair.
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click-bait there's almost literally nothing to talk about
if you go to the Ringer NFL front page there are 10 articles or podcasts devoted to Newton to the Pats.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl (https://www.theringer.com/nfl)
And race is discussed because its a raging front page issue now and Boston unfortunately has a past with a few idiot racists.
So do other cities but those cities are less visible and less successful than the Boston teams in general,
So its a good target, its get attention, and it attracts trolls who have little else to talk about.
In any case, as to real substance, rather than Utleyesque value-free BS
Most observers think BB got a steal with his 1-yr signing of Newton.
and as posted here numerous times BB is probsably the NFL's best known value investor. He looks for depressed assets at below book value prices.
Sometimes he hits sometimes not.
I suspect if Newton's healthy he'll bust his ass to become the player he once was. As he's playing for next big contract.
But he'll still have the challenge of following the GOAT-never an easy task for anyone, black or white. .
And he's got to win over a veteran the locker-room that knows about winning with his ability and leadership
I was not not big on his theatrics, the Superman BS, and celebrating 1st downs, but if he plays hard he'll make a lot of friends in NE.
But if he backs away from a loose ball on the ground he'll catch heat, and righly so, and race will have nothing to do with it.
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https://youtu.be/kAJZpuImQNg (https://youtu.be/kAJZpuImQNg)
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-to-cut-two-weeks-off-2020-preseason-schedule-could-end-up-canceling-all-preseason-games/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-to-cut-two-weeks-off-2020-preseason-schedule-could-end-up-canceling-all-preseason-games/)
Do season ticket holders get a refund?
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Change the name, if you want that stadium, Washington.
https://sports.yahoo.com/washington-owner-dan-snyder-cant-build-new-stadium-at-rfk-site-unless-team-changes-its-name-170106907.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/washington-owner-dan-snyder-cant-build-new-stadium-at-rfk-site-unless-team-changes-its-name-170106907.html)
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Change the name, if you want that stadium, Washington.
https://sports.yahoo.com/washington-owner-dan-snyder-cant-build-new-stadium-at-rfk-site-unless-team-changes-its-name-170106907.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/washington-owner-dan-snyder-cant-build-new-stadium-at-rfk-site-unless-team-changes-its-name-170106907.html)
Snyder is considering changing the team's name from Redskins to Rebels.
But don't ask what the team's uniforms and banner looks like.
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NFL wants fans to be unwaivering in their support, but first
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/01/report-nfl-may-require-fans-to-sign-a-covid-19-waiver/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/01/report-nfl-may-require-fans-to-sign-a-covid-19-waiver/)
Daniel Kaplan of TheAthletic.com reports that the league is considering a requirement that fans sign liability waivers protecting the league from lawsuits based on contracting COVID-19. The potential waiver “likely” will be forwarded to teams by the middle of next week.
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NFL wants fans to be unwaivering in their support, but first
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/01/report-nfl-may-require-fans-to-sign-a-covid-19-waiver/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/01/report-nfl-may-require-fans-to-sign-a-covid-19-waiver/)
Daniel Kaplan of TheAthletic.com reports that the league is considering a requirement that fans sign liability waivers protecting the league from lawsuits based on contracting COVID-19. The potential waiver “likely” will be forwarded to teams by the middle of next week.
Good enough for Trump's reelection committee, good enough for his friend Roger.
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a few weeks ago the Pats anounced season ticket refunds were available
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/06/19/patriots-covid-19-coronavirus-season-tickets-2020-season/ (https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/06/19/patriots-covid-19-coronavirus-season-tickets-2020-season/)
FOXBORO (AP) — The New England Patriots are offering season ticket holders at an elevated risk of COVID-19 infection the chance to skip the 2020 season entirely and still hold onto their seats for the next year.
From what i've heard anecdotally its avaialbe to all season ticket holders who request the refund.
It makes sense on a number of bases
1-Pats look sympathetic to the fans who may be out of work and cash strapped
2-Pats look realistic towards the impact of CV and social distance seating
3-If fans can self-select out of tickets for a year, the Pats don't have to send out (as many) letters to long-time season ticket holders telling them due to social distance seating, you're SOL-see you next year.
the NYFG offered a similar refund plan earlier this week
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https://sports.yahoo.com/new-england-patriots-fan-steals-27-new-york-giants-super-bowl-rings-2008-heist-033417903.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/new-england-patriots-fan-steals-27-new-york-giants-super-bowl-rings-2008-heist-033417903.html)
The New York Giants topped the New England Patriots 17-14 in Super Bowl XLII in 2008, marking the first of Eli Manning’s two Super Bowl wins in his career.
One Patriots fans apparently felt so robbed after that loss that he decided to take matters into his own hands.
According to Bloomberg’s Zeke Faux, career “cat burglar” Sean Murphy and an accomplice stole 27 of the Giants’ rings from a jewelry store simply because he didn’t think the Giants deserved them.
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One Patriots fans apparently felt so robbed after that loss that he decided to take matters into his own hands.
According to Bloomberg’s Zeke Faux, career “cat burglar” Sean Murphy and an accomplice stole 27 of the Giants’ rings from a jewelry store simply because he didn’t think the Giants deserved them.[/i]
I get why he stole them. (Stupid.)
I'm amused that he claims to still have some and plans to wear one.
But... why on earth is this in the news in 2020?!
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https://www.bloomberg.com/features/sean-murphy-super-bowl-rings-thief/?srnd=heist-issue (https://www.bloomberg.com/features/sean-murphy-super-bowl-rings-thief/?srnd=heist-issue)
The long-story makes for a fascinating read.
Its like a script pitch for a "The Town" type movie, the Affleck flick about Charlestown bank robbers who took on Fenway Park.
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One Patriots fans apparently felt so robbed after that loss that he decided to take matters into his own hands.
According to Bloomberg’s Zeke Faux, career “cat burglar” Sean Murphy and an accomplice stole 27 of the Giants’ rings from a jewelry store simply because he didn’t think the Giants deserved them.[/i]
I get why he stole them. (Stupid.)
I'm amused that he claims to still have some and plans to wear one.
But... why on earth is this in the news in 2020?!
Good question.
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Guesses on a new name for the Redskins?
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Guesses on a new name for the Redskins?
Maybe to honor both an important Washington institution, Congress, and an important corporate sponsor, which seems to be the real driver to this exercise,
how about the The Washington ConFeds?
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The DC Comics
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The DC Comics
And we could rename the Giants to be the Marvels.
Or at least the Antmen.
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Guesses on a new name for the Redskins?
The Washington Subpoenas. Because the fans should sue for what they've been forced to watch. The Washington Fillabusters. Because maybe they should be stopped from taking the field. The Washington Gridlock. Because team is going nowhere. The Washington Monuments. Because they play like there standing still and the team should be torn down.
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As a tip of the cap to Washington's legendary O-line, the Hogs", how about the Washington Pork Barrels?
or the Wahington Lobbyists?
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Maybe the best name is the Weathervanes. The team would always just fit in with the prevailing winds of change. After all, these days, you don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
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From CBS sports:
Redtails
This is the name that won a design contest several years ago, and honestly, I dig it. It's a nod to the planes flown by the Tuskegee Airmen, an all-Black squadron of fighter and bomber pilots who fought in World War II and were the first Black military aviators in the United States Armed Forces. Three of the first five admitted Airmen were from Washington, which gives the Redtails name a specific connection to the city. The team could easily keep the colors and the "R" logo, while also transitioning from a name with potential negative connotations to one with extremely positive connotations that honors the city, the armed services, and Black America.
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Redtails works on a lot of bases.
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Redtails works on a lot of bases.
Yeah, I like it.
One of my friends said it should be the Potomacs. Not a bad name, until you consider it is a "European spelling of an Algonquian name, variously claimed to mean "river of swans", "place where people trade" or "place to which tribute is brought". The natives called the river above the falls Cohongorooton, "river of geese", and that area was renowned in early years for an abundance of both geese and swans. The spelling of the name has been simplified over the years from Patawomeke to Patowmack in the 18th century and now Potomac. The river's name was officially determined as Potomac by the Board on Geographic Names in 1931."
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https://sports.theonion.com/washington-redskins-change-their-name-to-the-d-c-redsk-1819575691?fbclid=IwAR2wZJxzHVbWANNILdtVpEOicJCm5tJpp7NlbdStg1m_ab0MU2uc16UYy_M
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https://sports.theonion.com/washington-redskins-change-their-name-to-the-d-c-redsk-1819575691?fbclid=IwAR2wZJxzHVbWANNILdtVpEOicJCm5tJpp7NlbdStg1m_ab0MU2uc16UYy_M
LOL!!
On a more serious note, I like that Redtails name.
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https://sports.theonion.com/washington-redskins-change-their-name-to-the-d-c-redsk-1819575691?fbclid=IwAR2wZJxzHVbWANNILdtVpEOicJCm5tJpp7NlbdStg1m_ab0MU2uc16UYy_M
I'm half expecting Snyder to say,
"After engaging highly regarded consulting firms, marketing firms, and investment banks, and undertaking exhaustive studies including conducting hundreds of interviews with large corporations, local businesses, and hundreds of loyal and concerned season ticket holders, I've given the matter the serious and careful deliberation it deserves, and I have concluded that I really like the name and the logo, so fuck off.
Hail to the Redskins!
Hail Victory!
Braves on the Warpath!
Fight for old D.C.!
GO SKINS
Sincerely
Chief Dan Snyder
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/05/sports/minority-owners-want-sell-stakes-redskins/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/05/sports/minority-owners-want-sell-stakes-redskins/?event=event12)
The three minority owners of the Washington Redskins are attempting to sell their stakes in the National Football League franchise, people familiar with the deliberations told the Washington Post. According to one of those people, the owners — Robert Rothman, Dwight Schar and Frederick Smith — hired an investment banking firm to conduct the search for potential buyers, in large part because they are ‘‘not happy being a partner'' of majority owner Daniel Snyder."
If the 3 partners change their minds and rescind their decision to sell would they...
NM
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Chiefs reportrdly sign Mahomes to 10 year contract.
no details yet
10/450? more?
But the guaranteed dough can't be much more the 4 yrs $150-$160MM, right?
security for insecure times
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcVZuhxWAAMR9dj?format=jpg&name=medium)
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https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/antisemitism?src=hashtag_click (https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/antisemitism?src=hashtag_click)
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https://twitter.com/Edelman11/status/1281209187310149632?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/Edelman11/status/1281209187310149632?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Nice sermon by Rabbi Edelman on empathy, understanding, uncomfortable conversations and tasty burgers.
good job Jules
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCa321fgixi/ (https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCa321fgixi/)
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Redskin's no more
Name and logo to go to happy hunting ground
New name TBA.
Washington TBAs?
go figure.
I liked Redtails.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/sports/football/washington-redskins-new-name.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/sports/football/washington-redskins-new-name.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage)
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Redskin's no more
Name and logo to go to happy hunting ground
New name TBA.
Washington TBAs?
go figure.
I liked Redtails.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/sports/football/washington-redskins-new-name.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/sports/football/washington-redskins-new-name.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage)
Swamp Things
Think of the merch!
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According to those who follow socisl media-RedWolves is gaining traction.
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I read that the name.was already chosen, but there were.rights issues being resolved.
I am hoping for the Washington Generals.
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In that vein, I posted here or elsewhere (I don't remember) that the trouble with the "Generals" is that was the name of Trump's USFL team, and fuck that guy.
However IMO the Washington Red Klottz would work in many ways.
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In that vein, I posted here or elsewhere (I don't remember) that the trouble with the "Generals" is that was the name of Trump's USFL team, and fuck that guy.
However IMO the Washington Red Klottz would work in many ways.
I was going for "Incompetent at Sports Since 1952"!
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it would make for a great PR marketing logo
you should trade-mark it.
but you gotta be quick, apparently thats a new cottage industry in DC, beating Snyder to the TM office.
I remeneber cracking up as a kid when my dad told me about the DC baseball team and the saying, "1st in war, 1st in peace and last in the American league"
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There probably won't be any football at all anyways. So they
ve got another year to come up with their snappy name.
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There probably won't be any football at all anyways. So they
ve got another year to come up with their snappy name.
The Washington Unrepresenteds
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Rumors of a "Redskin" FO sex/sexual harassment and worse scandal have been bubbling for about a week-supposedly its going to go public today or Friday. Some speculate the nature of the scandal could lead to a forced sale of the team.
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Washington Foreskins?
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29474652/sources-washington-team-hires-attorney-review-protocols (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29474652/sources-washington-team-hires-attorney-review-protocols)
Washington's NFL team has hired D.C. attorney Beth Wilkinson of Wilkinson Walsh LLP to review the organization's protocols, including its culture, policies and allegations of workplace misconduct, Wilkinson confirmed in a statement on Thursday.
Wilkinson has represented the NFL in a lawsuit challenging the league's Sunday Ticket Package and has also successfully represented the NCAA and Major League Baseball in class-action suits.
While Wilkinson is expected to conduct a deep dive into the organization's past culture, team officials are highly upset and frustrated about ongoing online speculation, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.
Sources told Schefter that The Washington Post is preparing a story about the team that is expected to highlight the culture that existed and some of the problems that were created.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/07/16/redskins-sexual-harassment-larry-michael-alex-santos/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/07/16/redskins-sexual-harassment-larry-michael-alex-santos/)
The Washington Weinsteins.
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If some of rumors I heard the lsdty few days are true
Washingtom Epsteins
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Heh
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The WAPO story via the Globe
sexual harrassment and verbal abuse
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/16/sports/15-women-accuse-former-washington-redskins-employees-sexual-harassment-verbal-abuse/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/16/sports/15-women-accuse-former-washington-redskins-employees-sexual-harassment-verbal-abuse/?event=event12)
Applegate is one of 15 former female Redskins employees who told The Washington Post they were sexually harassed during their time at the club. The other 14 women spoke on the condition of anonymity citing a fear of litigation, as some signed nondisclosure agreements with the team that threaten legal retribution if they speak negatively about the club. The team declined a request from The Post to release former female employees from these agreements so they could speak on the record without fear of legal reprisal. This story involved interviews with more than 40 current and former employees and a review of text messages and internal company documents.
Team owner Daniel Snyder declined several requests for an interview. Over the past week, as The Post presented detailed allegations and findings to the club, three team employees accused of improper behavior abruptly departed, including Larry Michael, the club's longtime radio voice, and Alex Santos, the team's director of pro personnel.
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The WAPO story via the Globe
sexual harrassment and verbal abuse
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/16/sports/15-women-accuse-former-washington-redskins-employees-sexual-harassment-verbal-abuse/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/16/sports/15-women-accuse-former-washington-redskins-employees-sexual-harassment-verbal-abuse/?event=event12)
Applegate is one of 15 former female Redskins employees who told The Washington Post they were sexually harassed during their time at the club. The other 14 women spoke on the condition of anonymity citing a fear of litigation, as some signed nondisclosure agreements with the team that threaten legal retribution if they speak negatively about the club. The team declined a request from The Post to release former female employees from these agreements so they could speak on the record without fear of legal reprisal. This story involved interviews with more than 40 current and former employees and a review of text messages and internal company documents.
Team owner Daniel Snyder declined several requests for an interview. Over the past week, as The Post presented detailed allegations and findings to the club, three team employees accused of improper behavior abruptly departed, including Larry Michael, the club's longtime radio voice, and Alex Santos, the team's director of pro personnel.
Sure explains why any name ending in "tail" is not going to... fly.
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The WAPO story via the Globe
sexual harrassment and verbal abuse
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/16/sports/15-women-accuse-former-washington-redskins-employees-sexual-harassment-verbal-abuse/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/16/sports/15-women-accuse-former-washington-redskins-employees-sexual-harassment-verbal-abuse/?event=event12)
Applegate is one of 15 former female Redskins employees who told The Washington Post they were sexually harassed during their time at the club. The other 14 women spoke on the condition of anonymity citing a fear of litigation, as some signed nondisclosure agreements with the team that threaten legal retribution if they speak negatively about the club. The team declined a request from The Post to release former female employees from these agreements so they could speak on the record without fear of legal reprisal. This story involved interviews with more than 40 current and former employees and a review of text messages and internal company documents.
Team owner Daniel Snyder declined several requests for an interview. Over the past week, as The Post presented detailed allegations and findings to the club, three team employees accused of improper behavior abruptly departed, including Larry Michael, the club's longtime radio voice, and Alex Santos, the team's director of pro personnel.
Sure explains why any name ending in "tail" is not going to... fly.
Thats funny-earlier today I posted this TIC comment at SoSH
I heard "Redtails" is out
and Piece of tail is gaining traction
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Sad Tale is what it is.
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Washington Football Team gets the nod until a more permanent name evolves.
WFT
as someone else noted, "thats pretty close to what DC fans have been saying for years"
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Washington Football Team gets the nod until a more permanent name evolves.
WFT
as someone else noted, "thats pretty close to what DC fans have been saying for years"
True. Except "Football" has been in quotes. It will again be this year. If there is a this year.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2905914-some-nfl-teams-canceling-activities-after-irregularities-in-covid-19-results
Oops.
But it looks like a ton of false positives.
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Run off in the poll!
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(bad link corrected below)
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https://apnews.com/861957b3727a6bd444627454981332ca
Athlete power: ‘Shut up and play’ is tossed from the game
Good general summary of player activism and its potential.
Wrong link, I think.
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Here's the correct link...
https://apnews.com/9d367066ad8d24f6eb38a5bf402ef4ec
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Here's the correct link...
https://apnews.com/9d367066ad8d24f6eb38a5bf402ef4ec
It has certainly been a wild ride for them in the brief number of years since kneeling was a big deal.
I thought Ward's response to Goodell's apology ("What for?"), while idiotic, might be indicative of just what a difference the apology might not be. But to see the NFL follow that up with an announcement that they will be putting social justice messages in their endzones for games suggests that whether the owners buy into the messages, they have bought into the message that their players will rebel if the teams do not move forward.
So, the teams are acting.
And they are not alone.
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Season kicks off tomorrow with Chiefs starting their title defense against the Texans at Arrowhead
chiefs -9
ou 54.5
about 16,000 fans will be allowed in to watch the Chiefs win and beat the spread
WAG
Chiefs 38-24
bigger question will fans beat the spread?
2nd biggest question, who knew that OBJ was a #2 receiver?
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2nd biggest question, who knew that OBJ was a #2 receiver?
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KaleidoscopicAssuredAdmiralbutterfly-size_restricted.gif)
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Season kicks off tomorrow with Chiefs starting their title defense against the Texans at Arrowhead
chiefs -9
ou 54.5
about 16,000 fans will be allowed in to watch the Chiefs win and beat the spread
WAG
Chiefs 38-24
bigger question will fans beat the spread?
2nd biggest question, who knew that OBJ was a #2 receiver?
Will the spread beat the fans?
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https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
Going with consensus Vegas line this year -
Tonight -
KC -9.5 vs Houston
O/U is 53.5
KC 37 HOU 21
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Full slate if you want to play along:
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
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Chefs
Bills
Vikings
Eagles
Browns
Colts
Raiders
Lions
Seahawks
Patriots
Chargers
Nines
Saints
Rams
Saints
Steelers
Titans
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You are brave to take me on, sir.
Best of luck to you.
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HEH
fwiw in close to 24 years of posting at the NYT and here, and personally playing in several pick 'em contests with kid, he has never won a competetion I was involved in.
Never.
And that's probably 25+ competitions
Boz-are you picking winners or against the spread
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Not sure about that. Wasn't there some sort of "biggest egomaniac" competition a few years ago? I also remember some sort of "biggest dolt" competition.
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HEH
right you are yank, I stand corrected.
And upon further reflection kid has won Elba's village idiot award for so long, there was a serious consideration to call it the "Carter Kup"
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I feel like I'm going into this season totally blind re the NFL and the Pats.
No idea what to expect from the Pats, but my expecations are low, with a new QB and very few skill players on offense.
D was great last year, but between FA and opt outs for covid, I don't know about them either.
The secondary should be pretty good.
They're being sold as a ground and pound team
I got my doubts and I think they've a tough schedule.
And I will be adopting an NFC to follow.
I'm all in on Tommy's Bucs.
as I think the Pats will blow, I feel no guilt sharing my loyalties.
if the Pats can't win it all-I hope TB12 and Gronk can.
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You are brave to take me on, sir.
Best of luck to you.
Iwould have to care about the result to be brave.
Three teams I think will not be as good as people think: Baltimore, Arizona and Buffalo. Baltimore and Buffalo have the defenses to win but I think in the end no quarterback is ever great without being really good at the prime job of being a quarterback.
I think KC wins it all. I also think both the Giants and the Browns will be better than they are being picked to be.
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Browns 8.5
Giants 6.5
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if the Pats can't win it all-I hope TB12 and Gronk can.
yayyyyyy
(pompom)
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I feel like I'm going into this season totally blind re the NFL and the Pats.
heh
Pretty much just a referendum on Newton
I think Pats will still be a bitch to contend with
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if the Pats can't win it all-I hope TB12 and Gronk can.
yayyyyyy
(pompom)
Brady gave me a shit ton of fun and excitement for close to 20 years, I'm a huge fan of his and wish him nothing but success in TB.
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I feel like I'm going into this season totally blind re the NFL and the Pats.
heh
Pretty much just a referendum on Newton
I think Pats will still be a bitch to contend with
Not a referendum on Newton, but my concerns about
a new QB learning a new system
a new QB with no pre-season to speak of
a team which is woefully short of talented WRs
so I have concerns about the offense
The D should be ok but they are missing a lot of talent from last year (mostly LBs)
the AFC-E is probably a year away from being decent, the Bills might be the best team in the AFC-E
Any reasons why a team you are wholly unfamiliar with are going to be a bitch to contend with?
I see them at best as a 8-9 win team
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I like Newton -
also like Edelman in a starring role.
Defense loses some studs. Like you said - East no beast.
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Edelman is 34 and already banged up and was in a starring role with a guy who knew his moves better than Jules did.
I like Newton too and hope he returns to form, but I suspect the learning curve could be steep for him.
The team sounds like its modeled after the 60s Packers strong D and good running game.
sounds like an offense geared to score 17-20 points, so D better be good,
8-8
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I'll take the over (8.5).
Much more concerned about the defense.
Edelman was a cog for Brady, not a star.
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I'll take the over (8.5).
Much more concerned about the defense.
Edelman was a cog for Brady, not a star.
The win total was 8.5 before Newton signed, the Pats real win total as 9- 9.5
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals)
I got them as 8-9 win team
Hightower, Van Noy, Collins and Chung are big losses on D and that's supposed to be the strength of the 2020 Pats
the young LBs Bently Winovich, Roberts are going to have to step it up
Re Edelman: so you think an aging and banged up Edelman will finally emerge from being a JAG, to a star, under a new QB still learning the system.
Jules if he stays healthy may be the best WR on the Pats, which is the problem, he'll be the guy that draw doubles.
I love Jules, he's a great competitor, and a pretty good football player, but he may get killed as Newton's safety valve.
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At just 8.5 with solid juice, the Patriots should win this NFL betting pick. Some totals are set at 9 with much less juice. Getting to double digit wins will be extremely tough and I lack confidence to take the over on that total. They will hover around .500 for the majority of the season. I like the over on 8.5, but anything more and I would take a pass. Something to remember is the Patriots have not hit an under since 2009. Yes, they have either pushed or hit the over for the last decade. At 8.5 wins, I like the NFL odds and I look for that trend to continue
2 days ago
https://www.awesemo.com/odds/nfl-futures-bets-nfl-odds-2020-new-england-patriots-over-under-win-total-8-5-nfl-picks/
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I got them as 8-9 win team
lol
you said 8-8
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At just 8.5 with solid juice, the Patriots should win this NFL betting pick. Some totals are set at 9 with much less juice. Getting to double digit wins will be extremely tough and I lack confidence to take the over on that total. They will hover around .500 for the majority of the season. I like the over on 8.5, but anything more and I would take a pass. Something to remember is the Patriots have not hit an under since 2009. Yes, they have either pushed or hit the over for the last decade. At 8.5 wins, I like the NFL odds and I look for that trend to continue
2 days ago
https://www.awesemo.com/odds/nfl-futures-bets-nfl-odds-2020-new-england-patriots-over-under-win-total-8-5-nfl-picks/
kid 8.5 was that blogger's Pat's win prediction.
not the betting #.
the # went from 8.5 to 9-9,5 after Newton signed.
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you said 8-8
I feel like I'm going into this season totally blind re the NFL and the Pats.
heh
Pretty much just a referendum on Newton
I think Pats will still be a bitch to contend with
Not a referendum on Newton, but my concerns about
a new QB learning a new system
a new QB with no pre-season to speak of
a team which is woefully short of talented WRs
so I have concerns about the offense
The D should be ok but they are missing a lot of talent from last year (mostly LBs)
the AFC-E is probably a year away from being decent, the Bills might be the best team in the AFC-E
Any reasons why a team you are wholly unfamiliar with are going to be a bitch to contend with?
I see them at best as a 8-9 win team
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At just 8.5 with solid juice, the Patriots should win this NFL betting pick. Some totals are set at 9 with much less juice. Getting to double digit wins will be extremely tough and I lack confidence to take the over on that total. They will hover around .500 for the majority of the season. I like the over on 8.5, but anything more and I would take a pass. Something to remember is the Patriots have not hit an under since 2009. Yes, they have either pushed or hit the over for the last decade. At 8.5 wins, I like the NFL odds and I look for that trend to continue
2 days ago
https://www.awesemo.com/odds/nfl-futures-bets-nfl-odds-2020-new-england-patriots-over-under-win-total-8-5-nfl-picks/
kid 8.5 was that blogger's Pat's win prediction.
not the betting #.
the # went from 8.5 to 9-9,5 after Newton signed.
Yes
He picked them to win a half game along the way
heh
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https://www.bettingpros.com/nfl/futures-odds/over-under-wins/
Some 9s mixed in with the 8.5s
Laying 150 to win 100 on the over 8.5
OVER is the bet
At 9 I'd still make the over bet
Gonna see if I can find 8.5 somewhere - and place an actual bet - make this interesting.
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At just 8.5 with solid juice, the Patriots should win this NFL betting pick. Some totals are set at 9 with much less juice. Getting to double digit wins will be extremely tough and I lack confidence to take the over on that total. They will hover around .500 for the majority of the season. I like the over on 8.5, but anything more and I would take a pass. Something to remember is the Patriots have not hit an under since 2009. Yes, they have either pushed or hit the over for the last decade. At 8.5 wins, I like the NFL odds and I look for that trend to continue
2 days ago
https://www.awesemo.com/odds/nfl-futures-bets-nfl-odds-2020-new-england-patriots-over-under-win-total-8-5-nfl-picks/
kid 8.5 was that blogger's Pat's win prediction.
not the betting #.
the # went from 8.5 to 9-9,5 after Newton signed.
Yes
He picked them to win a half game along the way
heh
heh
you're only fooling yourself and exposing yourself as a disingenuous idiot
the betting # is 9-9.5 at -110
but if you want to bet 8.5 over at -150or -160, you can.
you can probably get the over of 7.5 at -180 or whatever
JFC
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https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/sports/navigation/6227.1/11147.3
Click on NFL, futures, then win totals
They have some alterrnate prices if you scroll own - for instance +750 for over 11.5 Patriot wins
Over 8.5 you have to lay 150 for 100
Summing up -
Bank is a no play on under 8.5 and would play the under 9
I would play the over on both 8.5 and 9.
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https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/sports/navigation/6227.1/11147.3
Click on NFL, futures, then win totals
They have some alterrnate prices if you scroll own - for instance +750 for over 11.5 Patriot wins
Over 8.5 you have to lay 150 for 100
Summing up -
Bank is a no play on under 8.5 and would play the under 9
I would play the over on both 8.5 and 9.
Summing up Bank has the Pats as a 8-9 win team.
They are unlikely to win 8.5
Summing up kid tried to pass off a bet that every bettor in the world would have to risk 150 to win 100, (ie over 8.5) as a normal -110 bet, until he got called on his bullshit.
SSDD
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Get those shots and snide remarks in
It's what you do.
Shopping around gives a better rate on the 8.5. I just used the site I am familiar with.
Think I get the winning end of this one. 66 bucks on the hundy bet. And a nice payoff if Pats win 10+
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Get those shots and snide remarks in
It's what you do.
Shopping around gives a better rate on the 8.5. I just used the site I am familiar with.
Think I get the winning end of this one. 66 bucks on the hundy bet. And a nice payoff if Pats win 10+
kid I don't care about what you bet or pretend to bet.
You tried to bullshit me about the Pats ou and i called you out on it.
And now you confess that the bet you said you liked carries a large premium to what you initially conveyed was a -110 at the market bet.
You got caught in another lie,
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Get those shots and snide remarks in
It's what you do.
Shopping around gives a better rate on the 8.5. I just used the site I am familiar with.
Think I get the winning end of this one. 66 bucks on the hundy bet. And a nice payoff if Pats win 10+
kid I don't care about what you bet or pretend to bet.
You tried to bullshit me about the Pats ou and i called you out on it.
And now you confess that the bet you said you liked carries a large premium to what you initially conveyed was a -110 at the market bet.
You got caught in another lie,
But just like Trump, he doesn't care that he is caught in lies.
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Get those shots and snide remarks in
It's what you do.
Shopping around gives a better rate on the 8.5. I just used the site I am familiar with.
Think I get the winning end of this one. 66 bucks on the hundy bet. And a nice payoff if Pats win 10+
kid I don't care about what you bet or pretend to bet.
You tried to bullshit me about the Pats ou and i called you out on it.
And now you confess that the bet you said you liked carries a large premium to what you initially conveyed was a -110 at the market bet.
You got caught in another lie,
But just like Trump, he doesn't care that he is caught in lies.
that's true.
kid can't admit he's wrong-about anything.
He'll just change the subject and move on to the next thing to be wrong about.
Fortunately kid's bullshit is just his ongoing immaturity and has no real consequences.
Trump's lies kills people,
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You tried to bullshit me about the Pats ou and i called you out on it.
Al I said was the number was 8.5, which is what I recalled it to be. Turns out it is somewhere between 8.5 and 9 .
Your need to prove another wrong is comical - and no doubt has crept into your private/famly life.
The exact number - and subsequent thought process on it - is at issue. You are afraid to go under on the 8.5 after calling Pats going 8-8. We call that no balls.
Castrated Bank - rock on.
Sad.
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You tried to bullshit me about the Pats ou and i called you out on it.
Al I said was the number was 8.5, which is what I recalled it to be. Turns out it is somewhere between 8.5 and 9 .
Your need to prove another wrong is comical - and no doubt has crept into your private/famly life.
The exact number - and subsequent thought process on it - is at issue. You are afraid to go under on the 8.5 after calling Pats going 8-8. We call that no balls.
Castrated Bank - rock on.
Sad.
what's sad you moron is your inability to admit you were wrong.
when you said the # was 8.5, I told you it opened at 8.5 but when Newton signed with the Pats about 6 weeks ago the # moved to 9-9.5
and posted a widely accepted source
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals) to show you the current #s at the market (-110).
You then doubled down, or tripled down posting a blogger's post about liking the Pats over 8.5
and again it was pointed out that the market was 9- 9.5 but you could buy down the line and pay a premium (in this case -150 instead of -110) for a lower #.
You simply could have said you were mistaken, but you are so insecure and stupid, you can't do it.
You needed to try and prove how astute a gambler you are, which is hilarious and pathetic at the same time.
kid you are the definition of a sucker, a mark, and dumb money
Now behave yourself and maybe I'll give you back your balls.
You'll just lose them anyway.
HEH
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when you said the # was 8.5, I told you it opened at 8.5 but when Newton signed with the Pats about 6 weeks ago the # moved to 9-9.5
`Had you just said 9...
But nope -
Sorry, slapdick.
See what odds you can get on under 9.
I will let you know if I see a good price. Wouldnt want you to miss out, you being so sure and all.
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`Had you just said 9...
That's exactly what I did said to you moron
I told you about the line move and posted the link to vegasline
the post is below,
You then tried to bullshit away from your mistake
Thanks for proving my point moron
and as posted, I have sources for #s and forunately the common sense to let the morons like you to fill the pool before I jump in.
HEH
I'll take the over (8.5).
Much more concerned about the defense.
Edelman was a cog for Brady, not a star.
The win total was 8.5 before Newton signed, the Pats real win total as 9- 9.5
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals)
I got them as 8-9 win team
Hightower, Van Noy, Collins and Chung are big losses on D and that's supposed to be the strength of the 2020 Pats
the young LBs Bently Winovich, Roberts are going to have to step it up
Re Edelman: so you think an aging and banged up Edelman will finally emerge from being a JAG, to a star, under a new QB still learning the system.
Jules if he stays healthy may be the best WR on the Pats, which is the problem, he'll be the guy that draw doubles.
I love Jules, he's a great competitor, and a pretty good football player, but he may get killed as Newton's safety valve.
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https://mybookie.ag/sportsbook/nfl/new-england-patriots/
Patriots 2020
Over 9 wins +120
Under 9 wins -150
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Gee its funny kid, with all your online sources its surprising you didn't know the Pats OU moved from 8.5 to 9 -9.5. 6 weeks ago, until I told you earlier today.
Yet despite your obvious gap in knowledge about the team you felt a need to pay a premium on the over.
a fool and their money...
heh
good luck kid,
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Whisk and I have a nice friendly pool going - we will give you last night's KC cover so that we are all even.
None of us really follow the league religiously, so on even ground.
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I had KC winning by 14 and covering last night.
Thanks for the invite but 'll pass on your pool.
I'll stick to trying to find a few games I like,
good luck with your picks
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I had KC winning by 14 and covering last night.
Thanks for the invite but 'll pass on your pool.
I'll stick to trying to find a few games I like,
good luck with your picks
"May the odds be ever in your favor."
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I had KC winning by 14 and covering last night.
Attaboy.
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Working an Edelman trade - to add some spice to the debate
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kid-I had the first prediction up on that game
I told you to play nice and I might give you your balls back
Season kicks off tomorrow with Chiefs starting their title defense against the Texans at Arrowhead
chiefs -9
ou 54.5
about 16,000 fans will be allowed in to watch the Chiefs win and beat the spread
WAG
Chiefs 38-24
bigger question will fans beat the spread?
2nd biggest question, who knew that OBJ was a #2 receiver?
and kid the reason I have no interest playing in any unmoderated pick'em game with you, and I've told you this before, is you lack honesty and integrity and you can not be trusted where honesty and playing by rules, written and those understood are required.
Now you may resume fucking yourself
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Banks - just cannot handle peace in the forum.
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WHISK
Just realized we have to go with OPENING LINE - since we will be picking at different times - and the consensus changes
Review, so you can make changes if you wish
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
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Banks - just cannot handle peace in the forum.
Kid can't handle the truth about his behavior.
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WHISK
Just realized we have to go with OPENING LINE - since we will be picking at different times - and the consensus changes
Review, so you can make changes if you wish
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
boz- there should be no problem while as it seems kid who is suddenly a stickler for rules, is fond of posting at different times than others do in pick'em games. And while most people understand you get your picks in before the game starts, kid as I recall liked picking games at the half.
Kid didn't like being reminded that that was not a generally accepted pick'em principle.
He was very cranky in his attacking me for enforcing those universally understood principle.
kids-what are you gonna do, spare the rules, and you got an unruly asshole on your hands.
So you should probably feel free to get your picks in 3rd or 4th quarter, whenever its convenient, kid shouldn't have an issue with that.
Good luck and watch your wallet
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WHISK
Just realized we have to go with OPENING LINE - since we will be picking at different times - and the consensus changes
Review, so you can make changes if you wish
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
To borrow from Little Big Man, your updated betting line is not worth the reversal of a whiskeypriest decision.
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WHISK
Just realized we have to go with OPENING LINE - since we will be picking at different times - and the consensus changes
Review, so you can make changes if you wish
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
boz- there should be no problem while as it seems kid who is suddenly a stickler for rules, is fond of posting at different times than others do in pick'em games. And while most people understand you get your picks in before the game starts, kid as I recall liked picking games at the half.
Kid didn't like being reminded that that was not a generally accepted pick'em principle.
He was very cranky in his attacking me for enforcing those universally understood principle.
kids-what are you gonna do, spare the rules, and you got an unruly asshole on your hands.
So you should probably feel free to get your picks in 3rd or 4th quarter, whenever its convenient, kid shouldn't have an issue with that.
Good luck and watch your wallet
I don't pick on point spreads, but will let them stand for that. I also only bet where my knowledge and skill can aid me against the house, like with slots.
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Roulette for me!
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Chefs
Bills
Vikings
Eagles
Browns
Colts
Raiders
Lions
Seahawks
Patriots
Chargers
Nines
Saints
Rams
Saints
Steelers
Titans
Chefs?
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WHISK
Just realized we have to go with OPENING LINE - since we will be picking at different times - and the consensus changes
Review, so you can make changes if you wish
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
boz- there should be no problem while as it seems kid who is suddenly a stickler for rules, is fond of posting at different times than others do in pick'em games. And while most people understand you get your picks in before the game starts, kid as I recall liked picking games at the half.
Kid didn't like being reminded that that was not a generally accepted pick'em principle.
He was very cranky in his attacking me for enforcing those universally understood principle.
kids-what are you gonna do, spare the rules, and you got an unruly asshole on your hands.
So you should probably feel free to get your picks in 3rd or 4th quarter, whenever its convenient, kid shouldn't have an issue with that.
Good luck and watch your wallet
I don't pick on point spreads, but will let them stand for that. I also only bet where my knowledge and skill can aid me against the house, like with slots.
I never got into slots, I once played a quarter machine feeding it Susan B Anthonys-was a long night.
My game is "Go-Fish"
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I generally only make personal bets when I can influence the outcome directly. Poker comes to mind.
In the late 70's, I did pay my spring semester of college tuition for my junior year with money I earned shooting pool in bars that fall.
Then again, that wasn't really gambling. It was perhaps a form of larceny.
Betting on football is rather lame. It impairs one's perspective of the game, as one is so consumed by the bet that one often fails to observe what is truly happening in the game.
I don't bet on too many individual stocks in the market, either, preferring to bet on the market as a whole, or segments of the market only.
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NFL 2020 Week 1
New England -7 vs Miami 41.5 24-20
Baltimore -7.5 Cleveland 47.5 27-17
Buffalo -6.5 NY Jets 39.5 24-14
Las Vegas -3 at Carolina 48 26-21
Seattle -1.5 at Atlanta 49 21-24
Philadelphia -5.5 at Washington 42 24-14
Detroit -2.5 vs Chicago 42.5 20-17
Indianapolis -8 at Jacksonville 45 27-17
Minnesota -2.5 vs Green Bay 44.5 21-24
LA Chargers -3 at Cincinnati 41.5 21-24
San Francisco -7 vs Arizona 48 34-20
New Orleans -3.5 vs Tampa Bay 47.5 24-21
Dallas -2.5 at LA Rams 51.5 28-24
Pittsburgh -6 vs NY Giants 46 27-17
Tennessee -3 at Denver 41 21-17
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I'm planning to sit out the first couple of weeks and gather some info and a sense of WTF is going on.
as posted earlier I feel wholly uninformed (insert joke here) on such matters to put money on the line
so I'm treating the first couple of weeks as my pre-season
although I am in a KO pool
KO pool week-1 Indy
betting on football is just another form of risk assessment and analysis
not unlike looking at the risk-rewards of investing in a specific stock, except investing in stocks and beating the market, is far more complicated and much harder.
gentlemen-good luck in your endeavors
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I will play along with your KO, Bank
Week 1 - Baltimore
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3-team parlay this week would be
Philadelphia*, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh
* best bet
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I will play along with your KO, Bank
Week 1 - Baltimore
I usually last a week in these. Buffalo.
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Another tough season for NYC teams. Jets look hopeless so far against Bills. A dolphin reject as head coach?
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I'm planning to sit out the first couple of weeks and gather some info and a sense of WTF is going on.
as posted earlier I feel wholly uninformed (insert joke here) on such matters to put money on the line
so I'm treating the first couple of weeks as my pre-season
although I am in a KO pool
KO pool week-1 Indy
gentlemen-good luck in your endeavors
Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!
Earliest KO I've suffered. I usually get Ko'ed in rounds 6-8, should have gone with choice #2 Bills.
$20 gone but not forgotten
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Saw the 2nd half of the Pats-Fish game.
costly goal line tunover, but ground and pound seemed to work at least against the Flounders.
and D seemed Decent against Fitzy.
Next week is a tougher test-Seattle and Russell
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Looking forward to Brady-Brees
GOBUCS!
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Looking forward to Brady-Brees
GOBUCS!
Brady rushes for TD, just like Newton did!
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Looking forward to Brady-Brees
GOBUCS!
Brady rushes for TD, just like Newton did!
1 yd QB sneak-I wonder if New Orleans was surprised.
BUC 'em up Tommy!
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Washington D was fearsome vs PHI in the 2nd half.
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Fox cuts to commercial with Toot's "Pressure Drop"
RIP Toots
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not the first tourist pick pocketed on Bourbon st
ouch
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Tom is not having as much fun as Cam had.
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but at least Tom and Gronk had lots of laughs prepping for this game.
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I thought it was a sloppy game-Tampa gonna tampa, Brady or no Brady, but I'd give TB12 a few more games to work out the wrinkles, before I write his obit.
I thought that gadget play by NO and then the TO on 4th and 1 when they could have run out the clock or taken a knee, but instead went for a FU TD was an interesting way for that game to end.
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I thought it was a sloppy game-Tampa gonna tampa, Brady or no Brady, but I'd give TB12 a few more games to work out the wrinkles, before I write his obit.
I thought that gadget play by NO and then the TO on 4th and 1 when they could have run out the clock or taken a knee, but instead went for a FU TD was an interesting way for that game to end.
In a league in which comparative points scored continues to be a tie breaker for some things, you will continue to get plays like that, I guess.
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I thought it was a sloppy game-Tampa gonna tampa, Brady or no Brady, but I'd give TB12 a few more games to work out the wrinkles, before I write his obit.
I thought that gadget play by NO and then the TO on 4th and 1 when they could have run out the clock or taken a knee, but instead went for a FU TD was an interesting way for that game to end.
In a league in which comparative points scored continues to be a tie breaker for some things, you will continue to get plays like that, I guess.
We've seen the Pats take a lot of knees at the goal line with 2 minutes or less to go in games that were already won, rather than run an unecessary run up the score play, Players get hurt that way.
I thought it a bush move by Sean Payton.
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Looks like BB knows what he's doing.
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Looks like BB knows what he's doing.
I suspect that if TB had been facing the Dolphins, Brady would have had a win.
And if the Patriots had been facing the Saints, that would have been less assuredly a win.
The latter doesn't mean that BB doesn't know what he's doing, just that I don't think either or even both first games illustrate your point.
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So Newton can't beat the Saints.
OK - got it.
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So Newton can't beat the Saints.
OK - got it.
attaboy
kid's always working on his hot takz!
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So Newton can't beat the Saints.
OK - got it.
So exactly what I said!
If you don't want people to curse you out, stop making stupid posts like that.
Or, as you put it, "so, you don't want peace on the forum."
OK - got it.
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According to web data, about 30% of KO pools got wiped out by Indy and Philly losses yesterday.
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6-8-1 start
Ridiculous (spread) losses for Carolina and Detroit
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6-8-1 start
Ridiculous (spread) losses for Carolina and Detroit
there were 16 games
quick check has you at 6-9-1
and let's not forget your lost parlay
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Yeah - typo
-$490
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Looks like BB knows what he's doing.
I suspect that if TB had been facing the Dolphins, Brady would have had a win.
And if the Patriots had been facing the Saints, that would have been less assuredly a win.
The latter doesn't mean that BB doesn't know what he's doing, just that I don't think either or even both first games illustrate your point.
Bruce Arians disagrees. Brady is done.
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I'd give Brady more than 1-game, and a game against a team that many feel has a pretty good chance to get to the SuperBowl before concluding he's done.
And Tampa showed it was a poorly prepared and a poorly disciplined team, independent of Brady,
And Arians backtracked on his bus driving.
I think BB concluded he didn't want to give Brady more than a 1 year extension to Brady, not that he was done.
I didn't disagree with BB.
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Bengals visit Cleveland tonight, in this year's first Battle for football Supremacy in Ohio
At least until they kick-off in Columbus on Oct 24th
Browns -6 ou 44.5
I hope to watch the 2nd half in a good mood.
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Cleveland -6 Bengals 43.5 24-21
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Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog Total
Thurs. 9/17 8:20 PM Cleveland -6 Bengals 43.5
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Philly -2 Rams 46
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TB -9 Panthers 49
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Pitt -7.5 Broncos 43.5
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Dallas -5 Falcons 52.5
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM 49ers -7 NYJ 42.5
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Bills -5.5 Miami 41.5
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Indy -3 Vikes 48
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM GB -6 Lions 47.5
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Chicago -5 Giants 43
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TN -9 Jags 42.5
Sun. 9/20 4:05 PM AZ -7 Wash. Team 46.5
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Ravens -7 Houston 51.5
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Chiefs -8.5 LAC 49
Sun. 9/20 8:20 PM Seattle -3.5 Pats 45
Mon. 9/21 8:15 PM Saints -6.5 LV 51.5
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Cleveland
Rams
TB
Pitt
Dallas
49ers
Bills
Vikes
Lions
Giants 43
TN
AZ
Houston
Chiefs
Seattle
Saints
49ers as my knockout.
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Knockout -
Going with Brady this week
1 - Baltimore
2 - Tampa Bay
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AFC North - the Fun Division
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Our defensive back 7 sucks balls, but we may have the best set of running backs in the NFL.
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Credit Burrow alone for the backdoor cover. He is must see TV moving on.
Browns are interesting.
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Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog Total
Thurs. 9/17 8:20 PM Cleveland -6 Bengals 43.5 24-21
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Philly -2 Rams 46 27-23
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TB -9 Panthers 49 31-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Pitt -7.5 Broncos 43.5 23-13
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Dallas -5 Falcons 52.5 31-27
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM 49ers -7 NYJ 42.5 24-16
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Bills -5.5 Miami 41.5 26-19
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Indy -3 Vikes 48 21-24
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM GB -6 Lions 47.5 27-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Chicago -5 Giants 43 24-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TN -9 Jags 42.5 26-19
Sun. 9/20 4:05 PM AZ -7 Wash. Team 46.5
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Ravens -7 Houston 51.5
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Chiefs -8.5 LAC 49
Sun. 9/20 8:20 PM Seattle -3.5 Pats 45
Mon. 9/21 8:15 PM Saints -6.5 LV 51.5
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Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog Total
Thurs. 9/17 8:20 PM Cleveland -6 Bengals 43.5 24-21
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Philly -2 Rams 46 27-23
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TB -9 Panthers 49 31-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Pitt -7.5 Broncos 43.5 23-13
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Dallas -5 Falcons 52.5 31-27
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM 49ers -7 NYJ 42.5 24-16
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Bills -5.5 Miami 41.5 26-19
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Indy -3 Vikes 48 21-24
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM GB -6 Lions 47.5 27-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Chicago -5 Giants 43 24-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TN -9 Jags 42.5 26-19
Sun. 9/20 4:05 PM AZ -7 Wash. Team 46.5. 24-21
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Ravens -7 Houston 51.5. 28-24
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Chiefs -8.5 LAC 49. 31-20
Sun. 9/20 8:20 PM Seattle -3.5 Pats 45. 21-17
Mon. 9/21 8:15 PM Saints -6.5 LV 51.5. 34-21
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Today's parlay
Tampa, Green Bay, Seattle
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Atlanta... just handed that game away.
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TAKEN AWAY
Incredible onsides kick by Zuerlein
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sucks about Saquon
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sucks about Saquon
Giants were very predictable running Saquon into a wall.
I feel bad for Saquon himself but the Giants team played much better in the 2nd half.
Offense put together some long drives and Defense shut out the Bears.
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that was a helluva game
Cam almost pulled it off.
shoulda had Marshawn run it.
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that was a helluva game
Cam almost pulled it off.
shoulda had Marshawn run it.
If we had a kicker, we would have won that game.
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that was a helluva game
Cam almost pulled it off.
shoulda had Marshawn run it.
If we had a kicker, we would have won that game.
maybe
or if the D had not allowed RW to tear them up for 35 points
the guy is fun to watch
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sucks about Saquon
Giants were very predictable running Saquon into a wall.
I feel bad for Saquon himself but the Giants team played much better in the 2nd half.
Offense put together some long drives and Defense shut out the Bears.
Mr. Jones will be joining Saquon, soon, as the GM knows nothing about getting O-Linesmen.
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Jones to Slayton still fun to watch. Giants sure to sign a vet RB this week.
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Giants were criticized for not taking Darnold
Such folly.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/us/robert-kraft-prostitution-case-appeal/index.html
No further pursuit of the case by Florida. Kraft wins (or at least loses no further than he had already by the accusation).
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Saints stuck on 17 which is usually a good strategy in Vegas
not tonight
nice win by Raiders in home opener
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Cam does sure look good
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/its-no-shot-tom-brady-admit-cam-newton-has-invigorated-franchise?b
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Cam does sure look good
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/its-no-shot-tom-brady-admit-cam-newton-has-invigorated-franchise?b
He'd have looked a lot better about 10 feet to my left.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/us/robert-kraft-prostitution-case-appeal/index.html
No further pursuit of the case by Florida. Kraft wins (or at least loses no further than he had already by the accusation).
Kraft buys his way out.
Fucking pig that he is.
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Yes he did.
He paid a lot of money to very good lawyers to beat the rap.
But there is nothing wrong with a person using their resources to fight for themselves.
It might not be equitable, and it might not be a remedy available to al, but it is legal.
I would say that given the legal fees he paid, probably well into 6 figues, and the public humilition Kraft has suffered, that may be justice for paying for a consensual hand job.
I always enjoy good football talk.
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Summing up the week -
Just one tough loss vs spread, really - Steelers. Maybe Bills could qualify.
7-9 (13-3 game winners) but hit the parlay
+310 for the week
- 180 overall.
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Summing up the week -
Just one tough loss vs spread, really - Steelers. Maybe Bills could qualify.
7-9 (13-3 game winners) but hit the parlay
+310 for the week
- 180 overall.
what 7 games did you win kid
congrats on the parlay-saved your ass.
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kid's WINS v spread bolded
Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog Total
Thurs. 9/17 8:20 PM Cleveland -6 Bengals 43.5 24-21
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Philly -2 Rams 46 27-23
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TB -9 Panthers 49 31-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Pitt -7.5 Broncos 43.5 23-13
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Dallas -5 Falcons 52.5 31-27
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM 49ers -7 NYJ 42.5 24-16
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Bills -5.5 Miami 41.5 26-19
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Indy -3 Vikes 48 21-24
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM GB -6 Lions 47.5 27-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Chicago -5 Giants 43 24-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TN -9 Jags 42.5 26-19
Sun. 9/20 4:05 PM AZ -7 Wash. Team 46.5. 24-21
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Ravens -7 Houston 51.5. 28-24
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Chiefs -8.5 LAC 49. 31-20
Sun. 9/20 8:20 PM Seattle -3.5 Pats 45. 21-17
Mon. 9/21 8:15 PM Saints -6.5 LV 51.5. 34-21
I got TB, Atl, SF, GB, Jax, Seat,
that's 6
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congrats on the parlay-saved your ass.
All part of the process
Sometimes it puts you way over the top
In real life betting, a parlay and a best bet is often all I will play.
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Yes he did.
He paid a lot of money to very good lawyers to beat the rap.
But there is nothing wrong with a person using their resources to fight for themselves.
It might not be equitable, and it might not be a remedy available to al, but it is legal.
I would say that given the legal fees he paid, probably well into 6 figues, and the public humilition Kraft has suffered, that may be justice for paying for a consensual hand job.
I always enjoy good football talk.
He should have been thrown out of the league.
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I got TB, Atl, SF, GB, Jax, Seat,
Don't try so hard to belittle others, asshole.
LIFE is its own reward.
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Best of Kraft: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/ah7srj/tosh-0-robert-kraft-s-audition-tape---uncensored (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/ah7srj/tosh-0-robert-kraft-s-audition-tape---uncensored)
Still claims it's not Lander's baby is not his kid.
heh
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Uno is this Board's National Enquirer correspondent.
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I got TB, Atl, SF, GB, Jax, Seat,
Don't try so hard to belittle others, asshole.
LIFE is its own reward.
I didn't belittled you kid, you did that all on your own.
I just kept an honest count.
Something you did not do.
That makes 2 weeks in a row you've mispresented your picks and both times to your advantage.
You shown yourself to be: an idiot who can't count, a liar who can't tell the truth, or so insecure you can't accept responsibility for your mistake.
Most probably all 3.
If life is its own reward, why not accept life, rather than lie about it?
Kid once again proves he's Elba's 13-time reigning village idiot
kid after 2 weeks is
wk1 6-9-1
wk2 6-10
total 12-19-1 (38.7%)
-890
an idiot would go 50% just on random choices.
awesome job you brain-dead liar.
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Uno is this Board's National Enquirer correspondent.
And expert on banning for inexcusable behavior.
If Kraft gets banned by the NFL for a hand job, I wonder if he'll slink back to his owner's box with a new name.
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I got TB, Atl, SF, GB, Jax, Seat,
Don't try so hard to belittle others, asshole.
LIFE is its own reward.
You made a statement of what you were "betting."
Then you made a claim of how you did against that "bet," to tell us how well you had done.
Then you got corrected, as has happened on multiple occasions in the past.
If you don't want to be corrected, either don't tell us what your bets are, don't tell us what your results are, or get it right. Or, in your terms, work a little harder at not belittling yourself, Kid.
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I got TB, Atl, SF, GB, Jax, Seat,
Don't try so hard to belittle others, asshole.
LIFE is its own reward.
I didn't belittled you kid, you did that all on your own.
I just kept an honest count.
Something you did not do.
That makes 2 weeks in a row you've mispresented your picks and both times to your advantage.
You shown yourself to be: an idiot who can't count, a liar who can't tell the truth, or so insecure you can't accept responsibility for your mistake.
Most probably all 3.
If life is its own reward, why not accept life, rather than lie about it?
Kid once again proves he's Elba's 13-time reigning village idiot
kid after 2 weeks is
wk1 6-9-1
wk2 6-10
total 12-19-1 (38.7%)
an idiot would go 50% just on random choices.
awesome job you brain-dead liar.
7-9 13-18-1, a-hole
22-10 on game winners
And likely I suck on over/unders, as usual.
* When Bank makes a mistake - well.....its because it was just that - a very, very rare miscue.
When someone else does, he states vehemently that this person lied to boost his/her credibility
Huge heh
Hey Banks - you're fucking OLD - it happens.
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kid-the fact is you have lied in the past in these pick'em games, and you can't be trusted to provide an honest count.
Your picks for wk2 were posted, and you were 6-10 against the spread.
When I asked you to provide your claimed 7 ATS winners, you chose to insult me, as you couldn't list 7 winners, as you only had 6 ATS winners.
Grow-up kid and maybe one day you'll be old too
and maybe you'may learn to count, and not take a game so seriously you'd compromise your dignity.
Probably not.
But kid take heart, you're in 1st place at 12-19-1
as no one in their rght mind will play with you
so as usual you are playing with yourself
SSDD
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Bank is too much an asshole to even look at it again.
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Usually I use ignore feature or about a week at a time. Works well for me.
Bank - see ya in a month. Clean up your act.
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Bank is too much an asshole to even look at it again.
Says the person who cannot be bothered to explain which one Banks got wrong when he reposted the set of results, highlighting which ones you won.
He spelled out his claim. You get to point out his error or we get to believe his analysis.
Your choice.
If you point out which game he missed that you won, then we will say, yup! Banks missed that one!
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Oh no, kid has me on iggy rather than deal with the unpleasant truth.
Not the first time he has chosen to run away.
and fwiw, I kept track only because Elba's village idiot fucked up his wk 1 count to his benefit, and I was curious if some implied oversight might instill a little honesty in kid's bogus accounting.
I laughed when he misrepresented his wk 2 #s.
And yes kid, I doubled checked your picks.
perhaps you should have spent a little more time on them as well.
HEH
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I made a mistake, for some reason I had you on the Browns -6.
kid if you had answered my question to ID your 7 winners this bullshit could have been avoided.
But you thought calling me an asshole was a wise course to follow.
You're still a liar and troll, and can't be trusted,
But in this instance, I made a mistake.
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RIP Gale Sayers
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29951448/chicago-bears-hall-fame-running-back-gale-sayers-dies-age-77 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29951448/chicago-bears-hall-fame-running-back-gale-sayers-dies-age-77)
Former Chicago Bears star Gale Sayers, considered one of the greatest running backs in the history of the National Football League despite a career cut short by knee injuries, has died at age 77 after living with dementia.
I was lucky enough to see his 6 TD games against the 49ers. He was a spectacular quick cutting rocket of a running back.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2910345-report-tyrod-taylors-lung-accidentally-punctured-by-chargers-team-doctor
Wow.
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NFL Line Week 3, 9/24-28, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog Total
Thurs. 9/24 8:20 PM Jax -3 Dolphins 47.5 27-21
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM NE -6 Raiders 48
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Buffalo -2.5 Rams 47.5
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Pitt -4 Texans 45
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM 49ers -4.5 NYG 42
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Titans -2.5 MN 47.5
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Cleve -7 WFT 44
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Phil -6 Bengals 46.5
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Atl -3.5 Bears 47.5
Sun. 9/27 4:05 PM Indy -10.5 Jets 43.5
Sun. 9/27 4:05 PM LAC -6.5 Panthers 44
Sun. 9/27 4:25 PM AZ -5.5 Lions 54.5
Sun. 9/27 4:25 PM Bucs -6 Denver 43.5
Sun. 9/27 4:25 PM Seattle -5 Cowboys 55.5
Sun. 9/27 8:20 PM NO -3.5 Packers 51.5
Mon. 9/28 8:15 PM Baltimore -3 Chiefs 53.5
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Jacksonville win and cover tonight - with the OVER.
27-21 to the Minshews.
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Dolphins
Raiders
Buffalo
Pitt
49ers
Titans
Cleve
Bengals
Atl
Indy
Panthers
AZ
Bucs
Seattle
Packers
Chiefs
AZ for the knockout pick.
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Jacksonville win and cover tonight - with the OVER.
27-21 to the Minshews.
They lost, so of course they did not cover. And it was under.
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Good post.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/falcons-cb-a-j-terrell-tests-positive-for-covid-19-placed-on-reserve-list
Oops.
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NFL Line Week 3, 9/24-28, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog Total
Thurs. 9/24 8:20 PM Jax -3 Dolphins 47.5 27-21 JAGS cover L
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM NE -6 Raiders 48 27-20 PATS
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Buffalo -2.5 Rams 47.5 20-23 RAMS
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Pitt -4 Texans 45 24-17 STEELERS
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM 49ers -4.5 NYG 42 24-21 GIANTS
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Titans -2.5 MN 47.5 27-24 TITANS
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Cleve -7 WFT 44 24-14 BROWNS
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Phil -6 Bengals 46.5 27-24 BENGALS
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Atl -3.5 Bears 47.5 27-17 FALCONS
Sun. 9/27 4:05 PM Indy -10.5 Jets 43.5 28-14 COLTS
Sun. 9/27 4:05 PM LAC -6.5 Panthers 44 24-17 CHARGERS
Sun. 9/27 4:25 PM AZ -5.5 Lions 54.5 31-21 CARDINALS
Sun. 9/27 4:25 PM Bucs -6 Denver 43.5 24-17 BUCS
Sun. 9/27 4:25 PM Seattle -5 Cowboys 55.5 35-28 SEAHAWKS
Sun. 9/27 8:20 PM NO -3.5 Packers 51.5 24-27 PACKERS
Mon. 9/28 8:15 PM Baltimore -3 Chiefs 53.5 24-27 CHIEFS
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Knockout pick is ARIZONA
Week 1 - Baltimore
Week 2 - Tampa Bay
Week 3 - Arizona
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looks like some interesting match-ups today that will give a decent sense of who's real and who isn't
in the early games
Pats-Raiders--I'm not convinced on Pats even with good showing on offense last week, I was surprised. I think the Pats win an entertaining over and tight game, maybe 30-27, if I was betting I'd take the 7, but I don't bet against the Pats.
Bill-Rams-I'm leaning Bills in what could be a pretty good game, lay the 2, Bills 27-23
Steelers-Texans--like the Steelers, haven't trusted the Texans in a long time, lay the 3.5, 27-20
Titans-Vikes- Vrabel is building a team I think they're real, lay the 2.5 27-20
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
(https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)
edit added vegasinsider's lines
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This week's parlay -
Browns, Cards, Seahawks
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Bills in a crash and burn
Yikes
good thing the stadium is empty
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Bills get bailed out on near-historic loss.
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2-2 ATS
4-0 straight winners
3-1 over unders
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thinking Seattle -5.5
34-27
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Metcalf just became immortal-that play will live forever.
moron
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2-2 ATS
4-0 straight winners
3-1 over unders
3-2 ATS
5-0 straight winners
4-1 o-u
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Great job today by Lions (OUCH), Bears (OUCH), Packers (yay)
Thought about going AFC North parlay - would have cashed.
9-7 week
+$30
-$150 season
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heh
"Balls!" said the queen
if I had two I'd be king
Ravens 38-31
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Several Titans and staff test positive for covid
NFL shuts down Tenn facility till sat.
oops
opening line of Tenn -3 has moved to Pitt -1.5 -2
little surprised its not off the board
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Several Titans and staff test positive for covid
NFL shuts down Tenn facility till sat.
Vikings are shut down, too, despite no positive tests.
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Just being reported by ESPN's Dianna Russini
Sunday’s game between the Steelers and Titans is being postponed per multiple sources. They are considering all options to reschedule, Monday night as one of them. This will all be based on test results.
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damn shame for kid
Steelers were an integral part of his pick of the week-parlay-get back to even plan.
heh
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week 4
10/1 8:20 ET Broncos -3 NY Jets 40
10/4 1:00 ET Colts -2.5 Chicago 45
10/4 1:00 ET Saints -4 Detroit 54
10/4 1:00 ET Cardinals -3.5 Carolina 52.5
10/4 1:00 ET Cincinnati -3 Jaguars 48
10/4 1:00 ET Dallas -4.5 Browns 55.5
10/4 1:00 ET Houston -3.5 Vikings 54
10/4 1:00 ET Seahawks -6.5 Miami 54.5
10/4 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -7.5 Chargers 45
10/4 1:00 ET Steelers -2 Tennessee 47
10/4 1:00 ET Ravens -13.5 Washington 47
10/4 4:05 ET LA Rams -12.5 Giants 47.5
10/4 4:25 ET Kansas City -7 Patriots 54
10/4 4:25 ET Bills -3 Las Vegas 52.5
10/4 8:20 ET San Francisco -6.5 Eagles 45
10/5 8:15 ET Green Bay -7 Falcons 58
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NY Jets
Colts
Saints
Cardinals
Jaguars
Browns
Houston
Seahawks
Tampa Bay
Steelers
Ravens
LA Rams
Kansas City
Bills
San Francisco
Falcons
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Titans-Steelers game this week is being rescheduled for later this season, per source. There were two more positive tests in Tennessee -- one player, one personnel.
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week 4
10/1 8:20 ET Broncos -3 NY Jets 40
10/4 1:00 ET Colts -2.5 Chicago 45
10/4 1:00 ET Saints -4 Detroit 54
10/4 1:00 ET Cardinals -3.5 Carolina 52.5
10/4 1:00 ET Cincinnati -3 Jaguars 48
10/4 1:00 ET Dallas -4.5 Browns 55.5
10/4 1:00 ET Houston -3.5 Vikings 54
10/4 1:00 ET Seahawks -6.5 Miami 54.5
10/4 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -7.5 Chargers 45
10/4 1:00 ET Ravens -13.5 Washington 47
10/4 4:05 ET LA Rams -12.5 Giants 47.5
10/4 4:25 ET Kansas City -7 Patriots 54
10/4 4:25 ET Bills -3 Las Vegas 52.5
10/4 8:20 ET San Francisco -6.5 Eagles 45
10/5 8:15 ET Green Bay -7 Falcons 58
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10/1 8:20 ET Broncos -3 NY Jets 40 20-16 DEN covers
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LOL
never change Jets
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3-1 on Thu nights
23-25 overall
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kid's originally reported results
w1 6-9-1 (originally 6-8-1)
w2 7-9
w3 8-8*
w4 1-0
22-26-1
heh
SSDD
Edit *
seems last night around 1AM kid changed his originally reported 8-8 week 3 results to 9-7.
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Giants were criticized for not taking Darnold
Such folly.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10/03/sports/cam-newton-reportedly-tests-positive-covid-19-will-miss-game-vs-chiefs/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10/03/sports/cam-newton-reportedly-tests-positive-covid-19-will-miss-game-vs-chiefs/)
The Patriots' Sunday game against the Kansas City Chiefs will be postponed to Monday or Tuesday, the NFL announced, after New England quarterback Cam Newton reportedly tested positive for COVID-19.
Just a heads-up this might impact the Chiefs -7 line to about -27.
kid's going to use it in a 2-team tease
Tease the Pats to +33
Tease Trump down to -3
speaking of spreads
Who knew that BB would allow Cam to go to Trump's ACB super-spreader?
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week 4
10/1 8:20 ET Broncos -3 NY Jets 40 20-16 DEN cover W
10/4 1:00 ET Colts -2.5 Chicago 45 21-17
10/4 1:00 ET Saints -4 Detroit 54 34-27
10/4 1:00 ET Cardinals -3.5 Carolina 52.5 27-23
10/4 1:00 ET Cincinnati -3 Jaguars 48 24-22
10/4 1:00 ET Dallas -4.5 Browns 55.5 31-24
10/4 1:00 ET Houston -3.5 Vikings 54 28-24
10/4 1:00 ET Seahawks -6.5 Miami 54.5 35-24
10/4 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -7.5 Chargers 45 28-19
10/4 1:00 ET Ravens -13.5 Washington 47 27-10
10/4 4:05 ET LA Rams -12.5 Giants 47.5 31-17
10/4 4:25 ET Kansas City -7 Patriots 54 - off -
10/4 4:25 ET Bills -3 Las Vegas 52.5 24-27
10/4 8:20 ET San Francisco -6.5 Eagles 45 28-24
10/5 8:15 ET Green Bay -7 Falcons 58 33-21
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For the record - in my contest my pick on NE-KC was
Kansas City 27 New England 17
This week's PARLAY, you ask?
LA Rams, Tampa Bay, Dallas
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TB12
2 drives-2 TDs
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TB12
2 drives-2 TDs
I like this play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAcjuH4a6sI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAcjuH4a6sI)
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Brady must have gotten a nap at halftime.
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Brady must have gotten a nap at halftime.
Remdesevir
he's got friends in low-places
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Chiefs open as 11 point favorites v Pats MNF
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nice CFBW for the old man
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Wild week. Looking to somehow get to 7-7 and -$170 including the parlay.
WENTZ LIVES, as I suspected.
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Well, me, a die hard Browns fan, having my fantasy team get shot in the nuts by an over reliance on the Pittsburgh Steelers is only the second most just example of COVID related karma of the week.
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As long as there's an edit function kid will find a way to get to 7-7.
heh
Pats flew out this AM for tonight's game at Arrowhead.
used two planes
covid-free
covid-maybe
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As long as there's an edit function kid will find a way to get to 7-7.
heh
Pats flew out this AM for tonight's game at Arrowhead.
used two planes
covid-free
covid-maybe
I think the NFL is nuts for having this game move forward.
That said, go Pats!
That said, in the immortal words of Miracle Max, "It would take a miracle."
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Isn't it just Cam and one practice squad player from KC that were positive?
Bank - the time of any edit is shown in the post - so you remain a mystery in your commentary on my picks.
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As long as there's an edit function kid will find a way to get to 7-7.
heh
Pats flew out this AM for tonight's game at Arrowhead.
used two planes
covid-free
covid-maybe
I think the NFL is nuts for having this game move forward.
That said, go Pats!
That said, in the immortal words of Miracle Max, "It would take a miracle."
Have fun storming the castle!
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Isn't it just Cam and one practice squad player from KC that were positive?
3/4 day lead time between exposure and positive test is normal. So while only two test positive you need multiple tests over several days. Titans are still testing positive.
Despite starting multiple times for multiple teams and despite three stints with the Pat's Hoyer is getting his first start for New England,.ever, today.
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As long as there's an edit function kid will find a way to get to 7-7.
heh
Pats flew out this AM for tonight's game at Arrowhead.
used two planes
covid-free
covid-maybe
I think the NFL is nuts for having this game move forward.
That said, go Pats!
That said, in the immortal words of Miracle Max, "It would take a miracle."
This one looked like a scheduled loss from the start, it just got uglier
Not sure why the NFL rescheduled this one so quickly, while it cancelled Tenn-Pitt within about 24 hrs of the news, they must have had a pretty good idea about the virus potential spread in Tenn
Maybe rejiggering the schedule for Pats-chiefs was tough and they wanted to avoid playing 7-inning double-headers in March
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Want there just a case where some players tested positive - then retested as negative - and the game went on?
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Isn't it just Cam and one practice squad player from KC that were positive?
Bank - the time of any edit is shown in the post - so you remain a mystery in your commentary on my picks.
How about the time of post deletions-kid.
You've cheated and been caught too many times in these types of games to be trusted.
So go fuck yourself.
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Isn't it just Cam and one practice squad player from KC that were positive?
Bank - the time of any edit is shown in the post - so you remain a mystery in your commentary on my picks.
How about the time of post deletions-kid.
You've cheated and been caught too many times in these types of games to be trusted.
So go fuck yourself.
See, kid? banks just revealed his methodology to you. Pay attention, now. He knows how to paint a picture of the "reality" he wants you and others to see. You can't bullshit a bullshitter.
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Isn't it just Cam and one practice squad player from KC that were positive?
Bank - the time of any edit is shown in the post - so you remain a mystery in your commentary on my picks.
How about the time of post deletions-kid.
You've cheated and been caught too many times in these types of games to be trusted.
So go fuck yourself.
See, kid? banks just revealed his methodology to you. Pay attention, now. He knows how to paint a picture of the "reality" he wants you and others to see. You can't bullshit a bullshitter.
says the troll who posts under more names than Sybil had, and denies the family connections
heh.
I play a straight game.
and no need to bullshit.
But I understand you don't understand honesty and integrity and never will.
and you can go fuck yourself too.
or play with kid and fuck each other.
and keep score
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Isn't it just Cam and one practice squad player from KC that were positive?
Bank - the time of any edit is shown in the post - so you remain a mystery in your commentary on my picks.
How about the time of post deletions-kid.
You've cheated and been caught too many times in these types of games to be trusted.
So go fuck yourself.
See, kid? banks just revealed his methodology to you. Pay attention, now. He knows how to paint a picture of the "reality" he wants you and others to see. You can't bullshit a bullshitter.
says the troll who posts under more names than Sybil had, and denies the family connections
heh.
I play a straight game.
and no need to bullshit.
But I understand you don't understand honesty and integrity and never will.
and you can go fuck yourself too.
or play with kid and fuck each other.
and keep score
Wrong forum, banks.
If you're going to go the troll route, you have to go to the correct forum.
Learn the rules, and try to follow them, shitstain.
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Except I'm not trolling.
I pointed out kid has deleted posts in this forum re his football picks.
I never have.
Now go fuck yourself again
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Want there just a case where some players tested positive - then retested as negative - and the game went on?
It was a Saint player, before the game against Detroit. Both the retest of the original sample and a second test came back negative.
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UNO
I deleted my bait post, admittedly
I posted an incorrect accounting of my score picks for week 3 (that I was 8-8), figuring that as in the past when Bank just KNEW there was something amiss (heh) he would correct me.
Except he didnt. I wonder why.
Instead he used the INCORRECT figure, my bait - in a post meant to once again - CORRECT someone.
He just cannot help himself, Bank - the all knowing, the GREAT CORRECTOR.
He was dumbfuck WRONG - yet again - as I was in fact 9-7 for week 3.
TFF
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As long as there's an edit function kid will find a way to get to 7-7.
Shut up, dick.
And before you use it against me - I have NO PICK here at KC -11. Using 14-game slate. In my contest I get the extra game - as everyone does - and used the -7 they gave me.
6-7 this week
28-32 overall.
Over there I actually missed week 1 and also missed the DEN win this past THU.
So I am 21-23 (7-9, plus 9-7, plus 5-7). Chance to even things tonight with GB cover and KC covering at minus 7.
Also had what they call an EXACTA in week 2, which is - you guessed it - picking the exact score of a game.
Slow start.
Meh.
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UNO
I deleted my bait post, admittedly
I posted an incorrect accounting of my score picks for week 3 (that I was 8-8), figuring that as in the past when Bank just KNEW there was something amiss (heh) he would correct me.
Except he didnt. I wonder why.
Instead he used the INCORRECT figure, my bait - in a post meant to once again - CORRECT someone.
He just cannot help himself, Bank - the all knowing, the GREAT CORRECTOR.
He was dumbfuck WRONG - yet again - as I was in fact 9-7 for week 3.
TFF
What's too fucking funny is that kid can't be trusted on to accurately or honestly count to 10.
As i posted above he deleted a post and edited his results.
And as posted above by kid, he posted wrong results.
Except he did it 2 weeks in 3 .
In week 1 he under-reported his score and only corrected his count upon a challenge.
in week 2 he was evasive about his picks, it took him about 10 hrs after the fact to clear it up the confusion.
I was wrong and admitted to it at the time.
In week 3 he called his hand at 8-8 (and I eyeballed it and it looked ok) and then about 3-4 days later he edited his 8-8 to 9-7.
And I questioned it at the time, (the multi-asterisk post) but kid never offered any clarification.
Until today when his bullshit was called, and now he says he intentionally lied and posted wrong results.
So everything I've posted is true.
kid can not be trusted to provide an honest and accurate score, whether its his cheating or pure stupidity.
I can go on about how kid has used old lines knowing they'te no longer good, or past-posting picks and playing dumb or conveniently forgetting his losses and only counting new winners until he starts losing again (his baseball moneyline fiasco) but lets just let
sleeping kid's lies speak for themself.
It what the bitch is going to do any way.
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Bank trying to sell to a jury that had I been "trying to cheat" in week 1 I would say 6-8, not 7-8, in place of 6-9
Who the fuck would believe this?
Law school dropout, i suppose he is. But that's not important
His taking of the bait proved all you need to know.
There cant BE any lying when the picks are posted. Not sure why Bank fails to see this. And insists on tension where there is none
When someone posts a pick or 2 then comes back at 3-1 or 4-2, now that could be subject to scrutiny
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The idea that somebody cares about your picks is what needs to be subject to scrutiny.
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in week 2 he was evasive about his picks, it took him about 10 hrs after the fact to clear it up the confusion.
Like I said - it's POSTED. How could I be evasive?
Sep 17, 5:05 PM
Cleveland -6 Bengals 43.5 24-21
Sep 20, 12:52 PM
Thurs. 9/17 8:20 PM Cleveland -6 Bengals 43.5 24-21
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Philly -2 Rams 46 27-23
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TB -9 Panthers 49 31-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Pitt -7.5 Broncos 43.5 23-13
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Dallas -5 Falcons 52.5 31-27
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM 49ers -7 NYJ 42.5 24-16
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Bills -5.5 Miami 41.5 26-19
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Indy -3 Vikes 48 21-24
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM GB -6 Lions 47.5 27-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Chicago -5 Giants 43 24-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TN -9 Jags 42.5 26-19
Sun. 9/20 4:05 PM AZ -7 Wash. Team 46.5. 24-21
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Ravens -7 Houston 51.5. 28-24
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Chiefs -8.5 LAC 49. 31-20
Sun. 9/20 8:20 PM Seattle -3.5 Pats 45. 21-17
Mon. 9/21 8:15 PM Saints -6.5 LV 51.5. 34-21
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Kid
you've laid down a history of misrepresenting your picks for years and boasting about your expertise.
and most of us understand you're full of shit.
And you've been caught several times in your misrepresentations.
and today you just admitted to one.
Now you're blaming me for you lies and willful misrepresentations?
There cant BE any lying when the picks are posted
Kid changed the subject-that not what I said,
I said you misrepesented your results.
And you did in 2 of 3 weeks. and you admitted such
Hopefully you'll be more honest in the future.
But in the interim I'll take the under for kid's truth.
and the over for his lies
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Except I'm not trolling.
I pointed out kid has deleted posts in this forum re his football picks.
I never have.
Now go fuck yourself again
Deny, deny, deny.
Bottom line, you do the same thing in so many other ways. Not to mention your little email campaigns you wage behind the scenes, weasel.
Besides, who gives a fuck what kid or you think about your stupid bets on other people's accomplishments and your pathetic records doing so, you lying douchebag?
And, again if you're going to keep trolling, go to the proper forum.
Maybe your daughter can play that CSNY album you gave her and pull up the track "Deja Vu" for you.
When it comes to the BS you toss around it's just the SSDD.
Fuckhead.
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The idea that somebody cares about your picks is what needs to be subject to scrutiny.
;D
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Back to the box, Bank. Lets call it a one week sentence. See ya next Monday.
Make sure you get your results in - picks don't matter. Only one of us needs to be transparent.
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The gutless indecent troll seems upset
kid and hammy now that's a fucking pair
Why don't the two of you go resuming fucking yourselves.
Kid will take the over
hammy prefers the under
heh
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Back to the box, Bank. Lets call it a one week sentence. See ya next Monday.
Make sure you get your results in - picks don't matter. Only one of us needs to be transparent.
heh
kid is putting his head up his ass rather than deal with unpleasant truths.
enjoy the view kid
make room for Utley's dick it should be along shortly
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The gutless indecent troll seems upset
kid and hammy now that's a fucking pair
Why don't the two of you go resuming fucking yourselves.
Kid will take the over
hammy prefers the under
heh
Here's an updated for you, shitfuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6G2r-jecHc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6G2r-jecHc)
Be interesting if your employer saw what you do here.
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Back to the box, Bank. Lets call it a one week sentence. See ya next Monday.
Make sure you get your results in - picks don't matter. Only one of us needs to be transparent.
heh
kid is putting his head up his ass rather than deal with unpleasant truths.
enjoy the view kid
make room for Utley's dick it should be along shortly
Default setting hit. Typical. banks goes homophobic when exposed as the fraud he is.
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Back to the box, Bank. Lets call it a one week sentence. See ya next Monday.
Make sure you get your results in - picks don't matter. Only one of us needs to be transparent.
heh
kid is putting his head up his ass rather than deal with unpleasant truths.
enjoy the view kid
make room for Utley's dick it should be along shortly
Default setting hit. Typical. banks goes homophobic when exposed as the fraud he is.
Not homophobic at all, I dont care what you guys do.
I don't want to see kid get poked in the eye.
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The cornered rat is the most pathetic of rodents.
Sad rml, sad.
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The cornered rat is the most pathetic of rodents.
Sad rml, sad.
Troll I understand the heat of passion may overtake you
but remember to mask up
and bring one for everybody
one for hammy, utley, piggy, Uno and sybil just in case she shows up
better get a 12-pack in case I've left anyone out.
heh
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Texans fire HC Bill O'Brien
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30048287/sources-houston-texans-fire-coach-gm-bill-obrien-0-4-start (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30048287/sources-houston-texans-fire-coach-gm-bill-obrien-0-4-start)
HOUSTON -- The Texans have fired head coach and general manager Bill O'Brien and have named associate head coach Romeo Crennel the team's interim head coach.
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Texans fire HC Bill O'Brien
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30048287/sources-houston-texans-fire-coach-gm-bill-obrien-0-4-start (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30048287/sources-houston-texans-fire-coach-gm-bill-obrien-0-4-start)
HOUSTON -- The Texans have fired head coach and general manager Bill O'Brien and have named associate head coach Romeo Crennel the team's interim head coach.
Because his track record is so much better...
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For the sake of whatever....
Adjusted line is KC -11
KC 30 Pats 17
Enjoy, all.
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Did Chicken Shit Bank make a pick tonight?
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heh
I wouldn't touch this game with a 6 ft pole.
social distancing
and as I told you I've no interest in picking games where you're involved
you're a cheating lieing sack of shit
so just plain old distancing because you also smell like a sack of shit.
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Pats got screwed out of a pick-6
nice jobs refs
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kid seems upset
not sure why as he admitted to doing exactly what I said he did.
kid's brain damaged,
Algernon
heh
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Hoyer-rookie mistake
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Hoyer-rookie mistake
X2
fuck
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BB benchs Brian
BB pissed at rookie mistakes by a vet
Stidham in
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Stiddy up!
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Beauty by Stidham
Bellechick continues to confound with use of running backs - how is Harris not in when they are 1st/goal inside the 10?
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Live odds right now
KC -6.5
Love it.
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oh Jules
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too many mistakes
too many turnovers
wasted a great D effort
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Romo booking Patriots a playoff spot
Interesting
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So...
we get to 8-7 this week after winning the last three vs the number (didnt have the Philly upset) -
30-32
For week - -$70.
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Sad Sam Darnold out this week
Jets being roasted for having Mekhi Becton dressed for the game, when clearly he wasn't capable of playing.
Vultures circling Meadowlands.
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They're going crazy about the "fumble" by Mahomes in New England today.
Heh
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Sad Sam Darnold out this week
Jets being roasted for having Mekhi Becton dressed for the game, when clearly he wasn't capable of playing.
Vultures circling Meadowlands.
Lotta dead bodies and dead hopes in that part of Jersey for vultures to feed on
could been worse-Trump could have held a rally at the stadium.
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Looks like Pats fans will have their excuses lined up for not making the play-offs this year. The situation is worsening in un-investigated New England: Another big-name New England Patriots player has tested positive for COVID-19.
NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported Wednesday morning that reigning Defensive Player of the Year Stephon Gilmore tested positive in Tuesday's round of testing, per a source informed of the situation.
Gilmore underwent additional testing to confirm the positive result.
With the latest positive test, the Patriots have canceled Wednesday's practice and will conduct virtual meetings. Pelissero reports that while the Patriots have informed all Tier 1/2 personnel that work will be remote Wednesday, everyone still must report to the facility to undergo daily COVID-19 testing.
The test marks the third player affected by COVID-19 in New England in recent days. Cam Newton tested positive for the novel coronavirus and landed on the reserve/COVID-19 list last week. Practice-squad defensive lineman Bill Murray was placed on the reserve list Tuesday.
https://www.nfl.com/news/patriots-cb-stephon-gilmore-tests-positive-for-covid-19 (https://www.nfl.com/news/patriots-cb-stephon-gilmore-tests-positive-for-covid-19)
"It is what it is."
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The Jets had Broadway Joe. The Bengals have Queen City Joe, which sounds more sashay than cache'.
https://www.nfl.com/news/carson-palmer-believes-joe-burrow-can-get-bengals-to-the-next-level (https://www.nfl.com/news/carson-palmer-believes-joe-burrow-can-get-bengals-to-the-next-level)
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In case I had any doubts about the league's choice to let the Patriots play, Gilmore's post-game hug of Mahomes prior to Gilmore's COVID-positive test would cement it.
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In case I had any doubts about the league's choice to let the Patriots play, Gilmore's post-game hug of Mahomes prior to Gilmore's COVID-positive test would cement it.
That was just a part of the Pats plan.
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What does it say if Mahomes does not get infected?
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Week 5 NFL
NFL Line Week 5 10/8 - 12, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/8 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Chicago 44.5 23-17
10/11 1:00 ET Atlanta -2 Panthers 54
10/11 1:00 ET Kansas City -13 Raiders 56.5
10/11 1:00 ET Rams -7 Washington 45
10/11 1:00 ET Houston -6 Jaguars 54
10/11 1:00 ET Bills -8 Tennessee 49
10/11 1:00 ET Cardinals -7 NY Jets 46.5
10/11 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7 Eagles 44
10/11 1:00 ET Baltimore -13 Bengals 51
10/11 4:05 ET San Francisco -8 Dolphins 47
10/11 4:25 ET New England -10.5 Broncos 48.5
10/11 4:25 ET Dallas -9.5 Giants 54
10/11 4:25 ET Colts -1.5 Cleveland 47
10/11 8:20 ET Seattle -7 Vikings 57.5
10/12 8:15 ET New Orleans -7.5 Chargers 51
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Buccaneers
Atlanta
Kansas City
Rams
Houston
Bills
Cardinals
Eagles
Baltimore
San Francisco
New England
Dallas
Cleveland
Seattle
Chargers
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What does it say if Mahomes does not get infected?
That he got lucky that it was very short and that he didn't catch it anyway.
There's a reason that not everybody in a given room gets sick, Kid. Is that truly news to you?
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What does it say if Mahomes does not get infected?
That he deferred and took the wind to his back.
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What does it say if Mahomes does not get infected?
That he got lucky that it was very short and that he didn't catch it anyway.
Yep
Length of time very important. Remember this in your other conversations.
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Its a good thing that in bars and restaurants, airplanes, subways, trains, movie theatres, offices, stadiums and schools, just a name a few gathering places, the interactions between people are so brief making it unlikely for the virus to spread.
oh,
never mind
and disregard what kid says, he's an idiot
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Work cut out for Tom tonight
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What does it say if Mahomes does not get infected?
That he got lucky that it was very short and that he didn't catch it anyway.
Yep
Length of time very important. Remember this in your other conversations.
Pretty much none of mine with you are nearly short enough.
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Tom had a senior moment there.
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I'm enjoying rooting for Brady. Tough to see the brain lock.
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Brady
Making Tampa Great Again
just not tonight
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The NY Jets have had a player test positive for COVID-19
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Looks like Brady can no longer count to 4. Time to go see the neurologist.
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The NY Jets have had a player test positive for COVID-19
Only positive in the J-E-T-S season
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Patriots facllity/Titans facility shut down again - but thus far no cancellations.
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Patriots facllity/Titans facility shut down again - but thus far no cancellations.
per the Globe
The NFL announced that it will postpone the Patriots' Monday game against the Denver Broncos at Gillette Stadium after the Patriots received another positive COVID-19 test.
Game has been rescheduled for next Sunday 10-18.
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eh looking schedule today
best game is probably Lakers-Heat
then Astro's-Rays
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Week 5 NFL
NFL Line Week 5 10/8 - 12, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/8 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Chicago 44.5 23-17
10/11 1:00 ET Atlanta -2 Panthers 54 31-28
10/11 1:00 ET Kansas City -13 Raiders 56.5 34-20
10/11 1:00 ET Rams -7 Washington 45 27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Houston -6 Jaguars 54 30-27
10/11 1:00 ET Bills -8 Tennessee 49
10/11 1:00 ET Cardinals -7 NY Jets 46.5 27-21
10/11 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7 Eagles 44 27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Baltimore -13 Bengals 51 38-24
10/11 4:05 ET San Francisco -8 Dolphins 47
10/11 4:25 ET New England -10.5 Broncos 48.5
10/11 4:25 ET Dallas -9.5 Giants 54
10/11 4:25 ET Colts -1.5 Cleveland 47
10/11 8:20 ET Seattle -7 Vikings 57.5
10/12 8:15 ET New Orleans -7.5 Chargers 51
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eh looking schedule today
best game is probably Lakers-Heat
then Astro's-Rays
Game nI am watching now --- KC-LV
Plus Colts-Browns
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Cowboys could be fighting to get back to first place vs G-men.
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I remember WBW when Chiefs -Raiders was the late game on NBC and was usually a great game.
and when bookies took bets up until about 5 minutes until kick-off as long as they could lay-off
kid's got a very forgiving bookie, letting him pick games mid-2nd qtr.
more trolling from the troll
SSDD
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Carr torching Chiefs secondary
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heh - re: Carr and LV
Based on trends this game was an UNDER
Started in Vegas at 58, bet down to 55, maybe lower.
Sharks seem to have had it wrong. I need all the help I can get with O/U so I listened.
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Week 5 NFL
NFL Line Week 5 10/8 - 12, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/8 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Chicago 44.5 23-17
10/11 1:00 ET Atlanta -2 Panthers 54 31-28
10/11 1:00 ET Kansas City -13 Raiders 56.5 34-20
10/11 1:00 ET Rams -7 Washington 45 27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Houston -6 Jaguars 54 30-27
10/11 1:00 ET Bills -8 Tennessee 49
10/11 1:00 ET Cardinals -7 NY Jets 46.5 27-21
10/11 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7 Eagles 44 27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Baltimore -13 Bengals 51 38-24
Isn't predicting 1pm games at 2pm usually frowned upon by you?
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heh - re: Carr and LV
Based on trends this game was an UNDER
Started in Vegas at 58, bet down to 55, maybe lower.
Sharks seem to have had it wrong. I need all the help I can get with O/U so I listened.
It's quite the pitchers' duel, huh?
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Week 5 NFL
NFL Line Week 5 10/8 - 12, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/8 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Chicago 44.5 23-17
10/11 1:00 ET Atlanta -2 Panthers 54 31-28
10/11 1:00 ET Kansas City -13 Raiders 56.5 34-20
10/11 1:00 ET Rams -7 Washington 45 27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Houston -6 Jaguars 54 30-27
10/11 1:00 ET Bills -8 Tennessee 49
10/11 1:00 ET Cardinals -7 NY Jets 46.5 27-21
10/11 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7 Eagles 44 27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Baltimore -13 Bengals 51 38-24
Isn't predicting 1pm games at 2pm usually frowned upon by you?
I am told nobody cares.
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Week 5 NFL
NFL Line Week 5 10/8 - 12, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/8 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Chicago 44.5 23-17
10/11 1:00 ET Atlanta -2 Panthers 54 31-28
10/11 1:00 ET Kansas City -13 Raiders 56.5 34-20
10/11 1:00 ET Rams -7 Washington 45 27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Houston -6 Jaguars 54 30-27
10/11 1:00 ET Bills -8 Tennessee 49
10/11 1:00 ET Cardinals -7 NY Jets 46.5 27-21
10/11 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7 Eagles 44 27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Baltimore -13 Bengals 51 38-24
Isn't predicting 1pm games at 2pm usually frowned upon by you?
I am told nobody cares.
Nobody does.
But if you're going to pick games then pick under the rules that everyone in the world has adopted.
you pick games before they start not an hour into the game.
And keep an honest count.
You want to play under your own "kid rules" that flaunt convention and are totally meaningless you will be mocked.
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Week 5 NFL
NFL Line Week 5 10/8 - 12, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/8 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Chicago 44.5 23-17
10/11 1:00 ET Atlanta -2 Panthers 54 31-28
10/11 1:00 ET Kansas City -13 Raiders 56.5 34-20
10/11 1:00 ET Rams -7 Washington 45 27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Houston -6 Jaguars 54 30-27
10/11 1:00 ET Bills -8 Tennessee 49
10/11 1:00 ET Cardinals -7 NY Jets 46.5 27-21
10/11 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7 Eagles 44 27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Baltimore -13 Bengals 51 38-24
Isn't predicting 1pm games at 2pm usually frowned upon by you?
I am told nobody cares.
You told me that you care.
No shock that you don't.
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Week 5 NFL
NFL Line Week 5 10/8 - 12, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/8 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Chicago 44.5 23-17
10/11 1:00 ET Atlanta -2 Panthers 54 31-28
10/11 1:00 ET Kansas City -13 Raiders 56.5 34-20
10/11 1:00 ET Rams -7 Washington 45 27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Houston -6 Jaguars 54 30-27
10/11 1:00 ET Bills -8 Tennessee 49
10/11 1:00 ET Cardinals -7 NY Jets 46.5 27-21
10/11 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7 Eagles 44 27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Baltimore -13 Bengals 51 38-24
10/11 4:05 ET San Francisco -8 Dolphins 47 27-17
10/11 4:25 ET New England -10.5 Broncos 48.5 - off -
10/11 4:25 ET Dallas -9.5 Giants 54 34-27
10/11 4:25 ET Colts -1.5 Cleveland 47 24-21
10/11 8:20 ET Seattle -7 Vikings 57.5 31-23
10/12 8:15 ET New Orleans -7.5 Chargers 51 34-21
10/13 ???? Bills -8 Tennessee 27-17
Parlay - COLTS, SAINTS, BILLS
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Damn they're going to Heidi this game.
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The Wonderful World of Giants
JFC
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you pick games before they start not an hour into the game.
I'm not arguing with you about picks any more, Bank
My early game selections were inserted via Facebook before noon.
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you pick games before they start not an hour into the game.
I'm not arguing with you about picks any more, Bank
My early game selections were inserted via Facebook before noon.
attaboy!
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That is not a cramp.
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Gordon Hayward winced on that.
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Last time the Browns were 4-1 their head coach was.Bill Belicheck and they peat New England in the playoffs.
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Giants play it soft at :31 remaining
And there went the season.
Dalton was a mess. Have to pressure there.
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you pick games before they start not an hour into the game.
I'm not arguing with you about picks any more, Bank
My early game selections were inserted via Facebook before noon.
I presume you won't give us a screen shot of that.
Pretty easy to make claims posted where nobody else can see them, Kid. They came here a hair before 2pm, ET.
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Vikings' head coach should be fired.
Even if they win, he should be canned for not going for the field goal.
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Re: Minnesota
I'd agree.
What I'd love to know is did they blitz Russ on the 4th and 10? If they didnt, like the Giants playing soft vs Dalton - there's your critique.
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Vrabel sends a message
or he had the over
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Saban tests positive.
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Roll Tide
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Roll Tide
Does it work as well as Clorox, if I use the liquid instead of the powder?!
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Roll Tide
Does it work as well as Clorox, if I use the liquid instead of the powder?!
That's a good question, IDK, we should probably ask kid, as he likely has a hot take on the benefits of bleach and getting "whiter than white". Which I beleive was the slogan for the SEC WBW. That's more a question for Red.
Back to the NFL, no game tonight as covid as f'ed up the NFL schedule and Bills-Chief gets pushed to Monday at 5pm.
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Hall of Famer Fred Dean dies from the Trump Virus.
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Roll Tide
Does it work as well as Clorox, if I use the liquid instead of the powder?!
That's a good question, IDK, we should probably ask kid, as he likely has a hot take on the benefits of bleach and getting "whiter than white". Which I beleive was the slogan for the SEC WBW. That's more a question for Red.
Back to the NFL, no game tonight as covid as f'ed up the NFL schedule and Bills-Chief gets pushed to Monday at 5pm.
A relief to Trump, who thinks he will be better off head to head with Biden and having more people see him.
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NFL Line Week 6, 10/15 - 19, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/18 1:00 ET Carolina -2.5 Bears 44
10/18 1:00 ET Lions -3.5 Jacksonville 54.5
10/18 1:00 ET Minnesota -3.5 Falcons 55
10/18 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Texans 55
10/18 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 WFT 43
10/18 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -3.5 Browns 51
10/18 1:00 ET Ravens -7.5 Philadelphia 47.5
10/18 1:00 ET Indianapolis -7.5 Bengals 46.5
10/18 1:00 ET New England -9 Broncos 46
10/18 4:05 ET Miami -8.5 Jets 47.5
10/18 4:25 ET Packers -1.5 Tampa Bay 54
10/18 8:20 ET Rams -3.5 San Francisco 51
10/19 5:00 ET Chiefs -3.5 Buffalo 55
10/19 8:15 ET Cardinals -2.5 Dallas 54.5
Bye Week: Las Vegas Raiders, Los Angeles Chargers,
New Orleans Saints, Seattle Seahawks
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Cowboys choose Gilbert over Kaepernick
He can continue being a martyr
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still waiting for the results from week 5
the count must have been slowed for some inexplicable reason
maybe Rasmussen has the #s
SSDD
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I think I was 4-10 - for -$800
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I think I was 4-10 - for -$800
rough week.
good luck this week
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34-42 overall.....
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PICKS! PICKS! PICKS!
NFL Line Week 6, 10/15 - 19, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/18 1:00 ET Carolina -2.5 Bears 44 24-21
10/18 1:00 ET Lions -3.5 Jacksonville 54.5 31-27
10/18 1:00 ET Minnesota -3.5 Falcons 55 35-31
10/18 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Texans 55 28-24
10/18 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 WFT 43 23-19
10/18 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -3.5 Browns 51 27-21
10/18 1:00 ET Ravens -7.5 Philadelphia 47.5 28-21
10/18 1:00 ET Indianapolis -7.5 Bengals 46.5 28-17
10/18 1:00 ET New England -9 Broncos 46 26-19
10/18 4:05 ET Miami -8.5 Jets 47.5 31-17
10/18 4:25 ET Packers -1.5 Tampa Bay 54 28-24
10/18 8:20 ET Rams -3.5 San Francisco 51 31-28
10/19 5:00 ET Chiefs -3.5 Buffalo 55 31-27
10/19 8:15 ET Cardinals -2.5 Dallas 54.5 34-27
Bye Week: Las Vegas Raiders, Los Angeles Chargers,
New Orleans Saints, Seattle Seahawks
PARLAY - Miami, Green Bay, Arizona
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Bears
Lions
Falcons
Texans
WTG
Browns
Ravens
Indianapolis
New England
Miami
Tampa Bay
Rams
Chiefs
Cardinals
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The Patriots look awful.
The Broncos look a smidgen better, but that's all.
No idea who will win.
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The Patriots look awful.
The Broncos look a smidgen better, but that's all.
No idea who will win.
They do look awful. both sides of the ball.
That sack on Newton that took them out of FG range-he held the ball forever. Dude should rewind his internal clock.
And the D seemed De stracted and can't stop anything and Broncos are running easily
I wonder if the D knows there's a game this week.
From what I saw Broncos were the better team in the 1st half
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The Patriots look awful.
The Broncos look a smidgen better, but that's all.
No idea who will win.
They do look awful. both sides of the ball.
That sack on Newton that took them out of FG range-he held the ball forever. Dude should rewind his internal clock.
And the D seemed De stracted and can't stop anything and Broncos are running easily
I wonder if the D knows there's a game this week.
From what I saw Broncos were the better team in the 1st half
Or at least the Patriots were the worse team...
And again so far in the 3rd quarter, w/5 minutes to go.
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This game is awful
G-Men v Wash is on in the background seems eh
I'm hoping TB12 and Rodgers provides a good game
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It was funny and fitting my Pats game on-line kept on crashing and with them mounting a comeback 4th and 10 from the Broncos 24, the game crashed again for the last time.
So did the Pats.
They were miserable today.
Congrats to the G-Men on losing their cherry.
Don't think the Jets will.
Hope the Bucs and Pack is a good game.
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Congrats to the G-Men on losing their cherry.
Thanks to riverboat Ron gambling on the 2pt conversion.
Happy for Joe Judge getting his first head coaching victory.
Had been knocking on the door for a couple weeks.
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That Die Hard commercial was pretty good.
Can we assume Die Hard 2020 on tap this X-Mas
John McClane takes on Covid
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That Die Hard commercial was pretty good.
Can we assume Die Hard 2020 on tap this X-Mas
John McClane takes on Covid
I was thinking... taking Trump out of the White House.
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TB12 to GRONK
still makes me smile
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That Die Hard commercial was pretty good.
Can we assume Die Hard 2020 on tap this X-Mas
John McClane takes on Covid
I was thinking... taking Trump out of the White House.
Yippee Kai-Yay Motherfucker!
that works for me
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TB12 to GRONK
still makes me smile
Never seen one play turn a game so like that Rodgers pick 6
Nice to see all men are human.
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So, anyway - I feel fortunate to have gotten covers in Phiily-Bal and especially Tennessee-Hou but what in holy hell happened in the NYG game?
Analysts were befuddled that the (totally incompetent) D Jones interception late that gave Wash their chance wasnt overturned (for elbow out of bounds)
Anyone see it?
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TB12 to GRONK
still makes me smile
Never seen one play turn a game so like that Rodgers pick 6
Well, you clearly missed the opening kickoff of the Browns/Steelers game.
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Hey Ezekiel - how about you take the fucking nose ring out - might be a good start.
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Old School Kid is the best Kid.
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And the old Kid is back
9-5 vs the number
$250 profit
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The Giants could still make the play-offs. Not likely, but possible. A win tomorrow night in Philly would be HUGE.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30156724/how-bad-nfc-east-fpi-says-produce-four-win-playoff-team (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30156724/how-bad-nfc-east-fpi-says-produce-four-win-playoff-team)
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NFC East is wide open!
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Shit, sorry, Whisk
@Philadelphia. -4. Giants. 43.5.
25-19
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I had the Gs.
This is like watching two one win teams who deserve to be one win teams playing like two one win teams who deserve to be one win teams.
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Well, that one will be emblematic.
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I have opted to watch two 0-5 women's soccer teams.
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Remind me not to buy whatever shoes Daniel Jones is wearing.
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And Giants get the key draft edge!
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Tom Brady must be a happy camper tonight. TB signed Antonio Brown.
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Tom Brady must be a happy camper tonight. TB signed Antonio Brown.
That will be good for a couple games. Maybe later they can move on to Josh Gordon.
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Or OBJ
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Tom Brady must be a happy camper tonight. TB signed Antonio Brown.
That will be good for a couple games. Maybe later they can move on to Josh Gordon.
heh
Comparing Gordon to Brown.
Idiocy.
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NFL week 7
@Philly. -4. Giants. 43.5. 25-19. L
Steelers -1.5. @Tennessee. 52
Browns -3.5. @ Cincy. 50.5
Cowboys -1.5. @Washington. 47.5
@Atlanta. -2.5. Lions. 57
@New Orleans. -7.5. Panthers. 51.5
Bills. -13. @ NY Jets. 46
Packers -3.5. @Houston. 56.5
Late games to come
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NFL week 7
@Philly. -4. Giants. 43.5. 25-19. L
Steelers -1.5. @Tennessee. 52. 33-26
Browns -3.5. @ Cincy. 50.5. 27-24
Cowboys -1.5. @Washington. 47.5. 28-24
@Atlanta. -2.5. Lions. 57. 28-31
@New Orleans. -7.5. Panthers. 51.5. 31-23
Bills. -13. @ NY Jets. 46. 38-17
Packers -3.5. @Houston. 56.5. 30-27
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Week 7 late games
Seahawks -3.5. @Arizona. 56.5
@New England -2.5. Niners. 45.5
Chiefs -9. @Denver. 48
@LA Chargers -8. Jaguars. 49.5
Buccaneers -3. @Las Vegas. 53.5
@LA Rams -5.5. Bears. 46
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Fantasy note - picked up Gronk for rest of the year. Dealt M Andrews for Lamb
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Week 7 late games
Seahawks -3.5. @Arizona. 56.5 30-31
@New England -2.5. Niners. 45.5 20-17
Chiefs -9. @Denver. 48 34-20
@LA Chargers -8. Jaguars. 49.5 28-17
Buccaneers -3. @Las Vegas. 53.5 24-23
@LA Rams -5.5. Bears. 46 27-24
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Looking like Pittsburgh may manage to cover, based on the 1st half.
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Looking like Pittsburgh may manage to cover, based on the 1st half.
I was right, but... only barely! (It's too bad - I wanted the Titans to win.
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some nutty-wild endings (bad-beats etc) in the early games
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Browns now 5 - 0 when they score at least twice.
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Falcons invent new way to lose.
heh
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If you missed it - all ATL had to do was take 3 knees and kick the game winning 27-30 yeard FG.
Had 1st and goal from the 10 with a minute left, down 2.
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Cam Newton is not going to make anybody forget Matt Castle, the way he has played so far this year. Today is just underscoring the point.
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Cam Newton is not going to make anybody forget Matt Castle, the way he has played so far this year. Today is just underscoring the point.
Well said.
I expected the offense to be sub-par, but they are almost unwatchable
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Wow - missed call alert in TB game
Receiver was mugged. Tampa gets ball at TB 24 up 11
heh
NFL.......
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38-20
Pretty good finish taken from fans
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38-20
Pretty good finish taken from fans
Because it was so close, otherwise, and the outcome guaranteed to be a close one.
Not that I can speak from having watched it, because it's not even viewable on the paid NFL option up here.
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10-2 straight, 5-7 spread
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strange game-SeaHawks have been dancing on a tightrope all season
tonight they slipped
good game
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Is Bellechick so stubborn that he won't usher in the Damien Harris era? Pretty evident that should be the next move.
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Kyler Murray was supposedly a hell of a center fielder. But what a great decision he made to commit to the NFL full bore.
Here's to his continued good health.
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Is Bellechick so stubborn that he won't usher in the Damien Harris era? Pretty evident that should be the next move.
says the guy who thought Cam Newton was going to turn Edelman into a star!
TFF
kid must have Harris on his fantasy team!
Damien.
Kamala's on mine!
8-8 might have been too optimistic, this is a team with a lot of problems
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Kyler Murray was supposedly a hell of a center fielder. But what a great decision he made to commit to the NFL full bore.
Here's to his continued good health.
So, giving up guaranteed contracts and the potential for a longer career is a "great decision".
Sure.
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Is Bellechick so stubborn that he won't usher in the Damien Harris era? Pretty evident that should be the next move.
says the guy who thought Cam Newton was going to turn Edelman into a star!
OPPORTUNITY was on the side of Edelman, as he showed early. But you were right about his not being healthy enough after so many battles
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Kyler Murray was supposedly a hell of a center fielder. But what a great decision he made to commit to the NFL full bore.
Here's to his continued good health.
So, giving up guaranteed contracts and the potential for a longer career is a "great decision".
Sure.
I don't think you are sure.
I am.
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Re:. Harris
I did have him on my team for about three days
He is available in the league now, as is Burkhead and White.
Belly back bingo, anyone?
Heh.
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Is Bellechick so stubborn that he won't usher in the Damien Harris era? Pretty evident that should be the next move.
says the guy who thought Cam Newton was going to turn Edelman into a star!
OPPORTUNITY was on the side of Edelman, as he showed early. But you were right about his not being healthy enough after so many battles
But time wasn't on his side, he's old and hurt.
Edelman is a football player. He busts his ass BUT he played hurt and slow last year-it was obvious he was cooked.
He should have begged TB12 to take him to Tampa to retire gracefully.
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Or OBJ
KoD
just heard he tore his ACL.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-thomas-former-coach-breaks-150842093.html
Mistake pick. SIMMONS was the way to go.
I hear he did something impressive last night in front of a national audience.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-thomas-former-coach-breaks-150842093.html
Mistake pick. SIMMONS was the way to go.
I hear he did something impressive last night in front of a national audience.
Simm9ns has barely played all year, and didn't play in the first half last night. Maybe he is too much of a.tweener, maybe the Cards haven't figured him out yet, maybe he fell into a cholla and no one told us. But until that play he has had very little impact.
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Or OBJ
KoD
just heard he tore his ACL.
And Baker had his best stretch of football after he left. I had read he had gotten too conditioned to look for OBJ first, instead of letting the play dictate his decisions. Maybe he can get back to spreading the ball more.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-thomas-former-coach-breaks-150842093.html
Mistake pick. SIMMONS was the way to go.
I hear he did something impressive last night in front of a national audience.
Simm9ns has barely played all year, and didn't play in the first half last night. Maybe he is too much of a.tweener, maybe the Cards haven't figured him out yet, maybe he fell into a cholla and no one told us. But until that play he has had very little impact.
Right.
Took him til week 7 of his rookie season to make an impact. Imagine that.
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Really the only question would be whether or not defensive coordinator Vance Joseph would know how to use him adequately.
Simmons would be a great pick for the Cardinals
https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/31/mock-draft-nfl-draft-arizona-cardinals-isaiah-simmons/
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Blame the Black guy: https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/patriots/how-cam-newtons-mechanics-are-impacting-julian-edelman (https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/patriots/how-cam-newtons-mechanics-are-impacting-julian-edelman)
When looking further into things, perhaps Newton’s throwing mechanics and not throwing to the right side of the field are playing into Edelman’s lack of production.
Well, that's Boston.
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Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.
Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.
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Patriots are losing because of CHI-NA.
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:By most accounts Patriots had a poor draft, correct?
All those wideouts passed up - and now you are looking for one?
Pats always GOT ONE for Tom. Lets see what they do for Cam.
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:By most accounts Patriots had a poor draft, correct?
All those wideouts passed up - and now you are looking for one?
Pats always GOT ONE for Tom. Lets see what they do for Cam.
BB has had very mixed draft results over the past several years.
Eventually missing on a lot of high picks, (1st and 2nd rounders) catch-up with you.
Outside of "damaged" good in Randy Moss, Brady really never had great (pro-bowlers) receivers. BB had a lot of misses at WR in the draft. Brady had Welker and Jules in the slot, and a great TE in Gronk, but his receivers were generally pretty pedestrian. The name guys they went after the past few years, AB, Gordon, Sanu, for various reasons were busts.
I wouldn't expect them to do anything dramatic (use significant cap space or draft capital) re WR this year.
This seemed like a transition year after Brady left, and more so post covid opt outs.
Too many holes.
I'd prefer them to be sellers and not buyers.
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Welker was acquired and had 672 catches in 6 years
Moss was acquired and had 47 TD in 3 years.
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Welker was acquired and had 672 catches in 6 years
Moss was acquired and had 47 TD in 3 years.
I know.
Brady played for the Pats for 19 years his list of pro-bowl offensive position players is pretty short.
He never had the studs receivers that for example, your boy Benny R. did.
Brady pretty much had no-name guys to throw to.
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Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.
Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.
Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.
How's the daughter, btw? Work through your record collection, yet?
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Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.
Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.
Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.
Its not my problem nor concern I seem to occupy so much of the empty space between your ears and fill you with feelings of insecurity and your worthlessness.
Work on your deep-seated racism though, it may be a more productive use of your time.
best of luck
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Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.
Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.
Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.
Its not my problem nor concern I seem to occupy so much of the empty space between your ears and fill you with feelings of insecurity and your worthlessness.
Work on your deep-seated racism though, it may be a more productive use of your time.
best of luck
Still miss your wife, don't you, banks? Lonely old fool.
Heh
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Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.
Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.
Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.
Its not my problem nor concern I seem to occupy so much of the empty space between your ears and fill you with feelings of insecurity and your worthlessness.
Work on your deep-seated racism though, it may be a more productive use of your time.
best of luck
Still miss your wife, don't you, banks? Lonely old fool.
Heh
You really are a delusional stalker and obssessed.
And q-tips your ears from time to time, it will help bring some air and light into that very dark and filthy space.
heh
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Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.
Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.
Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.
The irony of your spending time telling him that he's delusional for thinking he's worth anyone's time is too circular for words. (Added to create a second circle.)
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Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.
Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.
Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.
The irony of your spending time telling him that he's delusional for thinking he's worth anyone's time is too circular for words. (Added to create a second circle.)
Shhhhh. Josh. It's been two decades. He has yet to learn that no one really cares what his opinions are.
But nice to see you still try to ride you his rescue, when he's getting his asd kivked to the curb again.
You're a good teammate, joshie.
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Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.
Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.
Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.
The irony of your spending time telling him that he's delusional for thinking he's worth anyone's time is too circular for words. (Added to create a second circle.)
The troll is too stupid to undertstand the irony of his bleatings.
The troll's long-established deviant stalking behavior towards me (and others) which again he seems proud of, only exposes his delusions and his obvious human deficiencies.
SSDD.
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Here's a question or two
Is Trevor Lawrence worth tanking for?
and
With the Jets (0-7) using the 3rd pick of the 2018 draft on Sam Darnold and the NYFG (1-6) using the 6th pick of the 2019 draft on Daniel Jones, and both teams in contention for snagging the #1 pick (and presumably the rights to the Clemson Kid) what would your inclinations be re the choices you would have?
Do you stick with the guys who you viewed as your franchise QBs or do you look to the next guy as the franchise savior?
Do you trade the pick for a basket of picks to build around etc (and keep Sam and Danny)?
or do you trade your ex-savior for a pick (probably a decent one) and go with Trevor, who looks like the real deal?
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Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.
Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.
Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.
The irony of your spending time telling him that he's delusional for thinking he's worth anyone's time is too circular for words. (Added to create a second circle.)
Shhhhh. Josh. It's been two decades. He has yet to learn that no one really cares what his opinions are.
But nice to see you still try to ride you his rescue, when he's getting his asd kivked to the curb again.
You're a good teammate, joshie.
My comment has nothing to do with him, Ham.
It's all about your verbiage.
I'm not the one claiming his words are worth your time, you are.
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I think Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Peyton. I'm sure both the Jets and Giants would take him in a second. Guys like Darnold, Jones even Mayfield are there every year. Lawrence isn't.
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I think Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Peyton. I'm sure both the Jets and Giants would take him in a second. Guys like Darnold, Jones even Mayfield are there every year. Lawrence isn't.
That's my inclination as well. I wonder what draft packages would be sweet enough to dissuade his rights holder to swap out of Trevor, who might be the the next generational can't miss college guy who is seen as a franchise QB like Peyton,or Luck.
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Here's a question or two
Is Trevor Lawrence worth tanking for?
and
With the Jets (0-7) using the 3rd pick of the 2018 draft on Sam Darnold and the NYFG (1-6) using the 6th pick of the 2019 draft on Daniel Jones, and both teams in contention for snagging the #1 pick (and presumably the rights to the Clemson Kid) what would your inclinations be re the choices you would have?
Do you stick with the guys who you viewed as your franchise QBs or do you look to the next guy as the franchise savior?
Do you trade the pick for a basket of picks to build around etc (and keep Sam and Danny)?
or do you trade your ex-savior for a pick (probably a decent one) and go with Trevor, who looks like the real deal?
I think Lawrence is generational. I like Fields, but he is not on that level. Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Luck, and he may be a better prospect than Luck.
Unless you are sitting on an elite QB talent already, you take Lawrence. Darn old can be a an upper middle level QB but I do not see him as elite. I would draft Lawrence, invest in OL talent on the FA market and the rest of the 2020 draft to protect him, jettison other veteran talent for draft choices in 21 and 22. But I take him,.even if I am the Cowboys with Dak Prescott coming back.
If the Jesters have any serviceable veteran talent to trade, that is. Got any WR we could borrow?
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I think Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Peyton. I'm sure both the Jets and Giants would take him in a second. Guys like Darnold, Jones even Mayfield are there every year. Lawrence isn't.
That's my inclination as well. I wonder what draft packages would be sweet enough to dissuade his rights holder to swap out of Trevor, who might be the the next generational can't miss college guy who is seen as a franchise QB like Peyton,or Luck.
As someone else noted, that is the type of trade you read about on the back page of the NY tabloids for decades.
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I think Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Peyton. I'm sure both the Jets and Giants would take him in a second. Guys like Darnold, Jones even Mayfield are there every year. Lawrence isn't.
That's my inclination as well. I wonder what draft packages would be sweet enough to dissuade his rights holder to swap out of Trevor, who might be the the next generational can't miss college guy who is seen as a franchise QB like Peyton,or Luck.
As someone else noted, that is the type of trade you read about on the back page of the NY tabloids for decades.
Yup like the Ram's trade of RG3 draft rights to the Skins (3 1s) or the Cowboys-Vikes Herschel Walker haul. (too complicated to remember-but about half the Vikes and a trillion picks)
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Do you trade the pick for a basket of picks to build around etc (and keep Sam and Danny)?
or do you trade your ex-savior for a pick (probably a decent one) and go with Trevor, who looks like the real deal?
Neither.
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Addendum -
assuming it is the 2 or 3 pick that is dealing up to us I make the deal for the picks, then drfat 2nd/3rd.
Jets may deal Darnold. Giants are keeping Jones.
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Meanwhile, Jeff Garcia thinks the F in NFL stands for Fashion.
STFU, has-been.
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Addendum -
assuming it is the 2 or 3 pick that is dealing up to us I make the deal for the picks, then drfat 2nd/3rd.
Jets may deal Darnold. Giants are keeping Jones.
so to be clear, if you're the G-Men GM and get the #1 pick and rights to TL, you will trade only to 2nd or 3rd team in the draft, but wouldn't trade for a package from a lower positioned team (lke 10, or 15 etc) that could still offer a ton of picks, and theoretically, as you're keeping Danny, you would draft the best available player non TL-player at #1?
As for the Jets, draft TL, and trade Darnold? (I agree with this)
And it seems your original "neither" answer was instead, "both".
heh
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I dont speak for the Jets
They may see something in Sam they want to ride with.
Is it your thinking either team could geta second round pick for Jones/Darnold?
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Just for kicks, Bank - you have the 12th pick. What do you offer with it for the 1?
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I think Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Peyton. I'm sure both the Jets and Giants would take him in a second. Guys like Darnold, Jones even Mayfield are there every year. Lawrence isn't.
That's my inclination as well. I wonder what draft packages would be sweet enough to dissuade his rights holder to swap out of Trevor, who might be the the next generational can't miss college guy who is seen as a franchise QB like Peyton,or Luck.
As someone else noted, that is the type of trade you read about on the back page of the NY tabloids for decades.
Yup like the Ram's trade of RG3 draft rights to the Skins (3 1s) or the Cowboys-Vikes Herschel Walker haul. (too complicated to remember-but about half the Vikes and a trillion picks)
But for the Jesters and the Gnats, with the added NY fishbowl bubble.
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And it seems your original "neither" answer was instead, "both".
neither
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I dont speak for the Jets
They may see something in Sam they want to ride with.
Is it your thinking either team could geta second round pick for Jones/Darnold?
kid we're just giving our opinions as fans.
you speak for yourself as you see the environment
And yes at least a 2 for either guy, maybe more depending on the team (the 1st pick in the 2nd round is a lot more valuable (than the 32nd).
Either team could get a compensatory 3 if they just let these guys go to FA.
IMO either NJ team jetisons their current QB for TL.
IMO2 the risk are too great to pass on him, unless you are overwhelmed with a massive offer-overpay.
which leeds to your next question.
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Just for kicks, Bank - you have the 12th pick. What do you offer with it for the 1?
Depends on 1) need and 2) next year's draft class, or FA, and where I figure I am.
And do i have to blow-up 2+ years or can I get someone who meets my needs and build around him with the draft and FA
But using a standard draft matrix as a team drafting 12th, it would take my entire draft (1-7) to come up with about 2000 pts on the 3000 needed to get the 1st pick in the 1st round.
Or
2-1s
2-2s
in consecutive years
would be a fair swap according to the matrix and using a 10% discount for year 2.
YEAR 1
draft points
1-1200
2- 460
YEAR 2
1-1080
2-414
Total 3,154 pts
But it would probably take something along those lines.
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And as luck (heh) would have it there is a Trevor Lawrrence draft story today.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30203144/clemson-tigers-qb-trevor-lawrence-hints-staying-senior-season-rather-opting-nfl-draft (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30203144/clemson-tigers-qb-trevor-lawrence-hints-staying-senior-season-rather-opting-nfl-draft)
Clemson Tigers quarterback Trevor Lawrence is leaving the door open about his football future despite previously saying he planned on heading to the NFL after this, his junior season.
The 6-foot-6 Lawrence, considered the likely No. 1 pick in next spring's NFL draft, said he hasn't ruled out returning to Clemson for another year instead of going pro.
"My mindset has been that I'm going to move on," Lawrence said Tuesday. "But who knows? There's a lot of things that could happen."
Maybe he believes Trump and doesn't want to play in a ghost town or alongside Jimmy Hoffa's ghost haunting the Meadowlands
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I dont speak for the Jets
They may see something in Sam they want to ride with.
Is it your thinking either team could geta second round pick for Jones/Darnold?
kid we're just giving our opinions as fans.
you speak for yourself as you see the environment
And yes at least a 2 for either guy, maybe more depending on the team (the 1st pick in the 2nd round is a lot more valuable (than the 32nd).
Either team could get a compensatory 3 if they just let these guys go to FA.
IMO either NJ team jetisons their current QB for TL.
IMO2 the risk are too great to pass on him, unless you are overwhelmed with a massive offer-overpay.
which leeds to your next question.
Giants wont have that choice so its quite moot.
Saw some zany ass take today re: Jags and how they never should have beat Indy.
Losers.
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Giants wont have that choice so its quite moot.
I wouldn't rule out the G-Men yet.
There are about 4-6 teams with a decent shot at the Lawence lottery. And the G-Men seem to have more tix than most.
Eyeballing their schedule there are no gimme's. maybe 2-3 close wins, or they could be losses.
Jets played a decent Bills team tough last week, I'm not postitive they go 0-2020. I could see them beating a disniterested and bad Patriots team if they play as poorly as they played last week,
But the Jets are probably the favs going into the 2nd half of the season.
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Bank, you didn't fully answer the question above. Are you IN or OUT if your stated price is approved?
Further - how long does Bill stay with not so great QB play? Can he adjust?
(FTR - I do feel Newton may still impress if his COVID fog diminishes)
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Bank, you didn't fully answer the question above. Are you IN or OUT if your stated price is approved?
Further - how long does Bill stay with not so great QB play? Can he adjust?
(FTR - I do feel Newton may still impress if his COVID fog diminishes)
Kid I said depending upon need, other draft options, and FA availability, 2-1s and 2-2s (at the 12 draft position) was "fair" price for TL.
I think BB adjusts and adapts all the time, its what he does, but i think he understands a good QB is critical to competing for championships, so I imagine he's thinking about how to get his next QB.
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6-8 vs number last week (-$280)
49-55 overall
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NFL Line Week 7, 10/22 - 26, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/22 8:20 ET Philadelphia -4 Giants 43.5
10/25 1:00 ET Steelers -1.5 Tennessee 52
10/25 1:00 ET Browns -3.5 Cincinnati 50.5
10/25 1:00 ET Cowboys -1.5 Washington 47.5
10/25 1:00 ET Atlanta -2.5 Lions 57
10/25 1:00 ET New Orleans -7.5 Panthers 51.5
10/25 1:00 ET Bills -13 NY Jets 46
10/25 1:00 ET Packers -3.5 Houston 56.5
10/25 4:05 ET Seahawks -3.5 Arizona 56.5
10/25 4:25 ET New England -2.5 49ers 45.5
10/25 4:25 ET Chiefs -9 Denver 48
10/25 4:25 ET LA Chargers -8 Jaguars 49.5
10/25 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3 Las Vegas 53.5
10/26 8:15 ET LA Rams -5.5 Bears 46
kid
I think you accidently reposted last week's schedule and lines.
or maybe you want a 2nd bite of the apple.
good luck this week
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NFL Line Week 8, 10/29 - 11/2, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/29 8:20 ET Carolina -3 Falcons 49
11/01 1:00 ET Colts -3 Detroit 50
11/01 1:00 ET Green Bay -6.5 Vikings 54.5
11/01 1:00 ET Buffalo -3.5 Patriots 44
11/01 1:00 ET Titans -6 Cincinnati 54.5
11/01 1:00 ET Cleveland -2.5 Raiders 54
11/01 1:00 ET Kansas City -19.5 Jets 48
11/01 1:00 ET Rams -4 Miami 46.5
11/01 1:00 ET Baltimore -3.5 Steelers 48.5
11/01 4:05 ET Chargers -3 Denver 45
11/01 4:25 ET Saints -2.5 Chicago 47
11/01 4:25 ET Seattle -3 49ers 54
11/01 8:20 ET Philadelphia -7.5 Cowboys 43.5
11/02 8:15 ET Buccaneers -10.5 NY Giants 47
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Carolina 31 Falcons 24
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NFL Line Week 7, 10/22 - 26, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/22 8:20 ET Philadelphia -4 Giants 43.5
10/25 1:00 ET Steelers -1.5 Tennessee 52
10/25 1:00 ET Browns -3.5 Cincinnati 50.5
10/25 1:00 ET Cowboys -1.5 Washington 47.5
10/25 1:00 ET Atlanta -2.5 Lions 57
10/25 1:00 ET New Orleans -7.5 Panthers 51.5
10/25 1:00 ET Bills -13 NY Jets 46
10/25 1:00 ET Packers -3.5 Houston 56.5
10/25 4:05 ET Seahawks -3.5 Arizona 56.5
10/25 4:25 ET New England -2.5 49ers 45.5
10/25 4:25 ET Chiefs -9 Denver 48
10/25 4:25 ET LA Chargers -8 Jaguars 49.5
10/25 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3 Las Vegas 53.5
10/26 8:15 ET LA Rams -5.5 Bears 46
kid
I think you accidently reposted last week's schedule and lines.
Coincidentally that is how the Mel Harder Institute got its reputation for accuracy.
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Is Bellechick so stubborn that he won't usher in the Damien Harris era? Pretty evident that should be the next move.
says the guy who thought Cam Newton was going to turn Edelman into a star!
OPPORTUNITY was on the side of Edelman, as he showed early. But you were right about his not being healthy enough after so many battles
But time wasn't on his side, he's old and hurt.
Edelman is a football player. He busts his ass BUT he played hurt and slow last year-it was obvious he was cooked.
He should have begged TB12 to take him to Tampa to retire gracefully.
Jules undergoes knee procedure (sounds like a scoped meniscus) expected to miss a few weeks and is not "season-ending".
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How is it the Giants players who were close contacts of Wil Hernandez (COVID positive) may be able to play this week as long as they get clean tests - while kids are being kept out of school for 14 days for having been in contact with someone COVID-positive regardless of their test result?
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How is it the Giants players who were close contacts of Wil Hernanez (COVID positive) may be able to play this week as long as they get clean tests - while kids are being kept out of school for 14 days for having been in contact with someone COVID-positive regardless of their test result?
The NFL has a profit motive and the schools do not.
The Giants players should not be playing.
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NFL Line Week 8, 10/29 - 11/2, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
10/29 8:20 ET Carolina -3 Falcons 49 31-24 L
11/01 1:00 ET Colts -3 Detroit 50 31-27
11/01 1:00 ET Green Bay -6.5 Vikings 54.5 31-20
11/01 1:00 ET Buffalo -3.5 Patriots 44 24-17
11/01 1:00 ET Titans -6 Cincinnati 54.5 31-24
11/01 1:00 ET Cleveland -2.5 Raiders 54 27-30
11/01 1:00 ET Kansas City -19.5 Jets 48 34-10
11/01 1:00 ET Rams -4 Miami 46.5 24-17
11/01 1:00 ET Baltimore -3.5 Steelers 48.5 21-24
11/01 4:05 ET Chargers -3 Denver 45 21-24
11/01 4:25 ET Saints -2.5 Chicago 47 27-24
11/01 4:25 ET Seattle -3 49ers 54 28-24
11/01 8:20 ET Philadelphia -7.5 Cowboys 43.5 23-17
11/02 8:15 ET Buccaneers -10.5 NY Giants 47 31-17
Parlay - Packers, Steelers, Bucs (+600)
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Detroit
Green Bay
Patriots
Titans
Cleveland
Kansas City
Miami
Steelers
Chargers
Saints
Seattle
Philadelphia
Buccaneers
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Anyone doing the FOX free contest?
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/predict-six-winners-win-1m-with-fox-super-6
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Anyone doing the FOX free contest?
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/predict-six-winners-win-1m-with-fox-super-6
I try to stay as Fox free as much as possible.
that shit rots your brain.
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Hail, Tua!
Miami has 56 total yards - and leads 28-7.
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Nothing like the Sunday Ticket to make me remember why I left Cleveland.
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Nothing like the Sunday Ticket to make me remember why I left Cleveland.
I thought it was poor air quality due to the smoldering Cuyahoga
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Nothing like the Sunday Ticket to make me remember why I left Cleveland.
I thought it was poor air quality due to the smoldering Cuyahoga
Really funny! Got any Nixon jokes?
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Packers and my fantasy team getting COOKED.
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Belly getting thoroughly outcoached.
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Wow - Packers got fucked.
Like Michigan yesterday
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Wow - Packers got fucked.
Like Michigan yesterday
Beaten by a team playing better and being coached better?
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Patrots beat the spread and hit the over, while Cam played just well enough to lose.
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Patrots beat the spread and hit the over, while Cam played just well enough to lose.
I thought they were going to pull it out.
my 8 win outlook is looking a little strong
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Tough week
Got 2 of the upsets
5-3, 4-4 early games
Steelers may run the table
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Tough week
Got 2 of the upsets
5-3, 4-4 early games
Steelers may run the table
4-4 early games
and
1 loss Thursday
would add to 4-5 ATS
Right?
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Got 2 of the upsets
Broncs make 3. 7 upsets. Wow.
Bodes well for G-men?
heh
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close but no cigar
entertaining game though
Steve Levy must have referred to TB as the Pats 4-5 times
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close but no cigar
entertaining game though
Steve Levy must have referred to TB as the Pats 4-5 times
Can't imagine why he might have done so.
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close but no cigar
entertaining game though
Steve Levy must have referred to TB as the Pats 4-5 times
Can't imagine why he might have done so.
Maybe it was the way the refs gave the game away? PI on the 2pointer? Quick! Pick up the flag!
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close but no cigar
entertaining game though
Steve Levy must have referred to TB as the Pats 4-5 times
Can't imagine why he might have done so.
Maybe it was the way the refs gave the game away? PI on the 2pointer? Quick! Pick up the flag!
It was anything but quick.
And it was the right call, based on the ball's hitting the defender.
But it's you, so complaining that the refs screwed up combined with the oh-so-original-of-you tying that to the BOSTON team is boringly predictable.
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close but no cigar
entertaining game though
Steve Levy must have referred to TB as the Pats 4-5 times
Can't imagine why he might have done so.
Maybe it was the way the refs gave the game away? PI on the 2pointer? Quick! Pick up the flag!
It was anything but quick.
And it was the right call, based on the ball's hitting the defender.
But it's you, so complaining that the refs screwed up combined with the oh-so-original-of-you tying that to the BOSTON team is boringly predictable.
Bad call. Pointing out reality, while you live in denial.
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Curious of the process
Was it
"let me throw the flag then ask what everyone else thinks?"
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it was an iffy-close call.
But IMO the right one.
the problem was Danny threw to the wrong back-shoulder-the defender's.
I think he might have gotten the call if he led Dion Lewis.
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Giants should have drafted Winfield Jr instead of Xavier McKinney.
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After seeing the instant replay it appears the flag shouldn't have been thrown. But once it was I expected it to go to the replay booth and not an on-field huddle. I think a Tom Brady team would've gotten that courtesy and then after review they might decide not to overturn the call because hey its Tom Brady.
But i'm biased. In the end they made the right call. DJ has to get that ball out quicker. He is getting killed in Giants world today by fans who used to have his back. Not just for the late throw but for the continued interceptions instead of throwing the ball away. He isn't learning from mistakes.
Giants fans have started to throw in the towel on DJ. I haven't but most are ready to take Fields or obviously Lawrence. DJ now needs to play well enough (WIN) to make those selections impossible.
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They don't do video replays of possible penalties.
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They don't do video replays of possible penalties.
Even if a flag is thrown? Wow.
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The review rules specify a number of situations that are not reviewable. These include:
All judgment calls, such as pass interference, holding and roughing the passer
A play where a runner is ruled down by defensive contact, not involving a fumble
The recovery of a loose ball in the field of play
Inadvertent whistles and down calls
https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/nfl-review-rules1.htm
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COVID hits the Packers 2 days before big tilt at San Fran.
May be starting RB4.
Meanwhile NFL is toying with the idea of a 16 team playoff if COVID shortens season.
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NSPL
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NFL Line Week 9, 11/5-9, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
11/5 8:20 ET Packers -5.5 San Francisco 50.5
11/8 1:00 ET Seahawks -2.5 Buffalo 54
11/8 1:00 ET Atlanta -4 Broncos 50
11/8 1:00 ET Tennessee -5.5 Bears 46.5
11/8 1:00 ET Minnesota -4 Lions 53.5
11/8 1:00 ET Ravens -2.5 Indianapolis 45.5
11/8 1:00 ET Kansas City -10.5 Panthers 52.5
11/8 1:00 ET Texans -6.5 Jacksonville 51.5
11/8 1:00 ET Washington -3 Giants 41
11/8 4:05 ET LA Chargers -1 Raiders 53
11/8 4:25 ET Steelers -13.5 Dallas 41
11/8 4:25 ET Arizona -4.5 Dolphins 48
11/8 8:20 ET Tampa Bay -5.5 Saints 51.5
11/9 8:15 ET New England -7.5 Jets 41
Bye Week: Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Browns, Philadelphia Eagles, Los Angeles Rams
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7-7 last week. 10-4 on winners, including 3 upsets
Loss for week: $170
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7-7 last week. 10-4 on winners, including 3 upsets
Loss for week: $170
I haven't lost a bet on the NFL all season.
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Me neither
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Green Bay 27 San Francisco 24
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7-7 last week. 10-4 on winners, including 3 upsets
Loss for week: $170
I haven't lost a bet on the NFL all season.
I have never lost a bet on the NFL.
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the allure of the line
the seductive siren song of easy money is hard to ignore
but she has dashed hopes and dreams and emptied the wallets of the most intrepid souls on the jagged coastline of a moneyline thats to good to be true
or so I've heard
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NFL Line Week 9, 11/5-9, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
11/5 8:20 ET Packers -5.5 San Francisco 50.5 27-24 L
11/8 1:00 ET Seahawks -2.5 Buffalo 54 30-27
11/8 1:00 ET Atlanta -4 Broncos 50 24-27
11/8 1:00 ET Tennessee -5.5 Bears 46.5 24-17
11/8 1:00 ET Minnesota -4 Lions 53.5 31-24
11/8 1:00 ET Ravens -2.5 Indianapolis 45.5 20-23
11/8 1:00 ET Kansas City -10.5 Panthers 52.5 34-20
11/8 1:00 ET Texans -6.5 Jacksonville 51.5 27-19
11/8 1:00 ET Washington -3 Giants 41 20-23
11/8 4:05 ET LA Chargers -1 Raiders 53 24-27
11/8 4:25 ET Steelers -13.5 Dallas 41 34-14
11/8 4:25 ET Arizona -4.5 Dolphins 48 27-20
11/8 8:20 ET Tampa Bay -5.5 Saints 51.5 29-26
11/9 8:15 ET New England -7.5 Jets 41 28-17
Parlay - Kansas City, Pittsburgh, New England
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That Saints-Bucs game sure looks tight!
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Looks like ONE NFC South future HOFQB demonstrated his WORTH, last night.
Pats and Giants with same number of wins, so far this season. Of course, the Jints have played more games, but still...
Cowboys whining about refs in Dallas, as was Skip "Please, I'm still relevant!" Bayless in his tweet: "THE STEELERS DON'T DESERVE TO WIN THIS GAME. JUST MAKES ME WANT TO VOMIT." Puke your guts, out Skippy.
And how about this move by AB? https://twitter.com/RandyScottESPN/status/1325641905661640704 (https://twitter.com/RandyScottESPN/status/1325641905661640704) Classy guy.
Did Kyle Allen's ankle show up, yet?
Did TB!2 wake up yet, from his "nightmare game"? Hey, not my term, but what they're calling it in Boston. Schadenfreude?
"Offensively, Brady engineered four consecutive three-and-outs to start the game. That streak only ended when … a Brady pass was tipped at the line (by two different players) and intercepted by a defensive tackle."
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/11/08/tom-brady-nightmare-first-half-national-tv-drew-brees-saints-buccaneers/ (https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/11/08/tom-brady-nightmare-first-half-national-tv-drew-brees-saints-buccaneers/)
Grady Little Syndrome breaks out like the Covid did in Seattle: https://www.fieldgulls.com/2020/11/8/21555588/fire-ken-norton-jr-seattle-seahawks (https://www.fieldgulls.com/2020/11/8/21555588/fire-ken-norton-jr-seattle-seahawks)
Anyone see how the Lions tried to stop Dalvin Cook on a 70-yard run with only 10 men on the field. Confident bunch, aren't they?
Heh
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There was a lot of bad football played yesterday.
Fortunately, we have the Pats and Jets tonight.
That will make it all better, right?!
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There was a lot of bad football played yesterday.
Fortunately, we have the Pats and Jets tonight.
That will make it all better, right?!
The NFL needs to contract.
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There was a lot of bad football played yesterday.
Fortunately, we have the Pats and Jets tonight.
That will make it all better, right?!
Howard and Dandy Don weep
I see the line os the game is Pats -9.5 or -10
I'm not sure the Pats can score much more than 15 (that's 5 FG-I'm not sure they can score TD anymore)
I generally like overs, but if I were to wager I'd give a hard look at the Jets and the under (42)
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Flacco fares pretty well vs Pats, if I recall.
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Pats draft look
https://sports.yahoo.com/2021-nfl-mock-draft-roundup-180232282.html
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Flacco fares pretty well vs Pats, if I recall.
1-4 regular season
2-2 post-season.
total 3-6
good chance these teams will not meet in the post-season.
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Flacco fares pretty well vs Pats, if I recall.
1-4 regular season
2-2 post-season.
total 3-6
good chance these teams will not meet in the post-season.
I have long thought that the two worst NFL teams in a given year should meet post-season. I figured they could call it the Toilet Bowl and play each year in Flushing Meadows.
Or that the worst NFL team could play the winner of the NCAA championship.
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Flacco underappreciated overall
Needs 2 wins for 100 regular season, career
10-5 in playoffs
As for games with Pats, his stats are higher on average in those games than overall (66% comp rate in his 1-4 reg season log, for instance vs 61.5 career)
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Name the 17 modern day QBs with 100 wins in regular season
Hints if u need them
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Name the 17 modern day QBs with 100 wins in regular season
Hints if u need them
Brady
Manning
Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Luck
Rivers
Marino
Bledsoe
Montana
Young
Simms
Staubach
Bradshaw
Elway
Wilson
Favre
Off the top of my head. No idea if I have some I should not or have left off some I should not have. I imagine I have.
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I listed four who were in the 90s and one in the 80s. I left off one I should have remembered, one I might have eventually come up with, and a few that I would not have included in the "modern era," suggesting that I just don't know what that term means.
And one just way off that I should not have had at all. Bad luck on my part.
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Bledsoe tied with Flacco at 98
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You missed at least 5
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There was a lot of bad football played yesterday.
Fortunately, we have the Pats and Jets tonight.
That will make it all better, right?!
Howard and Dandy Don weep
I see the line os the game is Pats -9.5 or -10
I'm not sure the Pats can score much more than 15 (that's 5 FG-I'm not sure they can score TD anymore)
I generally like overs, but if I were to wager I'd give a hard look at the Jets and the under (42)
I see 3 offensive TDs for Pats
No Newton turnovers
Take the over on Pats' number
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9-4, 5-8, -$480
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Randall Cunningham on that list?
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eyeballing Josh's QB list
not sure what "modern day" means but
I'd add old-school QBs Johnny U and maybe Fran Tarkenton and Bart Starr
and not sure of Russell Wilson
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There was a lot of bad football played yesterday.
Fortunately, we have the Pats and Jets tonight.
That will make it all better, right?!
Howard and Dandy Don weep
I see the line os the game is Pats -9.5 or -10
I'm not sure the Pats can score much more than 15 (that's 5 FG-I'm not sure they can score TD anymore)
I generally like overs, but if I were to wager I'd give a hard look at the Jets and the under (42)
I see 3 offensive TDs for Pat's
No Newton turnovers
Take the over on Pat's number
I see a low-scoring field position game with a lot of rushing, a lot of punting, and a game that gets over quick.
something like 17-13 Pats,
I'd take the 10
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eyeballing Josh's QB list
not sure what "modern day" means but
I'd add old-school QBs Johnny U and maybe Fran Tarkenton and Bart Starr
and not sure of Russell Wilson
Unitas and Tarkenton - yep
124 and 118
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Interesting that Ham picked Cunningham and not McNabb
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You missed at least 5
Yes, that is what I said.
I missed 6.
Try reading.
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Looking for two names that are active and one from the 80s/90s
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You missed at least 5
Yes, that is what I said.
I missed 6.
Try reading.
heh
You looked?
What a dick.
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eyeballing Josh's QB list
not sure what "modern day" means but
I'd add old-school QBs Johnny U and maybe Fran Tarkenton and Bart Starr
and not sure of Russell Wilson
I'm not sure about Luck either-hurt too much, short career
or Young sat behind Montana too long
or maybe Staubach too much Navy and not enough Dallas.
kid- Can you confirm the hits and misses
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I'm not sure the Pats can score much more than 15 (that's 5 FG-I'm not sure they can score TD anymore)
heh
like buttah
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Pardon my hyperbole, but the Pats offense sucks, as I told you it probably would before the season started.
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"the fastest first quarter in memory"
I see a low-scoring field position game with a lot of rushing, a lot of punting, and a game that gets over quick.
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heh
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You missed at least 5
Yes, that is what I said.
I missed 6.
Try reading.
heh
You looked?
What a dick.
Looking up what my mistakes were after I posted makes me a dick on your planet?
Glad I don't live there.
And... you should learn to read.
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4th and 1, handoff to James White
Too funny.
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Mr Flacco does luvvvvvv the Patriots
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eyeballing Josh's QB list
not sure what "modern day" means but
I'd add old-school QBs Johnny U and maybe Fran Tarkenton and Bart Starr
and not sure of Russell Wilson
I'm not sure about Luck either-hurt too much, short career
or Young sat behind Montana too long
or maybe Staubach too much Navy and not enough Dallas.
kid- Can you confirm the hits and misses
Yeah. those are all wrong
Starr is wrong
Simms is wrong
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Looking for 4 more names, I think
2 oldies (80s)
2 active
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So Bank states NE offense will be horrible
They score 21, 30 and 36 first three games
QB gets COVID, foggy even when he returns, but looks better last week - and should have beat a good Bills team (scored 21, could easily have been 28, down his best receiver)
Keep the chuckles coming, Bank. That's your role here
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So Bank states NE offense will be horrible
They score 21, 30 and 36 first three games
QB gets COVID, foggy even when he returns, but looks better last week - and should have beat a good Bills team (scored 21, could easily have been 28, down his best receiver)
Keep the chuckles coming, Bank. That's your role here
kid I told you in the pre-season the Pats were real light on offensive weapons and had a new QB unfamiliar with their system So offense was my biggest concern.
You told me Cam was going to make a star out of Jules.
I told you then you had no idea what you were talking about as Jules was cooked.
And he was.
I told earlier today the Pats would be challenged tonight against a very bad Jet team.
I'm perfectly comfortable with my takes on the Pats
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ITS GOOD!
Good bye Trevor!
heh
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Pretty funny.
So... was that a good game for MNF or a bad one?!
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Pretty funny.
So... was that a good game for MNF or a bad one?!
bad football that turned into an entertaining game
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Particularly liked the 5 Patriots field goals. Man - I didnt realize their pass rush was so poor.
Fun team moving forward.
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heh
kid loves changing the subject and evading reality.
and avoiding taking responsibility for his own poor prognostications.
Pats were lucky to beat arguably the worst team in the NFL last night.
but the JETS remain the J-E-T-S
you had a another tough week kid
5-9
61-71
closing in on down $2K for the year.
you're due kid.
better luck next week
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Thanks
Can you keep the tally for the rest of the year?
For the record, we split last night, as I had the over, you the under.
Congratulations for matching 46% handicapper.
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Thanks
Can you keep the tally for the rest of the year?
For the record, we split last night, as I had the over, you the under.
Congratulations for matching 46% handicapper.
For the record I did not bet the game or hold myself as betting the game.
I liked the Jets +10 and the under with the Pats winning by 4.
For the record I've only picked about 8 games this year.
But I think I'm 5-3 ATS and ou
I'd check but since I'm not betting like you I don't really care.
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And as I understand once you run out of fingers and toes counting becomes a challenge for you.
So I'll be glad to lend a hand.
heh
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Having a pretty good money line run the last few weeks. Maybe Bank will total that up for us as well.
But this board should contain more actual pro football talk - who do you all like in the AFC and NFC for Super Bowl?
Packers-Chiefs or Packers-Steelers would be grand
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heh
kid always is killing it elsewhere as he's getting killed here.
SSDD
as to AFC-NFC
I think its kind of wide open
nobody looks consistently overpowering
key may be not getting covid
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I liked the Jets +10 and the under with the Pats winning by 4.
yep
lost just 10 bucks from your 220.
Not too bad
And you also hit the money line - so if picking as we do in my contest you'd have made money.
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But this board should contain more actual pro football talk
What a clown you are.
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kid always is killing it elsewhere as he's getting killed here.
Same picks
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kid always is killing it elsewhere as he's getting killed here.
Same picks
so your loss is closer to $4k.
as long as you're having fun.
heh
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PHI 3-4-1
WFT 2-6-0
DAL 2-7-0
NYG 2-7-0
As long as the Giants play Washington the rest of the way we got a chance.
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so your loss is closer to $4k.
Well...
Its a contest - but if you wish to assign a value so you feel better about yourself, have at it.
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so your loss is closer to $4k.
Well...
Its a contest - but if you wish to assign a value so you feel better about yourself, have at it.
Kid you're the one posting your weekly picks and results and you assigned $ values to them.
I just totaled them for you
I had them at -$1910 here. (including your 1-8 trifecta record)
and you just said you have the same results elsewhere.
so I doubled it.
Good luck in the contest kid-I'm sure you'll get hot any day now.
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I had them at -$1910 here. (including your 1-8 trifecta record)
Thanks
But I didnt pick 9 parlays
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Good luck in the contest kid-I'm sure you'll get hot any day now.
Maybe
Tis often how it works
I will post the final contest tally - kept by others - when they update (note: I have to add week 1's figures since I missed that week at the other place)
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Just checked and I had a rare excellent O/U week - at 10-4
Thus the composite for the contest was not so bad
10-4
5-9
10-4
25-17
.595 composite
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PHI 3-4-1
WFT 2-6-0
DAL 2-7-0
NYG 2-7-0
As long as the Giants play Washington the rest of the way we got a chance.
It will be up to the Eagles.
I think they will win this division, but if they stumble, 6/7 wins could get it for someone else.
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Just checked and I had a rare excellent O/U week - at 10-4
Thus the composite for the contest was not so bad
10-4
5-9
10-4
25-17
.595 composite
keep on moving the goalpost kid
kid's a real republican
he'll keep on cheating until the final dog whistle.
heh
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I had them at -$1910 here. (including your 1-8 trifecta record)
Thanks
But I didnt pick 9 parlays
I may have added a week (1 week) of parlays incorrectly
so lets knock off $100 (lets call it a Trump going out of business courtesy)
and call your loss to date $1810.
but anytime you want to give a full accounting-feel free
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keep on moving the goalpost kid
Been the same for ten years
8 divisions of 4, representing the 32 NFL teams. Composite records listed.
Right now I am working my way up from 4th in my division and bottom 25% overall.
Like I said - tough year. Need a few more near .600 weeks.
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I might also mention I had two exactas this week (Giants game, Titans game) - that is picking the exact final score
Would have had three in one week, which is unheard of, had the Jax rookie QB failed to lead Jags to a score in last minute.
Record is SIX for one season. I now have three.
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PHI 3-4-1
WFT 2-6-0
DAL 2-7-0
NYG 2-7-0
As long as the Giants play Washington the rest of the way we got a chance.
Time out. You really think the Cowgirls and the Birds are that much better a team than the Giants? This division is wide open.
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I have the Eagles at 1.
Some yahoo last week said WASH might be the best of the bunch. Didnt give much on that other than the others werent all that good,
Affects the draft in a bad way - but give me every Giants win I can get - and yeah, maybe some drama for the division down the line.
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/nov/10/ben-roethlisberger-coronavirus-pittsburgh-steelers (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/nov/10/ben-roethlisberger-coronavirus-pittsburgh-steelers)
A day after NFL’s last unbeaten team placed tight end Vance McDonald on the Covid-19 list following a positive test, quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and three other teammates – inside linebacker Vince Williams, running back Jaylen Samuels and offensive lineman Jerald Hawkins – joined it, making their availability for Sunday’s game against Cincinnati (2-5-1) uncertain.
The reserve/Covid-19 list is either for players who have tested positive or have been in close contact with someone who has. All players who have been in close contact must quarantine for five days and are unable to visit the team’s practice facility, but can participate virtually. They must pass Covid-19 tests throughout the week to have an opportunity to play.
Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said Tuesday it’s possible Roethlisberger and Williams could rejoin the team for its walkthrough practice on Saturday. He pointed to Roethlisberger’s experience as a 17-year veteran as one of the reasons he would have no issue playing Roethlisberger if he’s cleared.
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Week 10
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
11/12 8:20 ET Tennessee -2 Colts 48.5
11/15 1:00 ET Detroit -3.5 Washington Football Team 46.5
11/15 1:00 ET Cleveland -3 Texans 54
11/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -13.5 Jacksonville 52
11/15 1:00 ET Eagles -3 New York Giants 44.5
11/15 1:00 ET Buccaneers -4.5 Carolina 50.5
11/15 4:05 ET Las Vegas -5 Broncos 52
11/15 4:05 ET Arizona -2 Bills 56
11/15 4:05 ET Miami -2.5 Chargers 47.5
11/15 4:25 ET Pittsburgh -8 Bengals 47.5
11/15 4:25 ET Los Angeles Rams -2 Seahawks 55.5
11/15 4:25 ET New Orleans -9 49ers 50.5
11/15 8:20 ET Ravens -7 New England 43.5
11/16 8:15 ET Vikings -3 Chicago 44.5
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Tennessee 24 Colts 21
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Tennessee 24 Colts 21
Thoughts on AZ and BUF?
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I like both teams
Bills have made me look silly at times. I think their 7-2 is legit
Best bet is the over. Likely I go Bills.
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lol
Nice special teams, Titans
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30310498/green-bay-packers-notre-dame-great-paul-hornung-dies-84 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30310498/green-bay-packers-notre-dame-great-paul-hornung-dies-84)
2020 claims another
this fucking year
Paul Hornung, the "Golden Boy" who starred for Notre Dame in the 1950s and the Green Bay Packers in the 1960s, has died at age 84, the Louisville Sports Commission announced Friday.
The golden boy turned gambling boy
He was one of the NFL stars that brought the NFL into America's living rooms in the 60s.
RIP Mr Hornung
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11/12 8:20 ET Tennessee -2 Colts 48.5. 24-21. L
11/15 1:00 ET Detroit -3.5 Washington Football Team 46.5
24-21.
11/15 1:00 ET Cleveland -3 Texans 54. 28-24
11/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -13.5 Jacksonville 52. 37-17
11/15 1:00 ET Eagles -3 New York Giants 44.5 24-17
11/15 1:00 ET Buccaneers -4.5 Carolina 50.5. 31-24
11/15 4:05 ET Las Vegas -5 Broncos 52. 30-27
11/15 4:05 ET Arizona -2 Bills 56. 28-31
11/15 4:05 ET Miami -2.5 Chargers 47.5. 24-20
11/15 4:25 ET Pittsburgh -8 Bengals 47.5. 27-24
11/15 4:25 ET Los Angeles Rams -2 Seahawks 55.5. 33-30
11/15 4:25 ET New Orleans -9 49ers 50.5. 34-17
11/15 8:20 ET Ravens -7 New England 43.5. 24-21
11/16 8:15 ET Vikings -3 Chicago 44.5. 24-17
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Murray's a fucking freak.
Nice win by the G-men
Iggles looked broken
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Bills burned
ouch!
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Daniel Jones and the Giants look pretty good when they aren't coughing the ball up and dropping passes.
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Bills burned
ouch!
What happened?
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Bills burned
ouch!
What happened?
A Hail Murray TD pass off a scramble to win it with 10 seconds left.
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It was ugly and took rains of biblical proportions but
AWINZAWIN
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It was ugly and took rains of biblical proportions but
AWINZAWIN
Are the Pats rising or have they just been lucky?!
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It was ugly and took rains of biblical proportions but
AWINZAWIN
Are the Pats rising or have they just been lucky?!
The ground and pound running game and strong D was the hoped for blend, in a post-Brady world. They got it tonight along with a monsoon and a trick TD pass, which helped. But they played better and no turnovers in terrible conditions.
I remain skeptical that in today's NFL a team can win consistenly with about 125 passing yards.
Teams will stack the box. Not sure why Ravens didn't do a better job against the run.
I think the Pats handled the wet weather a lot better than the Ravens, particularly the Ravens center who probably cost the Ravens 30 yards with bad snaps and maybe the game.
AWINZAWIN
Harbaugh will have those recurring dreams of Jules to Amendola in his sleep tonight,
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Brees suffered three fractured ribs on the right side of his chest last week against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He then suffered two more Sunday against the San Francisco 49ers.
None of the injuries were known until he underwent X-rays on Monday.
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Brees suffered three fractured ribs on the right side of his chest last week against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He then suffered two more Sunday against the San Francisco 49ers.
None of the injuries were known until he underwent X-rays on Monday.
One of the worst chapters in my life involved a cracked rib and a collapsed lung (Brees also has the collapsed lung) I incurred in a skiing accident.
Inflating a collapsed lung with a chest tube was the worst pain I ever endured.
The nurse in the small Vt hospital told me, "roll over on your side, grab the gurney rail, his might hurt a little".
then the fucking witch stabbed me in the chest.
Good luck Mr. Brees.
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Inflating a collapsed lung with a chest tube was the worst pain I ever endured.
Worse than this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U)
Or this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgrijfopDc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgrijfopDc)
How about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWI)
I'm guessing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFwh0ruPl80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFwh0ruPl80)
That rib hurt for a small time, but these pains last forever.
HEH
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Inflating a collapsed lung with a chest tube was the worst pain I ever endured.
Worse than this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U)
Or this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgrijfopDc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgrijfopDc)
How about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWI)
I'm guessing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFwh0ruPl80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFwh0ruPl80)
That rib hurt for a small time, but these pains last forever.
HEH
Those games were nothing on the pain level of that chest tube.
Nobody likes losing a game. They build character.
You should try a chest tube it'll broaden your perspective and open your eyes to a whole new level of pain.
As Nurse Ratched told me, "this might hurt a little"
fucking bitch gave me 1 shot of novocaine
and i heard her cackle.
This happened about 30 years ago, i still feel the pain.
it was unbeleivable,
And LSS, I had to go through it again. about 3 weeks later.
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Inflating a collapsed lung with a chest tube was the worst pain I ever endured.
Worse than this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U)
Or this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgrijfopDc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgrijfopDc)
How about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWI)
I'm guessing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFwh0ruPl80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFwh0ruPl80)
That rib hurt for a small time, but these pains last forever.
HEH
Those games were nothing on the pain level of that chest tube.
Nobody likes losing a game. They build character.
You should try a chest tube it'll broaden your perspective and open your eyes to a whole new level of pain.
As Nurse Ratched told me, "this might hurt a little"
fucking bitch gave me 1 shot of novocaine
and i heard her cackle.
This happened about 30 years ago, i still feel the pain.
it was unbeleivable,
And LSS, I had to go through it again. about 3 weeks later.
Sorry you had to thru that.
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Week 11
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
11/19 8:20 ET Seattle -3 Cardinals 58
11/22 1:00 ET Cleveland -3.5 Eagles 48
11/22 1:00 ET New Orleans -5 Falcons 51
11/22 1:00 ET Carolina -3 Lions 49
11/22 1:00 ET Patriots -2 Houston 48
11/22 1:00 ET Steelers -10 Jacksonville 47.5
11/22 1:00 ET Washington -1.5 Bengals 46.5
11/22 1:00 ET Baltimore -6.5 Titans 49
11/22 4:05 ET LA Chargers -9 Jets 47
11/22 4:05 ET Dolphins -5.5 Denver 45
11/22 4:25 ET Indianapolis -2.5 Packers 51.5
11/22 4:25 ET Minnesota -7.5 Cowboys 48
11/22 8:20 ET Chiefs -6.5 Las Vegas 57
11/23 8:15 ET Tampa Bay -3.5 Rams 47.5
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Cardinals 31 Seahawks 28
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Cardinals 31 Seahawks 28
Cardinals 21 Seahawks 28.
You only missed it by one!
And you missed the over/under.
But you were very close. Maybe Rudy will file an appeal for you.
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Keepin that hot Thursday night ride going - heh
Really not that far off from perfect (tying AZ TD then a game winning OT FG) - and yet a bad start to the week
These teams may play again in playoffs.
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that holding call-safety was the turning point for the spread.
Flipped the dynamic of the game.
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Cardinals 31 Seahawks 28
Cardinals 21 Seahawks 28.
You only missed it by one!
And you missed the over/under.
But you were very close. Maybe Rudy will file an appeal for you.
"And Cee-Jayyy - I particularly liked the part where you said NOTHING AT ALL"
- Joshua Lyman
(by the way - what I did get in the contest is called a HIT - that is getting one team's side of the score correct).
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kid
smell the coffee or roses
1)you lost the ATS
2) you lost the over-under
3) you missed the straight winner
that's 0-for-everything that you like to count, particulalry after you've lose the ATS bet.
and that's another -110 in the category you studiously avoid mentioning
maybe you should invite the Michigan repubs over for lunch and you can press your case why you should be 3-0 instead of 0-3.
And there's always Rudy, though at $20K a day he may be a little pricey to represent you given your modest wagers.
best of luck kid.
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I have never disputed my record re: what I post here
0-3 for the week, indeed
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best of luck kid.
Uh...thanks
Though the importance of the outcome of my numbers is consequential to NOT MUCH.
Do you comment on your neighbour's birdwatching hobby as well?
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best of luck kid.
Uh...thanks
Though the importance of the outcome of my numbers is consequential to NOT MUCH.
Do you comment on your neighbour's birdwatching hobby as well?
If my neighbor posted a picture of a pigeon and called it a bald-eagle I might make a comment or two.
kid-what I've told you for years is you there is a very high probablity you will be no more prescient at calling a full slate of games ATS than you would be a predicting heads or tails on 256 fairly flipped coin.
and you prove it every year.
Except you insist on paying a 10% vig on a lesson I've comped you on.
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Though the importance of the outcome of my numbers is consequential to NOT MUCH.
Then please stop posting them. Thanks.
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I actually dont pay anything, Bank - but carry on.
(yeah, I could see you stalking your neighbour's bird page - heh)
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Then please stop posting them. Thanks.
I could, Kam-a-lot - but then the masses would toss their egg salad at me if I dared mention a positive week,
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I actually dont pay anything, Bank - but carry on.
(yeah, I could see you stalking your neighbour's bird page - heh)
Kid-I understand you likely are just bulshitting us about your betting, but its you who have stated your bets, talked of your online betting accounts, your prowess at poker and other gambling pursuits, and bragged of your wagering wins when you have picked winners.
i get it you win huge bets when you win, but you wager nothing on losses.
I've no idea what the truth is, as you are a liar, but you lost all credibility years ago.
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Then please stop posting them. Thanks.
I could, Kam-a-lot - but then the masses would toss their egg salad at me if I dared mention a positive week,
Hey, a radical thought...
You could skip those, too!
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I actually dont pay anything, Bank - but carry on.
(yeah, I could see you stalking your neighbour's bird page - heh)
Kid-I understand you likely are just bulshitting us about your betting, but its you who have stated your bets, talked of your online betting accounts, your prowess at poker and other gambling pursuits, and bragged of your wagering wins when you have picked winners.
i get it you win huge bets when you win, but you wager nothing on losses.
I've no idea what the truth is, as you are a liar, but you lost all credibility years ago.
I do understand as well hat in your life you may be around all types of lying fucks.
I cannot help this - nor force you to believe anything I say.
As for actual cash - I am still in the black off my Liverpool +1200 bet on Champions League soccer from a year and change back. That was a good one, akin to Giants bet years ago in Vegas, which I recall was also double digit odds.
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as I said kid only bets when he "wins"
through week 10 of the 2020 NFL season
kid is 69-75 (almost 48%)
at 100 -110 betting
kid is down $1350
he's also lost (IIRC) $200 in his trifecta picks
so that's -$1550.
through week 10
then there was the thousands he lost wagering the MLB moneyline in a about a month of wagering
but as he was getting killed he quietly stopped posting about his MLB picks
but good thing he nailed Liverpool
thanks for proving my point kid
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No prob
The real money is the smart money
+1700 was the Giants bet - that's right. Pays to not just bet single games vs spread.
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Cardinals 31 Seahawks 28
Red lost to Blue, again.
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May 7, 2019 MLB forum
Thanks
Long season
You may recall I was about a +40 in games won in NBA when I stopped that exercise
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kid think's he's smart money
TFF
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kid think's he's smart money
TFF
A look inside kid's wallet reveals...
(https://rlv.zcache.com/trump_phony_as_a_three_dollar_bill_sign-ra316ea8955154fbaa58fc04b3440ffe9_fomuw_704.jpg?rlvnet=1)
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kid think's he's smart money
TFF
Finished 139-114 vs the spread here a year back.
I have always done fairly well.
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kid think's he's smart money
TFF
Finished 139-114 vs the spread here a year back.
I have always done fairly well.
No kid you have not always done fairly well.
Thats a lie.
Kid-In almost 25 years of playing in various pick 'em contests with you, you have almost always fared poorly. Random luck would suggest you'd win a few times n a small community, but you were unusually consistently unsuccessful. Baseball, football, or basketball, pros or college it didn't matter. You lost.
Your stupidity defeats random probability and the law of averages.
You are the epitome of the law of below average.
HEH.
That you cite with no documentation, a claimed winning % about 55% ATS one year, as a high water mark, when the average person would randomly get 50% correct ATS, and you need to win almost 53% to win money, speaks volume how fucking clueless you are.
You are the antithesis of smart money.
You are dumb money.
You are the rube at the table.
That you don't know it, is both hilarious and pathetic.
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The gap between 50-53-55% is IMMENSE
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The gap between 50-53-55% is IMMENSE
Yes it is.
The difference pays the house
50% is what the average dolt should get picking randomly.
with the vig the average dolt needs 53% to break-even.
55% gets you into the house money
You lost $1500 so far at 47%.
You're the rube at the table.
You're paying the house's rent.
TFF
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An ENTIRE SLATE - 250+ games - at 55% vs the spread? Please. That's epic.
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39 of the top 71 handicappers this year are under 55% - and they only have to pick their top 2 games each week
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An ENTIRE SLATE - 250+ games - at 55% vs the spread? Please. That's epic.
And self-reported.
I'm told Trump won a huge victory, too, Kid.
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An ENTIRE SLATE - 250+ games - at 55% vs the spread? Please. That's epic.
That would be above average (50% and slightly into the money)
And your 47% through week 10 is below average and has produced a loss of around $1500.
If I use your demonstrated 25 years of incompetence in sports handicapping as a guide I would say its improbably you would pick 55% for a full season.
and you are lying.
Though given enough years and enough monkeys and enough typewriters a monkey will eventually type Romeo & Juliet.
If I were to draw a normal distribution of 71 anythings, 35 would be above and 35 below the mean.
Your 39 # tells me little of your select universe of 71 handicappers.
Were 32 of the top 71 above 55% but hundreds of non-top handicappers between 40 and 50%?
You've presented meaningless #s.
If you are insinuating you are a top handicapper, you are not.
Not remotely close.
You do not have the skills.
You're just a monkey banging at a typewriter.
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It would be very tough without working at it.
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It would be very tough without working at it.
I know.
But diligence alone is not enough.
And it explains in part your below average handicapping skills and poor results,
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Just 1 example - finding out Russ was 8-1 on Thursday nights - now 9-1 - after the game ended.
Thinking on the given numbers does not guarantee success of course as many pros show each week/year
I pick the games quite quickly and for fun. And you play your role - in a need to diminish it as much as you can.
Fail.
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Just 1 example - finding out Russ was 8-1 on Thursday nights - now 9-1 - after the game ended.
Thinking on the given numbers does not guarantee success of course as many pros show each week/year
I pick the games quite quickly and for fun. And you play your role - in a need to diminish it as much as you can.
Fail.
Kid I bust your balls because you serially misrepresent and lie about your picks and have for years.
if you could own your mistakes no one would begrudge you your wins.
But you can't.
You're too weak to admit your mistakes.
Its obvious you pick games quickly and without much thought or analysis.
It is just a game, but you applied $ to your picks and presented as if you were smart money.
But that wasn't close to true.
You are not Sam Ace Rothstein nor Jimmy the Greek
Just Timmy the very weak and stupid.
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Zero analysis of the games. 100% analysis of kid's picks.
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Kam - you are a Giants fan, right? Why so shy?
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I post Giants stuff mainly in the Giants forum.
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Contest scores
Week 11
11/19 8:20 ET Seattle -3 Cardinals 58 28-31 L
11/22 1:00 ET Cleveland -3.5 Eagles 48 24-17
11/22 1:00 ET New Orleans -5 Falcons 51 27-21
11/22 1:00 ET Carolina -3 Lions 49 28-24
11/22 1:00 ET Patriots -2 Houston 48 24-21
11/22 1:00 ET Steelers -10 Jacksonville 47.5 31-20
11/22 1:00 ET Washington -1.5 Bengals 46.5 24-27
11/22 1:00 ET Baltimore -6.5 Titans 49 24-20
11/22 4:05 ET LA Chargers -9 Jets 47 31-17
11/22 4:05 ET Dolphins -5.5 Denver 45 23-21
11/22 4:25 ET Indianapolis -2.5 Packers 51.5 27-31
11/22 4:25 ET Minnesota -7.5 Cowboys 48 27-17
11/22 8:20 ET Chiefs -6.5 Las Vegas 57 27-24
11/23 8:15 ET Tampa Bay -3.5 Rams 47.5 21-24
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Parlay -
Titans, Chargers, Rams
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Eagles lose. NFC East tightens up.
heh
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https://sports.yahoo.com/the-bengals-failed-joe-burrow-and-the-nfl-is-worse-for-it-045408639.html
Do you agree?
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https://sports.yahoo.com/the-bengals-failed-joe-burrow-and-the-nfl-is-worse-for-it-045408639.html
Do you agree?
I don't agree. Or maybe I don't understand. What were the Bengals supposed to do... not expose a QB to this offensive line? Someone has to take the hits.
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Bengals are 2-7-1 with just 2 losses being blowouts
Their attempt to be a playoff team this year or build a winning culture (read - try to win games even after it appears you are eliminated) shouldn't be criticized.
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Tom Brady, ASSHOLE EXTRAORDINAIRE!
https://nypost.com/2020/11/24/tom-brady-no-longer-getting-a-pass-for-his-bush-league-antics/ (https://nypost.com/2020/11/24/tom-brady-no-longer-getting-a-pass-for-his-bush-league-antics/)
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Tampa Tom lost his manners.
Not a good look for the GOAT
Giselle should give him a stern talking to.
Pats should lose a couple of draft picks.
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I was watching the game off-on and TB12 looked way off. He was missing pretty badly on his intermediate and long throws.
But even still, with 2:40 left (whatever) I figured he was a lock to a minimum get into OT.
Nope.
bad game and bad manners for TB12
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Brady had been 10-3 when facing the leagues #1 defense
But also just 1-5 his last six in primetime
Trends are funny
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Tampa Tom lost his manners.
Not a good look for the GOAT
Giselle should give him a stern talking to.
Pats should lose a couple of draft picks.
He's a sore loser. Always has been.
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Brady had been 10-3 when facing the leagues #1 defense
But also just 1-5 his last six in primetime
Trends are funny
it may be past his bedtime.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/25/us/ravens-steelers-thanksgiving-postponed-spt-trnd/index.html
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WEEK 12
11/26 12:30 ET Texans -3 Detroit 51.5
11/26 4:30 ET Dallas -3 Washington Football Team 46
11/26 8:20 ET Steelers -4.5 Baltimore 45 - POSTPONED - MORE TO COME AS WE KNOW MORE
11/29 1:00 ET Raiders -3 Atlanta 55.5
11/29 1:00 ET Cardinals -2.5 New England 49.5
11/29 1:00 ET Giants -5.5 Cincinnati 42.5
11/29 1:00 ET Browns -6 Jacksonville 49
11/29 1:00 ET Minnesota -4.5 Panthers 47
11/29 1:00 ET Indianapolis -3.5 Titans 51
11/29 1:00 ET Buffalo -5.5 Chargers 53.5
11/29 1:00 ET Dolphins -7 New York Jets 44.5
11/29 4:05 ET Saints -5.5 Denver 43.5
11/29 4:05 ET Los Angeles Rams -7 49ers 46.5
11/29 4:25 ET Chiefs -3.5 Tampa Bay 56
11/29 8:20 ET Green Bay -7.5 Bears 45
11/30 8:15 ET Seahawks -5.5 Philadelphia 51
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11/26 12:30 ET Texans -3 Detroit 51.5. 28-24
11/26 4:30 ET Dallas -3 Washington Football Team 46. 21-17
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Thought about parlaying all 4 - Hou/over with Dal/under for 50 Looks good thus far.
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Getting crushed on Thanksgiving-Matt Patricia's swan song
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Someone please tell McCarthy this is for the division.
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this game flipped fast.
Jerra called the fake punt
heh
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Wide open for Giants
Dallas is a tough read week to week.
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Hail to the Redskins
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Hail to the Redskins
Um..they don't exist anymore, Paleface.
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Heard a nice idea today
Ravens FORFEIT this week due to the horrific actions of their ass coach
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Question asked elsewhere:
"Let's say the Steelers end the season 19-0. Super Bowl champs in a record breaking season.
"Will there be a Covid-19 asterisk in the record books?? Should there be?"
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I'd take Seattle in tomorrow's game.
For a lot.
The Broncos have no available QB for tomorrow. All 3 on their roster have Covid related issues
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Pats fined $350K for covid-19 violations
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/11/29/sports/patriots-fined-350000-covid-19-protocol-violations/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/11/29/sports/patriots-fined-350000-covid-19-protocol-violations/)
The Patriots were fined $350,000 by the NFL last month for violating the league’s COVID-19 protocols, a league source told the Globe Sunday morning.
The Patriots were fined because players weren’t properly wearing masks at the team facility, per the source.
The Patriots are one of a handful of teams that has been punished for violating the NFL’s COVID protocols. This month the Raiders were fined $500,000 and docked a sixth-round pick for repeated violations, and the Saints were fined $500,000 and docked a seventh-rounder. The Titans also have been fined $350,000 and the Steelers $250,000.
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WEEK 12
11/26 12:30 ET Texans -3 Detroit 51.5
11/26 4:30 ET Dallas -3 Washington Football Team 46
11/26 8:20 ET Steelers -4.5 Baltimore 45 - POSTPONED - MORE TO COME AS WE KNOW MORE
11/29 1:00 ET Raiders -3 Atlanta 55.5. 31-24
11/29 1:00 ET Cardinals -2.5 New England 49.5. 26-23
11/29 1:00 ET Giants -5.5 Cincinnati 42.5. 27-19
11/29 1:00 ET Browns -6 Jacksonville 49. 27-17
11/29 1:00 ET Minnesota -4.5 Panthers 47. 31-27
11/29 1:00 ET Indianapolis -3.5 Titans 51. 24-21
11/29 1:00 ET Buffalo -5.5 Chargers 53.5. 34-27
11/29 1:00 ET Dolphins -7 New York Jets 44.5. 26-23
11/29 4:05 ET Saints -5.5 Denver 43.5. 27-10
11/29 4:05 ET Los Angeles Rams -7 49ers 46.5. 30-20
11/29 4:25 ET Chiefs -3.5 Tampa Bay 56. 28-21
11/29 8:20 ET Green Bay -7.5 Bears 45 27-17
11/30 8:15 ET Seahawks -5.5 Philadelphia 51. 31-21
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Steelers 24-17 if they play
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Steelers 24-17 if they play
11/26 8:20 ET Steelers -4.5 Baltimore 45 - POSTPONED - MORE TO COME AS WE KNOW MORE
kid that line now is -10
not -4.5
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Pats with a W as the clock hits 0:00
G-Men with a big win to take command of the wide-open NFC East!
Jets remain the J-E-T-S and remain in the lead for Trevor
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17-0 Chiefs, still in QTR 1.
TB who?
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Tom should play better D.
He's too slow to cover Hill one-on-one, he needs safety help over the top
and one on the side
both sides
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I see the refs let the Bucs back in.
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after the tsunami in the 1st qtr it turned into a decent game
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Brady remembered to shake hands. In a loss.
Amazing.
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Giselle yelled at him
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Back door cover?
Real money KC bettors irate.
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I'd take Seattle in tomorrow's game.
For a lot.
The Broncos have no available QB for tomorrow. All 3 on their roster have Covid related issues
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2920143-broncos-reportedly-wanted-coach-rob-calabrese-to-start-at-qb-nfl-denied-request
I agree with the Broncos - the NFL was unreasonable, whether it was the refusal to let Calabrese play or the refusal to let them move the game.
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The Arizona 49ers.
Has a certain ring to it, huh?
Kind of like the Utah Jazz.
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The Arizona 49ers.
Has a certain ring to it, huh?
Kind of like the Utah Jazz.
Or the Atlanta Braves or LA Dodgers or the SF Giants. Brooklyn Nets. Indianapolis Colts.
Shall we go on?
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more like
The Buffalo Blue Jays
or the Tampa Raptors
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The Arizona 49ers.
Has a certain ring to it, huh?
Kind of like the Utah Jazz.
Or the Atlanta Braves or LA Dodgers or the SF Giants. Brooklyn Nets. Indianapolis Colts.
Shall we go on?
No, the Braves are not the same kind of issue as there were Native Americans in GA. The Giants have no place affiliation. The Dodgers could have been, given their origins of dodging the trolley cars, but I think the Lakers are a far better example - named for the 10,000 lakes! Nets can be anywhere. So can Cubs or Lions or Tigers, since they are misfit animals, regardless of location. Athletics, too. Philly, KC, Oakland, Las Vegas, you name it and people can be athletic.
And the Colts would be a good example, except that almost nobody remembers why they were the Colts in Bal'more, either!
The Tennessee Oilers would be another fine example.
I have no problems with either the Buffalo Blue Jays or the Tampa Raptors, for all that the names feel odd right now, as I imagine there are blue jays in Buffalo and I know there are Raptors in Tampa. The Tampa Yankees, OTOH, were always an oddness! And Red, White, and Blue Sox can go wherever they please as can Reds, Grays, or whatever color you wish.
It's the misfit between the cause of the original name and the current location that maintained that name that prompts my comparison, not merely that the team was dislocated.
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Baltimore is horse country. Lots of champion thoroughbreds from there.
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Baltimore is also the land of COVID-19 listed football players.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/us/ravens-steelers-covid-cases-spt-trnd/index.html
The Baltimore Infections, maybe...
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The Arizona 49ers.
Has a certain ring to it, huh?
Kind of like the Utah Jazz.
Or the Atlanta Braves or LA Dodgers or the SF Giants. Brooklyn Nets. Indianapolis Colts.
Shall we go on?
No, the Braves are not the same kind of issue as there were Native Americans in GA. The Giants have no place affiliation. The Dodgers could have been, given their origins of dodging the trolley cars, but I think the Lakers are a far better example - named for the 10,000 lakes! Nets can be anywhere. So can Cubs or Lions or Tigers, since they are misfit animals, regardless of location. Athletics, too. Philly, KC, Oakland, Las Vegas, you name it and people can be athletic.
And the Colts would be a good example, except that almost nobody remembers why they were the Colts in Bal'more, either!
The Tennessee Oilers would be another fine example.
I have no problems with either the Buffalo Blue Jays or the Tampa Raptors, for all that the names feel odd right now, as I imagine there are blue jays in Buffalo and I know there are Raptors in Tampa. The Tampa Yankees, OTOH, were always an oddness! And Red, White, and Blue Sox can go wherever they please as can Reds, Grays, or whatever color you wish.
It's the misfit between the cause of the original name and the current location that maintained that name that prompts my comparison, not merely that the team was dislocated.
New York Rangers. Still doesn't work. No more than the Boston Cowboys would or the Pittsburgh Pirates does.
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The Arizona 49ers.
Has a certain ring to it, huh?
Kind of like the Utah Jazz.
Or the Atlanta Braves or LA Dodgers or the SF Giants. Brooklyn Nets. Indianapolis Colts.
Shall we go on?
No, the Braves are not the same kind of issue as there were Native Americans in GA. The Giants have no place affiliation. The Dodgers could have been, given their origins of dodging the trolley cars, but I think the Lakers are a far better example - named for the 10,000 lakes! Nets can be anywhere. So can Cubs or Lions or Tigers, since they are misfit animals, regardless of location. Athletics, too. Philly, KC, Oakland, Las Vegas, you name it and people can be athletic.
And the Colts would be a good example, except that almost nobody remembers why they were the Colts in Bal'more, either!
The Tennessee Oilers would be another fine example.
I have no problems with either the Buffalo Blue Jays or the Tampa Raptors, for all that the names feel odd right now, as I imagine there are blue jays in Buffalo and I know there are Raptors in Tampa. The Tampa Yankees, OTOH, were always an oddness! And Red, White, and Blue Sox can go wherever they please as can Reds, Grays, or whatever color you wish.
It's the misfit between the cause of the original name and the current location that maintained that name that prompts my comparison, not merely that the team was dislocated.
New York Rangers. Still doesn't work. No more than the Boston Cowboys would or the Pittsburgh Pirates does.
Boston Cowboys wouldn't work, no. New York Rangers has mystified me for a while, but I am sufficiently not into Hockey that I haven't looked it up. The Hartford Whalers was... odd.
The Pittsburgh Pirates come by their name honestly, though!
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2013/10/03/Let-s-Learn-From-the-Past-How-the-Pirates-got-their-name/stories/201310030085#:~:text=The%20Philadelphia%20team%20loudly%20protested,Pirates%20for%20the%201891%20season.
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The Arizona 49ers.
Has a certain ring to it, huh?
Kind of like the Utah Jazz.
Or the Atlanta Braves or LA Dodgers or the SF Giants. Brooklyn Nets. Indianapolis Colts.
Shall we go on?
No, the Braves are not the same kind of issue as there were Native Americans in GA. The Giants have no place affiliation. The Dodgers could have been, given their origins of dodging the trolley cars, but I think the Lakers are a far better example - named for the 10,000 lakes! Nets can be anywhere. So can Cubs or Lions or Tigers, since they are misfit animals, regardless of location. Athletics, too. Philly, KC, Oakland, Las Vegas, you name it and people can be athletic.
And the Colts would be a good example, except that almost nobody remembers why they were the Colts in Bal'more, either!
The Tennessee Oilers would be another fine example.
I have no problems with either the Buffalo Blue Jays or the Tampa Raptors, for all that the names feel odd right now, as I imagine there are blue jays in Buffalo and I know there are Raptors in Tampa. The Tampa Yankees, OTOH, were always an oddness! And Red, White, and Blue Sox can go wherever they please as can Reds, Grays, or whatever color you wish.
It's the misfit between the cause of the original name and the current location that maintained that name that prompts my comparison, not merely that the team was dislocated.
New York Rangers. Still doesn't work. No more than the Boston Cowboys would or the Pittsburgh Pirates does.
Boston Cowboys wouldn't work, no. New York Rangers has mystified me for a while, but I am sufficiently not into Hockey that I haven't looked it up. The Hartford Whalers was... odd.
The Pittsburgh Pirates come by their name honestly, though!
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2013/10/03/Let-s-Learn-From-the-Past-How-the-Pirates-got-their-name/stories/201310030085#:~:text=The%20Philadelphia%20team%20loudly%20protested,Pirates%20for%20the%201891%20season.
the Hartford Whalers were originally The New England Whalers playing in Boston for their first 2or 3 years (early 70s).
Whaling in NE seems legit, as does Hurricanes which was their name when they moved to North Carolina.
Maple Leafs could work in most places in North America, but the Canadiens seems somewhat limited to north of the our border and southern Florida.
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The Arizona 49ers.
Has a certain ring to it, huh?
Kind of like the Utah Jazz.
Or the Atlanta Braves or LA Dodgers or the SF Giants. Brooklyn Nets. Indianapolis Colts.
Shall we go on?
No, the Braves are not the same kind of issue as there were Native Americans in GA. The Giants have no place affiliation. The Dodgers could have been, given their origins of dodging the trolley cars, but I think the Lakers are a far better example - named for the 10,000 lakes! Nets can be anywhere. So can Cubs or Lions or Tigers, since they are misfit animals, regardless of location. Athletics, too. Philly, KC, Oakland, Las Vegas, you name it and people can be athletic.
And the Colts would be a good example, except that almost nobody remembers why they were the Colts in Bal'more, either!
The Tennessee Oilers would be another fine example.
I have no problems with either the Buffalo Blue Jays or the Tampa Raptors, for all that the names feel odd right now, as I imagine there are blue jays in Buffalo and I know there are Raptors in Tampa. The Tampa Yankees, OTOH, were always an oddness! And Red, White, and Blue Sox can go wherever they please as can Reds, Grays, or whatever color you wish.
It's the misfit between the cause of the original name and the current location that maintained that name that prompts my comparison, not merely that the team was dislocated.
New York Rangers. Still doesn't work. No more than the Boston Cowboys would or the Pittsburgh Pirates does.
Boston Cowboys wouldn't work, no. New York Rangers has mystified me for a while, but I am sufficiently not into Hockey that I haven't looked it up. The Hartford Whalers was... odd.
The Pittsburgh Pirates come by their name honestly, though!
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2013/10/03/Let-s-Learn-From-the-Past-How-the-Pirates-got-their-name/stories/201310030085#:~:text=The%20Philadelphia%20team%20loudly%20protested,Pirates%20for%20the%201891%20season.
the Hartford Whalers were originally The New England Whalers playing in Boston for their first 2or 3 years (early 70s).
Whaling in NE seems legit, as does Hurricanes which was their name when they moved to North Carolina.
Maple Leafs could work in most places in North America, but the Canadiens seems somewhat limited to north of the our border and southern Florida.
Whaling in Boston seemed legit. New Haven would have worked. Hartford? It was mocked at the time and deservedly so. Bad enough that it made this list of worst sports team names, at #10, just below the UTAH Jazz. They are only fortunate to have been on a list including college/university teams.
After all, we cannot all be the Banana Slugs! (Or the Horny Toads, for that matter, but they aren't on the list!)
https://fansided.com/2014/06/23/10-worst-ridiculous-sports-team-names-ever/2/
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The Arizona 49ers.
Has a certain ring to it, huh?
Kind of like the Utah Jazz.
Or the Atlanta Braves or LA Dodgers or the SF Giants. Brooklyn Nets. Indianapolis Colts.
Shall we go on?
No, the Braves are not the same kind of issue as there were Native Americans in GA. The Giants have no place affiliation. The Dodgers could have been, given their origins of dodging the trolley cars, but I think the Lakers are a far better example - named for the 10,000 lakes! Nets can be anywhere. So can Cubs or Lions or Tigers, since they are misfit animals, regardless of location. Athletics, too. Philly, KC, Oakland, Las Vegas, you name it and people can be athletic.
And the Colts would be a good example, except that almost nobody remembers why they were the Colts in Bal'more, either!
The Tennessee Oilers would be another fine example.
I have no problems with either the Buffalo Blue Jays or the Tampa Raptors, for all that the names feel odd right now, as I imagine there are blue jays in Buffalo and I know there are Raptors in Tampa. The Tampa Yankees, OTOH, were always an oddness! And Red, White, and Blue Sox can go wherever they please as can Reds, Grays, or whatever color you wish.
It's the misfit between the cause of the original name and the current location that maintained that name that prompts my comparison, not merely that the team was dislocated.
New York Rangers. Still doesn't work. No more than the Boston Cowboys would or the Pittsburgh Pirates does.
Boston Cowboys wouldn't work, no. New York Rangers has mystified me for a while, but I am sufficiently not into Hockey that I haven't looked it up. The Hartford Whalers was... odd.
The Pittsburgh Pirates come by their name honestly, though!
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2013/10/03/Let-s-Learn-From-the-Past-How-the-Pirates-got-their-name/stories/201310030085#:~:text=The%20Philadelphia%20team%20loudly%20protested,Pirates%20for%20the%201891%20season.
the Hartford Whalers were originally The New England Whalers playing in Boston for their first 2or 3 years (early 70s).
Whaling in NE seems legit, as does Hurricanes which was their name when they moved to North Carolina.
Maple Leafs could work in most places in North America, but the Canadiens seems somewhat limited to north of the our border and southern Florida.
How do you feel about the Canucks?!
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I always thought it a weird team name. As a kid I remember thinking that reference to Canadians had a somewhat derogatory meaning.
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I always thought it a weird team name. As a kid I remember thinking that reference to Canadians had a somewhat derogatory meaning.
And it did and does. It contains a slur against the Natives, for good measure.
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The Eagles, from NRA era, look like they made a big mistake in signing Wentz.
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Reminder
Ravens- Steelers kick-off today at 3:40pm
line is Steelers -10.5
it was never 4.5 as kid seems to think-originally, pre covid cancellation, it was IIRC a -7.5 game
o-u is 42.5
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New York Rangers. Still doesn't work. No more than the Boston Cowboys would or the Pittsburgh Pirates does.
New York Rangers has mystified me for a while
The Rangers are new york born but because they had a "Tex" in their front office they were nick named "Tex's Rangers". The name stuck!
https://www.nhl.com/rangers/team/birth-of-the-rangers (https://www.nhl.com/rangers/team/birth-of-the-rangers)
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the line on the Steeler game is -10,5
it was never the -4.5 you have listed
If I was betting the game today I would care
Pretty sure you could have laid 4.5 last week.
e Baltimore Ravens went from being a +5.5 underdog coming into what was supposed to be their Thanksgiving Day game against the undefeated Pittsburgh Steelers to now being a +10 dog in what will be a rare Wednesday night game
http://www.gambling911.com/Ravens-Line-Goes-From-5.5-to-10.html
The point was when you picked your Pitt 24-17 score the line was already -10
But you maintained the -4.5 spread well after the line had moved.
You were being dishonest.
SSDD
as I'm keeping your totals for you I'll carry it as a no-bet or you can bet the -10 line
your choice.
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But you maintained the -4.5 spread well after the line had moved.
I dont apologize for using the contest line, as I do each week
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If you are interested in the live number
https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/live
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But you maintained the -4.5 spread well after the line had moved.
I dont apologize for using the contest line, as I do each week
2nspl.com
I didn't ask for your apology I asked you to bet the line
you were told when you posted your 24-17 Pitt prediction with a -4.5 line, the line at that time was already -10.
You had several days to make a decision at the real line, -10
you chose not to.
today the last I looked it was Pitt -10.5
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)
12/02 3:40 PM
281 Baltimore
282 Pittsburgh
open 10.5 consenus 10.5
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New York Rangers. Still doesn't work. No more than the Boston Cowboys would or the Pittsburgh Pirates does.
New York Rangers has mystified me for a while
The Rangers are new york born but because they had a "Tex" in their front office they were nick named "Tex's Rangers". The name stuck!
https://www.nhl.com/rangers/team/birth-of-the-rangers (https://www.nhl.com/rangers/team/birth-of-the-rangers)
I always assumed it was a reference to the Dunedain but I am geeky like that.
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If you are interested in the live number
https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/live
It was interesting I took a look at FanDuel right before the pick-6 and I saw the # slot (which was -10.5) go blank with a lock on it
and then when I watched the pick 6 the line re-opened at -16.5.
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Well yeah that is what live betting amounts to
May see a new Ravens QB in this one.
Under not looking good but who knows thus far
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Coulda just had 9.5. Now its 11.5
Over the ever so slight favorite
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sloppy clock mgmt there by Ravens cost them some points
strange half lot of points left on the field
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What was really strange was Doug Pederson's move going for 2 the other day. Killed a lotta bettors' dreams of cashing in. One dude had bet $500K on Seattle, but the Eagles going for and getting the 2 made sure the Seahawks didn't cover, and the bookies cleaned up. And that dude is out 1/2 a mil.
Stupid to bet on others' actions.
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Its actually been a bit of the norm in thr NFL lately. It's based on analytics. Take the shot at 2 points, thus you can win it your next TD, rather than needing a third score in OT.
Wasnt just Doug looking to top the spread - or screw anyone
(likely you knew this - but yeah, I am glad I was giving just 5.5)
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WEEK 13
12/06 1:00 ET Chicago -3 Lions 45
12/06 1:00 ET Miami -11 Bengals 42
12/06 1:00 ET Colts -3 Houston 53
12/06 1:00 ET Minnesota -9.5 Jaguars 52
12/06 1:00 ET Raiders -7.5 New York Jets 47
12/06 1:00 ET Saints -3 Atlanta 46
12/06 1:00 ET Tennessee -6 Browns 54.5
12/06 4:05 ET Seattle -9 Giants 47.5
12/06 4:05 ET Rams -3 Arizona 48.5
12/06 4:25 ET Green Bay -9 Eagles 48.5
12/06 4:25 ET Los Angeles Chargers -2.5 Patriots 47
12/06 8:20 ET Kansas City -14 Broncos 50.5
12/07 5:00 ET Pittsburgh -10.5 Washington Football Team 44.5
12/07 8:15 ET Bills -2.5 San Francisco 48
12/08 8:00 ET Baltimore -7.5 Cowboys 44.5
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I look at Kid's NFL forecasts the way I look at Trump's hurricane forecasts.
Full of sound and fury and signifying nothing.
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WEEK 13
12/06 1:00 ET Chicago -3 Lions 45. 23-19
12/06 1:00 ET Miami -11 Bengals 42. 27-13
12/06 1:00 ET Colts -3 Houston 53. 31-27
12/06 1:00 ET Minnesota -9.5 Jaguars 52. 27-20
12/06 1:00 ET Raiders -7.5 New York Jets 47. 27-19
12/06 1:00 ET Saints -3 Atlanta 46. 24_20
12/06 1:00 ET Tennessee -6 Browns 54.5. 27-24
12/06 4:05 ET Seattle -9 Giants 47.5. 31-20
12/06 4:05 ET Rams -3 Arizona 48.5. 28-24
12/06 4:25 ET Green Bay -9 Eagles 48.5. 34-20
12/06 4:25 ET Los Angeles Chargers -2.5 Patriots 47. 21-24
12/06 8:20 ET Kansas City -14 Broncos 50.5. 34-17
12/07 5:00 ET Pittsburgh -10.5 Washington Football Team 44.5. 28-14
12/07 8:15 ET Bills -2.5 San Francisco 48. 21-24
12/08 8:00 ET Baltimore -7.5 Cowboys 44.5. 27-17
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Playing the Fox pick 6 with Bradshaw? Win a million for free.
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This just in -
the Jets are bad.
(Boomer asks on the air if Jets purposely lost. Could be)
If Johnsons are pissed over the embarrassment - more than he is happy to get a new top flight QB - Gase is fired this week - and Williams with him
Sadly, Jets looked more of a team this week.
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Boomer with the hot take that he'll play with tomorrow AM- Jets threw the game.
INTEGRITY of the shield!
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G-Men with nice road upset win!
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G-Men with nice road upset win!
First NFC East win against a .500 team.
And they did it in Seattle with their backup QB.
They even beat the refs.
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G-Men with nice road upset win!
First NFC East win against a .500 team.
And they did it in Seattle with their backup QB.
They even beat the refs.
Wilson looked like he was under pressure all day
G-Men's D played great and took a lot off preesure off McCoy and the offense,
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G-Men with nice road upset win!
First NFC East win against a .500 team.
And they did it in Seattle with their backup QB.
They even beat the refs.
Wilson looked like he was under pressure all day
G-Men's D played great and took a lot off preesure off McCoy and the offense,
Yep, that looked like a Parcells type win. Good D, great linebacker play, coverage sacks, and running the football well enough to win.
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G-Men with nice road upset win!
First NFC East win against a .500 team.
And they did it in Seattle with their backup QB.
They even beat the refs.
Wilson looked like he was under pressure all day
G-Men's D played great and took a lot off preesure off McCoy and the offense,
Yep, that looked like a Parcells type win. Good D, great linebacker play, coverage sacks, and running the football well enough to win.
The OLine and the DLine both showed up. Took a ton of pressure off McCoy.
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G-Men with nice road upset win!
First NFC East win against a .500 team.
And they did it in Seattle with their backup QB.
They even beat the refs.
Wilson looked like he was under pressure all day
G-Men's D played great and took a lot off preesure off McCoy and the offense,
Yep, that looked like a Parcells type win. Good D, great linebacker play, coverage sacks, and running the football well enough to win.
The OLine and the DLine both showed up. Took a ton of pressure off McCoy.
Let's consider, too, that Seattle has been overrated all season long.
A Washington win, tomorrow, and a Dallas loss on Tuesday, puts the two teams that no one expected to compete in the drivers' seats for the Division title. Who made that bet?
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G-Men with nice road upset win!
Wait. THIS wasn't a lock?
12/06 4:05 ET Seattle -9 Giants 47.5. 31-20
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G-Men with nice road upset win!
First NFC East win against a .500 team.
And they did it in Seattle with their backup QB.
They even beat the refs.
Wilson looked like he was under pressure all day
G-Men's D played great and took a lot off preesure off McCoy and the offense,
Yep, that looked like a Parcells type win. Good D, great linebacker play, coverage sacks, and running the football well enough to win.
The OLine and the DLine both showed up. Took a ton of pressure off McCoy.
Let's consider, too, that Seattle has been overrated all season long.
A Washington win, tomorrow, and a Dallas loss on Tuesday, puts the two teams that no one expected to compete in the drivers' seats for the Division title. Who made that bet?
2020
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Boomer with the hot take that he'll play with tomorrow AM- Jets threw the game.
INTEGRITY of the shield!
J-E-T-S reportedly fire DC Gregg Williams on his end of game tankaloser blitz play call.
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If it works its genius! If it doesn't, hey, I thought you wanted Trevor Lawrence!
Meanwhile, the Browns are 9 - 3 with games against the Jests and the New York Football Giants sandwiched between Baltimore an PBurgh.
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I am playing Giants defense against your Browns in week 15 (1 v 4 playoff - Kid vs Whisk) - if you get by B and G.
I thought about tanking to avoid you.
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NFL has gone fucking haywire
Rivera goes on 4th and 1 from his own 35 vs league's #1 defense - in the SECOND FUCKING QUARTER!
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Mercury is about to pop the champagne
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WFT!!!
All we need is DalASS to lose tomorrow night.
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12/07 5:00 ET Pittsburgh -10.5 Washington Football Team 44.5. 28-14
Heh
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https://twitter.com/FakeSportsCentr/status/1336122258348191744?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/FakeSportsCentr/status/1336122258348191744?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
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Gotta check those Steelers tiebreakers with KC - though in our current state I would not be surprised to see this finish
KC - 15-1
Pitt - 14-2/13-3
Steelers even need to now be concerned with Buffalo for the 2 seed.
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Gotta check those Steelers tiebreakers with KC - though in our current state I would not be surprised to see this finish
KC - 15-1
Pitt - 14-2/13-3
Steelers even need to now be concerned with Buffalo for the 2 seed.
Not to mention their lead in the AFC North....
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Steelers have some interesting games to close out the season, The games at Buffalo and Clev, aren't gimmes. Indy could be a battle too.
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Bulletin Board material: The New York Giants (5-7) sit at atop the NFC East after their major upset of the Seahawks in Seattle on Sunday and now will host another ascending NFC West team this Sunday, the Arizona Cardinals (6-6), at MetLife Stadium.
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WFT is 5-7 as well. Giants own the tie-breaker but just the fact that they're tied might mean the G-men rush Jones back too soon. They can't be short-sighted. Might as well give Colt the keys for the rest of the season. He can game manage and the Giants can ask their defense and rushing game to do the heavy lifting. Against Seattle they did a lot of three tight-end sets where the tight ends lined up as extra blockers.
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Gotta check those Steelers tiebreakers with KC - though in our current state I would not be surprised to see this finish
KC - 15-1
Pitt - 14-2/13-3
Steelers even need to now be concerned with Buffalo for the 2 seed.
Not to mention their lead in the AFC North....
Lets not get crazy :)
Are you warming up to Baker yet?
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WFT is 5-7 as well. Giants own the tie-breaker but just the fact that they're tied might mean the G-men rush Jones back too soon. They can't be short-sighted. Might as well give Colt the keys for the rest of the season. He can game manage and the Giants can ask their defense and rushing game to do the heavy lifting. Against Seattle they did a lot of three tight-end sets where the tight ends lined up as extra blockers.
I think this HC thinks beyond that. Dallas loses. Lot of $$$ for 3-9 record.
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Just heard the Browns-Giants week 15 game (Dec 20) has been flexed to Sunday night
bumping 49ers Cowboys
2020 weird fucking year
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They can't be short-sighted. Might as well give Colt the keys for the rest of the season.
heh
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Just heard the Browns-Giants week 15 game (Dec 20) has been flexed to Sunday night
bumping 49ers Cowboys
2020 weird fucking year
Pick six - Peppers to the house - gives Kid the win over Whisk
Book it!
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Starting QBs in fantasy league playoffs
RODGERS
MURRAY
ROETHLISBERGER
MAHOMES
JACKSON
WATSON
Running backs
A GIBSON
J TAYLOR
A JONES
MCCAFREY
CHUBB
HENRY
GALLMAN
COOK
DU JOHNSON
CARSON
KAMARA
D HARRIS
DRAKE
D JOHNSON
wide receivers
GODWIN
AIYUK
COOKS
FULGHAM
T HILL
M JONES
JEFFERSON
LOCKETT
CLAYPOOL
JU JONES
WOODS
HOPKINS
DIGGS
K ALLEN
M THOMAS
KUPP
Play along if you like. Pick 1 QB 2 RB 3 WR and see if you beat any of our six playoff clubs
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Just heard the Browns-Giants week 15 game (Dec 20) has been flexed to Sunday night
bumping 49ers Cowboys
2020 weird fucking year
Ratings, ratings, ratings.
Good move by NBC.
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Yup
With everyone home or quarantiened for the holidays, NBC has a large captive audience that hasn't seen the G-Men play a meaninful game in prime time in awhile.
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Colt would likely shit the bed.
Big night for Dimes.
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NFL Line Week 14, 12/10-14, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
12/10 8:20 ET Los Angeles Rams -6 Patriots 44.5
12/13 1:00 ET Titans -7.5 Jacksonville 53.5
12/13 1:00 ET Cowboys -3.5 Cincinnati 43.5
12/13 1:00 ET Cardinals -2.5 New York Giants 44.5
12/13 1:00 ET Texans -1 Chicago Bears 44.5
12/13 1:00 ET Carolina -4 Broncos 47
12/13 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -6.5 Vikings 52.5
12/13 1:00 ET Chiefs -7.5 Miami 49
12/13 4:05 ET Colts -3 Las Vegas 51.5
12/13 4:05 ET Seattle -13.5 Jets 46.5
12/13 4:25 ET Packers -7.5 Detroit 55
12/13 4:25 ET Falcons -2.5 Los Angeles Chargers 49.5
12/13 4:25 ET Saints -7 Philadelphia 45
12/13 4:25 ET San Francisco -3.5 Washington Football Team 43.5
12/13 8:20 ET Buffalo -2.5 Steelers 46.5
12/14 8:15 ET Ravens -2.5 Cleveland 45.5
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Patriots 20 Rams 17
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Pats +6 seems a little high.
I got it as a FG game
so i'm taking the points
Pats got a lot of mileage last Sunday from a lot of great special teams play and a lot of defense and not much offense. IMO the Pats can contain the Rams (20-23 points) but I'm just not sure if the Pats offense can put up 3+ scores. If the Rams can jam the line and stop the run, the Pats have no passing game. I see a low defensive, field position game. So maybe special teams do play a larger rile and something funky can happen.
But two road wins in LA back to back seems a stretch, love to see it, but right now I have it
20-17 Rams
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It's early, yet, but Pats+6 seems like a bridge too far for how they have played for the first 7 minutes of the game! Pats+16, maybe.
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Patriots 9-0 on three days rest
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I'm guessing Brady played most of those.
every Ram running play is getting past the 2nd level to the 3rd and 4th level
Pats just getting run over
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WTF? Belli abondoning the run already, at 10-0?
(drop back, not even a rollout on 3rd and 2)
heh
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HARRIS is a beast. Hold that ball, young pup.
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and game
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Belli gettin schooled
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this level of QB play is hard to watch
Pats will not over Cam it.
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I guess Harris is hurt
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this level of QB play is hard to watch
Pats will not over Cam it.
They are lucky to be down only 14 points.
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Cam's internal clock is a fucking hourglass.
He holds the ball forever.
A competent QB and the Pats probably have a lead
balls said the queen..
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this level of QB play is hard to watch
Pats will not over Cam it.
They are lucky to be down only 14 points.
see post above
a half decent QB probably gets points out of the pick and the red zone possession and doesn't throw a pick-6.
Newton is not a competent QB.
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The Pats got run over on D in the 1st qtr, but with any kind of offense they could have been in this shit-show of a game.
Pats had 4 Red Zone possessions and had two turnovers on downs, a FG, and a pick-six. So in four trips to the Red Zone, they had a net point total of -4.
-4 points
Fucking brutal
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Belli night
Should have kicked the FG
Should have run the ball on second and 9
And he's underusing Harris
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Patriots 20 Rams 17
Kid is the George Costanza of NFL handicappers. Whatever he says just do the opposite.
Heh
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Cam's internal clock is a fucking hourglass.
He holds the ball forever.
A competent QB and the Pats probably have a lead
balls said the queen..
Time to fire the QB coach. Or hold the GM accountable.
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Maybe it's just time to fire the QB.
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Maybe it's just time to fire the QB.
IMO its time for Cam to sit and use the Pats last 3-games (against their AFC rivals) to see what Stidham can or can't do against teams the Pat play 6X every year.
I don't think Stid is the answer, but this is a good low-cost window to find out.
We'll get over Cam one day.
some sooner than others
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Maybe it's just time to fire the QB.
IMO its time for Cam to sit and use the Pats last 3-games (against their AFC rivals) to see what Stidham can or can't do against teams the Pat play 6X every year.
I don't think Stid is the answer, but this is a good low-cost window to find out.
We'll get over Cam one day.
some sooner than others
Maybe we can trade Cam for Wentz!
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Patriots 20 Rams 17
Kid is the George Costanza of NFL handicappers. Whatever he says just do the opposite.
Heh
Hit the under
Bet 220
Return 210
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Maybe it's just time to fire the QB.
IMO its time for Cam to sit and use the Pats last 3-games (against their AFC rivals) to see what Stidham can or can't do against teams the Pat play 6X every year.
I don't think Stid is the answer, but this is a good low-cost window to find out.
We'll get over Cam one day.
some sooner than others
Says the guy just dying to brag about his under 8.5 wins bet
heh
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Maybe it's just time to fire the QB.
IMO its time for Cam to sit and use the Pats last 3-games (against their AFC rivals) to see what Stidham can or can't do against teams the Pat play 6X every year.
I don't think Stid is the answer, but this is a good low-cost window to find out.
We'll get over Cam one day.
some sooner than others
Says the guy just dying to brag about his under 8.5 wins bet
heh
Kid I told you before the season started that I thought the Pats were a 8 or 9 win team at best when the wins # was 9.5 wins.
and i told you why I thought they were a 8-8 team and I put in on the offense and the lack of quality position players. along with my concerms about Newton.
and if the Pats win out (unlikely) they'll reach my ceiling of 9 wins
You on the other hand thought Newton would make Jules a star and bet a large premium on the over.
You need them to win out.
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heh
It was documented
8.5-9
I picked OVER for 8.5 and over for 9 before COVID Cam and the Edelman injury
You had under 8.5 and obviously also would be under 9.
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Obviously Bank you did a nice job knowing your team and its limitations
I valued Hoodie a bit more.
Lets see how it plays out.
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heh
It was documented
8.5-9
I picked OVER for 8.5 and over for 9 before COVID Cam and the Edelman injury
You had under 8.5 and obviously also would be under 9.
What was documented was you told this board when the Pats win # was 9.5 (it went from 8.5 to 9.5 on the Newton signing) you would buy down the # to 8,5 and play the over.
As I recall to get 8.5 when the # was 9.5, the required wager was around -160 and not the usual -110 to win 100.
so you paid a $50 premium to bet a lower over.
You need the Pats to win out, or you're out another $160.
I told it was a bad bet.
Good luck
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You did well
Know your team
I look forward to your thoughts on who the new QB should be/where Pats should go in draft
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I haven't watched much college football this year so outside of Trevor Lawrence I really don;t know who's who.
I'll watch the conference chapionships and some bowl games for mostly entertainment and get some idea of players.
The Pats have a lot of needs beyond QB.
If the Jets snag Lawrence and he sees himself as a Joisey guy, it will be interesting what they do with Darnold.
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I'll be looking for a Jets deal down
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I'll be looking for a Jets deal down
i don't think Woody Johnson & Johnson can get his hands on enough Band-Aids to stop the bleeding if they pass on Lawrence.
They will get killed by local and national media and their fans if they trade out of #1 pick (Lawrence).
if the Jets go winless and Lawrence comes out, they'll take him and trade Darnold.
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Likely
We watch as it plays out
Will be some interesting offers
You are very confident for someone who admittedly hasnt seen the other players much
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Likely
We watch as it plays out
Will be some interesting offers
You are very confident for someone who admittedly hasnt seen the other players much
I'm confident that very few teams trade out of a pick that could yield them a generational QB, and from what I've seen over the past 2-3 years, Lawrence is that guy.
The downside for fucking this up is too great for a franchise as mocked as the JETS are.
And I'll watch the conference championships and the bowl games to get some flavor, There have been very few games so far this year that has grabbed my attention. I like inter-conference games and there were basically none this year, and most of the good games are usually end of year. So I haven't missed much.
YMMV
But rest assured I've watched more games than tOSU has played.
heh
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Reporting the Metanoia by Jets on Mehta:https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/11/washington-post-takes-a-closer-look-at-manish-mehtas-departure-from-the-new-york-daily-news/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/11/washington-post-takes-a-closer-look-at-manish-mehtas-departure-from-the-new-york-daily-news/)
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But rest assured I've watched more games than tOSU has played.
LOL!
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And kid anytime you want to provide something to back-up your Jets trade down and out from Lawrence hot take, please do.
I don't see it.
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I'll be looking for a Jets deal down
I think Lawrence is the best QB prospect since at least Luck. I also think there is a devate as to whether the Jets pick up Darnold's fifth year, let alone give him a second contract. Especially at QB you do not pass on a prospect like Lawrence because you have someone you think with the right pieces around him might be good. Yes, the Jets need a lot but the single most important and hardest piece to find is a championship level QB.
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Jets dont get skewered enough for Darnold over Allen.
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heh
when kid has no answer to other's rebuttals of his hot takes , which is almost always, he changes the subject
TFF
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And kid anytime you want to provide something to back-up your Jets trade down and out from Lawrence hot take, please do.
You want me to back up that they have the opportunity to do this?
Darnold has underachieved as so many here's preferred pick to Barkley (heh). I would think Jets will think long and hard on going with Lawrence or another QB beginning next season.
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And kid anytime you want to provide something to back-up your Jets trade down and out from Lawrence hot take, please do.
You want me to back up that they have the opportunity to do this?
Darnold has underachieved as so many here's preferred pick to Barkley (heh). I would think Jets will think long and hard on going with Lawrence or another QB beginning next season.
if the Jets get the #1 I imagine they will be innundated with offers, and all with the goal of drafting Lawrence.
You said the Jets would trade out of the #1 and I and then Boz challenged you on it.
Lawrence seems to be as close to a face of the franchise stud QB as there has been since Luck.
and rather than support your opinion you changed the subject.
And ftr, as you likely recall, I thought Barkely at #2 for the G-Men was a mistake.
IMO they could have cashed that pick for a basket
He was a Bentley, a luxury car, for a team that had so many far more basic needs, and should have leased a Kia.
YMMV
happy motoring
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if the Jets get the #1 I imagine they will be innundated with offers, and all with the goal of drafting Lawrence. That's right
You said the Jets would trade out of the #1 and I and then Boz challenged you on it. No. Didnt say they would
Lawrence seems to be as close to a face of the franchise stud QB as there has been since Luck. Says Whisk - who I trust, yes
and rather than support your opinion you changed the subject. Support what opinion? That Jets have a chance to trade down and get multiples?
And ftr, as you likely recall, I thought Barkely at #2 for the G-Men was a mistake. I believe you, that is how I recall it from you and others - though (in looking back) that was wiped from the forum - and later when I said Saquon would have the biggest first year impact, you were silent
IMO they could have cashed that pick for a basket The #2? Surely they could have had multiple picks, yes - maybe even Allen. But pretty sure you (and the crowd) had us making the pick
He was a Bentley, a luxury car, for a team that had so many far more basic needs, and should have leased a Kia. no comment on this flimflam
YMMV Gesundheit
happy motoring thanks
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With 2020 overall No. 1 pick Joe Burrow showing promise, the Bengals will use their next premium draft pick to acquire their QB protection in the form of 247Sports' top offensive tackle on its 2021 draft-preview board: Penei Sewell. Sewell opted out of the 2020 college football season.
This guy would be a great Jet.
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if the Jets get the #1 I imagine they will be innundated with offers, and all with the goal of drafting Lawrence. That's right
You said the Jets would trade out of the #1 and I and then Boz challenged you on it. No. Didnt say they would
Lawrence seems to be as close to a face of the franchise stud QB as there has been since Luck. Says Whisk - who I trust, yes
and rather than support your opinion you changed the subject. Support what opinion? That Jets have a chance to trade down and get multiples?
And ftr, as you likely recall, I thought Barkely at #2 for the G-Men was a mistake. I believe you, that is how I recall it from you and others - though (in looking back) that was wiped from the forum - and later when I said Saquon would have the biggest first year impact, you were silent
IMO they could have cashed that pick for a basket The #2? Surely they could have had multiple picks, yes - maybe even Allen. But pretty sure you (and the crowd) had us making the pick
He was a Bentley, a luxury car, for a team that had so many far more basic needs, and should have leased a Kia. no comment on this flimflam
YMMV Gesundheit
happy motoring thanks
LMAO
when you press kid to support his hot takes he's shits his pants and spews bullshit
a shit fountain
SSDD
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Pick the entire slate today, Banks. Have some fun.
I think I am about $800 down for the year with the juice - but this doesnt factor in parlays. Decent run the last 4 weeks
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Pick the entire slate today, Banks. Have some fun.
I think I am about $800 down for the year with the juice - but this doesnt factor in parlays. Decent run the last 4 weeks
as I've told you a few billion times picking slates is not my thing-its a 50-50 coin flip that you pay a premium for.
its a loser's game.
and fwiw I've got you YTD at 92-96 in picks (through wk 13-doesn't include recent Pats loss)
and 1-10 in 3-team parlays
with -110, 100 betting as per you
96 losses
9.6 10% vig
losses 105.6
wins 92
net loss 1,360 on picks
parlay loss -300
yearly loss to date -1,660
best of luck
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Yeah....
I will have to sum up myself when I get the time. I thought about 96-95 was accurate...(-850), then minus 1-200 with parlays.
The 1-10 is definitely incorrect. I passed on at least three weeks
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Picking slates and coin flips definitely dissimilar. If you did 100 100 flip simulations, the range (heads minus tails) would be greater than with picks using supplied information (trends, injuries, weather, etc).
I will note that you not only DID begin to pick full slates in the 2018 season but looked to RUN the pool here at this site. So any aversion now is a change off what you "liked" to do in the past, reasons unknown and likely to be unstated.
Have a nice Sunday.
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As an alternative I invite you and others for the last 4 weeks of the season to give me 4 picks of mine you disagree with
This should be real easy for you to succeed at.
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Yeah....
I will have to sum up myself when I get the time. I thought about 96-95 was accurate...(-850), then minus 1-200 with parlays.
The 1-10 is definitely incorrect. I passed on at least three weeks
I will note that even at 92-97 it's not the end of the world. Not too bad a showing. BEST BETS would be the best measure. It would show the more likely +/- in actual dollars if given a bankroll. Maybe I will add that in next year
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Picking slates and coin flips definitely dissimilar. If you did 100 100 flip simulations, the range (heads minus tails) would be greater than with picks using supplied information (trends, injuries, weather, etc).
I will note that you not only DID begin to pick full slates in the 2018 season but looked to RUN the pool here at this site. So any aversion now is a change off what you "liked" to do in the past, reasons unknown and likely to be unstated.
Have a nice Sunday.
Kid I used the coin-flip comparison because its holds as a ATS gambling analogy.
Picking straight winners (aka moneyline betting) is a far different game that ATS.
ATS in essence give you a rough 50-50 probability of correctly picking winners and in that way it is similiar to the probability of predicting a fairly flipped coin,
ATS is set up that way at -110 line to make money for the house.
And I ran pools here as I recall on a straight win basis. IIRC one year I asked if there was any interest in an ATS pool and not one of regulars wanted to make that change. Too much work.
I think we might have done a yahoo run ATS play-off pool one year, but I don't really remember it clearly.
But I haven't run a pool here since you wet your pants in a 2016 over your attempt to past post a game. (Giants-St L Rams iin London)
and I docked you that game.
And you acted like a spoiled child
I found it wasn't worth the aggravation of running an "honor" pool when one of the players had no honor
And I told you I would never invite you to any pool or game I may run in the future.
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Dissimilar to coin tossing
Less variance.
Also a much greater chance of going broke if you bet $1500 on 3 games (500 each) per week than if you bet 100 on all 15, given, say....a 5 k bankroll.
Most pros bet high volume with small to pretty strong edges, given a pantload of info
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"I haven't run a pool here since 2016."
You attempted to, no takers - in 2018.
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By the way, re:. money line vs pints based betting - I will note that I have done both all season.
You can sum me up on winners if you like using moneyline though of course can't get a proper dollar figure.
When I was rocking all last year you were quite silent, U will add, as you have been the last three (winning) weeks after crowing about my earlier losing slates
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Kid
IMO you're a bullshitter and delusional, Nobody believes you. PERIOD.
I've seen your sports handicapping for about 25 years and to my knowledge, other than 1 KO pool, you've never won any competition held in that time, including my MLB and NFL pools, whiskey's college football bowl pools, March Madness and other group games.
And as to you moneyline baseball picks, as I recall a couple of years ago, you ran up around a $2,500 in losses in about a month into the season blamed the "system" and started over with a new and improved system and lost about $2,000 pretty quicky, and then stopped making picks.
Nonetheless, I and the other Elbanese, have heard endless stories of your great successes in other pools, games etc.
I've no doubt in some corner of the interweb you'll go 15-0 today.
Congrats in advance
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First off most pools, games I am in are documented
You don't get to run a successful no money fantasy league for the better part of twenty years, keep it alive, if the atmosphere isn't above board.
Fantasy football, basketball, baseball, pick ems - all the scoring is documented.
My two brags were in NFL national pick contests, of which you have all been invited to join. My performance has been mediocre all told - which is expected. The couple of times I have been up there in the ranks - yes - I posted some self-backslaps.
This included a great run last season, again - documented picks here - and not commented on by you as previously stated
I have zero problem with that silence - just chuckle at your jabs during my less impressive moments
You live your life on perceived misery of others - often not realizing there is no such misery. It's not a flaw of yours, but is certainly a trait
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As to my baseball moneyline losses - again - congratulations for noticing. And proving my point as you fail to include my huge NBA score - which I also ended early.
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"Nobody believes you, period"
What's to not believe? Spit it out. What falsehood are you accusing me of? If it's occasional poor quick math, that's a malady we share, pal.
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"Nobody believes you, period"
What's to not believe? Spit it out. What falsehood are you accusing me of? If it's occasional poor quick math, that's a malady we share, pal.
You're an insecure liar who can not own your mistakes.
You appear to purposely mistate, lie and or obfuscate your picks and always to your benefit.
When you past posted that Giants London game (2016) after the 1st half was over, and docked for it, you could not accept the simple fact you did not play by generally understood rules. and then after weeks of bitching about it eventually blamed me of irregular accounting and cooking the books.
Until whiskey and yank vouched for the #s your idiotic poor sportsmanship continued.
More recently last week you picked Pitt at -4, a line that never existed and it was pointed out to you the line was -10 but you picked the fake -4 anyway) I could fill-in the gaps, but its a waste of time. However this AM provides a more recent example of your bullshit.
again congrats on 15-0.
SSDD
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As to my baseball moneyline losses - again - congratulations for noticing. And proving my point as you fail to include my huge NBA score - which I also ended early.
kid I don't regularly post on the Knicks forum, unless there is a Celt item to talk about, so if you made a killing betting the NBA, awesome.
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NFL Line Week 14, 12/10-14, 2020
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
12/10 8:20 ET Los Angeles Rams -6 Patriots 44.5. L
12/13 1:00 ET Titans -7.5 Jacksonville 53.5. 34-24
12/13 1:00 ET Cowboys -3.5 Cincinnati 43.5. 23-19
12/13 1:00 ET Cardinals -2.5 New York Giants 44.5. 21-24
12/13 1:00 ET Texans -1 Chicago Bears 44.5. 23-20
12/13 1:00 ET Carolina -4 Broncos 47. 27-21
12/13 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -6.5 Vikings 52.5. 33-21
12/13 1:00 ET Chiefs -7.5 Miami 49. 27-20
12/13 4:05 ET Colts -3 Las Vegas 51.5. 28-24
12/13 4:05 ET Seattle -13.5 Jets 46.5. 38-17
12/13 4:25 ET Packers -7.5 Detroit 55. 31-17
12/13 4:25 ET Falcons -2.5 Los Angeles Chargers 49.5. 28-24
12/13 4:25 ET Saints -7 Philadelphia 45. 27-17
12/13 4:25 ET San Francisco -3.5 Washington Football Team 43.5. 20-17
12/13 8:20 ET Buffalo -2.5 Steelers 46.5. 27-24
12/14 8:15 ET Ravens -2.5 Cleveland 45.5. 24-20
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Parlay
Tampa Bay
Indianapolis
Baltimore
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nice goal line D by G-Men
Cards were cut
G-men pulled an Ace
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Add Seattle to most liked though not in parlay. See if I can go 3-1
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Game on kiid.
Barring Nick Chubb fumbling 21 times tomorrow which Yahoo seems to think there is a 1% chance of.
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Rooting for injury wouldnt be cool, right?
I have some tough decisions next week, Sucks to have a bench
Allen/Rodgers
Gronk/Tonyan
Mostert/Hines (McCaffrey spits bit)
Dionte/Suggs/Hopkins/Woods (pick 3)
Stick with Giants D or take best FA
I fucked up letting go of Rams, who play Jets next week (OY)
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Rooting for injury wouldnt be cool, right?
Hell no. Especially since I need him healthy for non fantasy purposes.
I have some tough decisions next week, Sucks to have a bench
Allen/Rodgers
Gronk/Tonyan
Mostert/Hines (McCaffrey spits bit)
Dionte/Suggs/Hopkins/Woods (pick 3)
Stick with Giants D or take best FA
I fucked up letting go of Rams, who play Jets next week (OY)
I basically just try to juggle my 3rd WR/3rd RB. Otherwise, while I have good bench people my starter decisions are pretty easy. Thanks to raw dogs bailing on Chubb when he got hurt.
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Jeez - couldn't have scriped a fantasy matchup better
Brown TD on 4th and 5, Dobbins 2 pointer brings RawDog within 2 points at 120-118. RD has three Ravens. Favored Wolfpack just one player. The kicker, Justin "I don't often miss" Tucker.
WP wins if Cleveland stalls and Baltimore takes a knee for 42-35 win
But no - Mayfield has other notions. CLE ties it up and Ravens, with RB Dobbins, TE Andrews and receiver Brown set to look for yards leading to Game winner
Dobbins gets 2 more and Edwards 4, putting Rawgog ahead 124-120. If they keep getting yards he is golden
But WAIT! Ravens stall at the 38 - and would you believe it - J Tuck had a chance at not only a FG for Wolfpack but a FIVE pointer.
Money kick to Tucker, season saving win for BAL, heart wrenching 125-124 defeat to RawDog.
(Wolf moves on to take on Just Say Knowshon - that is our old friend URBANSHOCK, opposite the featured Kidcarter-Whisk other semi.
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Jeez - couldn't have scriped a fantasy matchup better
Brown TD on 4th and 5, Dobbins 2 pointer brings RawDog within 2 points at 120-118. RD has three Ravens. Favored Wolfpack just one player. The kicker, Justin "I don't often miss" Tucker.
WP wins if Cleveland stalls and Baltimore takes a knee for 42-35 win
But no - Mayfield has other notions. CLE ties it up and Ravens, with RB Dobbins, TE Andrews and receiver Brown set to look for yards leading to Game winner
Dobbins gets 2 more and Edwards 4, putting Rawgog ahead 124-120. If they keep getting yards he is golden
But WAIT! Ravens stall at the 38 - and would you believe it - J Tuck had a chance at not only a FG for Wolfpack but a FIVE pointer.
Money kick to Tucker, season saving win for BAL, heart wrenching 125-124 defeat to RawDog.
(Wolf moves on to take on Just Say Knowshon - that is our old friend URBANSHOCK, opposite the featured Kidcarter-Whisk other semi.
Story around town is the Cards are going to lean heavily on Fitz and use Hopkins primarily as a decoy. If I were you I'd sit him.
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Week 15
12/17 8:20 ET Las Vegas -3.5 Chargers 53
12/19 4:30 ET Bills -6.5 Denver 50
12/19 8:15 ET Green Bay -9 Panthers 51.5
12/20 1:00 ET Indianapolis -7 Texans 52.5
12/20 1:00 ET Tennessee -9 Lions 50.5
12/20 1:00 ET Buccaneers -6 Atlanta 50.5
12/20 1:00 ET Miami -2.5 Patriots 41
12/20 1:00 ET Seahawks -6 Washington 43.5
12/20 1:00 ET Minnesota -3 Bears 47
12/20 1:00 ET Baltimore -14 Jaguars 47.5
12/20 1:00 ET 49ers -3 Dallas 45
12/20 4:05 ET Los Angeles Rams -17 Jets 44.5
12/20 4:05 ET Arizona -6.5 Eagles 48
12/20 4:25 ET Chiefs -3.5 New Orleans 51.5
12/20 8:20 ET Browns -4 New York Giants 45.5
12/21 8:15 ET Steelers -13 Cincinnati 40.5
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Las Vegas 30 Chargers 24
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Trying to turn around a pretty lousy THU night run - keep a pretty good overall run moving.....
Come on, Rai-duhs!
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Ok let's try to get to 2-1.
Bills 31 Denver 20
Green Bay 34 Panthers 17
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1 pm scores
Indy 31 Hou 27
Tennessee 30 Lions 20
Bucks 27 Atlanta 19
Patriots 23 Miami 20
Seattle 24 Washington 17
Minnesota 27 Bears 23
Baltimore 31 Jags 10
Niners 24 Dallas 17
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Late scores
LA Rams 33 Jets 10
Arizona 27 Eagles 24
New Orleans 34 Kansas City 31
Cleveland 24 Giants 17
Steelers 31 Bengals 17
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That was a 10 point call reversal!
Cam Newton got very lucky.
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Did Cam fumble again in the red zone?
Mon Dieu'!
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For the balance of this freakin' season* I'm now a Bills fan
small market team
never won it
4 SB losses in a row
WIDE RIGHT
Then the Browns or Titans
and Tampa in the NFC
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For the balance of this freakin' season* I'm now a Bills fan
small market team
never won it
4 SB losses in a row
WIDE RIGHT
Then the Browns or Titans
and Tampa in the NFC
Sounds about right to me.
Tampa was not looking too good today, but it looks like they made a good comeback.
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For the balance of this freakin' season* I'm now a Bills fan
small market team
never won it
4 SB losses in a row
WIDE RIGHT
Then the Browns or Titans
and Tampa in the NFC
Sounds about right to me.
Tampa was not looking too good today, but it looks like they made a good comeback.
Falcons seem to have some 2nd half issues to work out, and IIRC a painful prior loss to TB12
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Trevor Lawrence got some thinking to do.
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kiid - You regret benching Hopkins yet?
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Jets win.
The Jets improve to 1-13 with the win and will now drop behind the Jacksonville Jaguars in the 2021 NFL Draft order. The Jaguars are also 1-13 and they have the edge in the first tiebreaker for draft order. The first tiebreaker is strength of schedule. The team with the weaker strength of schedule gets the edge based on the idea that losing to a weaker schedule means you would appear to be the worse team. That is followed by a host of tiebreaker options.
The fine folks at Tankathon track strength of schedule throughout the draft order. Jacksonville has the SOS edge, currently sitting at .554 to the Jets .593. Those numbers will change a little bit between now and the end of Monday Night Football, but not enough to move the Jets back up top. And given the disparity, the only way the Jets get back to No. 1 is if the Jaguars win.[/b]
https://dknation.draftkings.com/2020/12/20/22192458/jets-vs-rams-final-score-2021-nfl-draft-order-strength-of-schedule-tiebreaker-jaguars (https://dknation.draftkings.com/2020/12/20/22192458/jets-vs-rams-final-score-2021-nfl-draft-order-strength-of-schedule-tiebreaker-jaguars)
I think hell is likely full of Jets fans.
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Browns have to thank Covid-19, again, for part of their success this season, and likely tonight.
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Dungy took the words out of my mouth
Take the points when they are there, Coach Judge
Cool 3-8 today - IF I get the Browns win.
In a year where the Jets can win like they did today........
Whew!
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kiid - You regret benching Hopkins yet?
How many did he get?
In the end we will have to see if I went Pollard/Hopkins would I have won.
Pollard/Hopkins/Allen of course as well but I wasnt benching AR.
Obviously I bench Hopkins there so that I can win in the case of Eagles totally bottling up Cards, keeping it low scoring - since you had Murray and The Drake
Will a 50-pointer for Diontae even matter?
heh
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Trevor Lawrence got some thinking to do.
Jacksonville not such a bad place
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What makes Lawrence better than Burrow?
Than Murray?
Than Mayfield, even??
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kiid - You regret benching Hopkins yet?
How many did he get?
In the end we will have to see if I went Pollard/Hopkins would I have won.
Pollard/Hopkins/Allen of course as well but I wasnt benching AR.
Obviously I bench Hopkins there so that I can win in the case of Eagles totally bottling up Cards, keeping it low scoring - since you had Murray and The Drake
Will a 50-pointer for Diontae even matter?
heh
Even with Murray's 42 it appears I would have won with Pollard over Mostert, which I literally had in 2 minutes prior to kickoff
Would definitely have played Hopkins had I the 30 Pollard points (Mostert was evidently hurt early 3rd quarter and finished with 6) - *now I see Fournette - another guy I considdered - had 20 - heh
Not over yet. Chubb and Drake laying eggs have keep me in it
Need a Brown defensive score
(no doubt Chubb will now score)
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yep
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This is about when Giants score 2 TDS in six minutes to cover, no?
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Will a 50-pointer for Diontae even matter?
Looks like 38 might get me a chance
That's 10-160 with 2 scores
Drama at least
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Maybe it is because I see him 0lay so often, but there is no circumstance in which I sit Hopkins, especially in a PPR league.
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Maybe it is because I see him 0lay so often, but there is no circumstance in which I sit Hopkins, especially in a PPR league.
They have bullfighting down there in AZ, podnah?
0lay!!
Or is that "Ole!"
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Maybe it is because I see him 0lay so often, but there is no circumstance in which I sit Hopkins, especially in a PPR league.
Oh well...
I'd have lost with him in there
Damn - BROWNS D really let me down - can you comment on that - how they look moving into playoffs?
Congrats on that, by the way. Its official, right? Or do they need one more win?
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Maybe it is because I see him 0lay so often, but there is no circumstance in which I sit Hopkins, especially in a PPR league.
Oh well...
I'd have lost with him in there
Damn - BROWNS D really let me down - can you comment on that - how they look moving into playoffs?
Congrats on that, by the way. Its official, right? Or do they need one more win?
The Land's defense has huge issues in the back end. No way they can stop an elite team with one actual starting quality DB. Good front line - at least when healthy, Garrett's had some long term issues with COVID involving breathing and especially stamina.
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Anyway if I understand the scenarios correctly we are in if we win out. Otherwise, if we beat the Jets, we are in the payoffs IF one of Baltimore, Miami or Indy loses. We have the tie breaker over Indy or Tennessee, Baltimore has the tie breaker over us. I am unsure of Miami. Anyway those are the five teams looking at four spots.
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Quite the first half for the Steelers who dug themselves a hole they could not get out of.
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we have to fight to make sure that this never happens again." (http://we have to fight to make sure that this never happens again.")
The allegations of a culture of misogyny at the Washington Football Team continue to come out of the woodwork. At least 40 women — 15 came forward in July, 25 in August — have accused current and former team employees of sexual harassment and misconduct since the summer, and the latest allegation directly involves team owner Dan Snyder.
The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that the Football Team paid $1.6 million to settle a sexual misconduct claim against Snyder in 2009. The settlement is confidential but was reportedly uncovered by the NFL during its investigation into the many other sexual harassment and misconduct claims that have been leveled against the team. (http://The allegations of a culture of misogyny at the Washington Football Team continue to come out of the woodwork. At least 40 women — 15 came forward in July, 25 in August — have accused current and former team employees of sexual harassment and misconduct since the summer, and the latest allegation directly involves team owner Dan Snyder.
The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that the Football Team paid $1.6 million to settle a sexual misconduct claim against Snyder in 2009. The settlement is confidential but was reportedly uncovered by the NFL during its investigation into the many other sexual harassment and misconduct claims that have been leveled against the team.)
Guessing Trump is a WFT fan, then?
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Yes. He molested all those women in the White House.
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Snyder donated a lot of money for Trump's inauguration.
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I wonder if I can Jedi Mind Trick Wolf Pack in to benching Mahomes.
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Snyder donated a lot of money for Trump's inauguration.
Hush money?
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Today's least surprising news:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30585744/josh-gordon-return-field-seattle-seahawks-limbo-league-finds-wr-did-not-satisfy-reinstatement-terms-source-says
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Week 16
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
12/25 4:30 ET New Orleans -7 Vikings 52
12/26 1:00 ET Buccaneers -9.5 Detroit 54
12/26 4:30 ET Arizona -3 49ers 49
12/26 8:15 ET Dolphins -2.5 Las Vegas 47
12/27 1:00 ET Browns -9.5 New York Jets 47
12/27 1:00 ET Houston -9 Bengals 45
12/27 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -2 Colts 45.5
12/27 1:00 ET Bears -7.5 Jacksonville 47
12/27 1:00 ET Washington -2.5 Panthers 44.5
12/27 1:00 ET Baltimore -11 Giants 45
12/27 1:00 ET Kansas City -10 Falcons 53.5
12/27 4:05 ET Los Angeles Chargers -3 Broncos 48.5
12/27 4:05 ET Seattle -2 Rams 47.5
12/27 4:25 ET Eagles -1.5 Dallas 49
12/27 8:20 ET Green Bay -3.5 Titans 55.5
12/28 8:15 ET Bills -7 New England 45
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New Orleans 28 Vikings 20
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Bucs 30 Detroit 23
Arizona 30 Niners 23
Las Vegas 23 Dolphins 20
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Double Nickels for Kamara. I am fucked.
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Yeah, Jefferson not catching that last TD didnt help. Good luck. Certainly your RBs could go off.
Of course I will be checking out the action to see if I can get the alternate reality trophy, where I had started any of Fournette/Pollard/Wilson/Snell (or Allen I guess but I wasnt going there) with Hopkins last week rather than the ill-fated Rasheem Mostert.
For the record I'd have gone with WILSON this week as RB2, stayed with Dionte over R Woods. Lets see how I'd have done.
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Take a look at your hoops team
Daily lineups - you dont want guys on your bench that are playing that day
And your injured guys can go to IL so that you can grab some free agents
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I didn't make it to the drop. I wore myself hoarse by half time yelling "Tackle! Will you just fucking TACKLE HIM!"
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Take a look at your hoops team
Daily lineups - you dont want guys on your bench that are playing that day
And your injured guys can go to IL so that you can grab some free agents
My first try at hoops. I'll try to keep up.
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New Orleans 28 Vikings 20
The Saints beat the over all by themselves.
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LOL
Tampa under not looking any better
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I didn't make it to the drop. I wore myself hoarse by half time yelling "Tackle! Will you just fucking TACKLE HIM!"
Fournette with a nice start for you
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LOL
Tampa under not looking any better
In the old days, Brady would have stayed in for the 2nd half.
But Gabbard seems up to the task of keeping the Lions down.
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Had picked up GRONK since I saw he was playing Lions week 16.
Pat on back for regular season champ
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2-0 (game winners)
1-1
0-2 (O/U)
Maybe this is the week to do the 16-0 money line run.
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I didn't make it to the drop. I wore myself hoarse by half time yelling "Tackle! Will you just fucking TACKLE HIM!"
Fournette with a nice start for you
Yeah, but they aren't playing him in the second half. Bastards.
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LOL
Tampa under not looking any better
In the old days, Brady would have stayed in for the 2nd half.
But Gabbard seems up to the task of keeping the Lions down.
You me.and my one legged bro in law could keep the Lions down.
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Well, my two home town teams are playing so I get AZ v. Temp AZ on regular TV rather than the Super Double Secret streaming service everyone else has to sign up for.
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4 of 5 rostered wide receivers ruled out for the Browns against the Jests due to COVID protocols. How do you do next man up when there is no Next Man?
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Wow - I was just going to ask you if you had considered going with Mayfield over Murray.
Would have been gutsy.
I guess after a 42 that had to be a no go - and the Jets did bottle up Goff
Tough game.
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The Raiders are worse-coached than the Jets
You rock, Chuckie - your staff fucking blows.
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Is Marcus Mariotta fucking serious - smiling for a picture a minute after losing that excruciating game?
Fuck off, 8.
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Wow - I was just going to ask you if you had considered going with Mayfield over Murray.
Nah. Ride or die.
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27 for Jeff Wilson - but a down week for Hopkins. Kicker had 15 (if he had that last week I am in final)
Not sure I'd have got to the chip. We'll see.
Rooting for a 25 point Mahomes effort today, Whisk - give you half a chance.
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Took a look back - and this is year TWENTY
It appears there have been just 2 multiple winners - not sure - I may have missed someone and there have been team name changes. (I won once, back in '13)
Excellent league, especially for there being no prize money. Just getting in playoffs is an accomplishment
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Sunday picks
12/27 1:00 ET Browns -9.5 New York Jets 47 28-17
12/27 1:00 ET Houston -9 Bengals 45 27-20
12/27 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -2 Colts 45.5 24-21
12/27 1:00 ET Bears -7.5 Jacksonville 47 27-17
12/27 1:00 ET Washington -2.5 Panthers 44.5 20-17
12/27 1:00 ET Baltimore -11 Giants 45 28-14
12/27 1:00 ET Kansas City -10 Falcons 53.5 35-24
12/27 4:05 ET Los Angeles Chargers -3 Broncos 48.5 24-27
12/27 4:05 ET Seattle -2 Rams 47.5 21-23
12/27 4:25 ET Eagles -1.5 Dallas 49 28-24
12/27 8:20 ET Green Bay -3.5 Titans 55.5 33-27
12/28 8:15 ET Bills -7 New England 45 24-20
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How is it a fumble if Mayfield loses the ball but it never hit the ground?
Same as a pitchout, no?
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How is it a fumble if Mayfield loses the ball but it never hit the ground?
Same as a pitchout, no?
Yes. A lateral that is picked off is a fumble as well.
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Didn't take the layup Whisk gave me re Jets/Browns, the switched late off Cowboys and Lions.
7-7.
Nice to see GB looking strong last night. And Steelers bouncing back
Rooting for but not expecting that Super Bowl
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Didn't take the layup Whisk gave me re Jets/Browns, the switched late off Cowboys and Lions.
7-7.
Nice to see GB looking strong last night. And Steelers bouncing back
Rooting for but not expecting that Super Bowl
Steelers got very lucky.
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Lotta past due bills getting paid off tonight
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Lotta past due bills getting paid off tonight
It's an ugly game.
For one side, anyway.
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Mason "Jar" Rudolph to start Saturday for Pittsburgh. I hope he does not pull another stunt like when he deliberately thrust himself into the arc of Miles Garrett's harmless celebratory helmet swing last year.
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Lotta past due bills getting paid off tonight
It's an ugly game.
For one side, anyway.
There are many who were thrilled with that game.
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Lotta past due bills getting paid off tonight
It's an ugly game.
For one side, anyway.
There are many who were thrilled with that game.
Yes, many more than who disliked it, I am sure.
That they were thrilled with it doesn't mean that they would disagree with my assessment that it was ugly.
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Lotta past due bills getting paid off tonight
It's an ugly game.
For one side, anyway.
There are many who were thrilled with that game.
Yes, many more than who disliked it, I am sure.
That they were thrilled with it doesn't mean that they would disagree with my assessment that it was ugly.
So you're saying there are more Pats fans than Pat's haters? Doubtful.
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Lotta past due bills getting paid off tonight
It's an ugly game.
For one side, anyway.
There are many who were thrilled with that game.
Yes, many more than who disliked it, I am sure.
That they were thrilled with it doesn't mean that they would disagree with my assessment that it was ugly.
So you're saying there are more Pats fans than Pat's haters? Doubtful.
Read it again, Ham.
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Week 17
1/3 1:00 ET Cowboys -3 New York Giants 45
1/3 1:00 ET Cleveland -7.5 Steelers 44
1/3 1:00 ET New England -3.5 Jets 41
1/3 1:00 ET Vikings -3.5 Detroit 45
1/3 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -6.5 Falcons 50.5
1/3 1:00 ET Ravens -11.5 Cincinnati 44.5
1/3 1:00 ET Buffalo -4.5 Dolphins 47.5
1/3 4:25 ET Indianapolis -14 Jaguars 50
1/3 4:25 ET Packers -5.5 Chicago 50.5
1/3 4:25 ET Titans -7.5 Houston 56.5
1/3 4:25 ET Saints -6.5 Carolina 47.5
1/3 4:25 ET Chargers -3.5 Kansas City 43.5
1/3 4:25 ET Seahawks -5.5 San Francisco 46
1/3 4:25 ET Raiders -2.5 Denver 50.5
1/3 4:25 ET Los Angeles Rams -3 Cardinals 41
1/3 8:20 ET Washington Football Team -2 Philadelphia 43
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Early games
Cowboys 24 Giants 17
Browns 24 Steelers 21
Pats 21 Jets 13
Vikings 27 Lions 20
Bucs 31 Falcons 24
Ravens 33 Bengals 21
Bills 27 Dolphins 24
Parlay - Pats, Cowboys, Steelers
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good luck kid
YTD results 113-121 (48.29%)
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Late games
Indianapolis 31 Jags 14
Packers 30 Chicago 27
Titans 31 Houston 24
Saints 31 Carolina 17
Chargers 24 Kansas City 27
Seahawks 30 San Francisco 20
Raiders 20 Denver 23
Rams 30 Cardinals 24
Washington 20 Philadelphia 23
parlay - Indy, Tennessee, Philly
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Late games
Indianapolis 31 Jags 14
Packers 30 Chicago 27
Titans 31 Houston 24
Saints 31 Carolina 17
Chargers 24 Kansas City 27
Seahawks 30 San Francisco 20
Raiders 20 Denver 23
Rams 30 Cardinals 24
Washington 20 Philadelphia 23
parlay - Indy, Tennessee, Philly
kid did you mean to bet Tenn both ways?
you have them at -7.5 but winning by just 7 (31-24) in individual bets (ie you're betting they don't cover)
but you have them as part of your parlay presumably winning by more than 7.5 (covering)
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Giants get a butt recovery!
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call no matter what will be tainted!
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Bills 27 Dolphins 24
Buffalo seems to have covered.
And the Steelers don't seem to have been a good choice.
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Bills 27 Dolphins 24
Buffalo seems to have covered.
And the Steelers don't seem to have been a good choice.
kid had a good call on the Steelers, had the Browns winning but not covering. He almost had it to the penny.
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Brady
Giants
Lets go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wow - dick move by Pederson
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Why would the Philly defense bother playing now?
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Total fucking joke
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Why would the Philly defense bother playing now?
Total fucking joke
The total fucking joke is that you think everybody has your morals.
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Josh is such a debating phallus he wont even agree on a basic - really inarguable - point.
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What was that about Pittsburgh, phallus?
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Josh is such a debating phallus he wont even agree on a basic - really inarguable - point.
Hahahahahaha!
It's like you haven't been watching the game, having made up your mind.
The Eagles sure look like they've been playing on defense, Kid.
But you cannot agree on a simple factual point. You cannot admit you were wrong.
Nothing new here, either.
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What was that about Pittsburgh, phallus?
Ignorance on my part.
I thought your "parlay" meant you were betting on them to win.
How exciting for you that you predicted them to win, beating the spread, and only the latter point mattered.
Make it back to .500 for the year?
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12-4, 9-7
Week 15 stumble be damned - reeled it in ok at the end
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Nice job by ESPN's Tim Hasselbeck - comparing how HOUSTON handled their meaningless game vs Titans (kept Watson in, took late lead), who needed a win, with what Eagles' Pederson just did
I hope a few Eagles leave the team over this -
TH also relays how it was a phuck you to the league, who had moved their game to prime time
Excellent but short segment with Kenny Mayne, who asked alll the right questions.
Of course Collinsworth was the best
"I just couldnt do what the Eagles did tonight..."
"I may get myself fired here but......"
True pro, CC
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Nice job by ESPN's Tim Hasselbeck - comparing how HOUSTON handled their meaningless game vs Titans (kept Watson in, took late lead), who needed a win, with what Eagles' Pederson just did
I thought the coach sucked.
I think you besmirched the defense and won't admit you were wrong.
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He wasn't besmirching the defense. He was asking why the defense should try if the coach didn't try to win on offense.
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I think the best retort to Kid would be to simply to say that the Giants should have won more games.
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Who do the Giants play first round😂😂😂😂
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He wasn't besmirching the defense. He was asking why the defense should try if the coach didn't try to win on offense.
No, he was asserting that they would not try.
Not "why should they?" but "why would they?"
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He wasn't besmirching the defense. He was asking why the defense should try if the coach didn't try to win on offense.
No, he was asserting that they would not try.
Not "why should they?" but "why would they?"
I take a backseat to no one in my disdain for Kid. Your parsing of the distinction between should/would makes no sense to me given the context of the rest of the post.
And that's about as far as I'll go defending anything Kid writes, especially because I don't have all that much trouble with what Pederson did.
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Philadelphia Eagles just announced their new jerseys for 2021.
For sure, Pedersen tanked the game, and that will be its own Philly mess.
Still, when the Giants lost to Tampa Bay 25-23, after leading going into the 4th quarter, it left them at 1-7. That was on November 2. Two weeks earlier, they allowed a 21-10 in the 4th quarter to slip away and lose to the Eagles. They loss to Dallas two weeks earlier than that, after having a 34-31 lead in the 4th quarter.
So, the Giants put themselves in the position to be held hostage by Doug "Tanks for the Memories" Pedersen's arcane maneuvers, last night.
Still, once again, the NFL has a problem of perception. In an era in which they have fully endorsed sports betting, allowing Pedersen or others to throw games like that, without comment or concern expressed from the Commissioner's office, will continue to damage the brand. After all, the NFL flexed that game to Sunday night. What for? So the nation could watch the fix go in on a game that alleged to have so much import?
Some might even say that such action would call for some kind of federal investigation---fixing games is something that is generally frowned upon, historically. Some might want to consider again what it means to financially gain from throwing a game the way the Eagles did last night.
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On NBC Sports Philly’s postgame show, Eagles great Seth Joyner said, “I’ve never been more ashamed to be associated with the Philadelphia Eagles than I am tonight.”
DC Schwartz will not retuurn
They ask a good Q today - how can Pederson return and have the respect of the players?
And if he thought he might get fired why would he do this?
Theory - GM at least in on it - if not the owner
"My decision alone...."
Sure, Doug.
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What was that about Pittsburgh, phallus?
Make it back to .500 for the year?
you can't tell it from kid's response, but the results I have show that kid came up short of the "fairly flipped coin" test.
122-127 (48.99%)
no shame in that, as he seems in have fallen with-in 1% of said test.
As predicted that about 95+% of a large population would
I understand that kid has a call into Georgia SoS to find a few more Falcon games that he can tack onto his win totals
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What was that about Pittsburgh, phallus?
Make it back to .500 for the year?
you can't tell it from kid's response, but the results I have show that kid came up short of the "fairly flipped coin" test.
122-127 (48.99%)
no shame in that, as he seems in have fallen with-in 1% of said test.
As predicted that about 95+% of a large population would
I understand that kid has a call into Georgia SoS to find a few more Falcon games that he can tack onto his win totals
Troll.
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On NBC Sports Philly’s postgame show, Eagles great Seth Joyner said, “I’ve never been more ashamed to be associated with the Philadelphia Eagles than I am tonight.”
DC Schwartz will not retuurn
They ask a good Q today - how can Pederson return and have the respect of the players?
And if he thought he might get fired why would he do this?
Theory - GM at least in on it - if not the owner
"My decision alone...."
Sure, Doug.
CC on the NBC broadcast last night, “I couldn’t have done what Philadelphia did.”
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What was that about Pittsburgh, phallus?
Make it back to .500 for the year?
you can't tell it from kid's response, but the results I have show that kid came up short of the "fairly flipped coin" test.
122-127 (48.99%)
no shame in that, as he seems in have fallen with-in 1% of said test.
As predicted that about 95+% of a large population would
I understand that kid has a call into Georgia SoS to find a few more Falcon games that he can tack onto his win totals
Troll.
I'm just having a little fun with kid as we wait to see whether Repubs manage to steal the election or just fuck-up our democracy.
And kid's still waiting for Raffensperger to get back to him. It seems Raffy was tied up on conference calls that took priority over kid's gaming woes.
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Did sitting Big Ben for the entire game that influenced a Wild Card slot bother people as much as Pederson's move 3/4ths of the way through the game?
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Did sitting Big Ben for the entire game that influenced a Wild Card slot bother people as much as Pederson's move 3/4ths of the way through the game?
No.
But there was a difference
Actually a couple of them. Maybe you can figure it out.
I will accept the point though. Whoever was trying to get in ahead of Cleveland would have preferred seeing Roethy.
Meanwhile, STEELERS-BROWNS again next week. Cool. I owe Whisk one.
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I'm hoping for a Brady-Bills Superbowl
Bills were my AFC East pick and dark-horse coming out of the AFC
and with the Pats taking an expected sabbatical, TB and TB12 have been easy to root for this year
no reason to stop now
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Bucs at Green Bay is a tall order
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Bucs at Green Bay is a tall order
ANYONE at Green Bay in January is a tall order. Except for maybe the Maple Leafs.
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Bucs at Green Bay is a tall order
Haven't looked at the brackets yet.
But Brady v Rodgers at Lambeau in the post-season night get some national hype
as I recall Eli had some success up there I think he was 2-1
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Funny thing is that by all accounts Tampa WANTED the 5 seed.
Thus - getting a weaker team round 1 (avoid Seattle, NO), but a much tougher one round 2.
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Wait - never mind - they re-seed, right? So as a 6 or 7 beating a 3 or 2 they would still have gone to GB.
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DC has a very good pass rush. TB hates getting hit, and plays poorly when he gets smacked around a bit. He will likely escape that game with a win, but it'll hurt. And luck favors the underdogs.
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Love seeing the giants coach whining. Poor little guy thinks th world revolves around his shitty 🏈 team😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Love seeing the giants coach whining. Poor little guy thinks th world revolves around his shitty 🏈 team😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I do not care about the circumstances if you only win 6 games you have no right to complain about someone else spoiling your chance to make the playoffs.
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Kevin Stefanski tests positive for COVID 19 and will miss at least the first two playoff games (if there are two) because God is eternally Lucy to Browns Fans' Charlie Brown.
Edit: Among the other positive tests: Joel Bitonio, who is our best O lineman, the longest tenured Brown and the only one left from the 1- 31 years. (Long snappers don't count). After all he has been through, what a kick in the nuts for him.
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Who are the Steelers missing?
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Love seeing the giants coach whining. Poor little guy thinks th world revolves around his shitty 🏈 team😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I do not care about the circumstances if you only win 6 games you have no right to complain about someone else spoiling your chance to make the playoffs.
I don't think you got the message. He wasn't whining. He was recruiting.
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Who are the Steelers missing?
Haden, Ebron and Marsh were on the COVID-19 reserve list as of this am.
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Thats rough
Thanks for the info.
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Final Seedings:
AFC:
1. KC (14-2) - Bye
2. BUF (13-3)
3. PIT (12-4)
4. TEN (11-5)
5. BAL (11-5)
6. CLE (11-5)
7. IND (11-5)
Round 1:
7 – IND @ 2 – BUF
6 – CLE @ 3 – PIT
5 – BAL @ 4 – TEN
NFC:
1. GB (13-3) - Bye
2. NO (12-4)
3. SEA (12-4)
4. WAS (7-9)
5. TB (11-5)
6. LAR (10-6)
7. CHI (8-8)
Round 1:
7 – CHI @ 2 – NO
6 – LAR @ 3 – SEA
5 – TB @ 4 – WAS
pick the winners (straight wins) from WC week-end to the Superbowl (pick a score-tiebreaker, why not)
ALL picks due before kick-off first game 1pm saturday Colts @ Bills
1 point for each correct winner (13 max )
good luck
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Thats rough
Thanks for the info.
Other than Haden, not.sure if they are positive test or close contacts who would be eligible to return.
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AFC
2 Buffalo over 7 Indy
3 Pittsburgh over 6 Cleveland
4 Tennessee over 5 Baltimore
1 KC over 4 Tennessee
2 Buffalo over 3 Pittsburgh
2 Buffalo over 1 KC
NFC
2 Saints over 7 Bears
3 Seahawks over 6 Rams
5 Bucs over 4 Washington
5 Bucs over 1 Packers
2 Saints over 3 Seahawks
5 Bucs over 2 Saints
Super Bowl: Bucs over Buffalo 37-31 (OT)
MVP Brady to Gronk for the game winner
subject to some rethnking-injuries-covid-sobriety etc
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378 is a lot of points.
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378 is a lot of points.
yes it is
fixed
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ACC:
Buffalo over Indianapolis
Cleveland.over Pittsburgh
Baltimore over Tennessee
Cleveland over Kansas City
🐃 over Ravens
Cleveland over 🐃
NFC
Saints over Bears
Seahawks over Rams
Buccaneers over Football Team
Packers over Buccaneers
Saints over Seahawks
Packers over Saints
Super Bowl: Browns over Packers
Super Bowl MVP: Nick Chubb
As I have said elsewhere, as long as there is a ship, I AM GOING DOWN WITH IT!
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Thats rough
Thanks for the info.
Other than Haden, not.sure if they are positive test or close contacts who would be eligible to return.
Jaden of course a key guy
But good teams rely on depth. No excuses here.
Ben has been there. And I like Mayfield. Just ready to enjoy a game.
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Thats rough
Thanks for the info.
Other than Haden, not.sure if they are positive test or close contacts who would be eligible to return.
Jaden of course a key guy
But good teams rely on depth. No excuses here.
Ben has been there. And I like Mayfield. Just ready to enjoy a game.
I agree. We have injuries all up and down the O line. We either have built a team that can withstand injuries or we do not deserve to win.
Browns are playing the one time this weekend when my viewing time is iffy. Probably good for my blood pressure.
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Hall of Fame - in our out?
Peyton Manning
Torry Holt
Calvin Johnson
Reggie Wayne
LeRoy Butler
John Lynch
Ronde Barber
Charles Woodson
Jared Allen
Richard Seymour
Clay Matthews
Sam Mills
Zach Thomas
Alan Faneca
Tony Boselli
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Peyton Manning
Calvin Johnson
Reggie Wayne
Charles Woodson
Richard Seymour
Tony Boselli
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Good list
Likely more of them eventually get in
I will add Mills and Lynch for now but with no prolonged argument.
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Good list
Likely more of them eventually get in
I will add Mills and Lynch for now but with no prolonged argument.
I agree with Steve's list, but I'd add Jamie Moyer.
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Peyton Manning
Calvin Johnson
John Lynch
Charles Woodson
Richard Seymour
Alan Faneca
Moyer was no George Blanda
or Adam Vinatieri
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Good list
Likely more of them eventually get in
I will add Mills and Lynch for now but with no prolonged argument.
I agree with Steve's list, but I'd add Jamie Moyer.
Hah!
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todays games and lines
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)
105pm Colts @ Bills Bills -6 .5 ou 51
440pm Rams at S'Hawks S'Hawks -3 ou 42.5
815pm Buc @ WFT Buc-8.5 ou 45
thinking
Bills 31-23
S'hawks 23-17
Bucs 27-17 (pending Alex Smith news)
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Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
1/9 1:05 ET Buffalo -6.5 Colts 52 27-20
1/9 4:40 ET Seattle -3.5 Rams 42.5 19-17
1/9 8:15 ET Buccaneers -9 Washington 45.5 30-13
1/10 1:05 ET Ravens -3 Tennessee 55
1/10 4:40 ET New Orleans -10 Bears 48
1/10 8:15 ET Pittsburgh -6 Browns 47.5
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105pm Colts @ Bills Bills -6 .5 ou 51
440pm Rams at S'Hawks S'Hawks -3 ou 42.5
815pm Buc @ WFT Buc-8.5 ou 45
thinking
Bills 31-23
S'hawks 23-17
Bucs 27-17 (pending Alex Smith news)
Bills 34-20
Seahawks 30-20
Bucs 30-20
That is, I expect the same things you do, except the over for the latter two games, not the under.
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Bucs 27-17 (pending Alex Smith news)
Not sure I get this one
Are you changing to an OVER number if he doesnt play? Certainly you dont think WAS would do better without him - and you have them losing with and without the spread already
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Bucs 27-17 (pending Alex Smith news)
Not sure I get this one
Are you changing to an OVER number if he doesnt play? Certainly you dont think WAS would do better without him - and you have them losing with and without the spread already
kid-Its not that complicated
I'd say you were overthinking it, but thats clearly something you don't do.
I'm waiting for some clarification whether Smith will play tonight.
I put in a placeholder best-guess score with an under total, with the assumption at best he may play hurt, if I get additional info I may make a different decision.
I'll post it before the game starts.
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I have two upsets this weekend: I predict the Rams over the Shawks and of course Cleveland over Pittsburgh. As usual I also predict at least one instance of bitter disappointment.
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I have two upsets this weekend: I predict the Rams over the Shawks and of course Cleveland over Pittsburgh. As usual I also predict at least one instance of bitter disappointment.
I think the WFT will beat the Bucs.
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No way Bills are winning this game.
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With Smith out, I guess Bank would change his thinking from Bucs and the under to......
well...
who the fuck knows?
heh
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1st second guess of the weekend
should have taken the 3
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With Smith out, I guess Bank would change his thinking from Bucs and the under to......
well...
who the fuck knows?
heh
with Smith out and an untested QB playing for the WFT
Bank might think that could create scoring opportunites on offense and defense for Tampa
and WFT's D might be very tired by the 4th qtr.
just a thought
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Bills dodge a bullet
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With Smith out, I guess Bank would change his thinking from Bucs and the under to......
well...
who the fuck knows?
heh
with Smith out and an untested QB playing for the WFT
Bank might think that could create scoring opportunites on offense and defense for Tampa
and WFT's D might be very tired by the 4th qtr.
just a thought
yep
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No way Bills are winning this game.
Nice reverse ziggy.
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maybe years of bad Bills juju is reversing itself
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Analytics says go for 2 here if you score
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Exact scores
Bills 31-23 plenty viable
My 27-20 just went up in flames, as did 34-20
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Allen wants to go on 4th and 6
Whaaaat?
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54 yarder?
I'd punt.
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Wow - rookie nailed it
UNDER looking good. Bills cover still up in the air.
Swear I almost went 27-19...
heh
(like last week when I had a typo to FaceBook site and fixed it - initially calling 24-22 Browns and amending to what I wanted - 24-21)
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Analytics says go for 2 here if you score
"Good" call.
54 yarder?
I'd punt.
"Good" call.
I appreciated the old school SNL reference.
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Bills keep trying to catch up to Heinz..
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Analytics says go for 2 here if you score
"Good" call.
54 yarder?
I'd punt.
"Good" call.
I appreciated the old school SNL reference.
I was right
Pen them in below the 10 yard line - up 8
Then let your D work, rather than that pisspoor shit we just saw to allow it to get to 27-22 and then 24
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Wow - great recovery by Bills
May have just won the game.
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maybe years of bad Bills juju is reversing itself
maybe not
heh
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Rooting for the defensive score for you guys
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Replay, baby....
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Great time out by Bills
But they will screw up the call.
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maybe years of bad Bills juju is reversing itself
maybe not
heh
maybe
Bills have gotten a ton of breaks today
I think this one's a fumble
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Every year.
No balls, NFL.
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DPI coming
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and the Bills march on!
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Rams D is battering the stuffing out the Seabirds.
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Wow - there has been recent talk of stealing signs in football....
Sure seemed like Rams had the play call on that defensive TD
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Defensive score really opened this game up
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Defensive score really opened this game up
I don't think that that lead has "opened" up the game.
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Wow - there has been recent talk of stealing signs in football....
Sure seemed like Rams had the play call on that defensive TD
Or, the Rams saw the Metcalfe rant on the sidelines and knew they were going to push the ball to him.
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Let's go, Hawks - take this fucker OVER!
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Defensive score really opened this game up
I don't think that that lead has "opened" up the game.
UMMM..
okay
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Goff with the wounded ducks
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One wonders how different this Seattle game is with their fans in the stands.
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1st and 20 - 17 yards to a smothered Metcalf
If he drops it its a DPI.
They should flag it anyway
Seattle then goes run-run for sqadoush.
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Totally had this game wrong
Rams just dominated S'hawks
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Looks like one of Goff's "wounded ducks" just iced this game.
Heh
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Reed iced it
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Smith a no-go tonight.
Bucs 31-13
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Heinicke looks like a very hot and cold QB.
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(https://content.fortune.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/tom-brady-trump-hat.jpg)
This is who you're rooting for?
A Trumpista? REALLY??!!!
Fuck off.
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Looks like we all got Heinekeed.
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Taylor Heinicke played a helluva game, all things considered.
Brady, et al, played well enough to win.
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Looks like we all got Heinekeed.
Given the circumstances he was great and probably played the game of his life.
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I'd sure like to see more
A little bit of Flutie in him.
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I'd sure like to see more
A little bit of Flutie in him.
Albeit more than a head taller.
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As is everyone
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todays games and lines
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)
105pm Balt @ Tenn Balt -3 .5 ou 54.5
440pm Chi @ NO NO -10.5 ou 48.5
815pm Clv @ Pitt Pitt -6 ou 47.5
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todays games and lines
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)
105pm Balt @ Tenn Balt -3 .5 ou 54.5
440pm Chi @ NO NO -10.5 ou 48.5
815pm Clv @ Pitt Pitt -6 ou 47.5
Titans and the under.
Saints and the under, but not covering.
Cleveland and over - said out of hope, not conviction. If this were a real bet, I would just pass - the Steelers have been way too up and down of late.
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todays games and lines
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)
105pm Balt @ Tenn Balt -3 .5 ou 54.5
440pm Chi @ NO NO -10.5 ou 48.5
815pm Clv @ Pitt Pitt -6 ou 47.5
Balt 27-23
NO 33-23 (subject to 2nd guessing until gametime)
Pitt 30-20 (ditto)
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Tennessee 31 Ravens 28
New Orleans 27 Bears 19
Pittsburgh 28 Browns 21
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Ravens 31, Titans 20
Saints 35, Bears 13
Browns 27 , Steelers 3
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NO 33-23 (subject to 2nd guessing until gametime)
NO to cover
NO 33-20
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Nice game for the MVP
Thought Titans messed up not going on 4th and 2 at the 42 - but likely would not have mattered.
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I was surprised with that 4th and 2 punt. I thought it was a mistake.
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LMAO
That may be the greatest play in this great rivalries history!
I may have to root for the Browns!
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So they spotted us 7...
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So they spotted us 7...
Helluva start!
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So they spotted us 7...
14.
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So they spotted us 7...
boz--You're wondering to yourself, "how are they going to fuck this up this time" aren't you?
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So they spotted us 7...
boz--You're wondering to yourself, "how are they going to fuck this up this time" aren't you?
21.
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So they spotted us 7...
boz--You're wondering to yourself, "how are they going to fuck this up this time" aren't you?
Yes.
I think I may turn the game off. Because if we lose this i fucking do NOT want to watch.
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So they spotted us 7...
boz--You're wondering to yourself, "how are they going to fuck this up this time" aren't you?
Yes.
I think I may turn the game off. Because if we lose this i fucking do NOT want to watch.
I get it, This is how traumatized fans think.
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"Man, losing this game is going to fucking suck."
- Every Cleveland Browns fan, everywhere.
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So they spotted us 7...
boz--You're wondering to yourself, "how are they going to fuck this up this time" aren't you?
Yes.
I think I may turn the game off. Because if we lose this i fucking do NOT want to watch.
I get it, This is how traumatized fans think.
As my father, of the 1946, 1948, 1967, 1975, 1978, and 1986 Red Sox fandom used to say, "Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."
We do know that feeling.
But OMG, 28 points in the first quarter on 3 turnovers?
Are we sure 2020 is over?!
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As an aside, there is a story out tonight that Trump is going to award to former Cleveland Brown coach Bill Belichick the Medal of Freedom.
That motherfucker poisons everything he touches.
This is not setting well with fans of BB's current team.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/10/trump-to-award-bill-belichick-the-medal-of-freedom-amid-house-impeachment-push-457248 (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/10/trump-to-award-bill-belichick-the-medal-of-freedom-amid-house-impeachment-push-457248)
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So they spotted us 7...
boz--You're wondering to yourself, "how are they going to fuck this up this time" aren't you?
Yes.
I think I may turn the game off. Because if we lose this i fucking do NOT want to watch.
I get it, This is how traumatized fans think.
As my father, of the 1946, 1948, 1967, 1975, 1978, and 1986 Red Sox fandom used to say, "Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."
We do know that feeling.
But OMG, 28 points in the first quarter on 3 turnovers?
Are we sure 2020 is over?!
and Pedro was leading 5-2 in the 8th
we do know the feeling.
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"I call on the NFL to stop counting the points and declare a winner."
- Donald J. TRUMP
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As an aside, there is a story out tonight that Trump is going to award to former Cleveland Brown coach Bill Belichick the Medal of Freedom.
That motherfucker poisons everything he touches.
This is not setting well with fans of BB's current team.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/10/trump-to-award-bill-belichick-the-medal-of-freedom-amid-house-impeachment-push-457248 (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/10/trump-to-award-bill-belichick-the-medal-of-freedom-amid-house-impeachment-push-457248)
It was all Brady, anyway.
He should give it to Tom.
(No, not that, either.)
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Ben wants to go home
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JuJU is a punkass and he has also quit
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You throw on 3rd and 1 at the 2?
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Thank you James Conner
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Browns 27 , Steelers 3
Pretty close.
Oh, wait - there's another half?!
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28-7 isn't as bad as 28-3 in the middle of the 3rd qtr.
plenty of time
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28-7 isn't as bad as 28-3 in the middle of the 3rd qtr.
plenty of time
may have to rejigger the equation
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28-7 isn't as bad as 28-3 in the middle of the 3rd qtr.
plenty of time
may have to rejigger the equation
Still time for the Steelers to give up a few more points...
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So they spotted us 7...
boz--You're wondering to yourself, "how are they going to fuck this up this time" aren't you?
Yes.
I think I may turn the game off. Because if we lose this i fucking do NOT want to watch.
I get it, This is how traumatized fans think.
As my father, of the 1946, 1948, 1967, 1975, 1978, and 1986 Red Sox fandom used to say, "Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."
We do know that feeling.
But OMG, 28 points in the first quarter on 3 turnovers?
Are we sure 2020 is over?!
and Pedro was leading 5-2 in the 8th
we do know the feeling.
Chico Ruiz. Mitch Williams. Garry Maddox. Danny Ozark...
But, maybe you should talk to the Houston Oilers. See, they played this game against the Bills, once, Warren Moon had thrown for 4 TDs, and they were up by 28-3 at the half. Then some guy named Frank Reich got his mojo back, and...well the rest is history.
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Yup remember watching that game many many Warren Moons ago.
IIRC the lead peaked at 35-3.
Don't recall Danny Ozark's role in that game.
like I said it was many many...
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and northeast Ohio breathes a sigh of relief
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and northeast Ohio breathes a sigh of relief
Too soon to be breathing that sigh, IMO.
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spoke to soon
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spoke to soon
But now... now they can!
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Congrats, Whisk. Good team.
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that was a bit of insanity
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6 games this week-end
I'm about footballed out
2-4 ATS but generally felt good about my picks (except for the Rams game-missed that one)
tough way to make a buck
Nice job boz 3-0 today!
and congrats on the Browns
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Woot.
I believe I was 6-0 for the weekend. But I don't do spreads.
Three quarterbacks from the 2018 Draft are in the AFC Divisional Round. No sign of Darnold or Rosen.
Add in Mahomes, the four AFC QBs have 13 years total experience combined. Or, three years fewer than Rogers, seven fewer than Brees, and eight fewer than Brady. Goff the outlier.
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Woot.
I believe I was 6-0 for the weekend. But I don't do spreads.
Three quarterbacks from the 2018 Draft are in the AFC Divisional Round. No sign of Darnold or Rosen.
Add in Mahomes, the four AFC QBs have 13 years total experience combined. Or, three years fewer than Rogers, seven fewer than Brees, and eight fewer than Brady. Goff the outlier.
And Goff only there because of the injury to his former back-up.
Congratulations on both a good predictive weekend and your team's powerful win!
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According to Schefter
Patriots’ HC Bill Belichick will not be traveling to Washington nor accepting the Presidential Medal of Freedom, he announced today
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1348790788046680067/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1348790788046680067/photo/1)
He did the right thing.
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“Woke” Belichick is the new Popovich.
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“Woke” Belichick is the new Popovich.
I generally don't write angry old guy missives, except on line, but I sent an angry e-mail to the Pats this AM. I was pissed. I suspect the blow-back was pretty one-sided.
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Did the right thing.
See what Brady does, now.
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Brady-I hope he outplays Brees and leads the Bucs to a win.
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BB raised in Annapolis, and understands honor and what it means.
Brady? Needs to distance himself from Trump. Currently, he's carrying that stain wherever he goes.
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I'm not aware that Brady is required to pass a purity test re his relationship with Trump.
He clarified that relationship well before Trump was elected.
I think most understood the relationship was personal and probably based more on comped golf vacations rather than shared politics.
And personal relationships are often complicated and multi-faceted and change over time.
Purity tests and loyalty oaths are earmarks of authoritarian regimes.
You seem confused about one of the core strength of our democracy.
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Apologies for the cheap shot I took at my QB the other day
Classy guy all the way when it comes to the game
https://sports.yahoo.com/pittsburgh-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-emotional-apology-maurkice-pouncey-cleveland-browns-playoffs-retirement-013222970.html
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What was he apologizing for, not standing at the goal line to take the snap?
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I think most understood the relationship was personal and probably based more on comped golf vacations rather than shared politics.
Or whatever Epstein had to offer him.
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Apologies for the cheap shot I took at my QB the other day
Classy guy all the way when it comes to the game
https://sports.yahoo.com/pittsburgh-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-emotional-apology-maurkice-pouncey-cleveland-browns-playoffs-retirement-013222970.html
And off the field he's a rapist.
"Classy guy" that he is.
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NFL LINES
SAT 1-16 OU
435P
Rams
Packers -6.5 45.5
Ravens
Bills -2.5 49.5
SUN 1-17
Browns
Chiefs -10 57
Bucs
Saints -3 52
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)
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Packers
Saints
Bills
Browns
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Urban Meyer to coach Jacksonville.
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Urban Meyer to coach Jacksonville.
When was the last time a big time career college coach was a success in the pros? Carroll was a successful college coach at USC, but he had a couple head coach gigs in the pros first. Harbaugh? He had coached for only 7 years.
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Urban Meyer to coach Jacksonville.
When was the last time a big time career college coach was a success in the pros? Carroll was a successful college coach at USC, but he had a couple head coach gigs in the pros first. Harbaugh? He had coached for only 7 years.
Successful College coaches in the NFL?
Paul Brown
Jimmy Johnson
Barry Switzer
Don Coryell
Bill Walsh
Tom Coughlin
Pete Carroll
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And the best coach of alltime was captain of his college team...playing lacrosse!
Vince Lombardi coached at Fordham.
Bill Parcells at Air Force Academy.
Ya nevah kno'.
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Packers
Ravens
Chiefs
Bucs
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From NJ.com:
Cleveland Browns at Kansas City Chiefs (-10)
Sunday, Jan. 17, 2021, 3:05 p.m. ET
There aren’t many better bets in sports than Andy Reid off a bye week, and that was true even before he landed Patrick Mahomes. In the six games when Reid and Mahomes are coming off a bye, they’ve scored 40, 31, 40, 51, 31 and 35 points. The Browns showed up last week, winning a game many (including me) thought was too tall of a task. So I’m done counting out the Browns. This won’t be a slaughter, mainly because the Chiefs haven’t shown an ability to do that to good teams this season. But I’ll take Patrick Mahomes to make a few more plays than Baker Mayfield, especially in the fourth quarter. MY PICK: Browns.
So, WTF is this? I like the Chiefs to win, which is why MY PICK is the Browns?
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Packers
Ravens
Chiefs
Saints
But I will not be disappointed, if it comes out to be Rams, Bills, Browns, and Saints.
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From NJ.com:
Cleveland Browns at Kansas City Chiefs (-10)
Sunday, Jan. 17, 2021, 3:05 p.m. ET
There aren’t many better bets in sports than Andy Reid off a bye week, and that was true even before he landed Patrick Mahomes. In the six games when Reid and Mahomes are coming off a bye, they’ve scored 40, 31, 40, 51, 31 and 35 points. The Browns showed up last week, winning a game many (including me) thought was too tall of a task. So I’m done counting out the Browns. This won’t be a slaughter, mainly because the Chiefs haven’t shown an ability to do that to good teams this season. But I’ll take Patrick Mahomes to make a few more plays than Baker Mayfield, especially in the fourth quarter. MY PICK: Browns.
So, WTF is this? I like the Chiefs to win, which is why MY PICK is the Browns?
ATS. 10 points is a lot.
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From NJ.com:
Cleveland Browns at Kansas City Chiefs (-10)
Sunday, Jan. 17, 2021, 3:05 p.m. ET
There aren’t many better bets in sports than Andy Reid off a bye week, and that was true even before he landed Patrick Mahomes. In the six games when Reid and Mahomes are coming off a bye, they’ve scored 40, 31, 40, 51, 31 and 35 points. The Browns showed up last week, winning a game many (including me) thought was too tall of a task. So I’m done counting out the Browns. This won’t be a slaughter, mainly because the Chiefs haven’t shown an ability to do that to good teams this season. But I’ll take Patrick Mahomes to make a few more plays than Baker Mayfield, especially in the fourth quarter. MY PICK: Browns.
So, WTF is this? I like the Chiefs to win, which is why MY PICK is the Browns?
ATS. 10 points is a lot.
Okay, but if they're scoring that many points, as he put in the first part of his analysis, then that means the Chiefs are on the field with the ball.
It just isn't very clear writing, IMO. But, as best I can tell, it is HIS writing, and he didn't plagiarize the way some folks do.
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seems he likes the Browns and the over.
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(Green) Bay (Packers),
Bills,
Browns,
Bucs.
No "B" in Los Angeles Rams, in California (the word), or even St. Louis or Missouri. Almost skipped that game altogether.
The Killer "B"s!
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Packers 27
Rams 17
Pack to cover with the under
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(Green) Bay (Packers),
Bills,
Browns,
Bucs.
No "B" in Los Angeles Rams, in California (the word), or even St. Louis or Missouri. Almost skipped that game altogether.
The Killer "B"s!
There are B movies in LA...
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No one else playing ATS?
I guess kid's Mrs. said enough was enough.
heh
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Packers
Ravens
Chiefs
Bucs
Rams and over , Pack wins
Ravens and under
Chiefs and under
Bucs and over
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time stands for no man
heh
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lot of O last 6 minutes of the half.
Rodgers lucky he didn't get picked 2X before the FG.
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Rams D played so well last week
so far they no-showed today
I figured they'd slow Rodgers a little
not yet
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Rams D played so well last week
so far they no-showed today
I figured they'd slow Rodgers a little
not yet
But his shoulder may slow him.
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Good win for Pack
well balanced attack
Rams missed healthy Donald-just never put any pressure on Rodgers.
Love to see Brady get past NO and play as a U-dog in Lambeau next week
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I've gone back and forth on this one
pulling for Bills
Lets go Buffalo -2.5
Bills 27
Ravens 23
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Somebody put magnets in those field goal posts and footballs?!
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Endzone to endzone! Quite the interception.
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I liked the outcomes, but we can hope for closer games tomorrow.
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Well...Ravens dominated.
Bills fans can crow about it.
Packers D looks quite vulnerable. The QB won that game.
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Well...Ravens dominated.
They dominated between the 20s, but they didn't dominate in the red zone.
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Well...Ravens dominated.
They dominated between the 20s, but they didn't dominate in the red zone.
My bad for not being clear. Ravens WERE dominated.
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Well...Ravens dominated.
They dominated between the 20s, but they didn't dominate in the red zone.
My bad for not being clear. Ravens WERE dominated.
I don't see that, either. Baltimore had 50% more offense than the Bills did - that's not being dominated.
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That pick-6 turned blew open what was a close game
Ravens left a lot of points blowin' in the wind.
That wind wiecked havoc with the offenses and Justin Tucker
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Rooting for the Browns today
but head over hearts and says Chiefs
Chiefs 35
Browns 24
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That pick-6 turned blew open what was a close game
Ravens left a lot of points blowin' in the wind.
That wind wiecked havoc with the offenses and Justin Tucker
It was "only" a two TD game, even then, with a bit over a quarter to go. But the way the Ravens had been playing (and the Bills' D) it looked close to insurmountable.
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That pick-6 turned blew open what was a close game
Ravens left a lot of points blowin' in the wind.
That wind wiecked havoc with the offenses and Justin Tucker
It was "only" a two TD game, even then, with a bit over a quarter to go. But the way the Ravens had been playing (and the Bills' D) it looked close to insurmountable.
Being down "only" 2 TDs" with a back-up QB playing for the Ravens and a brutal wind made that lead look pretty good.
Bills D was good, but they really only had to contain the run, as Ravens couldn't fly in that wind, or kick into it. They pissed away too many points. (maybe 14 on the pick -6 and the 2 rare Tucker doinks). Tough loss for the Ravens
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20 points
Ravens turning 7 into negative 7
Two misses by Tucker the American Dream.
But Bills have been great all year - cant just say they'd have lost had Ravens made it 10-all
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Funniest analysis I heard this morning - "I am betting just the first quarter, Browns +3 - because Chiefs should be rusty"
heh
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20 points
Ravens turning 7 into negative 7
Two misses by Tucker the American Dream.
But Bills have been great all year - cant just say they'd have lost had Ravens made it 10-all
Thanks for repeating my post
They pissed away too many points. (maybe 14 on the pick -6 and the 2 rare Tucker doinks). Tough loss for the Ravens
but as posted 20 points is a lot ot piss away in a post-season game.
But nobody said the Bills didn't deserve to win. I thought they would and had them winning, but 10-10 is a lot different that 17-3, changes the nature of the gsame and how its played.
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Thanks for repeating my post
Sure, no prob
You are allowed to agree with me.
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This just in -
Whisk's QB is RFG.
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This is absolutely a TD
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I guess you could say now the entire AFC North has blown themselves up this off season
WOW
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Browns got dicked.
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Was just gonna say this sets up nicely as a back door 34-25 KC final where I'd lose both halves of the bet
But..... maybe not after that Honey Badger INT
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Butker yaks it
Exhibit A in "DON"T BET ON FOOTBALL" class.
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Wow - Andy Reid - why?
3rd and a foot - you dont need to run your QB....
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Nantz thinks its a concussion every time you land on your head
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Nantz thinks its a concussion every time you land on your head
Yeah-everyone knows its not a concussion unless you see stars or little bids circling the guy's head.
sheesh!
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuIchqvG-3lE73gUWfUxINwBu4R-s6qCDfdQ&usqp=CAU&ec=45761791)
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Browns are a hella good team, no matter what occurs here
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Guess it's legal to tackle a guy by grabbing his helmet and twisting his head into the ground.
Who knew?
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Wow
Really strange decisions this postseason, this time with Browns punting at 4 minutes and change
If you dont get it there you can still hold them to a FG and have a chance ata tie.
Tomlin had the worst one, down 11 and punting on 4th and 2 at midfield
And there was one other
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Good job by Henne taking the sack rather than throwing the ball for in incompletion.
Garrett is a warrior.
Good game.
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Andy Reid nutsack game.
And the WOLVERINE rises!
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Good game, mostly. Closer than yesterday's. Don't know that the outcome would have been different, but I do with they would call the helmet to helmet, at least when it is blatant on the replay done for other reasons.
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ballsy call by Andy
sorry boz-tough loss
that fucking fumble!
new heart-breaker for the list
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AFC NORTH
Mwaaaaamp-wahhhhhhh.....
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I have been sickened by NFL officiating in the past - and I know some will disagree because of 49's hit at the goal line - but I thought this game was officiated quite well - including the last spot on Henn's run.
Props to the league today.
2 best AFC teams, you have to think - in this final.
TB with a chance to upset the rightful Final 4
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I have been sickened by NFL officiating in the past - and I know some will disagree because of 49's hit at the goal line - but I thought this game was officiated quite well - including the last spot on Henn's run.
Props to the league today.
2 best AFC teams, you have to think - in this final.
TB with a chance to upset the rightful Final 4
refs for the most part have swallowed whistles for the past 2 weeks.
Roger doesn't like flag-football
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total fanboy pick
Brady 31
Brees 27
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Come on, Fournette - be better!!!!!
Drop means 3rd down and Saints may get the ball back. Catch it and you have a new set of downs at 2 minute mark.
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Now he falls down on his own outside FG range
Oy.
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Interesting officiating. Seems the white shirt means you can manhandle the other team's receivers.
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Interesting officiating. Seems the white shirt means you can manhandle the other team's receivers.
I'd wondered how long it would take you.
You are incredibly predictable.
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Interesting officiating. Seems the white shirt means you can manhandle the other team's receivers.
I'd wondered how long it would take you.
You are incredibly predictable.
It's been pretty evident. Breed's receivers haven't helped him.
It'd be nice to see a game that is fairly officiated.
Maybe next week.
Certainly Brady hasn't won this game. It's been handed to the Bucs.
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Come on, Fournette - be better!!!!!
A voice from far away leads him.
heh
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Brees hasnt announced his retirement, right?
Why does Joe Buck have to be such a jagoff?
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TOM FUCKING BRADY!
LOVE IT!
Brady in Lambeau looking forward to that game
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I always liked Brees, its unfortunate if this is his swan song.
He was pretty bad.
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Interesting officiating. Seems the white shirt means you can manhandle the other team's receivers.
Yet surprisingly NO got 5 first downs from penalties, the Bucs none.
There were more flags in this game, than were thrown the past 2 weeks.
Bucs D was outstanding and totally stymied Brees.
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Happy to regroup a bit and hit 3 of the 4 conference championship participants.
Didnt hit that last OVER, unfortunately.
1-3 week, 2-8 spread overall
6-4 winners
6-4 O/U
Money laid out - 0
Money return - 0
Tough call next week on NFC tilt.
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Brees hasnt announced his retirement, right?
Why does Joe Buck have to be such a jagoff?
My bad - hearing now that Jay Glazer reported the retirement
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3-1 ATS this week
5-5 for post-season.
maybe get into + territory next week.
8-2 straight winners
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Brees injury a factor. Hence, being unable to throw deep.
Have a nice retirement, Drew. Stay the fuck out of politics.
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I guess Glazer is the answer guy
Now says Mahomes didnt necessarily suffer a concussion - tried to get back in the game and it looks promising for next week.
NOD to the NFL for the improved health precautions. Years ago of course PM is still in that game - and it wouldnt bode well if he did it time and again as far as his lot later in life
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Interesting officiating. Seems the white shirt means you can manhandle the other team's receivers.
I'd wondered how long it would take you.
You are incredibly predictable.
It's been pretty evident. Breed's receivers haven't helped him.
It'd be nice to see a game that is fairly officiated.
Maybe next week.
Certainly Brady hasn't won this game. It's been handed to the Bucs.
Drunkard.
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Interesting officiating. Seems the white shirt means you can manhandle the other team's receivers.
I'd wondered how long it would take you.
You are incredibly predictable.
It's been pretty evident. Breed's receivers haven't helped him.
It'd be nice to see a game that is fairly officiated.
Maybe next week.
Certainly Brady hasn't won this game. It's been handed to the Bucs.
Drunkard.
No, realist.
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Interesting officiating. Seems the white shirt means you can manhandle the other team's receivers.
I'd wondered how long it would take you.
You are incredibly predictable.
It's been pretty evident. Breed's receivers haven't helped him.
It'd be nice to see a game that is fairly officiated.
Maybe next week.
Certainly Brady hasn't won this game. It's been handed to the Bucs.
Drunkard.
No, realist.
How many interceptions did Brady throw?
How often did he fumble?
There is 0 doubt that the TB defense played a solid game and the turnovers were the difference in a big win vs. a very tight game.
But your anti-Brady bias requires you to minimize his role and maximize the illusion of bad or biased officiating.
You sound like a Trumpist.
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The only game that Utley cared about was the Bucs Saints,
He didn't care about the winner of
Ravens-Bills
Rams-Packers
Browns-Chiefs
But he posted that if the Saints lost he would be disaapointed.
Packers
Ravens
Chiefs
Saints
But I will not be disappointed, if it comes out to be Rams, Bills, Browns, and Saints.
Utely shorted TB12 and pissed into the Brees
and he got soaked
heh
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Brady is, of course just lucky to have now won more playoff games than any other player, by a lot, and any coach by 1.
Of course, there are still four TEAMS with more playoff wins in their history than Brady has in his career.
But as everybody knows, he's just a system quarterback and the NFL favors him and always has.
Just ask Ham.
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https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1351017125444546568
Video from after Brady and Brees have changed into street clothes. They're out on the field with Drew's wife and their 4 kids.
Such a sweet little vignette about who these people are. And one more perfect pass over a defender.
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So the fix was in.
Got it.
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So the fix was in.
Got it.
Thanks, Rudy.
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Mahomes 50-50 but symptoms say it looks promising for this week
A little less than 50% return for play a week after being in concussion protocol.
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So the fix was in.
As is case with Trump's "the election is rigged", I always ask: "WHO fixed/rigged it?" The Trilateral Commission? The Knights Templar? George Soros? The Koch Brothers? The Jews?
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So the fix was in.
As is case with Trump's "the election is rigged", I always ask: "WHO fixed/rigged it?" The Trilateral Commission? The Knights Templar? George Soros? The Koch Brothers? The Jews?
The Inflatinati.
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https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/tom-brady-puts-stake-through-heart-his-haters?b
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Yawn.
Bottom line, he's won nothing, yet.
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The New Prez and "Footie"---which is not the NFL, for sure, but the global game:
https://www.si.com/soccer/2021/01/20/joe-biden-soccer-world-cup-usmnt-uswnt-mls-fifa-daily-cover (https://www.si.com/soccer/2021/01/20/joe-biden-soccer-world-cup-usmnt-uswnt-mls-fifa-daily-cover)
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Yawn.
Bottom line, he's won nothing, yet.
I root against the guy too, but Jesus let it go.
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Yawn.
Bottom line, he's won nothing, yet.
I disagree.
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Yawn.
Bottom line, he's won nothing, yet.
I root against the guy too, but Jesus let it go.
This is sports. We never let it go. For example...
(https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_12_desktop/broncos/hleksovwtymlkg3da0i4)
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...looks for photo of Santa Claus being pelted by snowballs...
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Yawn.
Bottom line, he's won nothing, yet.
I am sure the Saints and WTF players feel the same way.
You are too funny.
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I can understand and empathise with Brown fans and their pain over "the Drive", "the Fumble" and now (have they settled on a name) "the dive" or "the pylon".
Boston fans have "Pesky's held the ball". Bucky Fing Dent" Grady F'ing Little" Tyree's "F'ing helmet". And I could go on and on.
But there is a difference between a fan's elevating their sports anguish to self-flagellation, and denying the demonstrated brilliance of Brady.
The denial was nuts 10 years ago, today its fucking delusional, or pure trolling.
Brady was not born in Kenya.
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I agree with the sports analyst who pointed out that it took Brady like 21 seasons to reach an NFC Championship game. How good could he be?
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I can understand and empathise with Brown fans and their pain over "the Drive", "the Fumble" and now (have they settled on a name) "the dive" or "the pylon".
Boston fans have "Pesky's held the ball". Bucky Fing Dent" Grady F'ing Little" Tyree's "F'ing helmet". And I could go on and on.
But there is a difference between a fan's elevating their sports anguish to self-flagellation, and denying the demonstrated brilliance of Brady.
The denial was nuts 10 years ago, today its fucking delusional, or pure trolling.
Brady was not born in Kenya.
The Pylon will not be thought of in the same way as the Drive, the Fumble, the Shot, Red Right 88 or the Useless Piece of Horse Manure Blowing a Save By Throwing His Horse Shit Slider to a Batter Who Could Not Have.Cuaght Up to his Fastball If He Was at 70' 7" (Still Working on That One). Too much time to the end of the game. Henne's scramble was more important overall.
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I agree with the sports analyst who pointed out that it took Brady like 21 seasons to reach an NFC Championship game. How good could he be?
Many people say that Brady is the Jamie Moyer of football; a compiler who played on good teams that won, and likely would have won without him.
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... Useless Piece of Horse Manure Blowing a Save By Throwing His Horse Shit Slider to a Batter Who Could Not Have.Cuaght Up to his Fastball If He Was at 70' 7" (Still Working on That One).
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Um...Table that one, for now?
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I agree with the sports analyst who pointed out that it took Brady like 21 seasons to reach an NFC Championship game. How good could he be?
Many people say that Brady is the Jamie Moyer of football; a compiler who played on good teams that won, and likely would have won without him.
I’d be interested in finding one person who said that (and since you’ve never demonstrated any knowledge about football, I’ll discount you) let alone “ many”.
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I agree with the sports analyst who pointed out that it took Brady like 21 seasons to reach an NFC Championship game. How good could he be?
That's great!
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I agree with the sports analyst who pointed out that it took Brady like 21 seasons to reach an NFC Championship game. How good could he be?
Many people say that Brady is the Jamie Moyer of football; a compiler who played on good teams that won, and likely would have won without him.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-people-saying-trump-tweet-000000450.html
You're trolling, now, of course.
Moyer never won a single Super Bowl.
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I believe that the Patriots' success the last two or so decades was due to the combination of Belichick and Brady and that Belichick remains among the handful of greatest coaches ever, but the fact remains that he's considerably sub-500 overall without Brady as his starting QB. So those "many people" arguing that the Patriots "likely would have won without" Brady probably have a tough case to make.
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I agree with the sports analyst who pointed out that it took Brady like 21 seasons to reach an NFC Championship game. How good could he be?
Many people say that Brady is the Jamie Moyer of football; a compiler who played on good teams that won, and likely would have won without him.
I’d be interested in finding one person who said that (and since you’ve never demonstrated any knowledge about football, I’ll discount you) let alone “ many”.
Many people see that you can't dispute this assertion.
Behave as expected.
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I believe that the Patriots' success the last two or so decades was due to the combination of Belichick and Brady and that Belichick remains among the handful of greatest coaches ever, but the fact remains that he's considerably sub-500 overall without Brady as his starting QB. So those "many people" arguing that the Patriots "likely would have won without" Brady probably have a tough case to make.
Brady has won nothing without Belichick.
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I agree with the sports analyst who pointed out that it took Brady like 21 seasons to reach an NFC Championship game. How good could he be?
Many people say that Brady is the Jamie Moyer of football; a compiler who played on good teams that won, and likely would have won without him.
I’d be interested in finding one person who said that (and since you’ve never demonstrated any knowledge about football, I’ll discount you) let alone “ many”.
Many people see that you can't dispute this assertion.
Behave as expected, because I always do.
FIFY
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Is the troll still upset about Jamie Moyer?
Take it to the no one gives a shit forum.
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Typical Bostonians. They are a humorless bunch of self-absorbed twits.
Heh
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If my math and predictions are accruate Brady will likely surpass Moyer in lifetime wins next year.
Tom can compile in two sports.
and will like be voted into the Cooperstown.
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As usual, banks shows a stunning inability to see what is directly in front of him, thereby confusing himself further with each successive off-topic post.
SSDD
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NFL Lines
Bucs
Packers -3.5 51
Bills
Chiefs -3 54
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As usual, banks shows a stunning inability to see what is directly in front of him, thereby confusing himself further with each successive off-topic post.
SSDD
I see a troll directly in front of me.
So I step around the steaming pile of vomit and dung
SSDD
LMAO
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Liking the BILLS
No clue on the other.
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Phillip Rivers hangs them up
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30747073/philip-rivers-retires-nfl-ending-17-year-career-spent-los-angeles-chargers-indianapolis-colts (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30747073/philip-rivers-retires-nfl-ending-17-year-career-spent-los-angeles-chargers-indianapolis-colts)
Philip Rivers is retiring from football, ending his 17-year career as one of the most prolific quarterbacks in NFL history.
Rivers, who spent this past season with the Indianapolis Colts after 16 years with the Los Angeles Chargers, said in a statement Wednesday that playing quarterback in the NFL was his "childhood dream."
While Rivers, 39, never played in a Super Bowl, it was one of the few glaring omissions on an otherwise remarkable resume. He ranks fifth in NFL history with 63,440 passing yards, behind only Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Brett Favre. The eight-time Pro Bowler also is fifth in league history with 421 touchdown passes -- again behind only Brady, Brees, Manning and Favre.
IMO Hall of better than Moyer but not of HoF worthy,
clse though-I could change my mind
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heh
Two fifty two.
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Buffalo and Tampa Bay are my choices for today.
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Pack -3.5 31 Bucs 24. Over 51
Bills +3 27 Chiefs 24. Under 54
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I've been Team Tom all year
this one's more heart over head
Tompa 30
Packers 23
Bills 27
Chiefs 24
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That was a quick start. Three 3rd down conversions. A deep pass.
I hope it bodes well.
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Patriots passed on Diggs
https://www.nfl.com/news/patriots-considered-trading-for-stefon-diggs-prior-to-blockbuster-vikings-bills-
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Looks like Brady may need to be damn near perfect today
And he has been.
Todd Berman's GB over 13.5 first half may soon be a hit. Funny - he said Pack could very well not be ahead - but thought they would come out strong offensively early
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Meanwhile Bill Cowher's "the defenses show up - 24-17 Pack" not looking quite so good.
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Anyway (as the jinx hits and its 14-10) - good first half
Biggest play thus far was the 3rd and 15 from the Green Bay 5 - as Pack marches for first score.
Godwin reception to the 20 a close second.
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that was some insane shit to end the half.
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That pass at the end may be the biggest play, now.
Certainly was unexpected!
The "over" certainly has a shot.
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Great coaching.
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Great playing.
And... wow!
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Much tighter, now.
Brady & Co. have to do something if they want to win this game.
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Exciting for GBP!
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The IMPERFECT Brady shows up.
I think a kicker wins this.
(Smart bet was GB by 3 - of course)
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The IMPERFECT Brady shows up.
I think a kicker wins this.
(Smart bet was GB by 3 - of course)
Because Brady is responsible for a receiver's tipping the ball in the air. I know it goes on his record as an INT.
But that one is on Tom!
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I think the field goal call was not what I would have done there - betting the defense can stop them fast enough with the 3 times out and the 2 minute warning seems like a big gamble.
And what's with that slide?!
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Wow.
Weird last minute
FG at 2+ mark?
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But that one is on Tom!
Undoubtedly
But he has a chance now to finish it with a kneeldown, thanks to LaFleur. And I would say thanks to Rodgers poor decision not to run for the end zone.
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(https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2019/02/ap-patriots-rams-super-bowl-football-e1549234904144.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1)
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It wasn't always pretty-but the fucking guy is unreal and knows how to win and inspire others to be their best.
He's really remarkable
The GOAT
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But that one is on Tom!
Undoubtedly
But he has a chance now to finish it with a kneeldown, thanks to LaFleur. And I would say thanks to Rodgers poor decision not to run for the end zone.
I thought he had a good shhot at running it in.
and the FG was a curious choice.
I liked it as it basically locked the spread
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Pretty clear the FIX WAS IN on that one.
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Pretty clear the FIX WAS IN on that one.
Just like on this one.
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It wasn't always pretty-but the fucking guy is unreal and knows how to win and inspire others to be their best.
He's really remarkable
The GOAT
Well....
Never mind
A win is a win.
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It is very nice of Buffalo's opponents to let spot them points at the outset.
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It wasn't always pretty-but the fucking guy is unreal and knows how to win and inspire others to be their best.
He's really remarkable
The GOAT
Well....
Never mind
A win is a win.
You seem to be struggling with facts, Kid.
Every other person who has been quarterback age 40 and above has won a total of 51 games, combined, while losing 64.
Brady has won 47 and lost 17.
That's skipping playoffs.
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It wasn't always pretty-but the fucking guy is unreal and knows how to win and inspire others to be their best.
He's really remarkable
The GOAT
Well....
Never mind
A win is a win.
Yup a win is a win.
But this one was on the road, against the #1 seed, and against the presumed league MVP and a QB often mentioned as one of the greatest ever.
Not an easy challenge
and Brady was not at his best, nor has he been for about 5 years.
though he did play a helluva first half, but he manages to bring the best out of his team mates
He really is a remarkable player.
Shame you don't appreciate his game-you missed a lot of great football from a remarkable player and GOAT.
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It wasn't always pretty-but the fucking guy is unreal and knows how to win and inspire others to be their best.
He's really remarkable
The GOAT
Well....
Never mind
A win is a win.
You seem to be struggling with facts, Kid.
Every other person who has been quarterback age 40 and above has won a total of 51 games, combined, while losing 64.
Brady has won 47 and lost 17.
That's skipping playoffs.
The facts are Brady was his usual self as far as leadership today, but subpar in terms of his skill set. He did make enough plays given the performance of his mates.
Would love for the Brady lore to grow - if we find out it was his idea how the first half did end.
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and Brady was not at his best.
Right.
But Rodgers missed throws at key times as well
I was surprised that both did. Would have preferred one or the other be great.
One's coach giving his QB a chance end of half 1 vs the other NOT giving HIS a chance end of half 2 - sure tells a tale.
Johnny Mac pulling Clemens the only equivalent I can think to what LaFleur did.
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heh
kid sees so much after that fact, yet does not understand.
SSDD
The Happy to Be There Syndrome seems to have caught up with the Bills.
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We agreed Tom didnt have a great game
Try to accept things as they are sometimes. Without needing to debate or degrade.
Tom isnt the first QB to have backed into a playoff win.
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“Don’t degrade!”
“Tom backed into the win.”
Same writer. Same post.
Does anybody else realize what a clown Kid is? No need to answer, really.
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We agreed Tom didnt have a great game
Try to accept things as they are sometimes. Without needing to debate or degrade.
Tom isnt the first QB to have backed into a playoff win.
Tom had the lead for the entire game.
How did he back-in if he had the lead opening drive to final whistle?
HEH
Kid I understand that your command of Englsih is very limited, so you often post gibberish,
And there is no reason to accept those things that are clearly false,
Does anybody else realize what a clown Kid is? No need to answer, really.
Kid is Elba's village idiot and a repeat winner.
Kid is to village idiots what Brady is to greatest QBs of all-time.
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Have to disagree, Banks.
Compared to Bambu, Kid is lucid, thoughtful, and a paragon of communication.
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Looks like its field goals vs touchdowns in this one
Oh well, good season, Bills.
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Pretty clear the FIX WAS IN on that one.
Fix?
The Packers give up a half-the-field de facto Hail Mary at the end of the first half. Pack Coach LeFleur admits he had an off-day on key calls like an unneeded 2 point conversion and then passing on a fourth down play to
potentially tie the game( after Rodgers passed on an open field run to the end zone?
Tampa Bay led the entire game and the Packers will have a year of nightmares remembering their futility of stopping the Buccaneers on third and long.
Fun game to watch, though.
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Have to disagree, Banks.
Compared to Bambu, Kid is lucid, thoughtful, and a paragon of communication.
I consider Bambu a visitor from a different continent, and generally culturally clueless and so I exclude him from my rankings. And literally pay no attention to him. Tony I'm reasonably sure is a visitor from another universe.
Kid on the other hand understand the rules of the road, but generally drive backwards on the wrong side of the road, and wonders why people honk at him and denies he's doing anytrhing wrong.
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Pretty clear the FIX WAS IN on that one.
Fix?
The Packers give up a half-the-field de facto Hail Mary at the end of the first half. Pack Coach LeFleur admits he had an off-day on key calls like an unneeded 2 point conversion and then passing on a fourth down play to
potentially tie the game( after Rodgers passed on an open field run to the end zone?
Tampa Bay led the entire game and the Packers will have a year of nightmares remembering their futility of stopping the Buccaneers on third and long.
Fun game to watch, though.
Maybe if you posted here more than once in awhile you would have understood my sarcasm. My fault.
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But I agree that "backed into" is a pretty funny way to describe it.
Brady outplayed his young opponent. And he earned the chance he got at the end of the 1st half by his play - and that made the difference in the game.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/big-bucs-td-set-up-by-blatant-missed-pass-interference-penalty-on-aaron-rodgers-interception-214952369.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/big-bucs-td-set-up-by-blatant-missed-pass-interference-penalty-on-aaron-rodgers-interception-214952369.html)
Blatant.
Non-call.
Changes game.
As usual.
Patterns mean something.
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This one is looking pretty over.
Knocking on the door to potentially make it a one score game was exciting, but yet another QB has thrown a Red Zone pick.
Brees, Rodgers, and Mahomes, in succession - that would test any quarterback in any era.
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What does the other teams Qb’s have to do with Brady?
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What does the other teams Qb’s have to do with Brady?
Their ability to play influences how much time his team has and the chances of their being able to comeback when down, as we have seen in the past.
The better the opposing QB, the more pressure on yours.
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Oh.
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I think we expect a certain level of high play from certain QBa, and Brees, Rodgers and Mahomes (2 1st round HoF locks, and a likely 3rd) would fall into that category of QB. So I think any QB beating those 3 QBs in 3 successive games culminating in a championship is a noteworthy achievement, as presumably in this case, Brady, would have to play at an elvated level for 3 succesive games against the best of the best.
It doesn't seem a stretch as a comparison.
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Bills showing their youth and inexperience, now.
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Patriots caught up in funny business.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/patriots-themselves-caught-litigation-between-173035087.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/patriots-themselves-caught-litigation-between-173035087.html)
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Patriots caught up in funny business.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/patriots-themselves-caught-litigation-between-173035087.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/patriots-themselves-caught-litigation-between-173035087.html)
It's a pretty stupid move by the coach's former employer and business as usual for football hiring by the Pats. The only odd thing about it is the suit.
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early line in SB is KC -3
seems a little light off of todays game
Chiefs looked like the best team of the 4 today
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Better take that line now if you like Chiefs
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If you can find it, GREENY's opening monologue today on ESPN/ESPN Radio is awesome.
Puts Brady with Jordan (actually ahead), Ruth and Gretzky in team sports history.
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Did he say anything Brady backing into the win yesterday?
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If you can find it, GREENY's opening monologue today on ESPN/ESPN Radio is awesome.
Puts Brady with Jordan (actually ahead), Ruth and Gretzky in team sports history.
Clearly the man has never heard of Otto Graham.
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If you can find it, GREENY's opening monologue today on ESPN/ESPN Radio is awesome.
Puts Brady with Jordan (actually ahead), Ruth and Gretzky in team sports history.
Clearly the man has never heard of Otto Graham.
I didn't hear the Greeny monologue, and context and content matters, but as long as we're wearing our home jerseys, if he did have have Bill Russell looking down on the shoulders of Ruth, Gretzky, Jordan Brady, or anyone and their contributions to team sports, he sort of missed the mark.
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Better take that line now if you like Chiefs
As we get closer to gametime, I could see this line climbing to 4.5+ and i'd still be leary of it.
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Rodgers to the Patriots? Discuss.
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Rodgers to the Patriots? Discuss.
If I were he, I'd leap at it.
If I were GB, I would laugh. Not happening.
If I were the Pats, it would be salary dependent and unlikely to work, but if GB were so inclined, I'd assume Rodgers was injured, somehow.
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Rodgers to the Patriots? Discuss.
Doesn't Stafford make more sense? I mean, they need a QB for more than next year. Stafford has more years on him, though I think Indy is a better fit. For what IW, winning with Stafford as a QB might feed BB's ego better than Rodgers.
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I'd pinpoint a little used QB and take a shot.
Dude from Washington is an example. Pittsburgh's Joshua Dobbs is another.
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Rodgers to the Patriots? Discuss.
doubtful.
Its not the "value" type of player BB likes.
And GB would likely want to a lot of draft capital.
and as boz alludes to, BB's ego might require him winning with a lesser talent than Rodgers.
and there is the prima dona factor
And if he didn't win with Rodgers BB's legacy might take a hit.
Stafford if healed might fit the mold and budget better.
Decent QB, who needs a new team and a chance to restart their career.
He's younger (32) than Rodgers and is under a "reasonable" contract and would give the Pats time to find a long-term answer
But what I've read indicates there could be a lot of bidders-so that might rule out the value aspect.
We'll see.
IMO BB has 2+ years to reboot, as most rational people won't hold 2020 and its general and team specific challenges against him.
But the clock is ticking and it wil get loud pretty quickly.
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Rodgers to the Patriots? Discuss.
- doubtful
heh
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By the way - hearing now that LaFleur cant count - thought they were down 9.
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Rodgers to the Patriots? Discuss.
- doubtful
heh
I gave an opinion backed with about 6 observations all on point, and all you can manage is a "heh".
SSDD
kid do you get comped for building your post count?
heh
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Ooooooo....
Six. Very nice
Obviously it was not a serious thought - which is why I chuckled at you even responding
Dont work so hard at it
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Heineke. Dobbs. Add if you wish
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I'd pinpoint a little used QB and take a shot.
Dude from Washington is an example. Pittsburgh's Joshua Dobbs is another.
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Ooooooo....
Six. Very nice
Obviously it was not a serious thought - which is why I chuckled at you even responding
Dont work so hard at it
talking about football is easy and that post with several off the top of my head observations took a few minutes to compose and post.
and you're response was
heh
Pats are familiar with WFT's Heinicke as thry had him in camp a few years ago, but i sense BB needs someone with a little more resume to compete for QB
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was in the money for about 3 hours yesterday
6-5 ATS after the Bucs upset win.
Chiefs brought me back to reality and 6-6 in the post-season
9-3 straight winners.
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Not bad
6-6
2-10
7-5
as the befuddled year continues
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Not bad
6-6
2-10
7-5
as the befuddled year continues
2-10 against the spread that's hard to do kid.
perhaps you should consider the George Costanza approach and do the opposite of your initial thoughts.
heh
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Heineke. Dobbs. Add if you wish
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I'd pinpoint a little used QB and take a shot.
Dude from Washington is an example. Pittsburgh's Joshua Dobbs is another.
Why the fuck respond to you if you aren't going to tell us which posts you actually care about?
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I don't follow this guy, generally just see a few hot takes a year, off of reccomendations of others, but this made me laugh
Max Kellerman
@maxkellerman
Tom Brady has had a full Hall of Fame career...in the time SINCE I made the cliff prediction.
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Heineke. Dobbs. Add if you wish
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I'd pinpoint a little used QB and take a shot.
Dude from Washington is an example. Pittsburgh's Joshua Dobbs is another.
Why the fuck respond to you if you aren't going to tell us which posts you actually care about?
uhh...........what???
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I don't follow this guy, generally just see a few hot takes a year, off of reccomendations of others, but this made me laugh
Max Kellerman
@maxkellerman
Tom Brady has had a full Hall of Fame career...in the time SINCE I made the cliff prediction.
Pretty classy by Mr. Kellerman.
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Heineke. Dobbs. Add if you wish
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I'd pinpoint a little used QB and take a shot.
Dude from Washington is an example. Pittsburgh's Joshua Dobbs is another.
Why the fuck respond to you if you aren't going to tell us which posts you actually care about?
uhh...........what???
How soon you forget.
Obviously it was not a serious thought - which is why I chuckled at you even responding
"Obviously" you are full of crap and trying to disprove my point from the other day when I insisted you had worthwhile things to say on the sports topics.
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Obviously it was not a serious thought - which is why I chuckled at you even responding
This wasnt directed at you
I will explain one more time. If a post immediately succeeds another it is a response to that person. If in the interim someone squeezes a post in between I will go back and make sure I note who I am responding to - either by name or by repeating the quote
As you were
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kid no one to my knowledge thought that Rodgers to the Pats was serious, or realistic, but the broader topic which was discussed by boz Josh, and you and which I addressed was the Pats obvious need at QB.
Earlier this year, pre-season, you and i had a discussion on Cam Newton, and to be kind you were far more enthusiatic than I. I was not a Cam guy and thought he was a stop-gap measure until a young guy could be found.
The pats are in the same place and to be kind BB wasted the year, but it was a good year to waste for thr pats given all the covid opt outs etc. But he's getting older and needs to rebuild pronto.
Another thought not adddressed re Stafford is the complication of the Pats adding his forner HC, Matt Patricia to staff. I would think that would likely knock Stafford out. Or maybe Matty has glowing thing to say.
There seems some sentiment about doing a return to sender deal for Jimmy G as supposedly BB hated trading him in the first place.
and kid-why don't you either address the poster you're addressing by name, or use the quote function?
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Obviously it was not a serious thought - which is why I chuckled at you even responding
This wasnt directed at you
I don't give a fuck, Kid.
Your posts that are not to be taken seriously need to indicate they are not meant to be serious, or you should expect none of your posts will get serious responses because we never know when you are going to blow off our serious responses by pretending you weren't serious.
Like your idol does.
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and kid-why don't you either address the poster you're addressing by name, or use the quote function?
It would require a miniscule effort from him toward consideration of others.
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The pats are in the same place and to be kind BB wasted the year, but it was a good year to waste for thr pats given all the covid opt outs etc. But he's getting older and needs to rebuild pronto.
I guess. Unless he seeks another pasture.
Does Bellechick have full control of buying the froceries?
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So..how many lamps did BB break during TB's win Sunday?
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Your posts that are not to be taken seriously need to indicate they are not meant to be serious...
WTF are you talking about? The Rodgers bit didn't come from me. I commented on Bank's comment on UNO's Rodgers/Patriots post.
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BB could not do it without Brady?
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Jesus what is Watson going to cost?
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Detroit should start a 🐑 farm because they just fleeced the Rams
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Jesus what is Watson going to cost?
😁😂
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Rams are close - and it could be said with better QB play they are right there in the league with anyone.
Late ones, right? Good players, I am sure.
Goff wasnt part of the value going back. Figuring in Stafford as the new starter it is a positive to deal Goff in this one - losing his $$. Dont think by himself Goff brings much of anything back if offered around the L.
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Jesus what is Watson going to cost?
Priceless
Will he hold out is the question
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Local TV is calling it champa bay.
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10% chance of rain, high 60s. Bucs 3.5 dogs.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/us/britt-reid-accident-kansas-city/index.html
I hope the kid in critical condition is okay and, really, that is the most important thing.
But I cannot believe that this will have no impact on Andy Reid and, to a lesser extent, the players who work with Britt Reid.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/us/britt-reid-accident-kansas-city/index.html
I hope the kid in critical condition is okay and, really, that is the most important thing.
But I cannot believe that this will have no impact on Andy Reid and, to a lesser extent, the players who work with Britt Reid.
Wow. Pretty low using a tragedy to try and divine the outcome of a game.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/us/britt-reid-accident-kansas-city/index.html
I hope the kid in critical condition is okay and, really, that is the most important thing.
But I cannot believe that this will have no impact on Andy Reid and, to a lesser extent, the players who work with Britt Reid.
Wow. Pretty low using a tragedy to try and divine the outcome of a game.
Pretty stupid to make such a claim.
Are you claiming that it won't have an impact?!
You are a mockery of your former self.
Reid, who was scheduled to leave with the Chiefs on Saturday for Super Bowl LV against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, is not expected to travel to Tampa, Florida, a source told ESPN.
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The officer statement said Reid complained of stomach pains. A source told ESPN's Dianna Russini that Reid is in the hospital with undisclosed injuries and could be there for days.
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early line in SB is KC -3
seems a little light off of todays game
Chiefs looked like the best team of the 4 today
line had held at KC-3 since it opened
although to get -3 requires a -115 to -120 wager.
thought it would moved a little north-see what happens tomorrow
still trying to divine the game
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/us/britt-reid-accident-kansas-city/index.html
I hope the kid in critical condition is okay and, really, that is the most important thing.
But I cannot believe that this will have no impact on Andy Reid and, to a lesser extent, the players who work with Britt Reid.
Wow. Pretty low using a tragedy to try and divine the outcome of a game.
Pretty stupid to make such a claim.
Are you claiming that it won't have an impact?!
You are a mockery of your former self.
No, this is who he has always been.
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Tickets to first super bowl in 1967, $12.00.
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41-24 CHIEFS
Signing up for the FanDuel 55-1 promotion
5 bucks gets us 275 in bets on credit if Chiefs (or if you bet Bucs) win the game outright
Hopefully get something going for little investment.
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Congratulations to Charles Woodson for his election to the pro football Hall of Fame.
He becomes just the tenth Heisman Trophy winner in the Pro Hall.
He is one of the best football players I ever saw in person, albeit only as a college player.
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The rolling announcement of inductees took place over a two-hour window. Below are the names of the Class of 2021:
Peyton Manning
Charles Woodson
Calvin Johnson
Drew Pearson
Alan Faneca
Bill Nunn
John Lynch
Tom Flores
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Who is the only NFL Quarterback to start a Super Bowl on teams from both the NFC and the AFC?
He went 1-1.
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That’s Craig Morton for Cowboys and Broncos.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/us/britt-reid-accident-kansas-city/index.html
I hope the kid in critical condition is okay and, really, that is the most important thing.
But I cannot believe that this will have no impact on Andy Reid and, to a lesser extent, the players who work with Britt Reid.
Wow. Pretty low using a tragedy to try and divine the outcome of a game.
Pretty stupid to make such a claim.
Are you claiming that it won't have an impact?!
You are a mockery of your former self.
No, this is who he has always been.
This is where Larry would say "go fuck your mother!"
But my white privilege doesn't extend to such abuse.
So, for you I say, just stay on the sidelines, counselor.
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Congratulations to Charles Woodson for his election to the pro football Hall of Fame.
He becomes just the tenth Heisman Trophy winner in the Pro Hall.
He is one of the best football players I ever saw in person, albeit only as a college player.
So, you played college football? I guess that explains your head injury.
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The rolling announcement of inductees took place over a two-hour window. Below are the names of the Class of 2021:
Peyton Manning
Charles Woodson
Calvin Johnson
Drew Pearson
Alan Faneca
Bill Nunn
John Lynch
Tom Flores
Sweet.
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https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1566619446870562&id=100005675657319&set=gm.931866780916223&source=48
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Yo-ho-ho
and a bottle of TB12 electrolyte-infused designer water
GO Bucs!
run the ball, control the clock, nickel and dime 'em, harass Mahomes, get a couple of punts and maybe a turnover or two
and maybe
Bucs 34
Chiefs 30
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Anyway, by starting his 10 th pro football championship game Tom Brady ties the record held by Otto Graham, who needed about half as many years to do it.
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Didnt see one UNDER pick today
I do think if it is 10-10 at half the over still plays.
Honey Badger checks in......negated - on likely a poor call
Looked ticky-tacky vs Ward
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It'll likely change but TB looking reluctant to throw deep
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Now the fucking chick ref gets involved
Jeez - disgusting
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Wow. These refs aren't even letting them play. Terrible display if officiating.
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Thats a DPI on the Kelce catch.
Ridiculous.
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Uncatchae ball. Guy trips, falls, unintentional contact. They call PI to give Tampa the ball in the red zone
Horrible.
And now another flag.
To give them the ball on the 1.
FIXED.
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Didnt see one UNDER pick today
I do think if it is 10-10 at half the over still plays.
Honey Badger checks in......negated - on likely a poor call
Looked ticky-tacky vs Ward
Cowher had the Bucs 24-20, only under I saw.
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The Trumpettes are out in farce here.
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rout for the bucs at halftime. Why is this assclown doing halftime? weekend really! No gorgeous ladies with costume malfunctions,
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I guess "Up with People" was booked.
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Kelce mauled again by 54
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Now the fucking chick ref gets involved
Jeez - disgusting
That was my response. But I suspect about different things.
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According to
@EliasSports
The Buccaneers’ 6 first downs via penalty are already the most for a team in a #SuperBowl

The previous record was 4, done by 8 teams.
And they called a penalty on The Weeknd at halftime. Too many aliens on the field.
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93 cheap shot on Mahomes - no call
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Another Asterisk event.
So far the MVP is Carl Cheffers.
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surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC loyalists
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NFC forever!
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NFC forever!
For tonight
heh
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surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC loyalists
I just wanted to see a good game.
But the refs destroyed that.
Examples abound.
Among the worst SBs ever.
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LOL can these receivers catch?
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Buc's D is crushing it tonight
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surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC loyalists
I just wanted to see a good game.
But the refs destroyed that.
Examples abound.
Among the worst SBs ever.
I've enjoyed it.
Though it was far more lopsided that I divined.
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surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC loyalists
I just wanted to see a good game.
But the refs destroyed that.
Examples abound.
Among the worst SBs ever.
yes
TB isnt to blame but the game should have been closer.
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Thank Buffalo for that offensive line of KC.
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surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC loyalists
I just wanted to see a good game.
But the refs destroyed that.
Examples abound.
Among the worst SBs ever.
yes
TB isnt to blame but the game should have been closer.
Agree. This game will be remembered for the refs.
By objective football fans.
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Two replacement OTs more than refs.
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Missed another one
Hill makes the catch while being MAULED - and they move it back ten on O holding
If he drops it is it a DPI? Then call it anyway
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Bucs crushed the Chiefs
JUST CRUSHED
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In another week or so Brady and Trump(plus families) can celebrate privately and Nancy Armour can go fuck herself.
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surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC loyalists
I just wanted to see a good game.
But the refs destroyed that.
Examples abound.
Among the worst SBs ever.
yes
TB isnt to blame but the game should have been closer.
Agree. This game will be remembered for the refs.
By objective football fans.
It was bad - no doubt
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Even the Pros agree:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/jets/2021/02/super-bowl-2021-are-refs-screwing-patrick-mahomes-chiefs-against-tom-bradys-buccaneers.html%3foutputType=amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/jets/2021/02/super-bowl-2021-are-refs-screwing-patrick-mahomes-chiefs-against-tom-bradys-buccaneers.html%3foutputType=amp)
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DEE FENSE was immense
totally crushed the the baby goat
LMAO
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GOAT7
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DEE FENSE was immense
totally crushed the the baby goat
LMAO
Try not to display your ignorance.
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DEE FENSE was immense
totally crushed the the baby goat
LMAO
Try not to display your ignorance.
LMAO
Bucs dominated that game beginning to end.
KC made one play all night when they stopped the Bucs at the goal line.
Otherwise it would have been worse.
KC got fucked all night and will deliver a beautful baby goat in about 9 months
HEH
dry your tears troll.
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As one of the folks in the ref beef article observed, KC returned the favor and made significant mistakes. And many of the calls were just dead on, but oddly enough, not a single Ref's call all night was correct if it wasn't on TB, to Kid and Ham.
It's amazing.
I am sure Pat Toomey would have helped the Chiefs if he were alive and played football. Alive, as he is, not so much.
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Terrible game. Shows what happens when you have a decimated offensive line. Mahomes took a real beating. Officials were awful.---Mike Francesa
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As one of the folks in the ref beef article observed, KC returned the favor and made significant mistakes. And many of the calls were just dead on, but oddly enough, not a single Ref's call all night was correct if it wasn't on TB, to Kid and Ham.
It's amazing.
I am sure Pat Toomey would have helped the Chiefs if he were alive and played football. Alive, as he is, not so much.
Unlike your parents, josh, I admit my mistakes. Run along and protect little Larry.
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As the penalties in the first half mounted against the Kansas City Chiefs in Super Bowl 55 the Internet, never full of conspiracy theories, ever, started the inevitable speculation that game officials wanted Buccaneers quarterback Tom Brady to win.
There's no conspiracy. There's no Commissioner Roger Goodell hitting a button that connected directly to the cerebral cortex of the refs that caused them to punish the Chiefs. It was none of that. It was a normal NFL problem that's been one for years.
The inconsistency of NFL officiating is the issue. One week, such as the NFC Championship game between the Buccaneers and Packers, the officials let them basically clobber each other. It was UFC fight in that game.
Then, a week later, the rules seem to change. Things are called much tighter. This is a weekly thing in the NFL and has long been a problem. The issue just gets magnified because it's the Super Bowl.
Tampa Bay's 31-9 victory over Kansas City has numerous storylines but make no mistake, the officiating, especially in the first half, is one of the biggest because of how small the refs were.
Several key first half sequences changed the course of the game and will be discussed for years.
surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC loyalists
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-freeman/2021/02/07/super-bowl-referees-officiating-terrible-but-no-conspiracy/4431555001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-freeman/2021/02/07/super-bowl-referees-officiating-terrible-but-no-conspiracy/4431555001/)
I just wanted to see a good game.
But the refs destroyed that.
Examples abound.
Among the worst SBs ever.
yes
TB isnt to blame but the game should have been closer.
Agree. This game will be remembered for the refs.
By objective football fans.
LET THEM PLAY. It's all we want.
This game has a HUGE *
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This game will probably be he one that gets the NFL to change the SuperBowl MVP Award to the Brady Trophy.
That is, if he ever retires.
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As one of the folks in the ref beef article observed, KC returned the favor and made significant mistakes. And many of the calls were just dead on, but oddly enough, not a single Ref's call all night was correct if it wasn't on TB, to Kid and Ham.
It's amazing.
I am sure Pat Toomey would have helped the Chiefs if he were alive and played football. Alive, as he is, not so much.
Unlike your parents, josh, I admit my mistakes. Run along and protect little Larry.
My parents pretty much thought I was a mistake for decades, asshole, and weren't subtle about it.
But you? You only admit some of your mistakes. Better than Kid, who admits next to none. Or Ward, who can't admit a misspelled word.
I admit mistakes, too, Ham. Your personal attacks went over the line. If you could admit that, it would be a good start.
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This game will probably be he one that gets the NFL to change the SuperBowl MVP Award to the Brady Trophy.
That is, if he ever retires.
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The Super Bowl 55 MVP: (https://davihundotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/nfl_penalty_flag.png)
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By right it is 10-6 at half
Does the game then develop a different feel after halftime? We do not know.
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As one of the folks in the ref beef article observed, KC returned the favor and made significant mistakes. And many of the calls were just dead on, but oddly enough, not a single Ref's call all night was correct if it wasn't on TB, to Kid and Ham.
It's amazing.
I am sure Pat Toomey would have helped the Chiefs if he were alive and played football. Alive, as he is, not so much.
Unlike your parents, josh, I admit my mistakes. Run along and protect little Larry.
My parents pretty much thought I was a mistake for decades, asshole, and weren't subtle about it.
But you? You only admit some of your mistakes. Better than Kid, who admits next to none. Or Ward, who can't admit a misspelled word.
I admit mistakes, too, Ham. Your personal attacks went over the line. If you could admit that, it would be a good start.
Uh-huh, sure, Josh.
No personal attacks, josh. Just stated facts.
Not my fault that some folks have such thin skin. (Is it okay if I say "skin", or does that make me a racist?)
Everyone knows how unevenly you pass judgement. Everyone but you.
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By right it is 10-6 at half
Does the game then develop a different feel after halftime? We do not know.
There's that. And those terrible calls led to a lead that afforded a different game going forward. Anyone who knows football understands their impact.
We know, too, that Aaron Rodgers wants to know what PI really is.
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By right it is 10-6 at half
Does the game then develop a different feel after halftime? We do not know.
So by right the Chief's stop at the goal line was good D, and results in no points for the Bucs, but the Chiefs poor clock management and poor D at the end of the half and the two PI flags, shouldn't count?
This game was a blow-out.
Rough break on that $5 55-1 bet.
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surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC loyalists
I just wanted to see a good game.
But the refs destroyed that.
Examples abound.
Among the worst SBs ever.
yes
TB isnt to blame but the game should have been closer.
Agree. This game will be remembered for the refs.
By objective football fans.
It was bad - no doubt
What the fuck were you watching.?
Kansas City score 9 measley points.
9
No touchdowns
That’s bad offense
Or better defense.
Put on some big boy pants and pay homage to the better team.
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By right it is 10-6 at half
Does the game then develop a different feel after halftime? We do not know.
So by right the Chief's stop at the goal line was good D, and results in no points for the Bucs, but the Chiefs poor clock management and poor D at the end of the half and the two PI flags, shouldn't count?
This game was a blow-out.
Rough break on that $5 55-1 bet.
Yeah, I hear you on the clock management - once they went to 2 minute warning on first down they should have been running the ball (bit TB likely calls time outs then, dont they?) And I didnt see the Bucs drive that ended the half. I was cooking. May go back and get a look
Bothersome? The offsides on the FG was a joke. That started the ball rolling. Suh getting away with a hit to Mahomes head - and multiple DPI not called on TB factored - this all long before the boars knew Chiefs had to throw and pinned their ears back in dominant fashion
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No personal attacks, josh. Just stated facts.
No, dipshit. Your attack on his late wife was over the top and had nothing to do with "stated facts."
Everyone knows how unevenly you pass judgement. Everyone but you.
Ham, if I were who you think I am, as soon as you showed your face here again, after I banned you last time, I would have blocked you again.
I allowed you to stay.
You seem intent on proving that was a mistake.
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By right it is 10-6 at half
Does the game then develop a different feel after halftime? We do not know.
So by right the Chief's stop at the goal line was good D, and results in no points for the Bucs, but the Chiefs poor clock management and poor D at the end of the half and the two PI flags, shouldn't count?
This game was a blow-out.
Rough break on that $5 55-1 bet.
Yeah, I hear you on the clock management - once they went to 2 minute warning on first down they should have been running the ball (bit TB likely calls time outs then, dont they?) And I didnt see the Bucs drive that ended the half. I was cooking. May go back and get a look
Bothersome? The offsides on the FG was a joke. That started the ball rolling. Suh getting away with a hit to Mahomes head - and multiple DPI not called on TB factored - this all long before the boars knew Chiefs had to throw and pinned their ears back in dominant fashion
Anyone with half a brain understood who was the far better team tonight. And it wasn't close, and flags had little to do with the outcome of the game.
Mahomes played like crap, behind a make-shift O-line and was running for his life half the game. And Brady ran the ball early and then mostly nickel and dimedand picked apart the Chiefs. Nothing spectacular but he had the plan to beat the champs.
The Bucs won this game on the front lines and literally beat the shit out of the Chiefs
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Cry-Cry-Cry😢😂😢😂😢😂
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Bucs crushed the Chiefs
JUST CRUSHED
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/02/08/super-bowl-lv-55-takeaways-bucs-back-up-trash-talk-bowles-brady-shine-officiating-struggle
I Mean, This Was a Butt Kicking: The officiating was problematic in the first half, but it wouldn’t have mattered in the end. The Bucs outplayed and, especially, outcoached the Chiefs in every way imaginable.
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The Bucs Will Take Those Points at the End of the First Half: There were some questionable calls in the first half, but the 34-yard pass interference penalty on Bashaud Breeland was not one of them. The Chiefs used a time out after stuffing Leonard Fournette on the first play of that drive, and another after giving up eight yards on second down, and the Bucs made them pay for it in the form of seven points heading into halftime.
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Andy Reid, Just … Didn’t Do Anything: He didn’t get his tackles help, he didn’t put Patrick Mahomes on the move, the Chiefs barely did any chip-blocking, and they seemed shocked that the Bucs were focused on taking away Tyreek Hill. This is a tape to burn for the Chiefs players, but probably for the coaching staff too. What did they do for two weeks?
Or, as BA put it, back when they signed Tom Brady:
“He is a proven winner who will provide the leadership, accountability and work ethic necessary to lead us to our goal of winning another championship,” head coach Bruce Arians said when Brady signed with Tampa Bay last March.
Mission accomplished.
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I do wonder what Satan will be demanding from Tom Brady---beyond his soul, of course.
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Bowles called an amazing game again defended Hill and held the chefs touchdownless. Just a failure as a HC maybe it was just the Jets management.
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KC certainly could have used some better punting. That guy was shaky as hell.
The unnecessary roughness penalty early 2Q was a nothing cheapie.
But Chiefs were sloppy and committed fouls.
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I do wonder what Satan will be demanding from Tom Brady---beyond his soul, of course.
A signed game jersey and a selfie from Giselle.
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and for those who still for whatever reason don't understand the value of TB12, and unfortunately was glossed over last night, the scene before the half where Brady was screaming at the sidelines to shove the sub package, he liked what he had on the field, was a microcosm of the command the guy has on a game.
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Do your knees hurt, banks?
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And I didnt see the Bucs drive that ended the half. I was cooking.
What is your favorite method for cooking crow?
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Do your knees hurt, banks?
Nope not more than usual, but thanks for asking.
How your butt,?
I suspect it must ache something fierce after the pounding its taken over the years.
LMAO
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"Before anyone gives Tom Brady a trophy, don’t forget that the Chiefs have the right to exhaust every legal avenue to challenge the result. It would be irresponsible to congratulate the Buccaneers so early. Many many fans are upset. Wouldn’t want them to lose trust."
https://twitter.com/NubomTrk/status/1358614625881886722
(tweet may be gone by now)
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Do your knees hurt, banks?
Nope not more than usual, but thanks for asking.
How your butt,?
I suspect it must ache something fierce after the pounding its taken over the years.
LMAO
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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post-season accounting
7-6 ATS (53.8%)
10-3 straight winners
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"Before anyone gives Tom Brady a trophy, don’t forget that the Chiefs have the right to exhaust every legal avenue to challenge the result. It would be irresponsible to congratulate the Buccaneers so early. Many many fans are upset. Wouldn’t want them to lose trust."
https://twitter.com/NubomTrk/status/1358614625881886722
(tweet may be gone by now)
(https://preview.redd.it/eeccewy376g61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=96ad836965c6cccadbfea4c4193238244d4fc7b3)
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RIP Marty Schottenheimer.
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Marty had 100 more wins than Hall of Famer Tom Flores, set off by 49 more losses. Winning Super Bowls means a lot to voters. Marty S has the most wins of any coach who did not coach in Championship game -.though he came a drive and a fumble away from it.
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Schottenheimer's first and only season with the Washington team started with the team going 0-5 and finishing 8-8. He was then fired.
Another Washington coach started 0-5 in his first season and had his team rally to finish 8-8. That coach wasn't fired. His name was Joe Gibbs and he won the Super Bowl in his second season.
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Ratings are in and were somewhat down, attributed to the lack of competitiveness in the game.
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Marty had 100 more wins than Hall of Famer Tom Flores, set off by 49 more losses. Winning Super Bowls means a lot to voters. Marty S has the most wins of any coach who did not coach in Championship game -.though he came a drive and a fumble away from it.
Well... his name is Schottenheimer.
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Ratings are in and were somewhat down, attributed to the lack of competitiveness in the game.
Somewhat down?
Worst TV ratings since 1969
Least watched since 2006.
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/super-bowl-ratings-historical-viewership-chart-cbs-nbc-fox-abc/
(https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/super-bowl-ratings-historical-viewership-chart-cbs-nbc-fox-abc/)
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Not too many SB parties around. Folks staying home.
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Not too many SB parties around. Folks staying home.
You may be looking for one a wee bit late.
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post-season accounting
7-6 ATS (53.8%)
10-3 straight winners
didn't see kid report his #s for the post-season.
He must be in hiding from Vinny and Rocco
heh
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Happy GOAT Day!
Today is the birthday of both the greatest football player of all time and the greatest basketball player of all time. Jim Brown is 85 today.
It has been over 50 years since the last time he threw a woman off a balcony, so there is that.
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He might have been the greatest lacrosse player of all-time as well.
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He might have been the greatest lacrosse player of all-time as well.
Though I have not looked it up, I am confident he is the only person in both the pro football hall of fame and the lacrosse hall of fame.
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Happy GOAT Day!
Today is the birthday of both the greatest football player of all time and the greatest basketball player of all time. Jim Brown is 85 today.
It has been over 50 years since the last time he threw a woman off a balcony, so there is that.
Happy birthday to Mr Brown.
I saw him play for the Browns several times, but never saw him play lacrosse, the sport he was reportedly really good at.
And I was unaware he was the greatest basketball player of all time, or that he had a claim on the title. My guy for that title, a Mr. Russell, celebrated his 87th a few days ago.
Of all his great runs, and he had a lot, I always thought Brown's most impressive was his roof-top hand grenade RPO in Dirty Dozen, blowing up the German High Command as they were getting drunk and laid.
If not for Brown, we'd likely be speaking German today and Red would be Haupt Moderator here in Elba!
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Oh... it is also Jordan's birthday. Sorry. MJ never tossed a girlfriend off a balcony or attacked one with a shovel.
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Oh... it is also Jordan's birthday. Sorry. MJ never tossed a girlfriend off a balcony or attacked one with a shovel.
and happy birthday to MJ too.
He was a nice player, took him a few years to find his footing and finally get past the several teams who had stymied him in his early years.
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Oh... it is also Jordan's birthday. Sorry. MJ never tossed a girlfriend off a balcony or attacked one with a shovel.
and happy birthday to MJ too.
He was a nice player, took him a SCOTTIE PIPPEN to find his footing and finally get past the several teams who had stymied him in his early years.
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Oh... it is also Jordan's birthday. Sorry. MJ never tossed a girlfriend off a balcony or attacked one with a shovel.
and happy birthday to MJ too.
He was a nice player, took him a SCOTTIE PIPPEN to find his footing and finally get past the several teams who had stymied him in his early years.
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kid you couldn't fix a PBnJ sandwich if spotted 2 pieces of bread, one covered with PB and one covered with J.
it took MJ 4 year to win once he he hooked up with Pippen
and kid Rocco and Vinny are looking for you and they seemed pissed.
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1-9 in playoffs pre-Pippen
23-22 first three years with Pippen.
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1-9 in playoffs pre-Pippen
23-22 first three years with Pippen.
Point still stands-it took MJ 7 years to win a championship, after getting his ass kicked by the Celts and Pistons for the first 6 years of his career.
Its surprisng how many people don't know this about MJ.
Kid if you need help with the PBnJ-you should probably do it in another forum
Rocco and Vinny are steamed.
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Oh... it is also Jordan's birthday. Sorry. MJ never tossed a girlfriend off a balcony or attacked one with a shovel.
and happy birthday to MJ too.
He was a nice player, took him a CRAIG EHLO to find his footing and finally get past the several teams who had stymied him in his early years.
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Brown is quoted as having said, "I'd rather play lacrosse six days a week and football on the seventh."
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Heh
https://www.change.org/p/tom-brady-tom-brady-should-pay-back-his-small-business-loan (https://www.change.org/p/tom-brady-tom-brady-should-pay-back-his-small-business-loan)
Heh
Heh
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Carson Wentz to Indiana: https://sports.yahoo.com/report-eagles-trade-qb-carson-wentz-to-colts-for-multiple-draft-picks-164914417.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/report-eagles-trade-qb-carson-wentz-to-colts-for-multiple-draft-picks-164914417.html)
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Carson Wentz to Indiana: https://sports.yahoo.com/report-eagles-trade-qb-carson-wentz-to-colts-for-multiple-draft-picks-164914417.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/report-eagles-trade-qb-carson-wentz-to-colts-for-multiple-draft-picks-164914417.html)
The Eagles traded Carson Wentz to the Colts on Thursday for a 2021 third-round pick (No. 85) and a conditional 2022 second-round pick, according to multiple reports.
The 2022 pick would become a first-round selection if Wentz plays in 75 percent of the offensive snaps next season, or if he plays 70 percent of the snaps and the Colts make the playoffs.
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https://www.nj.com/jets/2021/02/nfl-draft-2021-growing-buzz-jets-will-keep-sam-darnold-trade-no-2-pick.html
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So much for all that "bad fit from the start" talk
CAM NEWTON re-signs with New England.
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So much for all that "bad fit from the start" talk
CAM NEWTON re-signs with New England.
Most Pats fans are not happy with Cam's 1-year incentive laden deal, as most watched him play last year.
He had a bad year.
Btw, as a big Cam fan, who had high expecations for the fit, did you ever settle up your losing over bet on the Pats last year.
A fool and his money...
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Most Pats fans are not happy with Cam's 1-year incentive laden deal, as most watched him play last year.
He had a bad year.
He hadnt much help
But anhow....
pro sports is always about projecting the next year.
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A look at the stats......
Newton's INT rate was at his career norm
His TD pass rate was off by 50%
But then again - unlike TB and AR, Cam likes to run them in himself (12 rushing TD to 8 passing)
QB rate?5.8.
In a SHIT year, as yous ay -
82.9. off his career 85.8
Yes - 28th in the league - but this rating doesnt include the rushing ability. (7th time over 500 rush yards, 3rd time with 10+ rushing TD)
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Newton's pressure percentage was 26%
Brady was at 18.1 and 18.5 the prior two years.
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Most Pats fans are not happy with Cam's 1-year incentive laden deal, as most watched him play last year.
He had a bad year.
He hadnt much help
But anhow....
pro sports is always about projecting the next year.
Pats were a mess last year and projected to look that way.
I figured he was not the answer.
Here's a heads up kid-they're not looking any better from my vantage point
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I figured he was not the answer.
The answer to what?
QB needs to lead. I think Cam did that - and Patriots have rewarded him.
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I figured he was not the answer.
The answer to what?
QB needs to lead. I think Cam did that - and Patriots have rewarded him.
The answer to who would be a good QB for the Pats last year.
He wasn't.
And I told you why last year and advised you to stay away from the Pats and the over.
You didn't and if you're honest, your miscalculation on that one poor decision cost you somewhere around $160-180,
a fool and their money...
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The answer to who would be a good QB for the Pats last year.
He wasn't.
Based on what?
Who would have been better?
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And I told you why last year and advised you to stay away from the Pats and the over.
yeah...
that statement on a forum really cost me
heh
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Maybe 2021 will prove to be a season where Patriots can play with the team they have assembled.
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And I told you why last year and advised you to stay away from the Pats and the over.
yeah...
that statement on a forum really cost me
heh
I did start dabbling again, thanks for the concern
Currently -15 bucks betting hoops
heh - dont think I will crash any time soon.
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And I told you why last year and advised you to stay away from the Pats and the over.
yeah...
that statement on a forum really cost me
heh
I did start dabbling again, thanks for the concern
Currently -15 bucks betting hoops
heh - dont think I will crash any time soon.
I hope you paid off Vinny and Rocco, they were pissed.
Good news is the Biden ARP will give your bankroll a boost.
HEH
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The answer to who would be a good QB for the Pats last year.
He wasn't.
Based on what?
Who would have been better?
Tom Brady.
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The answer to who would be a good QB for the Pats last year.
He wasn't.
Based on what?
Who would have been better?
Tom Brady.
It was as if BB wanted to prove in Brady's absence, he could take any QB and win.
He couldn't.
It appears BB is doubling down.
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The answer to who would be a good QB for the Pats last year.
He wasn't.
Based on what?
Who would have been better?
Tom Brady.
It was as if BB wanted to prove in Brady's absence, he could take any QB and win.
He couldn't.
It appears BB is doubling down.
It's not like Brady did any better!
Oh, wait...
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The answer to who would be a good QB for the Pats last year.
He wasn't.
Based on what?
Who would have been better?
Tom Brady.
It was as if BB wanted to prove in Brady's absence, he could take any QB and win.
He couldn't.
It appears BB is doubling down.
Brady at 26% pressure and a mediocre banged up supporting cast? I'd like to see it.
But sure.
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https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/12/tom-brady-cam-newton-will-make-exciting-returns-to-familiar-stadiums-in-2021/
Cam back to Carolina while TB comes to Foxboro to battle BB (if healthy)
Meanwhile Brady and the Bucs in shenanigans to save 19 mil in cap space for '21-'22
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The answer to who would be a good QB for the Pats last year.
He wasn't.
Based on what?
Who would have been better?
Tom Brady.
It was as if BB wanted to prove in Brady's absence, he could take any QB and win.
He couldn't.
It appears BB is doubling down.
Brady at 26% pressure and a mediocre banged up supporting cast? I'd like to see it.
But sure.
kid thinks Brady has something to prove.
43YO
new team
new coach
limited practices (covid)
no exhibition games
works through the challenges
beats Brees, Rodgers on the road
leads his team to his 10th SB
5th in the past 7 years
beats Mahomes
wins his 7th championship
GOAT
kid needs proof
LMAO
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kid thinks Brady has something to prove.
heh
nothing could be further from the truth
I have always been a bigger fan of Brady than even you.
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kid thinks Brady has something to prove.
heh
nothing could be further from the truth
I have always been a bigger fan of Brady than even you.
How do you prove something like that? Especially since I know you have been both an Eagles fan and a Pats fan, and a Steelers fan, as well as a Bosox and Mets fan.
But even putting that aside, how would you prove you were a "bigger fan of" anyone or any team than another fan?
Are you the Brady Fan of All Brady Fans? If not, who is? How did they achieve this status? Is their status threatened by new, emerging Brady fans?
The only Bradys I've ever been a fan of are: Marcia Brady, who is fictitious, and James Brady, who is a far more admirable and honorable individual than Tom Brady could ever hope to be.
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I do not recall kid ever being a Pats fan, nor a TB12 fan.
As far as I know kid's a Giant and Steeler fan and usually whoever was playing against the Pats.
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I do not recall kid ever being a Pats fan, nor a TB12 fan.
As far as I know kid's a Giant and Steeler fan and usually whoever was playing against the Pats.
I know for sure he was big into the Eagles---something I never was, for sure!
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How can you be a Giants fan and a Iggles fan, those fan bases generally hate each other.
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How can you be a Giants fan and a Iggles fan, those fan bases generally hate each other.
Ask kid. I wouldn't know. It'd be like a Sox/Yankee fan.
I still want to know how kid knows he's a bigger Brady fan than you.
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As far as I know kid's a Giant and Steeler fan and usually whoever was playing against the Pats.
Sure - that's fairly accurate
Still a huge Brady fan - you might recall I favor Michigan.
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As far as I know kid's a Giant and Steeler fan and usually whoever was playing against the Pats.
Sure - that's fairly accurate
Still a huge Brady fan - you might recall I favor Michigan.
I vaguely remember when Brady left the Pats for Tampa you said something like, "(paraphrase) "now you could see rooting for him".
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And?
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And?
And
There is nothing in my memory about you expressing much admiration about Brady.
For you to suggest you've been a fan of Brady for 20 years reminds me of your bullshit about you being a huge Jayson Tatum fan after you spent his rookie season dumping on him, despite the obvious that he was a stud and likely all-star in the making.
Kid no one in Elba beleives your bullshit.
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Pats open wallet and go on spending spree as NFL FA market is open.
Not typical of BB, he knows he's got to rebuild and deliver after a shit last year and a pretty empty cubbard after years of eh drafts. .
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Patriots are a double digit win team next year.
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Good to see Steelers saying goodbye to JuJu
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Good to see Steelers saying goodbye to JuJu
Now if only I can get yahoo to stop auto drafting him for me.
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I recall making you a pretty nice offer
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Corey Davis - nice pickup for JETS JETS JETS
Agholor to Patriots - who were/are also in on Bourne
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Browns pick up an actual professional safety.
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Good to see Steelers saying goodbye to JuJu
JuJu signs with Steelers,priceless
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The Patriots host Tampa Bay on the 2021 schedule
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Julian Edelman's contract terminated, as her can't pass physical.
Retirement expected.
Just a great player and so much fun to watch.
One of my favorite players.
Dude made big plays
Thanks Jules!
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Julian Edelman's contract terminated, as her can't pass physical.
Retirement expected.
Just a great player and so much fun to watch.
One of my favorite players.
Dude made big plays
Thanks Jules!
PED user. Not a HOFer. Convicted cheater.
Bye-bye, Jules.
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Jules-not a HoFer-who cares
Pound for pound, inch for inch Jules played with more heart, enthusiasm determination and joy for the game than most any NFL player.
Jules was special and a blast to watch.
Football fans took a loss with his retirement
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You SHOULD be proud when a hard working organizational guy retires
Bells and whistles not needed.
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Jules-not a HoFer-who cares
Pound for pound, inch for inch Jules played with more heart, enthusiasm determination and joy for the game than most any NFL player.
Jules was special and a blast to watch. *
Football fans took a loss with his retirement
*PEDs.
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Jules-not a HoFer-who cares
Pound for pound, inch for inch Jules played with more heart, enthusiasm determination and joy for the game than most any NFL player.
Jules was special and a blast to watch. *
Football fans took a loss with his retirement
*PEDs**.
** BFD
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Jules-not a HoFer-who cares
Pound for pound, inch for inch Jules played with more heart, enthusiasm determination and joy for the game than most any NFL player.
Jules was special and a blast to watch. *
Football fans took a loss with his retirement
*PEDs**.
** BFD
Part of the Patriot "legacy".
Cheaters gonna cheat.
As long as you support that tradition, you have no right to complain about any other team or its players.
Outside New England, Edelman is a known cheater who caught passes from another known cheater.
The End.
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GO PATS!
Utley you are on a a very short list of Elbanese who have absolutely no right to pontificate about anything.
THE END
LMAO
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Trask!!!
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/patriots-nfl-draft-rumors-new-england-doing-a-lot-of-homework-on-florida-qb-kyle-trask/178l453pgaxzd1l4t8o485b0o8
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This lack of decision will not protect football coaches at all levels or their institutions, because it is not a decision in the sense of setting precedent, but just a denial of cert.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2941292-wwe-concussion-brain-damage-lawsuit-wont-be-heard-by-supreme-court
I think it makes sense, both the lower court decisions and the choice to not hear it, but I think the concussion issue is going to have folks banging their heads on it for a good while yet.
And if I were a Pop Warner or PeeWee coach, league official, or sponsor, I would get out of the industry so fast! At least with NFL and CFL, there is pretension of consenting adults doing stupid things together for tons of money.
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Rogers looking to get dealt tonight
Patriots and Jets loom
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Kiper has Patriots dealing up to 7 for Trey Lance
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/insider/story/_/id/31345391/nfl-mock-draft-2021-mel-kiper-final-predictions-top-32-picks-including-surprise-quarterback-fits-three-trades
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Well...
so much for that
Lance to San Fran at 3.
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Giants get fucked, then make an excellent trade
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JETS move up ahead of Patriots
Love this
(but Pats still get their QB if they want Jones/whoever)
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Happy for Jets and Giants. And Steelers nailed it.
Not even upset Patriots seemed to do well - heh
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Pats got the bad-body type QB they seemed to have had some success with in the past.
Tua, AJ McCarron, Mac Jones, the problem with Bama QBs is the program is so stocked its hard for the QB not to look NFL ready.
Hopefully Saban steered his buddy true.
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USC caught jets twice with overrated system QBs.
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Tua, AJ McCarron, Mac Jones, the problem with Bama QBs is the program is so stocked its hard for the QB not to look NFL ready.
Pretty sure this is why
a) scouts do not just look at highlight reels
and
b) they have pro days
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Tua, AJ McCarron, Mac Jones, the problem with Bama QBs is the program is so stocked its hard for the QB not to look NFL ready.
Pretty sure this is why
a) scouts do not just look at highlight reels
and
b) they have pro days
The point was that Bama had so much extraordinary talent at the skill positions, and a lot of it got drafted last night, that it can muddy how good a college QB is.
And there is a fair amount of misses in scouting college QBs, as some kids can never make the leap and some kids develop late.
As to Mac Jones, I like the pic,as the book seems to be he's smart, fast instincts-reads, and they'll have time to develop him as he gets stronger and matures. And he's a better L-T answer than Cam
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USC caught jets twice with overrated system QBs.
USC QBs fool a lot of people.
I still think Darnold can be good, and I'm a huge USC QB skeptic.
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Greg Newsome? More like Greg AWESOME!
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And he's got a great education to fall back on if it doesn't work out.
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And he's got a great education to fall back on if it doesn't work out.
In the words of the old Northwestern student body cheer: That’s alright that's OK, you're going to work for us some day.
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And he's got a great education to fall back on if it doesn't work out.
In the words of the old Northwestern student body cheer: That’s alright that's OK, you're going to work for us some day.
At Maryland we used to hear that from UVA students.
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I am just going with JOK.
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So now there are only three colleges to have had at least one player taken in each year of the common draft. University of California*, Florida and Meatchicken. No one picked from MSU this year.
* Southern
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So now there are only three colleges to have had at least one player taken in each year of the common draft. University of California*, Florida and Meatchicken. No one picked from MSU this year.
* Southern
Duffy and the crew from '66 are incredulous.
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So now there are only three colleges to have had at least one player taken in each year of the common draft. University of California*, Florida and Meatchicken. No one picked from MSU this year.
* Southern
Duffy and the crew from '66 are incredulous.
Still responsible for 4 of the first 8 choices of the common draft, including Bubba Smith and Clint Jones 1 and 2.
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Another sad CTE case
https://apnews.com/article/colt-brennan-hawaii-entertainment-college-football-nfl-6edfa628d269c9e1194d93a68c0527f6
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chronic-traumatic-encephalopathy/symptoms-causes/syc-20370921
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Another sad CTE case
https://apnews.com/article/colt-brennan-hawaii-entertainment-college-football-nfl-6edfa628d269c9e1194d93a68c0527f6
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chronic-traumatic-encephalopathy/symptoms-causes/syc-20370921
“What a great leader he was on and off the field.“
Maybe it's time we find another way for these young leaders to develop and show their leadership, rather than having their lives destroyed by concussions.
I think there is little evidence that the teens who play competitive football have the ability to evaluate the risks. And there is a ton of evidence that the adults who are ostensibly responsible for them have no willingness to protect the kids.
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At minimum - a pamphlet handout on CTE to all youth league/HS/collegiate football players' and/or parents is in order. So many in the dark
I am convinced soccer players are at risk as well. Credit to Cindy Parlow (great US Olympian) for her work in this area - getting heading of the ball restricted or forbidden at many of the youth levels/leagues.
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At minimum - a pamphlet handout on CTE to all youth league/HS/collegiate football players' and/or parents is in order. So many in the dark
I am convinced soccer players are at risk as well. Credit to Cindy Parlow (great US Olympian) for her work in this area - getting heading of the ball restricted or forbidden at many of the youth levels/leagues.
Yes, they certainly are.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-spygate-stench-tainted-victory-new-england-ncna1269020 (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-spygate-stench-tainted-victory-new-england-ncna1269020)
There is a certain stench emanating from Foxborough, Massachusetts — home of the New England Patriots, a team whose onetime National Football League dynasty aroused as much suspicion as awe. A similar odor can be traced to a country club in Palm Beach, Florida, where onetime President Donald Trump now calls home.
That Trump and Patriots owner Robert Kraft have formed a mutual admiration society comes as no surprise. Nor does the credible assertion that America’s 45th president enabled one of the more shameful episodes in the Patriots’ storied history.
Legacy of shame.
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Trump with undue influence on a Republican senator.
This is news?
If there is a story its that Spector took a bribe.
Legacy of shame.
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Trump with undue influence on a Republican senator.
This is news?
If there is a story its that Spector took a bribe.
Legacy of shame.
Bob Kraft is dirty. Bottom line.
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Trump with undue influence on a Republican senator.
This is news?
If there is a story its that Spector took a bribe.
Legacy of shame.
You misread the story. He didn't take the offer.
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Trump with undue influence on a Republican senator.
This is news?
If there is a story its that Spector took a bribe.
Legacy of shame.
You misread the story. He didn't take the offer.
I read about 2/3 of the original ESPN story a few days ago. I stopped reading when it seemed it was all allegation and no facts. I've no idea if Spector took money or not.
Facts are important.
My retort to Utley ("if there is a story") were TIC, but on target.
It would not shock me that in 2008 a corrupt NYC developer, failed casino owner, reality TV star, and US's biggest deadbeat, who wanted to gain favor with Kraft, told him he had some pull with Spector and would ask for a favor. And it would not surprise me if Trump made a campaign contribution to Spector. Rich people buy influence with pols all the time. Nature of the beast. They call it campaign contributions rather than payola.
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Trump with undue influence on a Republican senator.
This is news?
If there is a story its that Spector took a bribe.
Legacy of shame.
You misread the story. He didn't take the offer.
I read about 2/3 of the original ESPN story a few days ago. I stopped reading when it seemed it was all allegation and no facts. I've no idea if Spector took money or not.
Facts are important.
My retort to Utley ("if there is a story") were TIC, but on target.
It would not shock me that in 2008 a corrupt NYC developer, failed casino owner, reality TV star, and US's biggest deadbeat, who wanted to gain favor with Kraft, told him he had some pull with Spector and would ask for a favor. And it would not surprise me if Trump made a campaign contribution to Spector. Rich people buy influence with pols all the time. Nature of the beast. They call it campaign contributions rather than payola.
The piece I posted was an opinion piece.
In the end, the Pats are forever stained, as are the Houston Astros, as a cheats.
Accept it and move on.
Oh, forgot. According to your pal Stevie from AZ, you never move on.
Heh
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Trump with undue influence on a Republican senator.
This is news?
If there is a story its that Spector took a bribe.
Legacy of shame.
You misread the story. He didn't take the offer.
I read about 2/3 of the original ESPN story a few days ago. I stopped reading when it seemed it was all allegation and no facts. I've no idea if Spector took money or not.
Facts are important.
My retort to Utley ("if there is a story") were TIC, but on target.
It would not shock me that in 2008 a corrupt NYC developer, failed casino owner, reality TV star, and US's biggest deadbeat, who wanted to gain favor with Kraft, told him he had some pull with Spector and would ask for a favor. And it would not surprise me if Trump made a campaign contribution to Spector. Rich people buy influence with pols all the time. Nature of the beast. They call it campaign contributions rather than payola.
The piece I posted was an opinion piece.
In the end, the Pats are forever stained, as are the Houston Astros, as a cheats.
Accept it and move on.
Oh, forgot. According to your pal Stevie from AZ, you never move on.
Heh
I knew it was an opinion piece, as opposed to factual 1st hand reporting.
it was lazy click-bait.
As I tried to explain to my friend boz, facts matter. He just had a hard time applying them rationally. Facts got in the way of his long-held opinion and a fear of offending Elba's oh so self-proclaimed woke knights of social justice.
It is what it is.
IMO those sleepless nights eventually catch up with you, and maybe a nap is in order.
As to moving on, I'm not the one hung up on an old story, who feels compelled to troll about a click-bait article based on a 14 YO story.
I wonder how Brady cheated in Tampa?
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I wonder how Brady cheated in Tampa?
It's just a matter of time before we find out.
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I wonder how Brady cheated in Tampa?
It's just a matter of time before we find out.
well given his history and your history, we can all look forward to your fantasy football updates for the next 5-10 years
HEH
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Trump with undue influence on a Republican senator.
This is news?
If there is a story its that Spector took a bribe.
Legacy of shame.
You misread the story. He didn't take the offer.
I read about 2/3 of the original ESPN story a few days ago. I stopped reading when it seemed it was all allegation and no facts. I've no idea if Spector took money or not.
Facts are important.
Yes.
The facts are that there is no record of Spector's getting a donation from Trump in the FEC reporting period (1/1/2008-12/31/2010) in question.
Given that that aligns with what the story reported Spector indicated, I suspect it is just true.
It would not have surprised me if it had proven to be false.
It also would not surprise me if Trump made that offer without having discussed it with Kraft, as he has struck me as the sort to try to gain leverage in less than savory ways.
But we have no proof of either conversation's having taken place, only that a donation did not happen, but the senatorial investigation went nowhere, too.
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Here we see two Trump haters working hard to save face, as they are infected by Pats Disease and TB12 Syndrome.
The laughs just keep on coming!
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BEASLEY!!!!
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/19/us/cole-beasley-nfl-retire-covid-vaccine/index.html
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https://sports.yahoo.com/las-vegas-raiders-defensive-end-carl-nassib-comes-out-as-gay-first-active-nfl-player-220156359.html
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Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.
"I'd rather die actually living."
What an idiotic statement.
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Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.
"I'd rather die actually living."
What an idiotic statement.
Who made you the Sheriff if Excitement? To each his own.
As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?
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Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.
"I'd rather die actually living."
What an idiotic statement.
Who made you the Sheriff if Excitement? To each his own.
As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?
I have always been the Sheriff "if" Excitement, Ham. Used to be one of my taglines, though I spelled it "of."
And you're hilarious with your "if it's okay to be gay," since you know full well it is not okay with a huge chunk of this country.
Who gives a fuck?
It's "okay" to be Jewish, too, but that sure doesn't seem to mean that nobody gives a fuck.
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Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.
"I'd rather die actually living."
What an idiotic statement.
Who made you the Sheriff if Excitement? To each his own.
As for coming out, if
"if"?it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?
Way, way too many people. Both in the locker room and the world at large.
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Good for Nassib.
Taking 15 years to finally share who he is has to be a great relief for Nassib.
Hopefully his courage will be helpful to others.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/)
...The Giants announced Monday they've hired the former Super Bowl champion to fill a new role in their front office, with Manning set to contribute to New York's business operations and fan engagement staff before having his No. 10 jersey retired and joining the club's Ring of Honor this fall.
Eli, in sworn deposition, said the #10 jersey was game-worn.
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Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.
"I'd rather die actually living."
What an idiotic statement.
Who made you the Sheriff if Excitement? To each his own.
As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?
I have always been the Sheriff "if" Excitement, Ham. Used to be one of my taglines, though I spelled it "of."
And you're hilarious with your "if it's okay to be gay," since you know full well it is not okay with a huge chunk of this country.
Who gives a fuck?
It's "okay" to be Jewish, too, but that sure doesn't seem to mean that nobody gives a fuck.
False equivalency, Josh. Do you remember Julian Edelman holding a press conference to announce he was a Jew?
Why didn't he?
And thanks for catching the typo. If acceptance means what it means, then there is no need to announce you're gay, or to riff on typos.
Just go be fucking gay, and live with errors that come from tiny keyboards on smartphones.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/)
...The Giants announced Monday they've hired the former Super Bowl champion to fill a new role in their front office, with Manning set to contribute to New York's business operations and fan engagement staff before having his No. 10 jersey retired and joining the club's Ring of Honor this fall.
Eli, in sworn deposition, said the #10 jersey was game-worn.
For Pats fans, it will always be DEFLATING to remember how well Eli handled the Pats in Super Bowls.
heh
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Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.
"I'd rather die actually living."
What an idiotic statement.
Who made you the Sheriff if Excitement? To each his own.
As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?
I have always been the Sheriff "if" Excitement, Ham. Used to be one of my taglines, though I spelled it "of."
And you're hilarious with your "if it's okay to be gay," since you know full well it is not okay with a huge chunk of this country.
Who gives a fuck?
It's "okay" to be Jewish, too, but that sure doesn't seem to mean that nobody gives a fuck.
False equivalency, Josh. Do you remember Julian Edelman holding a press conference to announce he was a Jew?
Why didn't he?
And thanks for catching the typo. If acceptance means what it means, then there is no need to announce you're gay, or to riff on typos.
Just go be fucking gay, and live with errors that come from tiny keyboards on smartphones.
it is not unknown for people to hide racial, ethnic or religious background, although it is not common. His point is valid. Just because people have the right to be what they are does not mean that there are not antii-semites, racists and homophobes (in ascending order) out there ready to make life hell for you if tbey can. Homophobia may be the last real socially acceptable bigotry - although some are trying to stage a comeback.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/)
...The Giants announced Monday they've hired the former Super Bowl champion to fill a new role in their front office, with Manning set to contribute to New York's business operations and fan engagement staff before having his No. 10 jersey retired and joining the club's Ring of Honor this fall.
Eli, in sworn deposition, said the #10 jersey was game-worn.
For Pats fans, it will always be DEFLATING to remember how well Eli handled the Pats in Super Bowls.
heh
I was wondering how long until the bait would be taken.
HEH
With 6 SB wins those losses became dealable
The SB 42 loss was a tough one.
As to Eli handling the Pats, he played well enough in low-scoring games. Defense won both those games.
SB 42 was 7-3 Pats going into the 4th qtr. and SB 46 was 17-15 Pats (with G-Men scoring 2 pts off a bogus safety called on Brady)
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Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.
"I'd rather die actually living."
What an idiotic statement.
Who made you the Sheriff if Excitement? To each his own.
As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?
I have always been the Sheriff "if" Excitement, Ham. Used to be one of my taglines, though I spelled it "of."
And you're hilarious with your "if it's okay to be gay," since you know full well it is not okay with a huge chunk of this country.
Who gives a fuck?
It's "okay" to be Jewish, too, but that sure doesn't seem to mean that nobody gives a fuck.
False equivalency, Josh. Do you remember Julian Edelman holding a press conference to announce he was a Jew?
Why didn't he?
And thanks for catching the typo. If acceptance means what it means, then there is no need to announce you're gay, or to riff on typos.
Just go be fucking gay, and live with errors that come from tiny keyboards on smartphones.
Had I written what you wrote, you would have asked me, instead, "Who made you the Sheriff if False Equivalence.?"
You can pretend that nobody cares about whether people are gay or not, Ham. Can't stop you.
But it's pretense.
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I'll note that on multiple occasions, it has mattered that I was Jewish to people I was around.
One occasion, the child sitting at the table wanted to know where my horns were, as he'd been told by his parents that we had them.
Another occasion had a co-worker who felt compelled to explain how attacking the Jews and Israel was wrong and would destroy whomever attacked them, because the Jews were the Chosen people (and would all accept Jesus in the end).
Press conferences are not the only way to come out.
But from Sandy Koufax to Joe Lieberman, folks have been getting public flack for their Jewish beliefs. Nor has it stopped since then.
No, no press conference for Edelman. He didn't mind playing on the Sabbath. OTOH, you seem to have no issue with the presser for Beasley.
Must be your straight privilege speaking.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/)
...The Giants announced Monday they've hired the former Super Bowl champion to fill a new role in their front office, with Manning set to contribute to New York's business operations and fan engagement staff before having his No. 10 jersey retired and joining the club's Ring of Honor this fall.
Eli, in sworn deposition, said the #10 jersey was game-worn.
For Pats fans, it will always be DEFLATING to remember how well Eli handled the Pats in Super Bowls.
heh
I was wondering how long until the bait would be taken.
HEH
With 6 SB wins those losses became dealable
The SB 42 loss was a tough one.
As to Eli handling the Pats, he played well enough in low-scoring games. Defense won both those games.
SB 42 was 7-3 Pats going into the 4th qtr. and SB 46 was 17-15 Pats (with G-Men scoring 2 pts off a bogus safety called on Brady)
Super Bowl MVP in both games. yeah, he "played well enough".
LMFAO
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Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.
"I'd rather die actually living."
What an idiotic statement.
Who made you the Sheriff if Excitement? To each his own.
As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?
I have always been the Sheriff "if" Excitement, Ham. Used to be one of my taglines, though I spelled it "of."
And you're hilarious with your "if it's okay to be gay," since you know full well it is not okay with a huge chunk of this country.
Who gives a fuck?
It's "okay" to be Jewish, too, but that sure doesn't seem to mean that nobody gives a fuck.
False equivalency, Josh. Do you remember Julian Edelman holding a press conference to announce he was a Jew?
Why didn't he?
And thanks for catching the typo. If acceptance means what it means, then there is no need to announce you're gay, or to riff on typos.
Just go be fucking gay, and live with errors that come from tiny keyboards on smartphones.
Had I written what you wrote, you would have asked me, instead, "Who made you the Sheriff if False Equivalence.?"
You can pretend that nobody cares about whether people are gay or not, Ham. Can't stop you.
But it's pretense.
I'm not saying nobody cares. I'm saying nobody should care. I don't because someone's sexuality has nothing to do with playing the game of football.
If you were truly accepting of someone being gay, you wouldn't care either.
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I'm not saying nobody cares. I'm saying nobody should care. I don't because someone's sexuality has nothing to do with playing the game of football.
As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?
You may have meant to say nobody should care, Ham.
It's not what you said. It's not what your words meant.
And what it has to do with playing football depends on your teammates and coaching staff (and owners and refs and opponents). Again, nobody should care.
People care.
Further, staying away from the microphone leaves a ton of very isolated kids out there, wondering if there can be a place for them in the world. It is more likely to help others than it is to help him.
They care, too, and with good reason in modern America.
I long for the day when it won't be important, but today is not that day.
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I'm not saying nobody cares. I'm saying nobody should care. I don't because someone's sexuality has nothing to do with playing the game of football.
As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?
You may have meant to say nobody should care, Ham.
It's not what you said. It's not what your words meant.
And what it has to do with playing football depends on your teammates and coaching staff (and owners and refs and opponents). Again, nobody should care.
People care.
Further, staying away from the microphone leaves a ton of very isolated kids out there, wondering if there can be a place for them in the world. It is more likely to help others than it is to help him.
They care, too, and with good reason in modern America.
I long for the day when it won't be important, but today is not that day.
You know what's okay, josh? It's okay for you to go fuck yourself, you tedious, pedantic twit.
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I'm not saying nobody cares. I'm saying nobody should care. I don't because someone's sexuality has nothing to do with playing the game of football.
As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?
You may have meant to say nobody should care, Ham.
It's not what you said. It's not what your words meant.
And what it has to do with playing football depends on your teammates and coaching staff (and owners and refs and opponents). Again, nobody should care.
People care.
Further, staying away from the microphone leaves a ton of very isolated kids out there, wondering if there can be a place for them in the world. It is more likely to help others than it is to help him.
They care, too, and with good reason in modern America.
I long for the day when it won't be important, but today is not that day.
You know what's okay, josh? It's okay for you to go fuck yourself, you tedious, pedantic twit.
Pedantic? Even if your post said what you now.claim it did and which it didn't, you still demanded the whole idea of "coming out" as meaningless.
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I'm not saying nobody cares. I'm saying nobody should care. I don't because someone's sexuality has nothing to do with playing the game of football.
As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?
You may have meant to say nobody should care, Ham.
It's not what you said. It's not what your words meant.
And what it has to do with playing football depends on your teammates and coaching staff (and owners and refs and opponents). Again, nobody should care.
People care.
Further, staying away from the microphone leaves a ton of very isolated kids out there, wondering if there can be a place for them in the world. It is more likely to help others than it is to help him.
They care, too, and with good reason in modern America.
I long for the day when it won't be important, but today is not that day.
You know what's okay, josh? It's okay for you to go fuck yourself, you tedious, pedantic twit.
Not my fault you said stuff you now claim not to have meant.
But sure, my fault for being a tedious, pedantic twit.
Whatever you say, Ham.
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Is "pedantic" worse than "supercilious"?
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Is "pedantic" worse than "supercilious"?
Peanut gallery still working for you, douchebag?
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Is "douchebag" worse than "supercilious" or "pedantic"?
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Is "douchebag" worse than "supercilious" or "pedantic"?
From Ham?
They're all the same: a declaration that he has no substantive response.
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Is "douchebag" worse than "supercilious" or "pedantic"?
You really should spend less time in Pikesville. Get out a little bit. See the countryside. Breathe some fresh air. It could do you some good.
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Is "douchebag" worse than "supercilious" or "pedantic"?
You really should spend less time in Pikesville. Get out a little bit. See the countryside. Breathe some fresh air. It could do you some good.
"Get fresh air" says the man with his head permanently implanted up his own ass.
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Is "douchebag" worse than "supercilious" or "pedantic"?
You really should spend less time in Pikesville. Get out a little bit. See the countryside. Breathe some fresh air. It could do you some good.
Hey, dumbass. For a guy who seems to pride himself on a tell it like it is, no bullshit approach, you make up a lot of lies about people.
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Is "douchebag" worse than "supercilious" or "pedantic"?
You really should spend less time in Pikesville. Get out a little bit. See the countryside. Breathe some fresh air. It could do you some good.
Hey, dumbass. For a guy who seems to pride himself on a tell it like it is, no bullshit approach, you make up a lot of lies about people.
Where's the lie, Yank?
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Hey Fuckhead. Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish. You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage. Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography". Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.
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Hey Fuckhead. Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish. You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage. Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography". Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.
Heh
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Hey Fuckhead. Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish. You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage. Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography". Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.
Heh
I accept your apology.
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Hey Fuckhead. Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish. You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage. Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography". Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.
Heh
I accept your apology.
Deny, deny, deny...
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Lie, lie, lie.
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Hey Fuckhead. Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish. You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage. Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography". Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.
Heh
I accept your apology.
Deny, deny, deny...
So, let me make sure I understand...
You are insisting you were putting out accurate info about Yank?
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Hey Fuckhead. Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish. You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage. Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography". Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.
Heh
I accept your apology.
Deny, deny, deny...
So, let me make sure I understand...
You are insisting you were putting out accurate info about Yank?
Nice try, josh, but no, I make no such claims...just Yanking his chain, since he likes to throw his snark on the board.
Feel free to go after Yank, though, too, if it is offensive conversation to you.
Among your problems and Yank's is the fact that you both like to take a swat, but can't handle getting hit back.
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Hey Fuckhead. Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish. You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage. Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography". Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.
Heh
I accept your apology.
Deny, deny, deny...
So, let me make sure I understand...
You are insisting you were putting out accurate info about Yank?
Nice try, josh, but no, I make no such claims...just Yanking his chain, since he likes to throw his snark on the board.
Feel free to go after Yank, though, too, if it is offensive conversation to you.
Among your problems and Yank's is the fact that you both like to take a swat, but can't handle getting hit back.
Sez the guy who has run from this board multiple times, separate from having been kicked, suspended, and warned.
You keep presenting the delusion that you "hit back," when all you do is post words - there is no hitting. And when you "attack" by presenting private data, you get slapped down (metaphorically), because that's not allowed.
Your so called "hit back" efforts are no more substantial than Ward's, Kid's, Banks', or mine, except in your mind, where you think you have an impact on our state of mind that just has never existed.
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“Swats” are fine, shithead. Lies aren’t. I’ll be happy to discuss it off the Board though. You’re welcome to message me.
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Hey Fuckhead. Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish. You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage. Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography". Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.
Heh
I accept your apology.
Deny, deny, deny...
So, let me make sure I understand...
You are insisting you were putting out accurate info about Yank?
Nice try, josh, but no, I make no such claims...just Yanking his chain, since he likes to throw his snark on the board.
Feel free to go after Yank, though, too, if it is offensive conversation to you.
Among your problems and Yank's is the fact that you both like to take a swat, but can't handle getting hit back.
Sez the guy who has run from this board multiple times, separate from having been kicked, suspended, and warned.
You keep presenting the delusion that you "hit back," when all you do is post words - there is no hitting. And when you "attack" by presenting private data, you get slapped down (metaphorically), because that's not allowed.
Your so called "hit back" efforts are no more substantial than Ward's, Kid's, Banks', or mine, except in your mind, where you think you have an impact on our state of mind that just has never existed.
Been run. Never ran.
GFY.
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Hey Fuckhead. Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish. You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage. Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography". Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.
Heh
I accept your apology.
Deny, deny, deny...
So, let me make sure I understand...
You are insisting you were putting out accurate info about Yank?
Nice try, josh, but no, I make no such claims...just Yanking his chain, since he likes to throw his snark on the board.
Feel free to go after Yank, though, too, if it is offensive conversation to you.
Among your problems and Yank's is the fact that you both like to take a swat, but can't handle getting hit back.
Sez the guy who has run from this board multiple times, separate from having been kicked, suspended, and warned.
You keep presenting the delusion that you "hit back," when all you do is post words - there is no hitting. And when you "attack" by presenting private data, you get slapped down (metaphorically), because that's not allowed.
Your so called "hit back" efforts are no more substantial than Ward's, Kid's, Banks', or mine, except in your mind, where you think you have an impact on our state of mind that just has never existed.
Been run. Never ran.
GFY.
Revisionist history. Too fucking funny.
At least one of your names never got run, but disappeared for a good long while. Nor is that the only time.
You got banned once. Warned a couple times. Time outed a couple times. But only banned once.
Of course, you denied being Piggy for a while, at the beginning.
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“Dude, OK. So [laughing]. Yo, so, imagine like, oh man … imagine you’re working like a 9 to 5, and like, everybody’s at like a team meeting, right? And it’s almost in like a school assembly, OK? And the dude who walks in is like the CEO and he’s like an old dude who you know just plays no games. So like when he walks in, it’s dead quiet. Like … everything stops. All phones get put away. All laughter, any type of little chit-chat, done. K? Nobody plays around with Bill. I mean … nobody plays with Bill for the most part,” Marsh said. “So he walks in there and then he comes up to like a podium and he addresses the team for like 45 minutes to an hour every morning. He talks about the GM’s history, talks about the team’s history, talks about defensive, offensive coordinator’s history, the way that they used to run their defense, the way that they run their defense now, the history of all of the coaches.”
Marsh added sarcastically: “Super, super exciting to listen to him talk. Yeah.”
Marsh did say that he respects Belichick, who is “an extremely intelligent coach,” which was very nice of him to say about the six-time Super Bowl champion head coach.
However, Marsh said he much preferred the style of Pete Carroll in Seattle.
“I also came from Seattle, which is like, fun, family, we shoot hoops before every meeting and it’s a competition every day,” Marsh said. “We’re riding scooters from meeting to meeting. Super fun, family, college vibes.”
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/07/13/cassius-marsh-says-patriots-treat-players-like-crap-bill-belichick-boring-meetings/?fbclid=IwAR2bCf1NKvn9rs-K7U1l_ik49FKuaukhvbtSTciplkqcUncznYsQGJDBsQE
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Super fun!
Bill's been to 9 Super Bowls. Won 6, lost 3.
Pete's been to 2 Super Bowls. Won 1, lost 1.
I suspect that Marsh would have found Gibbs, Landry, and Shula pretty boring, too. And Noll, Walsh, and Parcells were all side-splitting, I'm sure.
Pete's been an NFL head coach for 15 seasons. He's made the playoffs 11 of 15 seasons. His record in the playoffs is 11-10.
I'm glad his meetings are lively. Marsh should stay there.
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Straight outta Compton.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-former-seahawks-49-ers-cb-richard-sherman-arrested-on-burglary-domestic-violence-charge-153312207.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-former-seahawks-49-ers-cb-richard-sherman-arrested-on-burglary-domestic-violence-charge-153312207.html)
Heh
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Suicidal, too, Sherman?
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31821592/richard-sherman-was-drunk-threatened-kill-arrest-according-911-caller (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31821592/richard-sherman-was-drunk-threatened-kill-arrest-according-911-caller)
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One more entry in Forrest's never ending series, "Blacks Behave Badly".
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One more entry in Forrest's never ending series, "Blacks Behave Badly".
One note Stevie chimes in with, as usual, nothing.
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One wonders if Sherman played one game, or made one tackle, or took one hard hit to the head, too many.
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TB12 the legend continues
https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/07/15/tom-brady-led-bucs-to-super-bowl-55-win-despite-partial-mcl-tear/ (https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/07/15/tom-brady-led-bucs-to-super-bowl-55-win-despite-partial-mcl-tear/)
TAMPA — Tom Brady led the Bucs to a Super Bowl 55 victory at age 43 during a pandemic, becoming the first quarterback to win a title in his team’s home stadium.
But the legend only grows from there.
Brady did it while playing with a partially torn medial collateral ligament in his left knee that he sustained in his final season with the Patriots.
The injury gradually worsened during his first year with the Bucs and he finally had surgery to repair the MCL in late February after winning his seventh Super Bowl ring.
Brady has declined to give specifics about his knee surgery, only confirming that it was “pretty serious.”
I'm pretty sure Red Kryptonite can slow him up, Green, as we know will kill him.
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Yes, so serious it killed his golf game.
Heh
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TB12 the legend continues
https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/07/15/tom-brady-led-bucs-to-super-bowl-55-win-despite-partial-mcl-tear/ (https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/07/15/tom-brady-led-bucs-to-super-bowl-55-win-despite-partial-mcl-tear/)
TAMPA — Tom Brady led the Bucs to a Super Bowl 55 victory at age 43 during a pandemic, becoming the first quarterback to win a title in his team’s home stadium.
But the legend only grows from there.
Brady did it while playing with a partially torn medial collateral ligament in his left knee that he sustained in his final season with the Patriots.
Apparently it was a full tear?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10007896-tom-brady-underwent-surgery-on-torn-mcl-after-playing-entire-season-with-injury
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TB12 does stand-up at the White House
NEW: Tom Brady at the White House on the Bucs' Super Bowl run:
"Not a lot of people think that we could have won. In fact, I think about 40% of the people still don't think we won."
Biden: "I understand that."
Brady: "You understand that, Mr. President?"
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But wait, there is more.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/tom-brady-joins-president-biden-at-white-house-to-mock-trump.html
I may not hate Brady as much as I thought.
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Damn, this is rough
https://www.sportscasting.com/zach-wilson-development-quarterback-suffered-blow-after-serious-accident/
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Damn, this is rough
https://www.sportscasting.com/zach-wilson-development-quarterback-suffered-blow-after-serious-accident/
What a weird way of reporting Knapp's serious accident.
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I agree
Saw the headline and thought Wilson was injured
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Dude fuckin died. Holy smokes.
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Dude fuckin died. Holy smokes.
That makes that headline all the worse.
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Idiotic Moments in Sports Fandom:
One man is dead after an overnight shooting at the popular Pat’s King of Steaks in South Philadelphia.
Police said the shooting happened around 1 a.m. Thursday after two men got into an argument while waiting in line for food at Ninth and Wharton Streets. According to Pat’s general manager Tom Francano, the two men were fighting in part about football — one was an Eagles fan, and one was a New York fan.
“They were arguing and it turned into a fight,” Francano said. “One guy grabbed the other guy and got him in a grip, and the other guy pulled out a gun and shot him in the torso. It was one shot. The cops came right away.”
The shooter fled but was later arrested outside Independence Hall in Center City. The 23-year-old victim was rushed to Jefferson Hospital, where he died a short time later, police said.
https://www.inquirer.com/crime/pats-steaks-shooting-philadelphia-genos-20210722.html (https://www.inquirer.com/crime/pats-steaks-shooting-philadelphia-genos-20210722.html)
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/02/us/florida-robert-kraft-spa-video-destroyed/index.html
The Robert Kraft video will never see the light of day, if this judge has his way.
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Is Ironman still a thing?
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Is Ironman still a thing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQm1_ff5Pb0
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This season should be very interesting.
Chiefs and Bucks will play in the Super Bowl again? 8)
By the way, this year I will not take Game Pass, I will watch all matches for free on https://nfl-video.com/ (https://nfl-video.com/)
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This season should be very interesting.
Chiefs and Bucks will play in the Super Bowl again? 8)
By the way, this year I will not take Game Pass, I will watch all matches for free on https://nfl-video.com/ (https://nfl-video.com/)
So... is this spam or should I leave it be?
New poster with a link, but on topic...
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This season should be very interesting.
Chiefs and Bucks will play in the Super Bowl again? 8)
By the way, this year I will not take Game Pass, I will watch all matches for free on https://nfl-video.com/ (https://nfl-video.com/)
So... is this spam or should I leave it be?
New poster with a link, but on topic...
To me, the tell is the use of the word "matches" instead of games. It is clearly...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcY3W5WgNU
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without doing a deep dive into the site, its a streaming platform, with no apparent affiliation with the NFL, but it might be a decent way to find a stream to out of market games. Whether you get a virus (mild to virulent) from it, is a wild guess. 80/20 probably
From the site
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https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2021/8/11/22619561/nfl-announces-increased-enforcement-of-taunting-infractions (https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2021/8/11/22619561/nfl-announces-increased-enforcement-of-taunting-infractions)
The NFLPA, coaches, and competition committee have all made a strong statement regarding respect among everyone on the field. We saw an increase in actions that are clearly not within the spirit and intent of this rule and not representative to the respect of opponents and others on the field. Game officials have been instructed to strictly enforce the taunting rules and players and coaches are reminded that two taunting penalties committed by an individual player will result in automatic disqualification. In addition, the taunting player may be fined and or suspended depending on the severity of the action.
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Mac Jones, from the Saban School of Football had a decent showing in Foxboro last night. He looked pretty good against the unskinned team from DC, albeit 2nd skinners. While you can't take much from exhibition games, it seems we now have the foundation for a decent QB controversy, Cam v Mac or Mac v Cam.
I'm not a Cam guy, but last year was not a fair shot for him, but I suspect by mid-season, Mac may prevail.
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NFL Network has 2 nice replays today
Steelers at Eagles
Wash at Patriots
4 PM, 8 PM
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NFL Network has 2 nice replays today
Steelers at Eagles
Wash at Patriots
4 PM, 8 PM
If there is a greater waste of time than watching preseason football, it has to be watching a replay of preseason football.
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The use of the NFL's nomenclature "preseason football" means you're not minimizing it enough. I prefer to use "exhibition game" or "practice game" (though I'm not sure use of the word "game" diminishes it enough).
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The use of the NFL's nomenclature "preseason football" means you're not minimizing it enough. I prefer to use "exhibition game" or "practice game" (though I'm not sure use of the word "game" diminishes it enough).
"Game-length scrimmage?"
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The use of the NFL's nomenclature "preseason football" means you're not minimizing it enough. I prefer to use "exhibition game" or "practice game" (though I'm not sure use of the word "game" diminishes it enough).
"Game-length scrimmage?"
I've been struggling with it for decades.
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The use of the NFL's nomenclature "preseason football" means you're not minimizing it enough. I prefer to use "exhibition game" or "practice game" (though I'm not sure use of the word "game" diminishes it enough).
"Game-length scrimmage?"
I've been struggling with it for decades.
"Bull Shit Money Squeeze" may fit the bill.
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The use of the NFL's nomenclature "preseason football" means you're not minimizing it enough. I prefer to use "exhibition game" or "practice game" (though I'm not sure use of the word "game" diminishes it enough).
scrimmage
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NFL Network has 2 nice replays today
Steelers at Eagles
Wash at Patriots
4 PM, 8 PM
If there is a greater waste of time than watching preseason football, it has to be watching a replay of preseason football.
Yeah, I kind of agree - but need to learn whothefuck is a Steeler this year
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Wow - JOE WALTON scored 28 TD in his NFL career as a tight end? Who knew?
Rest in peace, Coach.
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NFL Network has 2 nice replays today
Steelers at Eagles
Wash at Patriots
4 PM, 8 PM
If there is a greater waste of time than watching preseason football, it has to be watching a replay of preseason football.
Or any college football game that involves MSU.
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NFL Network has 2 nice replays today
Steelers at Eagles
Wash at Patriots
4 PM, 8 PM
If there is a greater waste of time than watching preseason football, it has to be watching a replay of preseason football.
Kid wants to get a jump on the season and chip away at that mountain of vig that is crushing him.
Kid take the Pats, lay the 3 1/2
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Lets go!!
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Banks of course will once again shy away from any fun competition
Too serious a fellow.
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Banks of course will once again shy away from any fun competition
Too serious a fellow.
It's more fun for most of us when the score keeper doesn't keep making "mistakes."
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Banks of course will once again shy away from any fun competition
Too serious a fellow.
Kid--As I recall we had a fun competition last post-season we're I went (IIRC) 7-6 ATS and you had an almost incomprehensibly bad 2-11.
For a serious fellow I found it pretty hilarious.
And Josh makes a good point, the fun goes out of a fun competition, when you serially try to game the game.
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The picks will be there once again this year
You can set the spreads if you like, rather than use mine
I have been relying on the same group for ten plus years. Pick exact scores for every game - but you of course can just pick winners.
Please - all join in. Bank is a prick but won't make it hurt too bad when he smokes us.
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It's more fun for most of us when the score keeper doesn't keep making "mistakes."
I am not doing tallies this year.
You can if you like.
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kid
I'm not anymore of a prick than any other rational person is when they are repeatedly bullshitted by a bullshitting moron.
If you insist on acting like a dishonest fool, I will treat you like one.
And I may make some picks this year for my own enjoyment in handicapping, as I've done for years.
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Rather than actually make picks, Bank is famous for his, "I am thinking of going with....", "I am leaning towards......", etc.....
where he can (at least in his mind) take credit if it goes well and pass it off if it doesnt.
heh
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poor kid's lieing again
I generally pick 3-4 games a week, will tell you who I like, why I like them, and generally give a predicted score.
And I do ok ATS and o/u and generally have winning years.
And last year in the post-season pick'em I was 7-6 ATS (should been 9-4, on 2 backdoor covers) and 10-3 straight winners.
And all the picks are there with scores.
kid's a liar.
Poor kid brags of his prowess, but always in other games or pools.
But he never can quite match those boasts with actual results in Elba.
last year he was an incomprehensible 2-11.
And that followed a year where in picking a full slate he was around 47% (which is not terrible)
In 25 years of playing these games, dozens of contests in our small community, IIRC he won one suicide pool.
But he has never won a MLB, NFL, NCAA pick'em game, ATS or straight wins contest.
Kid throws darts and when pressed for reasons, can't back up his picks.
I've teased the poor dumb fuck, that he can't beat a fairly flipped coin.
And he can't
Take the coin.
Seriously take the coin.
kid's a moron.
25 years SSDD
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I generally pick 3-4 games a week, games, will tell you who I like, why I like them, and generally give a predicted score.
Just scrolling back will show otherwise.
But nobody has that time.
I'd be thrilled if you did 4 exact scores a week.
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I generally pick 3-4 games a week, games, will tell you who I like, why I like them, and generally give a predicted score.
Just scrolling back will show otherwise.
But nobody has that time.
I'd be thrilled if you did 4 exact scores a week.
Who the fuck cares about exact scores?
Do I get a cherry on top if I hit it exactly?
I don't need cherries.
I'm picking ATS. And sometimes o/u. and very rarely ML if I like a dog.
Going 2-11, you should be thrilled about winning 4 games any way you can.
keep on moving the goal posts kid
LMAO
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Who the fuck cares about exact scores?
You just said - generally give a predicted score.
Doesn't matter to me what you do
Tell ya what - pick as many games as you want each week and I will match the number.
Not feeling it? Put up nothing.
Any way you want to play it, pal.
And please - get in on the fun of IronMan, where with Daniel Jones as my QB for at least 8 weeks I vow to win the whole damn thing.
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Doesn't matter to me what you do
Tell ya what - pick as many games as you want each week and I will match the number.
Two sentences which demonstrate just how false the first of the two is.
But the whole exchange back and forth illustrated it even more.
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Who the fuck cares about exact scores?
You just said - generally give a predicted score.
Doesn't matter to me what you do
Tell ya what - pick as many games as you want each week and I will match the number.
Not feeling it? Put up nothing.
Any way you want to play it, pal.
And please - get in on the fun of IronMan, where with Daniel Jones as my QB for at least 8 weeks I vow to win the whole damn thing.
Now its IronMan and Daniel Jones?
Good luck
Last year as I recall you were hot on Cam and I tried to talk you off of the Pats and the over (9-9 1/2).
I liked the under and I told you why.
How did that wager work out for you kid?
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I still like Cam. You?
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I still like Cam. You?
No. Not at all. I think as a quarterback, he makes a good paperweight.
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Who needs a preseason? banks and kiid are already in mid-season form.
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Yep
Including Banks eluding direct questioning
heh
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Lmao
Kid the one thing you do well is avoid answering a direct question.
You had a tough time answering whether you wore a mask.
You equivocated for weeks.
This latest dodge is just a dodge and distract from the truth about your pick 'em prowess and your empty boasts.
Ask me anything you like and I'll give you an honest and no BS answer.
As I always have.
You fucking moron.
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Tim Tebow is now available (again)!!
Who should sign him?
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Tim Tebow is now available (again)!!
Who should sign him?
Westboro Baptist.
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Tim Tebow is now available (again)!!
Lets go!!!!
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Ask me anything you like and I'll give you an honest and no BS answer.
Scroll back
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Lmao you're evading again and wont address your falsehoods. What's on your mind and how can I put your pin head at ease?
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It's not on my mind - but here it is for you again
I still like Cam. You?
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It's not on my mind - but here it is for you again
I still like Cam. You?
My thoughts on Cam haven't changed much since last year, when we had a direct conversation about my misgivings of his role as a starting QB for the Pats.
Recently, I posted about the QB competition in NE and how it may play out.
Scroll back
that's it?
A question I answered at length a year ago and advised you of the risks, and again a week or so ago, is one you say I won't answer?
TFF
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I'm not a Cam guy, but last year was not a fair shot for him.....
Noncommittal
If he excels, well - you SAID last year was not a fair shot
If he stinks, well, you said you arent a Cam guy
That's BANK.
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Who should start? Newton or the rookie?
Any fan has an answer for this.
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Lmao
Kid can't hold two thoughts in his pin head.
I gave my reservations about Cam to kid lat year and they were on target. But I recognized the challenges of covid on him. I'm still not a Cam guy and as I believe I posted a week or so ago, the pats may switch horses mid-stream.
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shhhhh.....
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Good to see we agree though that Newton should be the starter
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I'm not a Cam guy, but last year was not a fair shot for him.....
Noncommittal
If he excels, well - you SAID last year was not a fair shot
If he stinks, well, you said you arent a Cam guy
That's BANK.
I think you're the only one who can twist that.
He's not a Cam guy and if Cam does well, he will say "good for him," but he won't claim to have always liked him.
Find a mirror for that.
(OTOH, "Let's go!" is pretty vague about Tebow.)
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Good to see we agree though that Newton should be the starter
He didn't say that.
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Heh. Exactly.
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I posted a poll re Cam/Mac and the Pats QB competition on SoSH
https://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/poll-cam-mac-brian-or.34343/ (https://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/poll-cam-mac-brian-or.34343/)
As we approach the second exhibition game tonight it appears Cam has the edge to start the season at QB. He has experience, BB's public confidence, is a snappy dresser, and along with some new offensive tools to work with and a decent defense could lead the Pats into a shallow play-off run. That is to say an improvement over last year's 7-9, maybe 9-8, or 10-7.
I think we have a fair amount of low-scoring 20-17 games in our future, and a probable road loss in wk 1 in the post-season. In short we'll be sort of middle of the pack mediocre +.
There has been some speculation that Cam will get the first 4 games (the 4th being Tampa @ Foxboro and Gronk's return) and depending upon the results that BB may make a switch. Or if the Pats get off to a decent start early BB may stay the QB course.
Now not to pin the team's successes or short comings all on Cam, I think I'd rather roll the dice with Mac and see what he can do, as I think the long-term upside is a higher, and the more experience given to Mac the better, even if it means rookie mistakes.
Who's your choice and if you feel like it, why?
About 74% of the 165 respondents prefer Mac.
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A good night for the Pats and both QBs.
Cam was fine but Mac might have been a little sharper.
Both QBs mostly relied on a ground game, but Mac has a better touch and superior range. But tonight both seemed totally in control and comfortable with the offense.
The Iggles, both sides of the ball, were terrible, so its hard to judge a lot with this game.
But to the extent there was a QB controversy, it only got ratched up, at least in the minds of fans.
But it looks like its Cam's to lose.
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But to the extent there was a QB controversy, it only got ratched up, at least in the minds of fans.
Still nursing that sore spot.
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Now not to pin the team's successes or short comings all on Cam, I think I'd rather roll the dice with Mac and see what he can do, as I think the long-term upside is a higher, and the more experience given to Mac the better, even if it means rookie mistakes.
Eli-Warner thing, I guess
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CAMACAMACAMACAM CAMACAMACAMACAMCAMACAMACAMACAMCAMACAMACAMACAMCAMACAMACAMACAM
It works both ways...
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A good night for the Pats and both QBs.
Cam was fine but Mac might have been a little sharper.
Both QBs mostly relied on a ground game, but Mac has a better touch and superior range. But tonight both seemed totally in control and comfortable with the offense.
The Iggles, both sides of the ball, were terrible, so its hard to judge a lot with this game.
But to the extent there was a QB controversy, it only got ratched up, at least in the minds of fans.
But it looks like its Cam's to lose.
Of course it is.
I think Pats go out at least 8-4 before facing the Bills
Assuming of course there is no Eli moment for Jones
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Pats schedule looks relatively benign QnD looks says they could be anywhere from 9-12 wins. Probably lower-scoring, reliant on ground game and a strong D. And stronger if Gilmore plays.
Old school trench warfare football
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Are we drafting soon?
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https://nesn.com/2021/08/patriots-scott-zolak-apologizes-for-cam-newton-rap-music-comments/
Thoughts?
Inconsiderate by Zolak? Accurate - at all?
Anything to do with that it's RAP and he is a POC?
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https://nesn.com/2021/08/patriots-scott-zolak-apologizes-for-cam-newton-rap-music-comments/
Thoughts?
Inconsiderate by Zolak? Accurate - at all?
Anything to do with that it's RAP and he is a POC?
It was a stupid thing for Zolak to day.
No idea what underlies it and not pretending I do.
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HOLEE SHIT
I guess BB didn't like Cam dancing either.
Cam get's released.
Mac named starter
Kid you better get a new fantasy QB
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Pay attention
Jones is my guy. :)
(Actually Rodgers and Allen were a nice tandem for me last year as I took regular season title)
Did Pat's save a bunch of dough or was Newton $ guaranteed?
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Certainly have to check out FIRST TAKE today. Kellerman said just yesterday that Newton hadn't played his best football yet
(Yeah, Max - apparently that was the problem)
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Pay attention
Jones is my guy. :)
(Actually Rodgers and Allen were a nice tandem for me last year as I took regular season title)
Did Pat's save a bunch of dough or was Newton $ guaranteed?
Nothing against your Jone's but I like the upside of 'Bama Jones more than Duke Jones.
IIRC Newton's comp had a lot of incentives, so not much dead money beyond modest amount of guaranteed money.
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Nothing against your Jone's but I like the upside of 'Bama Jones more than Duke Jones.
Yeah. I complemented Mac on the Gmen forum
Maybe I will take him as a backup.
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Looks like Cam got 3.6 out of his 5.1. Who becomes #2?
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/cam-newton-7716/
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Nothing against your Jone's but I like the upside of 'Bama Jones more than Duke Jones.
Yeah. I complemented Mac on the Gmen forum
Maybe I will take him as a backup.
Bama Jones will make rookie mistakes, but it seems he has a high football IQ and enough skills to be a pretty decent QB.
I thought BB would stick with Cam until he flat out lost the job.
I guess he did, or BB knew which way he was going and didn't want the drama leading up to the 1st game.
Deal with any fall out, if any, now.
IMO he made the smart decision.
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Yeah. Just another way to do it. Avoid the Warner-Eli type situation
I am sure the COVID scare and other things may have factored in.
Bill doesn't want a middling season but I am sure he can get through it.
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Except Warner could still play QB and went on to almost win another SB (with Cards).
The G-Men made decision to tank the season to get Eli on the learning curve.
IMO its very unlikely Cam will lead a team into the post-season again. He's very limited as to what he can do.
IMO2 the Pats lifted their '21 ceiling today even if the learning curve for Mac is steep.
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I applaud the decision.
I wish Cam Newton all the best in his next career. Maybe he can do something with Tim Tebow.
There was a feature discussing big names for a dozen teams who might get released today - they had one for the Pats, but it wasn't Cam Newton.
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Patriots reporter -
"I would never want to do this to a kid, but he (Jones) almost looked like Tom Brady..."
- speaking of a recent practice vs Giants where Jones was running things - with Cam absent
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KELLERMAN throws out -
Cam to Dolphins after they deal Tua for Watson (Watson not playing due to his legal woes)
Pats of course open with Fins.
(Recommended viewing today - with the added bonus that Stephen A is off)
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KELLERMAN throws out -
Cam to Dolphins after they deal Tua for Watson (Watson not playing due to his legal woes)
Pats of course open with Fins.
(Recommended viewing today - with the added bonus that Stephen A is off)
I think WEEK 1 Pats-Fins we get the answer to
Which Bama stud ring-winning champion QB, Tua or Mac, will prevail in Foxboro?
Of course in Alabama the Tuscaloosa.
Roll Tide
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I am picking DUKE in an upset this year.
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I am picking DUKE in an upset this year.
I read earlier you were riding Jones, the G-Man from from Duke in some fantasy game that no doubt you will crush.
Is this the Duke you are referring to?
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Yeah - my bad - don't want to give the impression that I believe the Duke Blue Devils football team will have great success in 2021. I wouldn't know. But I am quite bullish on the women's soccer team.
By the way - their goalkeeper is Daniel Jones' sister, Ruthie.
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Bucs look loaded again, should win easily unless Tommy boy finally shows his age.
---While not the only cause, quarterback Chase Brice
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What on EARTH would now be the reason for Can Newton to not get vaccinated?
Please - give me a valid reason.
https://nypost.com/2021/09/03/nfl-teams-dont-want-cam-newton/
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What on EARTH would now be the reason for Can Newton to not get vaccinated?
Please - give me a valid reason.
https://nypost.com/2021/09/03/nfl-teams-dont-want-cam-newton/
Illogical thinking.
Maybe he's a Republican.
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NFL 2021 Week 1
Thursday, Sept. 9, 8:20 PM TB -7.5 Cowboys 51.5 TB 31 Cowboys 24
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM Buffalo -6.5 Steelers 49
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM Carolina -5.5 Jets 45
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM Jags -3 Houston 44.5
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM TN -3 Cards 52
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM Wash -1 LAC 44.5
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM Atlanta -3 Eagles 48
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM Seattle -2.5 Colts 49.5
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM Vikings -3 Cincy 48
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM 49ers -7.5 Detroit 45.5
Sunday, Sept. 12, 4:25 PM KC -6 Browns 53
Sunday, Sept. 12, 4:25 PM NE -3 Dolphins 43.5
Sunday, Sept. 12, 4:25 PM Broncos -3 NYG 42
Sunday, Sept. 12, 4:25 PM Packers -4.5 NO 50
Sunday, Sept. 12, 8:20 PM LAR -7.5 Bears 45
Monday, Sept. 13, 8:15 PM Ravens -4.5 LV 51
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Bucs 34
Boys 20
Beware the backdoor burn
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Straight up, no spread:
TB, which come to think of it also stands for Tampa Bay.
Buffalo. I think Piss burgh is a 500 team in Ben's last year.
In my mind I'm going with Carolina
Jags v. Houston oh Jesus, why is this game played? Jags.
Arizona is my pick to be the NFLs most disappointing team. Tteennnneesseeee.
Boy, ATL and Philly seem a long way from their Super Bowls. I have a strange vested interest in Hurts. He is what happens when you blackmail your fantasy league into a labor day draft and do not show up.. Eagles
Let Russell cook? Seattle is cooked. Colts.
Based on my knowledge of my fellow Spartan alum Cousin's not.getting vaccinated is the least surprising thing since the original Dream Team played Mongolia, or whoever. He will miss at least two games,, minimum in protocol. But not this week.. Vikings.
Detroit is going to suck harder than a tick on a mule. 49ers.
20 -0 is within reach! Browns
Hmmm.... Dolphins in the Bama QB bowl.
Teddy the Bridge QB to nowhere... Broncos
NOLA is fading in a sad post Brees way. Packers.
Nice that Stafford gets to play on a team with skill players and Aaron Donald. Rams.
I think good defenses will figure out Jackson this year. QBs who do normal exceptionally well are harder to defend than those who are exceptional at the unique. Vegas Vegas Vegas!
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Super spreader in Tampa!
Take Delta and the over
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Brady might have a future in the league
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Straight up, no spread:
TB, which come to think of it also stands for Tampa Bay.
Buffalo. I think Piss burgh is a 500 team in Ben's last year.
In my mind I'm going with Carolina
Jags v. Houston oh Jesus, why is this game played? Jags.
Arizona is my pick to be the NFLs most disappointing team. Tteennnneesseeee.
Boy, ATL and Philly seem a long way from their Super Bowls. I have a strange vested interest in Hurts. He is what happens when you blackmail your fantasy league into a labor day draft and do not show up.. Eagles
Let Russell cook? Seattle is cooked. Colts.
Based on my knowledge of my fellow Spartan alum Cousin's not.getting vaccinated is the least surprising thing since the original Dream Team played Mongolia, or whoever. He will miss at least two games,, minimum in protocol. But not this week.. Vikings.
Detroit is going to suck harder than a tick on a mule. 49ers.
20 -0 is within reach! Browns
Hmmm.... Dolphins in the Bama QB bowl.
Teddy the Bridge QB to nowhere... Broncos
NOLA is fading in a sad post Brees way. Packers.
Nice that Stafford gets to play on a team with skill players and Aaron Donald. Rams.
I think good defenses will figure out Jackson this year. QBs who do normal exceptionally well are harder to defend than those who are exceptional at the unique. Vegas Vegas Vegas!
Beautiful post, sir.
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there's the over
fun game tonight
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Bucs reverting to form with 4 huge turnovers
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nailed it!
this sets up some nice drama
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that was a real fun game
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that was a real fun game
More fun for the TB fans than the Cowboy fans, but yes, I liked it.
And the announcers nailed it when they talked about Prescott and the 'Boys not wanting to leave any time for Brady.
They left too much of it.
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Give brady a minute and he'll cut your heart out.
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Give brady a minute and he'll cut your heart out.
9 for 19 when needing a field goal with under 3 minutes left.
I thought that was awful until I looked at everybody else's numbers.
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Getting field goals instead of touchdowns continues to be a bad strategy. Missing them is worse.
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Name an NFL quarterback who played at least 150 games and had more 4th quarter comebacks than he had losses.
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Big Ben is second on the comeback list?
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Big Ben is second on the comeback list?
Only for active players.
And there are two things you need to be high on that list:
A long career
A lot of games in which you are behind.
The stat I like is Comeback Wins/(CBW+Losses) - it tells what the precentage of games you won among those in which you were behind.
Over 33% is pretty good. So far, I'm only aware of one person who is over 50%, with 150 games played or more.
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Bens W/L record is 156-74-1
according to Football ref he has 46 4th qtr game winning drives.
so...
what am I misunderstanding, other than all the other shit I misunderstand?
And there are two things you need to be high on that list:
A long career
A lot of games in which you are behind.
and fwiw I'd add a third requirement
an accurate long distance FG kicker.
Nice to see that after 20 years, some folks, are coming around on that 44YO QB from Michigan.
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Knockout pool
RAVENS
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KO Pool -week 1 49ers
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Today's upsets
Texans
Eagles
Bengals
Giants
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heh
Hurts to Smith- allllll-ready.
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Typical Darnold, fumble inside the ten. But Jets have no talent on offense to help Zack. Scoreless tie?
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Pats 24
Fins 17
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Wilson looks good in second half.
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Argonauts beat the Ravens, 22-7.
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A day for optimism, but that game should have been won.
Brady's Bucs are good enough to overcome too many drive killing turnovers and dumb penalties, Mac's Pats aren't.
Yet.
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Pats D impressive
Big win for Pittsburgh.
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Pretty good game tonight
Whew!
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Knockout pool claims early victim - heh
Real bad choice - with no real forethought.
And the Raiders comeback killed my winning week as well.
(Did get three of my 4 upsets, however mild)
May just get into the sport this year.
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Interesting first week with dogs barking and covering in 12 of the 16 games.
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A day for optimism, but that game should have been won.
NEWTON decision stands at 0-1
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A day for optimism, but that game should have been won.
NEWTON decision stands at 0-1
Newton decision remains 0-0.
Mac is 0-1.
But he showed reasonably well in his maiden NFL game. As posted, it was a day for optimism.
How'd your Jones manage?
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I thought he (D Jones) was fine.
Lost fumble of course is always going to hurt
Frankly I haven't seen the entire game yet.
The Jones-Shepherd hookup is REAL.
Will try to catch some of Mac's play on NFL Network replay.
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Ravens-Raiders replay at 4 PM today is anyone wants to see it (FIOS 588)
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NFL Network has stopped telling us which games are to be shown on replay. I hope that is just for this week. Was great being able to see what time a certain game replay was on. Now it just says NFL Action throughout the week.
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Funny stuff - seeing all these recaps of Ravens-Raiders - not one mentioned that
a - Harbaugh passes on the field goal to go up 17-zip
b - After the rookie Williams had excelled Harbaugh has the rustbin Latavious Murray try to get the yard
Biggest spot of the game though it was early
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Kevin Faulk's 19 year old daughter died.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/09/13/dangling-cat-football/
The rare occasion when wrapping yourself in a flag is useful.
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WEEK 2
Thursday, Sept. 16, 8:20 PM Wash -3 Giants 41 Wash 17 NY Giants 20
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Saints -3.5 Caro 44.5
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Cleve -12.5 Texans 48
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Chicago -3 Bengals 45
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Pitt -5.5 Raiders 48
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Bills -3.5 Miami 48
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Rams -4 Indy 47.5
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM 49ers -3.5 Phil 50.5
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Broncos -6 Jax 45.5
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Pats -5.5 NYJ 43
Sunday, Sept. 19, 4:05 PM AZ -4.5 Vikings 51
Sunday, Sept. 19, 4:05 PM TB -12.5 Falcons 52
Sunday, Sept. 19, 4:25 PM Seat -5.5 Titans 54
Sunday, Sept. 19, 4:25 PM LAC -3 Cowboys 55
Sunday, Sept. 19, 8:20 PM Chiefs -3.5 Balt 55
Monday, Sept. 20, 8:15 PM GB -10.5 Lions 48
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I expect points to be at a premium tonight and hard to find.
At 41 1/2 like the under
WFT -3
The Team with No name 23
G-men 17
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Dan from Duke has played a lot better than I thought he would.
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That was a pretty pretty pretty good game.
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Jones showed what he can do with protection. Excellent game for him. Giants lose it in classic fashion with the dropped TD to the off-sides penalty which killed the win off and allowed the re-kick for WFT.
Meanwhile, the Phillies scored 2 TDs and a FG against Chicago, last night.
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KO pool week 2- Browns
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Giants upset loser - (3-2 overall)
Other upsets this week
Dolphins, Cowboys
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Pats 31
Jets 17
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23-14 NE (under 43)
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OK looks like another lost season in NY. 4 picks whew!
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OK looks like another lost season in NY. 4 picks whew!
Meanwhile Carolina is 2 - 0. Who is their QB, I forget.
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OK looks like another lost season in NY. 4 picks whew!
Meanwhile Carolina is 2 - 0. Who is their QB, I forget.
Broadway Zach had a rough afternoon in da Meadowlands.
Jimmy Hoffa had better days out there than poor Zach
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playing KC laying the 3.5
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Baltimore 98 yards rushing in first quarter
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playing KC laying the 3.5
nice 2nd guess moron! Changed the pick right before kickoff.
Heh
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Fun game.
Harbaugh's decision to go for it reminded me of BBs decision several years ago to go for a 4th and 2 from his own 28 rather than kick the ball to Peyton Manning.Harbaughs decision worked out better.
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If nothing else coaches that are secure in their jobs can make ballsy moves like Harbaugh
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Do any of you know if Tua's rib injury occurred on the 4th and 2 play for Dolphins 48, down 7-zip quarter 1?
WTF kind of coaching is this?
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Rodgers and Brady one upping one another on padded pass TD stats
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heh
Kid bet against Brady again.
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Did I?
I am actually benefitting from the Rodgers gluttony. Needed the fantasy points tonight
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Need a TD and 2-pointer from Goff for the Lions cover
Just 7 wins this week - and a push
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Did I?
I am actually benefitting from the Rodgers gluttony. Needed the fantasy points tonight
Not denying it.
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Que'?
You want to know if I bet money against the Buccaneers this week?
No. I did not. Only Bank has put his real money wagers here for us to see.
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So I get the big night from Rodgers, which I wouldnt have needed had I started LaMarr (heh) -
and in League 2 I get enough from Hockenson to getw the victory and go to 1-0 (firs week we hadnt drafted yet)
Seems like 2 good leagues (a good league being where teams pay attention and no week is a pushover for anyone - though Just Say Knowshon does have a stacked group - note - we play them week 3)
Now, about that LaMarr-Aaron decision every week.......
I think I will go with Jackson and spot Rodgers. I mean - early on in Chiefs-Ravens it did appear Jackson wouldnt have a great night statistically. And the soft spot for Rodgers at home vs DET was apparent.
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http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=32246370 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=32246370)
LOL!!!
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Que'?
You want to know if I bet money against the Buccaneers this week?
No. I did not. Only Bank has put his real money wagers here for us to see.
Kid over the years I've shared my thoughts on games and disclosed from time to time whether I backed my opinion with a modest wager, usually with friends as we enjoyed drinks at my local pub. Seeing as recent events has for all intents and purposes eliminated that activity, my wagering as it were has been reduced to a fraction of a small amount. I still enjoy handicapping selective games though.
Pats-Jets was once again kind to me as there are no shortage of overly optimistic Jets fans on my cell phone.
Good luck with your fantasies this year.
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Thanks
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https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html (https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html).
For lack of a better place to post this, I just want to understand why this family thinks this kid "did more than most people do" in his 14 years?
What? Because he was an organ donor?
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https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html (https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html).
For lack of a better place to post this, I just want to understand why this family thinks this kid "did more than most people do" in his 14 years?
What? Because he was an organ donor?
Yeah. Fuck that useless kid 'm I right?
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https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html (https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html).
For lack of a better place to post this, I just want to understand why this family thinks this kid "did more than most people do" in his 14 years?
What? Because he was an organ donor?
Yeah. Fuck that useless kid 'm I right?
Your words, not anyone else's.
What was his great contribution?
Post it. Or STFU.
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https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html (https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html).
For lack of a better place to post this, I just want to understand why this family thinks this kid "did more than most people do" in his 14 years?
What? Because he was an organ donor?
Yeah. Fuck that useless kid 'm I right?
Your words, not anyone else's.
What was his great contribution?
Post it. Or STFU.
Nothing! Fuck that useless kid! And fuck the family and friends who loved him and eulogized him and wanted to remember him with joy. And fuck their loving overstatements. Fucking bastards. 'm I right?
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https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html (https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html).
For lack of a better place to post this, I just want to understand why this family thinks this kid "did more than most people do" in his 14 years?
What? Because he was an organ donor?
Yeah. Fuck that useless kid 'm I right?
Your words, not anyone else's.
What was his great contribution?
Post it. Or STFU.
Nothing! Fuck that useless kid! And fuck the family and friends who loved him and eulogized him and wanted to remember him with joy. And fuck their loving overstatements. Fucking bastards. 'm I right?
So you won't answer the question.
Typical.
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https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html (https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html).
For lack of a better place to post this, I just want to understand why this family thinks this kid "did more than most people do" in his 14 years?
What? Because he was an organ donor?
Yeah. Fuck that useless kid 'm I right?
Your words, not anyone else's.
What was his great contribution?
Post it. Or STFU.
Nothing! Fuck that useless kid! And fuck the family and friends who loved him and eulogized him and wanted to remember him with joy. And fuck their loving overstatements. Fucking bastards. 'm I right?
So you won't answer the question.
Typical.
I did. But the real interesting thing is trying to figure out what kind of horrid soulless stone hard asshole would find in the hyperbolic comments of grieving parents and friends eulogizing a loved one the stuff of derogatory internet comment. Your racism is only the tip of the extraordinarily empty shell of humanity iceberg that is your pathetic existence.
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Thursday, Sept. 23, 8:20 PM Panthers -7.5 Houston 44 Carolina 28-17
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM Cardinals -7.5 Jacksonville 52
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM TN -5.5 Colts 48
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM Ravens -8 Lions 49.5
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM Buffalo -9 WFT 46
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM NE -3 Saints 41.5
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM KC -6.5 Chargers 55.5
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM NYG -3 Falcons 48.5
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM Cleveland -7 Bears 46.5
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM Pittsburgh -4.5 Bengals 45
Sunday, Sept. 26, 4:05 PM LV -4 Dolphins 45.5
Sunday, Sept. 26, 4:05 PM Denver -10.5 Jets 41
Sunday, Sept. 26, 4:25 PM Bucs -1 LAR 54.5
Sunday, Sept. 26, 4:25 PM Seahawks -2 MN 55
Sunday, Sept. 26, 8:20 PM SF -3.5 Packers 49.5
Monday, Sept. 27, 8:15 PM Dallas -4 Phil 51
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https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html (https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html).
For lack of a better place to post this, I just want to understand why this family thinks this kid "did more than most people do" in his 14 years?
What? Because he was an organ donor?
Yeah. Fuck that useless kid 'm I right?
Your words, not anyone else's.
What was his great contribution?
Post it. Or STFU.
Nothing! Fuck that useless kid! And fuck the family and friends who loved him and eulogized him and wanted to remember him with joy. And fuck their loving overstatements. Fucking bastards. 'm I right?
So you won't answer the question.
Typical.
I did. But the real interesting thing is trying to figure out what kind of horrid soulless stone hard asshole would find in the hyperbolic comments of grieving parents and friends eulogizing a loved one the stuff of derogatory internet comment. Your racism is only the tip of the extraordinarily empty shell of humanity iceberg that is your pathetic existence.
LOL!
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Carolina has a good.defense, Houston is running with... well, not their bridge QB to nowhere. Carolina.
Arizona is better than I thought they would be offensively. Jax is worse than I thought and I thought they were going to be horrible. Victory is in the Cards.
Tennessee and Indy are disappointing, so far. Wentz is hurt. Again. Tennessee.
Ravens. I mean, they are.playing Detroit, so.
Bflo's offense seems out of sync. I think Washington can take them. WTF.
The City of New Orleans has the football team disappearing blues. NE.
I was officially wrong about Herbert, but he is not Mahomes. KC.
The Giants will win a couple games this year, might as well be this one.
16 - 1, baby! Browns.
I still think Pissburgh is a .500 team, but they should beat Cinci.
Vegas Vegas Vegas!
The Jets tried to Couch Daniels by not surrounding him with anything. They are.going to do the same thing with Wilson. Denver.
Always liked Stafford. Good, gutsy player who deserves better than a career with Detroit. Rams.
I think Captain Kirk can keep Minnesota in a lot of games. As if that was the point. Absent a last second Hail Mary throw to Keith Nichols, I don't see him beating Wilson. Seattle.
Packers.
Dallas.
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Darnold leads the Panthers to the NFL's best record.
Poor Jets
I wonder where Zach will be in 3 years?
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---Darnold had just four 300-yard games during his three years spent with the New York Jets. He now has two 300-yard games in back-to-back weeks for the Panthers.--- Jets are hopeless seem to be getting worse. Keep on bringing in inexperienced defensive coaches to head coach. Worst play calling seen in a long time.
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I wonder where Zach will be in 3 years?
Likely QBing the Jets
Darnold has had a cake schedule - but is throwing a nice ball, surely.
Now....about those Steelers.....
(folks shoveling dirt on Ben. Just where he wants to be)
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BB seems to have solved the Jets offensive code. #1 in 22 the draft that is. No top rated WRs which they need desperately.
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Edge rusher, OT, corner or safety?
https://draftwire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-nfl-mock-draft-quarterbacks-1st-round-carson-strong-matt-corral-malik-willis-spencer-rattler-sam-howell/
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KO Pool
wk 1 SF
wk 2 CLV
Week 3 Denver
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Just one upset for me today - and it's the LA Rams - which is more like a pick em. Should be a great game.
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IIRC got about 4-5 dogs in my ATS pool
Last couple of weeks have been dog heavy
I have the Pats covering at -2 1/2
low confidence in what could be a trap game for the Pats as a much ballyhooed game awaits next week
I'm thinking a tight low-scoring affair marked by turnovers cashed into FG.
It will be interesting to see if Jones portfolio is expanded further down field in what could be a challenging game.
And BB might not want to tip off to soon what he has or has not in Mac.
Pats 23
Saints 17
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Kick 6 in Jax.
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Trap snapped shut on Pats today.
Pats O-line was beyond putrid.
Pats offensive position players (except law firm of Jacoby & Meyers) smelled just as bad.
Mac played ok, given no O-line, and no support.
He's going to be pretty good,
If he can survive the challenges presented by his NO-line and position players.
They may lose by 30 next week.
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Missed White, obviously
And you miss Cam.
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Missed White, obviously
And you miss Cam.
No I do not miss Cam nor do the Pats.
Mac had it rough today, and had to make do with little help. He played ok, forced to pass to receivers who could not separate.
They missed White and I hope he's ok, but as already posted they missed an O-line that could pass and run block.
They could use Trent Brown to return ASAP.
The story of this game was NO-line, turrnovers and a blocked punt.
Pats vets were terrible.
The rookie was ok.
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Newton was sub-500 as a Pat starter, managed to make everything about himself and seems to have lost a lot off his fastball. Hard-pressed to figure out how he could be missed.
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Newton was sub-500 as a Pat starter, managed to make everything about himself and seems to have lost a lot off his fastball. Hard-pressed to figure out how he could be missed.
If you shot at him and had bad aim, he would be missed.
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Newton was sub-500 as a Pat starter, managed to make everything about himself and seems to have lost a lot off his fastball. Hard-pressed to figure out how he could be missed.
When kid doesn't have facts he goes to the HOT TAKE machine.
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Another dog day sunday with 8 dogs beating the spreads.
Pulling for one more tonight with GB +3 1/2
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Newton was sub-500 as a Pat starter, managed to make everything about himself and seems to have lost a lot off his fastball. Hard-pressed to figure out how he could be missed.
Nah
He was poised for a nice bounce back. A fine leader. But Bill wasnt comfortable. I understand that.
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Newton was sub-500 as a Pat starter, managed to make everything about himself and seems to have lost a lot off his fastball. Hard-pressed to figure out how he could be missed.
Nah
He was poised for a nice bounce back. A fine leader. But Bill wasnt comfortable. I understand that.
Nah
Cam was outplayed by the rookie and you were informed of that. Mac showed he had the right stuff. Now it could have made sense to start Cam and let Mac watch for a few weeks, but the leader Cam made himself unavailable for practice in the last week of preaseason, and the vac issue was probably an issue.
So BB rightly concluded having Cam in the wings would likely be an unwanted distraction for a rookie QB . So he looked forward to Mac and not backwards with Cam.
Nothing Cam did indicated he was poised for a bounce back.
That's a fascinating conclusion to draw for a guy who never watched him play and only draws with crayons.
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So when Bill packs up and leaves who do you want taking over?
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So when Bill packs up and leaves who do you want taking over?
Cam
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https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/09/26/Bill-Belichick-Mac-Jones-patriots-wrist-off-field-Saints
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Mac Jones, Patriots underwhelming
The Mac Jones hype train has slowed to a halt, I presume? What ugly football the Patriots continue to play as this rookie QB takes his lumps.
I was way off on this team. They are not special in any regard, the post-Tom Brady era is not going well for Bill Belichick and I remain unimpressed with this group overall. The defense is not fearsome in any regard and they are incredibly limited on offense. So much for Foxboro being some sort of fortress; the Pats got punked by the Dolphins and Saints already at home and struggled to truly put the lowly Jets away despite Zach Wilson handing them the ball four times.
For all the talk about Jones being superior to other kid QBs in his decision making, he sure threw up some jump balls Sunday and looked really jittery against the Saints pressure. They had 68 net yards at the two-minute warning of the first half, trailing by multiple scores and effectively out of hope in a game in which the rookie QB was picked off three times. The offensive line has not been good, they do not run the ball with the power and effectiveness of a year ago (when they were by no means world-beaters but had Cam to open things up) and Jones led them with 28 ground yards on six carries against the Saints. Woof.
Long-term, he'll probably be fine, I guess. But, continuing a trend here, you gonna tell me this offense would be worse with an athlete like Cam Newton at the helm? What happened to this revved up passing game, with them spending all that money on receivers and tight ends? The trio of Hunter Henry, Jonnu Smith and Nelson Agholor have combined for a grand total of 45 catches for 290 yards (6.44 yards per catch!) and one touchdown reception through three football games. That is three free agents through nine combined man games. That is awful. The trio amassed eight catches for 57 yards TOTAL on Sunday.
The Pats couldn't crack 50 yards rushing as a team. Good luck with that. I thought this was a wild-card team. I was probably way off on that.
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You should probably spend some time reading that and then thinking about it.
A rookie QB, playing in his 3rd game, with a porous O-line and no run game, was forced to throw to receivers who couldn't get open.
Mac had a lot to deal with and from my perspective didn't panic and played a decent game.
Cam who can't throw and forced to run would probably have gotten destroyed, or infected with covid again.
As your unsourced author concludes, in the long-term Mac will probably be fine.
Which is the goal, to deal with adversity, learn and get better over time.
I saw some very encouraging things today.
If he can survive his O-line Mac will be a pretty good QB.
How your Jones doing?
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I think it is fair to be skeptical about Jones. But the idea that a team would be better off with the eroded skills (I know
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I am not skeptical about Jones
But I think having the team in Newton's hands this year was the better call
Here's the rub - BILL WASNT COMFORTABLE - and last I checked it is his team.
Carry on, team and fans
Now, what happened today when Bill whisked Mac to the locker room? That may be a story.
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I am not skeptical about Jones
But I think having the team in Newton's hands this year was the better call
Here's the rub - BILL WASNT COMFORTABLE - and last I checked it is his team.
Carry on, team and fans
Now, what happened today when Bill whisked Mac to the locker room? That may be a story.
Keeping on rubbing kid and you'll get one more hot take.
Then wipe yourself.
You've given no reasons, to support your Cam hot takes.
Mac was the better QB in camp and won the job.
And most everyone following the team understood that.
You did not.
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Good camp QB
Got it
Mac will be fine in time. I'm not talking about that.
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Good camp QB
Got it
Mac will be fine in time. I'm not talking about that.
You're an idiot.
Got it.
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Hey, at least Justin Fields didn't turn the ball over.
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Good camp QB
Got it
Mac will be fine in time. I'm not talking about that.
You're an idiot.
Got it.
You are happy sacrificing wins for development
Just say so and we will be done
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Good camp QB
Got it
Mac will be fine in time. I'm not talking about that.
You're an idiot.
Got it.
You are happy sacrificing wins for development
Just say so and we will be done
You're happy making up bullshit and pretending it is meaningful.
Just say so and we will be done.
Or don't and you will be done, regardless.
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Good camp QB
Got it
Mac will be fine in time. I'm not talking about that.
You're an idiot.
Got it.
You are happy sacrificing wins for development
Just say so and we will be done
How many teams in this win now league have been rushing to sign Cam Newton?
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Thats neither here nor there
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Good camp QB
Got it
Mac will be fine in time. I'm not talking about that.
You're an idiot.
Got it.
You are happy sacrificing wins for development
Just say so and we will be done
LMAO
You changed the subject.
But I'll play.
I'm not happy losing a game but within reason, yes. maybe one, two or a few games might be sacrificed to a QBs long-term development. Depends.
Although you've probably never climbed one successfully, I can tell you that Learning Curves are real and the process very beneficial to the climber.
But I imagine its probably very steep for a rookie QB in the NFL to climb.
But over 17 games in my opinion Mac Jones holds far superior potential than Cam Newton to win games this year. And I expect he holds the potential to win more games (holding all else equal) than Cam Newton as he has seems to have better skills.
Again, today's loss had little to do with Mac Jones.
It just didn't.
And the first week loss to Miami was not on him but on a running back who fumbled the ball as Mac drove the Pats to a game winning score.
Cam likely does not make that drive.
The point you evaded and changed was Mac won the QB competition as decided by BB after watching the QBs compete. BB decided that Mac was the better choice, and it was an opinion shares by many observers.
I understand you had no observations and so your HOT TAKE is close to worthless.
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GB wins and covers.
Good week for dogs with 9 of 15 covering.
Third week in a row that dogs barked loudly.
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Thats neither here nor there
If the professionals in the NFL agreed with you, he'd have been signed.
They don't.
Cam is as done as Kaepernick.
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Again, todays loss had little to do with Mac Jones.
It just did't.
heh
You explained on the forum many weeks back how you would be OK with sacrificing the now - to give the job to Jones. Implying that Newton might win more games but thats OK with you.
Bellichick may feel the same - but never say so. I dont think he misses Cam's MUG or his act one bit - and he will have to live with the W-L consequence
My guess is also that while teammates see how talemted M Jones is, they may feel
a) Newton would have taken them further this year
b) Newton was screwed
Again - you wont hear this opinion from anyone except the press and some fans being fair.
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If the professionals in the NFL agreed with you, hed have been signed.
Signed to do what?
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My guess is also that while teammates see how talemted M Jones is, they may feel
a) Newton would have taken them further this year
b) Newton was screwed
A guess and not even an informed opinion.
Cam was screwed by Cam and by time.
It's nobody's fault but his that his preseason sucked.
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My guess is also that while teammates see how talemted M Jones is, they may feel
a) Newton would have taken them further this year
b) Newton was screwed
On what evidentiary basis would they believe that? Most of them played last year too.
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Kid knows things.
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My guess is also that while teammates see how talemted M Jones is, they may feel
a) Newton would have taken them further this year
b) Newton was screwed
On what evidentiary basis would they believe that? Most of them played last year too.
Kid is on solid HOT TAKE ground-it is impossible to disprove his HOT TAKE.
Even if Cam never plays another NFL game because no GM or coach thinks he's good enough, kid can maintain the HT that Cam was the better choice. He doesn't need evidence or common sense just a troll's sensibility.
And kid I told you last year, after the Cam signing, why I was not a Cam fan. And he did nothing to prove me wrong that he was a stop-gap quick fix until the next Pat's QB could be found.
As for losses, nobody likes them, but I accepted the risks that come with starting a rookie QB, as its the best way for them to learn and for coaches to assess their talent.
I'm not a coach but so far I like what I've seen so far from Mac in 3 games. I hope he survives his 4th.
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You should probably spend some time reading that and then thinking about it.
A rookie QB, playing in his 3rd game, with a porous O-line and no run game, was forced to throw to receivers who couldn't get open.
How your Jones doing?
It's the same old song, just in a different uniform, but with the same last name attached.
Danny can make the throws, but only when he has time, and he ain't ever getting it. So, why should one expect Mac to be able to overcome the same kind of O-line deficit?
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I dont think the New England O-line is as bad as you imagine
Its the same group that had Bank projecting 9-12 wins
Saints played well on the road - credit them - they had something to prove and the well-coached outfit got it done.
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And kid I told you last year, after the Cam signing, why I was not a Cam fan. And he did nothing to prove me wrong that he was a stop-gap quick fix until the next Pat's QB could be found.
Riiiiight...
Biut this is professional sports - and the TIMING of such a decision is always going to b key. Especially when you are a team looking to win a division (read: not in the Jets or Giants position)
The Eli-Warner comparison is appropriate. It can be said Giants flushed that year but for the good of the future. All I am saying is this NE situation '21 could be quite similar. But of course Pats fans want to say 9-12 wins
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I dont think the New England O-line is as bad as you imagine
Its the same group that had Bank projecting 9-12 wins
Saints played well on the road - credit them - they had something to prove and the well-coached outfit got it done.
No its not the same group. The O-line lost their starting right tackle, Trent Brown in wk 1, and the line has played like crap since. PERIOD.
If you watched, which I doubt, you would have seen the consistent pressure Mac has been under.
Bank projected 9-12 Ws in the pre-season, with the assumption of a healthy O-line, and a strong running game and the 2 new TE. He also assumed Gilmore, their DPOY CB, would come to terms and play.
The O-line has sucked, the 2 TEs have mostly been no-shows, Smith was a huge negative factor yesterday, the running game has not really jelled and the D has been hurt by the absence of Gilmore.
9 wins is possible, but they have to play better ( O, D and ST, and ST has been terrible) and become a far more disciplined team.
And kid I told you last year, after the Cam signing, why I was not a Cam fan. And he did nothing to prove me wrong that he was a stop-gap quick fix until the next Pat's QB could be found.
You should have left your snarky BS answer, as "Right" because I was.
And I also told you to stay away from picking the Pats W total as an over (9-9.5).
Was I right about that too?
Did you ever pay-off your lost bets?
Or are your stories about your bets all lies and hot takes too?
HEH
As for Eli-Warner, the Giants benched Warner with a 5-2 record, and Eli struggled the rest of the season with what 1 win?. The difference between the Pats in '21 and the Giants in '04 is that the Pats risked almost nothing in starting Mac, the Giants risked a post-season. There is nothing to indicate the Pats with Cam as starter would have improved from the 7-9 record he had last year.
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9 wins is possible, but they have to play better ( O, D and ST, and ST has been terrible) and become a far more disciplined team.
Wow - what an incredible shift.
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Did you ever pay-off your lost bets?
In the legal betting world money is up front
But I am sure you and your not so massive funds still deal with a midget named Harry.
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9 wins is possible, but they have to play better ( O, D and ST, and ST has been terrible) and become a far more disciplined team.
Wow - what an incredible shift.
Its called learning.
You see new information which differs from the old information, you process it, and adjust to a new reality.
I bet with Gary, and Jimmy and Al and a few other guys, but don't know a midget named Harry.
Poor kid can't answer a straight question.
So you pre-paid your -175 bet (175 to win 100) last year on the Pats buydown of over 9-9.5 wins?
I told you not to.
A fool and their money....
LMAO
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Did you ever pay-off your lost bets?
In the legal betting world money is up front
But I am sure you and your not so massive funds still deal with a midget named Harry.
Harry the Midget only takes small bets, of course.
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Did you ever pay-off your lost bets?
In the legal betting world money is up front
But I am sure you and your not so massive funds still deal with a midget named Harry.
That's sizeist. He prefers to be called a dwarf. That's the type of thing that leads to a high suicide rate among them.
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9 wins is possible, but they have to play better ( O, D and ST, and ST has been terrible) and become a far more disciplined team.
Wow - what an incredible shift.
Its called learning.
You see new information which differs from the old information, you process it, and adjust to a new reality.
I bet with Gary, and Jimmy and Al and a few other guys, but don't know a midget named Harry.
Poor kid can't answer a straight question.
So you pre-paid your -175 bet (175 to win 100) last year on the Pats buydown of over 9-9.5 wins?
I told you not to.
A fool and their money....
LMAO
The new info including the kid QB, of course
You have come around. I give you that much.
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Did you ever pay-off your lost bets?
In the legal betting world money is up front
But I am sure you and your not so massive funds still deal with a midget named Harry.
Harry the Midget only takes small bets, of course.
Odd Couple reference - surely missed by all here
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Dan Campbell is a class act
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ravens-field-goal-controversy-lions-coach-apology-wont-matter
Browns and Steelers come out on the short end of this. Though Ravens are the best team and still would be at 1-2.
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Dan Campbell is a class act
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ravens-field-goal-controversy-lions-coach-apology-wont-matter
Browns and Steelers come out on the short end of this. Though Ravens are the best team and still would be at 1-2.
Browns get the short end, maybe.
Pittsburgh and in particular Big Ben is looking done. I still like that D and it will keep them around for a while, but even with that they are a 9 and 8 team.
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9 and 8 just looks weird.
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Dan Campbell is a class act
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ravens-field-goal-controversy-lions-coach-apology-wont-matter
Browns and Steelers come out on the short end of this. Though Ravens are the best team and still would be at 1-2.
Browns get the short end, maybe.
Pittsburgh and in particular Big Ben is looking done. I still like that D and it will keep them around for a while, but even with that they are a 9 and 8 team.
Keep forgetting there are 17 games
O/U for Steelers was 8.5
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Keep forgetting there are 17 games
for an active gambler with a taste for wagering on win totals that seems like an important fact to know.
HEH
pre-season win totals
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals/ (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals/)
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for an active gambler with a taste for wagering on win totals that seems like an important fact to know.
This would tell you something - if you would unlock your brain, drain the hate.
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for an active gambler with a taste for wagering on win totals that seems like an important fact to know.
This would tell you something - if you would unlock your brain, drain the hate.
it reinforces my long held belief you're full of shit and routinely lie. I don't hate you kid. I just enjoy exposing your bullshit. I'm well aware you are not a gambler. Perhaps if you dealt honestly with people you might get the responses you seem to need.
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Let it lie, pal. Easy now.
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So....who we got tonight?
Feeling Cowboys minus the points though Eagles points allowed to date is impressive
DAK may just be THAT MUCH BETTER than advertised. We shall soon see.
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Cowboys dominating, in a big play 1st half.
I wonder if McCarthy can tell time.
2nd and 31 two TOs in his pocket, and the two minute warning, and nothing.
Even the ref thought he was going to call a TO.
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He needs a bigger clock.
Heh
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HEH
Another big play.
That had to Hurts.
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And the over
Nice
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DAK may just be THAT MUCH BETTER than advertised. We shall soon see.
143.3 rating tonight
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Hurts tosses a garbage time TD. And I win in fantasy by 5. Awesome.
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Stay humble, Eli: https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-eli-manning-double-bird-eagles-20210928-en2jcwkwjbb3leb7jkxd7quyim-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-eli-manning-double-bird-eagles-20210928-en2jcwkwjbb3leb7jkxd7quyim-story.html)
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Hurts tosses a garbage time TD. And I win in fantasy by 5. Awesome.
Very nice
And now you are changing your QB......
Good luck with that.
I dont see an offer to make but down the line if you want Rodgers or Jackson let me know your thinking.
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Recommend Danny Dimes over Carr, for what its worth
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Who is going to catch the passes for giants? All injured and mediocre at best. Mara put on a show blaming everybody but himself. Needs someone to show him what a GM is supposed to look like.
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How about the first round pick? Makes a bit of sense to look at him closely.
What's with Engram? Cant run routes? Giants have always used the TE well. Sad.
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Recommend Danny Dimes over Carr, for what its worth
Only if i want to lose.
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Yeah - maybe not for this week......
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Thursday, Sept. 30, 8:20 PM Cincy -7.5 Jags 46 Bengals, 27-24
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM WFT -1.5 Atlanta 48
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM Chic -3 Lions 42.5
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM Titans -7.5 NYJ 46
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM Browns -1.5 MN 52.5
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM Miami -2 Colts 43
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM Dallas -5 Panthers 50.5
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM NO -8 Giants 43.5
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM Chiefs -7.5 Phil 54.5
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM Buffalo -16.5 Texans 47.5
Sunday, Oct. 3, 4:05 PM LAR -6 Cards 54.5
Sunday, Oct. 3, 4:05 PM SF -3 Seahawks 52
Sunday, Oct. 3, 4:25 PM Ravens -1 Denver 44
Sunday, Oct. 3, 4:25 PM GB -7 Steelers 45.5
Sunday, Oct. 3, 8:20 PM Bucs -6.5 NE 49
Monday, Oct. 4, 4:25 PM LAC -3 Raiders 52.5
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Looking forward to Lawrence vs Burrow tonight.
Over on the 492 combined pass yards - and a close contest
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Looking forward to Lawrence vs Burrow tonight.
Over on the 492 combined pass yards - and a close contest
I really don't like the .5 hook but I got Cincy covering the -7.5 in my ATS pool. (had a real good week last week)
Rookie coach and rookie QB on the road on a short week might be problematic.
I figure Cincy wins by 14. Which means odds are decent for the back door cover.
Cincy 31
Jax 17
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I saw a lot of Jax on Sunday. I honestly thought Lawrence would be more pro ready. He will get there. Not this.week, though. Cinci.
I was surprised by how badly Football Team's defense did last week, but I think Atlanta is just bad..WTF.
Nine.sacks. One net passing yard. The book on Fields coming out of the was he held the ball to long. With that O line he will get killed. Detroit.
But I still think he is better than Zach Wilson. Tennessee.
16 and 1! Browns.
Really surprised at how poorly Indy has played. Not in the east surprised tbat.Wemtz has injury issues. Miami.
Time to see if Darnold is real. Carolina.
New Orleans should be able to handle Jones.
I think KC is going to start playing angry. Chiefs.
I am surprised how not bad Texas has been on defense. But Bflo is going to handle them.
The Rams will beat Arizona so bad ot even CyberNinjas can help.
Jimmy G will get a lot of value back after this year. SF
If Jackson plays, Ravens.
Offensively Pitt looks old and slow. Come to think, the ARE old and slow. Green Bay
I cannot wait for this to be over so we can get back to the normal way too many Brady stories, as opposed to the way, way, WAY too many Brady stories. Tampa.
I really like how Carr is playing, but I will take the current LA team over the former one.
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Jax has had a tough sched. This is their chance, though on the road, to break through.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they win this game
Thinking of going over to the FanDuel just to enjoy the atmosphere and the multiple screens (for Yanks-Jays)
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Picked up Marvin Jones in my fantasy B league to add some spice tonight
Playing him over Waddle Woods Anderson Kirk and (of course) Shepherd
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Darnold at Dallas or Wilson at San Fran this week?
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Looking forward to Lawrence vs Burrow tonight.
Over on the 492 combined pass yards - and a close contest
yyyyepp
good game
Tough one for Trevor.
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Cincy must have sucked in the first half going down 14-0, (didn't check the play by play) because they looked pretty decent when I turned on the game in the 3rd qtr. outscoring Jax 24-7.
spilled milk and ATS loss
but still have my head or at least my nose just above water in my ATS pool
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KO Pool
wk 1 SF
wk 2 CLV
Week 3 Denver
KO Pool
Week 4 Buffalo
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Cincy must have sucked in the first half going down 14-0, (didn't check the play by play) because they looked pretty decent when I turned on the game in the 3rd qtr. outscoring Jax 24-7.
spilled milk and ATS loss
but still have my head or at least my nose just above water in my ATS pool
Urban Meyer may have lost the game (I said so at the time) when he passed on a 19-yard FG at the end of the first half, Lawrence being stopped just shy of the goal line on 4th down. Would have been 17-zip.
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Upsets (5-3)
Atlanta
Denver
(Steelers have a shot but I will hold off)
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Upsets (5-3)
Atlanta
Denver
(Steelers have a shot but I will hold off)
it sounds like we're playing similar slates as I'm favorite heavy this week, after playing a lot of dogs in the first 3 weeks.
Although in my pool Balt is a 1 point dog to Denver.
Not much of an upset either way.
I may tinker a bit, there are a couple of 7.5 games I'm second guessing myself on
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How bad are this years edition of jets? Cannot stop a 3rd and 26 by tenn. Simple screen pass.
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Danny Dimes playing well
Got screwed statistically, losing TD pass then forcing the INT hail mary.
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#1 pick also playing well for Gmen
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OMG Jets have actually tied it. Wilson looking really good.
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Saquon alert!
Dimes! on the money.
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Misses Barkley on key first down from 34
And how come only I know that with two time outs you RUN THE FUCKING BALL on second and ten
Gano for the tie,,,,,,
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Money.
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Jalen Hurts is the master of the garbage time touchdown.
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Whew a win.
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NY football gets a double win.
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sweeeeeeeeet win for Danny and Barkley
High draft picks looking great.
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Browns Vikings o/u 52.5
they score 21 combined
heh
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Browns Vikings o/u 52.5
they score 21 combined
heh
Winzawin.
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America has no team to root for, tonight.
Same as this Tuesday.
Happens sometimes.
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I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night
But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.
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I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night
But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.
That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?
Heh
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I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night
But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.
That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?
Heh
It is.
Eli is retired. Brady is still winning games.
Won more Super Bowls after losing his second to Eli than Eli won in his career.
He's won more Super Bowls than the Manning brothers appeared in.
So, keep trotting out the inferior Eli Manning as if there is meaning to it, Hamilton. It's about the most effective your posts get these days, and it still doesn't amount to much.
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I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night
But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.
That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?
Heh
As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.
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I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night
But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.
That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?
Heh
As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.
He's a product of an era. That's all. I've seen better QBs.
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Brady is inaccurate, tonight. Rain? Or are the balls not deflated properly?
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Browns Vikings o/u 52.5
they score 21 combined
heh
Winzawin.
I suck at over/under - dont even keep track any more
Actually nailed that one
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I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night
But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.
That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?
Heh
As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.
He's a product of an era. That's all. I've seen better QBs.
You may have seen better passers. I have too. But you nor I have ever seen a better QB. Nor a leader like Brady do what he can do for as long as he has done it. He is the unicorn.
Poorly informed people often confuse the difference between the qualities of a great QB and a guy who can throw the ball.
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Congratulations to BEN ROETHLISBERGER on 400 TD passes (205 picks).
(Rodgers gets #420 in same game, vs just 91 INT)
Brady 591 vs 193
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93.8
97.4
103.9
Overall reg season ratings of the 3 QB
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Brady finding out that visitors don't get the calls in NE.
Heh
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I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night
But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.
That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?
Heh
As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.
He's a product of an era. That's all. I've seen better QBs.
You may have seen better passers. I have too. But you nor I have ever seen a better QB. Nor a leader like Brady do what he can do for as long as he has done it. He is the unicorn.
Poorly informed people often confuse the difference between the qualities of a great QB and a guy who can throw the ball.
You well represent the poorly informed, so there's that.
Product of the era.
The end.
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I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night
But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.
That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?
Heh
As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.
He's a product of an era. That's all. I've seen better QBs.
You may have seen better passers. I have too. But you nor I have ever seen a better QB. Nor a leader like Brady do what he can do for as long as he has done it. He is the unicorn.
Poorly informed people often confuse the difference between the qualities of a great QB and a guy who can throw the ball.
You well represent the poorly informed, so there's that.
Product of the era.
The end.
Yes Brady is a product of his times.
And he adapted to those times in a manner and with a level of success and longevity which had never been witnessed in the NFL.
You inarticulate ill-informed troll.
Danny Dimes wins a game and the troll comes out of hiding.
LMAO
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Banks' team is losing. It's way easy to tell.
Heh
Brady a nonfactor in the game do far.
Heh
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Jones outplaying Brady.
Looks good out there.
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Puzzling - no 2 point conversion try for Bucs
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Helluva drive.
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I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night
But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.
That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?
Heh
As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.
He's a product of an era. That's all. I've seen better QBs.
Of course you have.
You're deluded, but that is nothing new.
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Sloppy and boring game. That's what happens when defense is outlawed.
NFL is a snooze fest.
I'm out.
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Rook cant get Patriots in
Good boring game
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Need 6+2 for the cover
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I haven't been bored.
I suspect most football fans have enjoyed a physical game.
Mac has done a nice job with no ground game.
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Dang, AB.
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Mac has his 2:00 for glory.
This game has been really good
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White Newton with his chance at a statement drive.
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Brilliant coaching by BB either way.
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SONOFABITCH
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Cam chuckles
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BUFFALO
New York
Miami
New England
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BB should have gone for it on 4th down.
That was a good game
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BUFFALO
New York
Miami
New England
20 years of kid's inferiority expressed in his post.
LMAO
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BB should have gone for it on 4th down.
That was a good game
I agree
Because Brady was winning it 22-20 anyway
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Cam chuckles
He'd have missed the field goal by an even wider margin.
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DOINK!!!
Heh
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And tbh, had the kick gone through, Brady would have had almost a minute to get his team downfield for another field goal. The Pats probably would have lost anyway!
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The kid outplayed Brady. The defense did well, but as we always see with TB, he got a big assist from the officials on that last drive of his.
How about those Cardinals, eh?
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I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night
But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.
That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?
Heh
As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.
He's a product of an era. That's all. I've seen better QBs.
You may have seen better passers. I have too. But you nor I have ever seen a better QB. Nor a leader like Brady do what he can do for as long as he has done it. He is the unicorn.
Poorly informed people often confuse the difference between the qualities of a great QB and a guy who can throw the ball.
You well represent the poorly informed, so there's that.
Product of the era.
What does that even mean? It doesn't matter if you are Tom Brady or Joe Montana or Johnny Unitas, or Otto Graham or Sid Luckman, every quarterback is a product of the era. That is not for them to decide. All they have to decide is what to do with the time that is given them. The era influences his numbers, but not his ability as a quarterback. Brady is not like Lamar Jackson or Jalen Hurts or Kyle Murray; he does not have a skill set that is unique to now, in fact if anything he is an outlier: a strong armed and accurate pocket passer with a quick release and snap decision making who is more mobile in the pocket than mobile generally. Yes, the difference in era makes raw number comparisons inexact if not downright lies, but there is nothing in Brady that would make him any less great in any earlier era. Mind you this is coming from someone who generally dislikes northeastern US sports teams and has rooted against him for his entire career and in every Super Bowl he played in except one he lost*, loathes Bill Belcher (so much so that I am keeping the autocorrect) and refuses to even mention his alma mater without insulting that Voldemort of US educational institutions.
I don't necessarily disagree with you on the ultimate point -.I am not sure who I would seriously propose for the GOAT - but to say someone is a product of their times to me needs to be backed by identifying what would make them less of a quarterback in different times. I don't see that with Brady.
* Fuck the 72 Dolphins.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you on the ultimate point -.I am not sure who I would seriously propose for the GOAT - but to say someone is a product of their times to me needs to be backed by identifying what would make them less of a quarterback in different times. I don't see that with Brady.
Statistically this one is easy
2 back sets for one.
Bump and run is another.
Sticky stuff, a la Lester Hayes.....
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As for the GOAT - well, I gave you the numbers
You like the guy on the better teams? Thats cool.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you on the ultimate point -.I am not sure who I would seriously propose for the GOAT - but to say someone is a product of their times to me needs to be backed by identifying what would make them less of a quarterback in different times. I don't see that with Brady.
Statistically this one is easy
2 back sets for one.
Bump and run is another.
Sticky stuff, a la Lester Hayes.....
So what about Brady makes you think he wouldn't be as relatively successful in those days as he is now?
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Depending on the team he was with....
There is ONE player with a better W-L record in playoff games than Brady (by percentage, minimum ten games) edit - make that 2
Tom could possibly be as good as THAT guy if he played back then. Dont know if he'd have been the best.
Did guys like Starr and Bradshaw get picked off more back then because they were inadequate - or because there were less guys getting open? Hmmm...
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A better question to ask is could QBs from prior periods adapt to faster, smarter and quicker defensive players and more complex defensive schemes and process the massive amount of info that Brady (or Peyton or Rodgers have to today) within a few seconds and adjust his calls to what he sees?
Again don't confuse passing stats as the sole factor needed to be a great QB.
Marino may have been the best passer I ever saw, but he wasn't close to being the best QB.
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A better question to ask is could QBs from prior periods adapt to faster, smarter and quicker defensive players and more complex defensive schemes and process the massive amount of info that Brady (or Peyton or Rodgers have to today) within a few seconds and adjust his calls to what he sees?
Well, no way
Havent you heard - Terry Bradshaw was dumb, dumb, dumbbbb
heh
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I do not think guys not getting open was a problem for Bradshaw.
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Heh
Compared to now?
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Do you know that the 60s Packers and 70s Steelers both relied on great Ds packed with all-time great players to win championships and generally were reliant on ground games on offense (Packers more than the Steelers).
Probably not.
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NFL playoff QB win percentage
Starr 9-1
Plunkett 8-2
Brady 34-11
Bradshaw 14-5
Montana 16-7
I am sure I missed a couple
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Starr was the epitome of the "game manager" QB.
A great QB for about 7 years and an NFL legend, but not surprisingly, he was not one of the 10 QBs named to the NFL 100 All-time team.
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NFL playoff QB win percentage
Starr 9-1
Plunkett 8-2
Brady 34-11
Bradshaw 14-5
Montana 16-7
I am sure I missed a couple
Otto Graham, 9 and 3.
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Jeff Hostetler 4-1!
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NFL playoff QB win percentage
Starr 9-1
Plunkett 8-2
Brady 34-11
Bradshaw 14-5
Montana 16-7
I am sure I missed a couple
You missed at least three things, Kid.
1) You missed the percentages that you claimed you were posting!
2) Sid Luckman and Trent Dilfer were both 5-1 in the playoffs. Unitas, Theisman, and Mahomes are all 6-2.
3) The thing about all those Playoff records is that they misrepresent the stats.
Starr 9-9
Plunkett 8-9
Brady 34-12
Bradshaw 14-9
Montana 16-8
Giving QBs a pass for not even making it to the playoffs makes no sense. Ooh! Montana went 4 - 0 in SBs!
Yeah, because he lost before he got to the others. No credit for failing to make the playoffs.
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NFL playoff QB win percentage
Starr 9-1
Plunkett 8-2
Brady 34-11
Bradshaw 14-5
Montana 16-7
I am sure I missed a couple
You missed at least three things, Kid.
1) You missed the percentages that you claimed you were posting!
2) Sid Luckman and Trent Dilfer were both 5-1 in the playoffs. Unitas, Theisman, and Mahomes are all 6-2.
3) The thing about all those Playoff records is that they misrepresent the stats.
Starr 9-9
Plunkett 8-9
Brady 34-12
Bradshaw 14-9
Montana 16-8
Giving QBs a pass for not even making it to the playoffs makes no sense. Ooh! Montana went 4 - 0 in SBs!
Yeah, because he lost before he got to the others. No credit for failing to make the playoffs.
Hence, Otto Gdaham's greatness in never failing to make a championship game.
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NFL playoff QB win percentage
Starr 9-1
Plunkett 8-2
Brady 34-11
Bradshaw 14-5
Montana 16-7
I am sure I missed a couple
You missed at least three things, Kid.
1) You missed the percentages that you claimed you were posting!
2) Sid Luckman and Trent Dilfer were both 5-1 in the playoffs. Unitas, Theisman, and Mahomes are all 6-2.
3) The thing about all those Playoff records is that they misrepresent the stats.
Starr 9-9
Plunkett 8-9
Brady 34-12
Bradshaw 14-9
Montana 16-8
Giving QBs a pass for not even making it to the playoffs makes no sense. Ooh! Montana went 4 - 0 in SBs!
Yeah, because he lost before he got to the others. No credit for failing to make the playoffs.
I said minimum 10 games
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NFL playoff QB win percentage
Starr 9-1
Plunkett 8-2
Brady 34-11
Bradshaw 14-5
Montana 16-7
I am sure I missed a couple
You missed at least three things, Kid.
1) You missed the percentages that you claimed you were posting!
2) Sid Luckman and Trent Dilfer were both 5-1 in the playoffs. Unitas, Theisman, and Mahomes are all 6-2.
3) The thing about all those Playoff records is that they misrepresent the stats.
Starr 9-9
Plunkett 8-9
Brady 34-12
Bradshaw 14-9
Montana 16-8
Giving QBs a pass for not even making it to the playoffs makes no sense. Ooh! Montana went 4 - 0 in SBs!
Yeah, because he lost before he got to the others. No credit for failing to make the playoffs.
I said minimum 10 games
"NFL playoff QB win percentage
Starr 9-1
Plunkett 8-2
Brady 34-11
Bradshaw 14-5
Montana 16-7
I am sure I missed a couple"
Just like you posted the percentages.
Got it.
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I think Starr is unfairly criticized here as merely a "game manager". When he had to throw he was accurate, including the long throw (Throw The Long Bomb the title of one of his bios)
Rodgers is the best of all time.
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I think Starr is unfairly criticized here as merely a "game manager". When he had to throw he was accurate, including the long throw (Throw The Long Bomb the title of one of his bios)
Rodgers is the best of all time.
If only he could get into the playoffs more and do better in them.
He couldn't and he didn't.
He had the potential to be the best of all time and failed to realize it.
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I think Starr is unfairly criticized here as merely a "game manager". When he had to throw he was accurate, including the long throw (Throw The Long Bomb the title of one of his bios)
Rodgers is the best of all time.
Kid's got a boner for Packer QBs.
For most of his career, Starr had two all-timers, Hornung and Taylor in his backfield, running behind a storied O-line, and threw on average about 125 yards per game.
And as noted he was not included among the 10 NFL QBs in the NFL 100 All-time team as determined by a panel of experts.
During his hey day, Starr was a star, but Unitas was considered the best passer and best QB in the NFL.
Rodgers is a great passer, can make throws few can, but he is not the best QB of all time. I do not think he's seriously in that conversation as his record in big games is mediocre.
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Record in big games cannot be attributed totally to a quarterback
I stand by Rodgers over Brady. Tom is of course a superstar.
As for your Bart Starr comments, you're a fucking idiot. And yes, I know how good the Packers teams in that 6-7 year run were.
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Record in big games cannot be attributed totally to a quarterback
I stand by Rodgers over Brady. Tom is of course a superstar.
As for your Bart Starr comments, you're a fucking idiot. And yes, I know how good the Packers teams in that 6-7 year run were.
In Green Bay Lombardi won titles with an all-pro packed defense and HoFers Taylor and Horning running behind a great O-line. Starr managed it for Lombardi.
You can stand wherever you like with Rodgers, he's a very good QB, but he's not in Brady's class as a leader or winner. And never will be.
As I said before, ill-informed people often confuse passing stats and how well a QB leads a team.
Thank you for illustrating my point.
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Which of Brady's title teams would Rodgers have lost with?
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Which of Brady's title teams would Rodgers have lost with?
LMAO
Tough question as Rodgers would have been sitting on the bench watching the GOAT play.
kid you are an idiot.
Rodgers couldn't get his team to more than 1 SB, Brady got his to 10.
TFF
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Which of Brady's title teams would Rodgers have lost with?
LMAO
Tough question as Rodgers would have been sitting on the bench watching the GOAT play.
kid you are an idiot.
Rodgers couldn't get his team to more than 1 SB, Brady got his to 10.
TFF
The answer is QUITE LIKELY ZERO
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Which of Brady's title teams would Rodgers have lost with?
LMAO
Tough question as Rodgers would have been sitting on the bench watching the GOAT play.
kid you are an idiot.
Rodgers couldn't get his team to more than 1 SB, Brady got his to 10.
TFF
The answer is QUITE LIKELY ZERO
LMAO
Lets take a look at 2020 and Brady's and Tampa's win over the defending champions, the KC Chiefs in the Superbowl.
To get to play the Chiefs, Tampa had to play and defeat Washington on the road, then Drew Brees and the Saints in New Orleans, and then
WAIT for it
Aaron Rodgers and the Packers in Green Bay.
Yup on a new team still learning to play together in a covid challenged year, Brady goes into Lambeau and beats Rodgers and the Packers
So in consecutive weeks Brady QBs wins on the road against Hof Bound Brees, Hof bound Rodgers, and likely HoF bound Mahomes.
Rodgers couldn't defend the sacred turf of Lambeau, the home of Starr and Favre, and you just assign him SB wins.
Kid you are a fucking moron.
And cemented for all time Elba's Village Idiot award in perpetuity.
Congratulations.
You earned it.
As an aside, I'm not going to do this for all Brady's SBs, but I do not think there is any other QB living or dead, who could have engineered a comeback like Brady did down 28-3 to the Falcons in SB 51.
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I do not think there is any other QB living or dead, who could have engineered a comeback like Brady did down 28-3 to the Falcons
So...you never saw Roger (inventor if the 2 minute drill) Staubach play?
And he had to do it against defenses which could 1) play bump and run
2) crush receivers going across the middle
3) And were allowed to truly hit the qb.
So did Montana.
But I guess you missed out on those guys.
Hell, against Atlanta's D, Bucky Always would've won that game.
Maybe even The Polish Rifle!
More than a few if those rings of TBs we're earned by opposing coaches.
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Don't be too upset Hammy you finished a close second to kid.
My NFL days go back to the late 50s.
And I'm familiar with the work of Roger going back to his Navy days and as dad was a Navy man I became a big fan of his in college and when he shipped out to Dallas.
But the thing is, Roger could run a 2 minute drill, but Tom had to run about a 25 minute drill from the middle of the 3rd qtr and into OT against the Falcons. It was a comeback so improbable as to be almost unthinkable
The deficit was so big and so daunting he had to be perfect, and he was, on the NFL's biggest stage against the best team in the NFC.
That he capitalized on mistakes is a strength not a weakness.
Its called being opportunistic.
And fwiw throwing out names means nothing to me.
Make an argument and back it up with facts you inarticulate dolt.
Polish rifle?
The one with the instructions that reads, "point this end out"?
or the Iggles QB?
LMAO
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Which of Brady's title teams would Rodgers have lost with?
LMAO
Tough question as Rodgers would have been sitting on the bench watching the GOAT play.
kid you are an idiot.
Rodgers couldn't get his team to more than 1 SB, Brady got his to 10.
TFF
The answer is QUITE LIKELY ZERO
So in your view In NONE of the five times Brady was MVP he was irreplaceable and necessary for the outcome?
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I think Brady is fortunate to have seven, while you think he should have 9 or 10 rings
Correct?
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I do not think there is any other QB living or dead, who could have engineered a comeback like Brady did down 28-3 to the Falcons
Tom ran successful drives, with great offensive talent.
His defense kept getting him the ball back, as Falcons (see Hamilton's coaching point) stopped allowing Matt Ryan to throw.
Amend - checked play log which confirmed the Pats defensive excellence - defense got key sacks and forced a big turnover - there was also a key holding call that really changed the game on ATL late drive
Still puzzling how Falcons have the ball up 8 at the NE 22 with 3:44 left and let it get to overtime
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Don't be too upset Hammy you finished a close second to kid.
My NFL days go back to the late 50s.
And I'm familiar with the work of Roger going back to his Navy days and as dad was a Navy man I became a big fan of his in college and when he shipped out to Dallas.
But the thing is, Roger could run a 2 minute drill, but Tom had to run about a 25 minute drill from the middle of the 3rd qtr and into OT against the Falcons. It was a comeback so improbable as to be almost unthinkable
The deficit was so big and so daunting he had to be perfect, and he was, on the NFL's biggest stage against the best team in the NFC.
That he capitalized on mistakes is a strength not a weakness.
Its called being opportunistic.
And fwiw throwing out names means nothing to me.
Make an argument and back it up with facts you inarticulate dolt.
Polish rifle?
The one with the instructions that reads, "point this end out"?
or the Iggles QB?
LMAO
Sp, you basically have no counterargument to the FACT that Brady plays in an era which is soft on the QB, favors the offense completely, and rewards mediocrity.
Got it.
Nice attempt to insult other posters, your default mechanism when you realize you've overstated a case and have been shown to be wrong, though.
The problem with that, though, is that one would have to give a shit about what you think of one.
And most here really don't. Except for josh, who worries what everyone thinks of him, and the sensitive larry, who sees insults in every post that runs counter to his.
Your memory may go back the 1950's, but your ability to reason is stuck in your ten-year old mind, Howdy-Doody.
As for more facts, there are greater comebacks than the Brady-Atlanta comeback, in more difficult to play QB eras, with stakes that could be argued as being even higher than what your boy faced against Atlanta--Ask Frank Reich, down 32 points in the play-offs, wins. Reich also has the biggest comeback in college football, too, so he's another guy who could have done what Brady and his teammates did. And, he was a back-up QB, too.
Surely, your steel-trap like memory recalls Dec. 15, 1974 at Miami, when Earl Morrall led the Miami Dolphins in a 26 point comeback over the Patriots. Of course, Morall was just another back-up QB, and the Pats were trying to have a winning season, at the time---not to be, though. Thanks, Earl!
If you want someone from this era, consider asking Andrew Luck, when he gets up.
Of course those comebacks were at home, and not on the road.
One of the best comebacks of all time came from Roger the Dodger, on the road in SF, a very difficult place to play, and in the divisional play-offs. December 1972.
Here, you can watch it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiQa1MIOYAk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiQa1MIOYAk)
Additionally, what I said holds true. Brady is a product of his era. Because the game has changed so much he's never had to face this (nor has his receivers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWqVij6tLz8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWqVij6tLz8)
Or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeJFEf7JfUA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeJFEf7JfUA)
if you have time, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugsih3dhIpQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugsih3dhIpQ)
And he certainly never had to face this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hTM_HA0EAw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hTM_HA0EAw)
Do have a nice day.
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I do not think there is any other QB living or dead, who could have engineered a comeback like Brady did down 28-3 to the Falcons
Tom ran successful drives, with great offensive talent.
His defense kept getting him the ball back, as Falcons (see Hamilton's coaching point) stopped allowing Matt Ryan to throw.
Brady's "great" offensive talent in that game were Jules, James White, Danny Amendola, LaGarrett Blount, Chris Hogan. Gronk was on the DL. Brady, as we've discussed before made average players better. Jules was the only great skill player and as most knowhe was a 7th round QB turned into a slot receiver.
And the D did play well, but you're wrong, if Atlanta had been more conservative and run the ball rather than throw they might have killed time limiting Brady's ability make up the huge deficit.
Kid-You literally have no idea what you are talking about.
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Sp, you basically have no counterargument to the FACT that Brady plays in an era which is soft on the QB, favors the offense completely, and rewards mediocrity.
As we discussed yesterday, like every other player in every other sport, he played in the era under the rules and conditions, every other player in that era did. What was different was in the NFL no player has demonstrated his excellence and achievements for as long as he has.
And you have no counterarguments to his skills and abilities to adapt and compete against faster, bigger, more specialized, better coached defensive players who are far superior athletes using far more complex defensive schemes than employed in the past.
And his era was so soft he lost a year to a low hit that blew out his knee.
And Hammy this has nothing to do with you being a terrible piece of shit human being, this is about you knowing nothing about the topic. And you were called on on that.
Now be careful with that Polish Rifle, you might shoot your eye out.
And I'm glad you had fun Googling "great NFL comebacks"
LMAO
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Brady's "great" offensive talent in that game were Jules, James White, Danny Amendola, LaGarrett Blount, Chris Hogan. Gronk was on the DL. Brady, as we've discussed before made average players better. Jules was the only great skill player and as most knowhe was a 7th round QB turned into a slot receiver.
Yes
Edelman Amendola and Hogan
Blount and White
Blount had a key early turnover. Pats had a few three and outs and Tom had a pick.
The comeback was solid, no doubt. Not superhuman at all. Falcs just needed 1 or 2 key conversions - or to not hold - and it was pretty much over. Pats D came through
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I stand by Rodgers over Brady.
Nobody doubted that for a minute.
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Which of Brady's title teams would Rodgers have lost with?
LMAO
Tough question as Rodgers would have been sitting on the bench watching the GOAT play.
kid you are an idiot.
Rodgers couldn't get his team to more than 1 SB, Brady got his to 10.
TFF
The answer is QUITE LIKELY ZERO
Such emphasis on so little factual basis.
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Sp, you basically have no counterargument to the FACT that Brady plays in an era which is soft on the QB, favors the offense completely, and rewards mediocrity.
As we discussed yesterday, like every other player in every other sport, he played in the era under the rules and conditions, every other player in that era did. What was different was in the NFL no player has demonstrated his excellence and achievements for as long as he has.
And you have no counterarguments to his skills and abilities to adapt and compete against faster, bigger, more specialized, better coached defensive players who are far superior athletes using far more complex defensive schemes than employed in the past.
And his era was so soft he lost a year to a low hit that blew out his knee.
And Hammy this has nothing to do with you being a terrible piece of shit human being, this is about you knowing nothing about the topic. And you were called on on that.
Now be careful with that Polish Rifle, you might shoot your eye out.
And I'm glad you had fun Googling "great NFL comebacks"
LMAO
You remain inured to reality.
You've lost another one.
Ciao.
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True leadership shown by this "passer"
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32221105/aaron-rodgers-says-green-bay-packers-trouble-freak-one-loss
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Pats down 2 more O-lineman due to covid.
BB talking to Cashman to see if they can swing a deal for Judge and Stanton.
And CB Gilmore, former DPOY, traded to Carolina for bupkis, a '23 6th round pick.
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Week 5
Thursday, Oct. 7, 8:20 PM Rams -2 Seattle 54.5 Seahawks, 31-28
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM Atlanta -3 Jets 46
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM TB -10 Dolphins 48
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM Carolina -3.5 Eagles 45
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM Saints -2 Wash 44.5
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM Titans -4 Jax 48.5
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM MN -7.5 Lions 49
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM Pitt -1 Broncos 40.5
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM Packers -3 Cincy 49.5
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM Pats -9 Houston 40
Sunday, Oct. 10, 4:05 PM LV -5.5 Bears 45.5
Sunday, Oct. 10, 4:05 PM LAC -1.5 Browns 47
Sunday, Oct. 10, 4:25 PM Dallas -7 Giants 52
Sunday, Oct. 10, 4:25 PM AZ -5.5 49ers 50
Sunday, Oct. 10, 8:20 PM KC -2.5 Bills 56.5
Monday, Oct. 11, 8:15 PM Balt -7 Colts 46
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I was surprised that the Cardinals were able to limit the Rams offense last week. I think they rebound tonight.AR
I think the Jets have won their quota for the year. Falcones.
Surprisee how bad the Fins have been. Tampa.
Carolina wins despite another garbage time TD from Hurst that puts me over the top in fantasy for the third week running.
New.Orleans has been either really good or really bad. Bad this week. Football Team.
Lighten up on Meyer. If you were screwing the pooch at your job that bad you'd get inappropriately drunk too. Tenn.
Lions Play Hard in Losing Effort. Repeat headline weekly through December. Vikings.
Well, Denver's QB may be their backup but at least he doesn't have a fork stuck in him. Denver.
Burrows is playing well but he is no Rodgers. Green.
The Texicans suck. Pats.
I guess the Bears defense can keep them in any game, but Fields just isn't ready. Vegas.
16 - 1 Baybee! Browns.
Dallas is.playing well, and.the Giants are gianting. Cowboys.
Niners. I still think AZ is not sustainable.
🐃 's defense contains Mahone.
Colts. Because fuck all, that's why.
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My pool (yahoo) has the Rams -1. Going with LAR tonight.
Head still (barely) above water.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/urban-meyer-is-finally-being-held-to-account-by-his-team-and-his-sport-and-hes-flailing-in-response-200034230.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/urban-meyer-is-finally-being-held-to-account-by-his-team-and-his-sport-and-hes-flailing-in-response-200034230.html)
What he said.
Only an idiot would defend this clown.
Oh, wait, an idiot already did!
Lighten up on Meyer. If you were screwing the pooch at your job that bad you'd get inappropriately drunk too
Heh
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I don't think any of you anti Meyer the collegiate coach guys can give Meyer the pro guy a fair shake.
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I don't think any of you anti Meyer the collegiate coach guys can give Meyer the pro guy a fair shake.
I had no opinion about him as a college coach. I watch way too little CFB to have an opinion.
Watching his hiring decisions for the pro team, followed by his explanations and sometimes retractions, he has seemed arrogant and insensitive.
The notion of his not flying home with his team is just bizarre.
What is it that you think he needs a fair shake about?!
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I don't think any of you anti Meyer the collegiate coach guys can give Meyer the pro guy a fair shake.
Maybe read the piece.
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Get well, Russ
Good game nevertheless
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https://sports.yahoo.com/urban-meyer-is-finally-being-held-to-account-by-his-team-and-his-sport-and-hes-flailing-in-response-200034230.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/urban-meyer-is-finally-being-held-to-account-by-his-team-and-his-sport-and-hes-flailing-in-response-200034230.html)
What he said.
Only an idiot would defend this clown.
Oh, wait, an idiot already did!
Lighten up on Meyer. If you were screwing the pooch at your job that bad you'd get inappropriately drunk too
Heh
You never used to be this stupid.
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An email from 10 years ago comes back to bite Jon Gruden and get him labeled a racist.
Way of the world, these days.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045)
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Won't matter
He is God in Vegas.
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An email from 10 years ago comes back to bite Jon Gruden and get him labeled a racist.
Way of the world, these days.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045)
How many years after one has demonstrated racist beliefs sans repentance does it take before you think we should just ignore it for an adult?
Clearly, it is less than 10 in your opinion.
How many?
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An email from 10 years ago comes back to bite Jon Gruden and get him labeled a racist.
Way of the world, these days.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045)
How many years after one has demonstrated racist beliefs sans repentance does it take before you think we should just ignore it for an adult?
Clearly, it is less than 10 in your opinion.
How many?
I am betting it is zero. But then Forrest is a racist.
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An email from 10 years ago comes back to bite Jon Gruden and get him labeled a racist.
Way of the world, these days.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045)
How many years after one has demonstrated racist beliefs sans repentance does it take before you think we should just ignore it for an adult?
Clearly, it is less than 10 in your opinion.
How many?
There you go, defining what others have not said.
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An email from 10 years ago comes back to bite Jon Gruden and get him labeled a racist.
Way of the world, these days.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045)
How many years after one has demonstrated racist beliefs sans repentance does it take before you think we should just ignore it for an adult?
Clearly, it is less than 10 in your opinion.
How many?
I am betting it is zero. But then Forrest is a racist.
As much as you are, Malcolm.
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An email from 10 years ago comes back to bite Jon Gruden and get him labeled a racist.
Way of the world, these days.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045)
Geez, Ham, do you ever answer directly a question that comes your way?
How many years after one has demonstrated racist beliefs sans repentance does it take before you think we should just ignore it for an adult?
Clearly, it is less than 10 in your opinion.
How many?
There you go, defining what others have not said.
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Geez, Ham, do you ever answer directly a question that comes your way?
How many years after one has demonstrated racist beliefs sans repentance does it take before you think we should just ignore it for an adult?
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First of all, you have to establish that Gruden has had "racist beliefs", but only after you define that term.
Do so, and then I can answer the question that is DIRECTLY related to the topic, instead of you attempting to redefine the topic or establish a new one.
Stick to Gruden, because the piece is about Gruden, and his having to deal with something he wrote in an email while angry a decade ago.
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KO Pool
wk 1 SF
wk 2 CLV
Week 3 Denver
KO Pool
Week 4 Buffalo
Week 5 Minn.
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Sirius NFL radio guy saying he expects quite a few upsets today.
I have just one. JAGS
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I have 5 or 6 dogs this week.
Pats shitting their pants in Houston.
I'm upset.
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I almost played Texans on the Pats o-line problems,but hate picking against them. But it's their defense which has been offensive against a bad team.
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I almost played Texans on the Pats o-line problems,but hate picking against them. But it's their defense which has been offensive against a bad team.
Oh, the fumble of a touchdown and the dropped 30+ yard pass were none to good, either.
The Pats are fortunate to be down only 15-9 at the half, but they ought to be ahead (or tied, given the inability of either kicker to kick PATs.
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That goal line fumble was brutal. But I figured the D would step up with a crap O-line playing subs, but the D shit themselves against bad team. They're lucky their only down 6.
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And they came back to win, amazingly enough!
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That was fugly but awinzawin. Even against Houston. Maybe halfawin. Bama Mac might have a future, but he better convince BB to get him an O-line.
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I have 5 or 6 dogs this week.
When I say dogs I mean to win the game - just want to clarify
Damn - Giants-Cowboys would have been good with better player health
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Think this delay is too long for the starting QBs to come back out?
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If Gruden had made anti Semitic remarks even Forrest would have supported his ousting.
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Gruden has resigned..
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Sorry to see the Colts blow it.
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An email from 10 years ago comes back to bite Jon Gruden and get him labeled a racist.
Way of the world, these days.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045)
Turns out he was an all purpose bigot in what he wrote, regardless of what his internal beliefs were. Or as he said, he never meant to hurt anybody.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/11/us/nfl-jon-gruden-homophobic-misogynistic-emails-spt/index.html
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Gee, he sounds like an average football coach, where everyone is the enemy, unless they're on your team.
Roger Pontius Goodell is washing his hands of him, to provide the illusion that the NFL gives a crap.
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Gee, he sounds like an average football coach, where everyone is the enemy, unless they're on your team.
Sounds like Ham is yet again being an apologist for bigotry.
No, Ham, if he sounded like an average football coach, then this would have come out about other Washington coaches during the investigation.
It wasn't one letter. It wasn't just 10 years ago. And it is not typical, no matter how much you want to excuse it.
The Times said the emails were sent to Bruce Allen, the former president of the Washington Football Team, over a seven-year period, causing many to question why he was allowed to stay in his role for so long. Allen was fired by the organization in December 2019.
Yes, the Commissioner is a hypocrite in this regard. He knew, but wouldn't have said a thing had the info not been leaked.
I'm sure he didn't mean to hurt anybody, either.
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Gee, he sounds like an average football coach, where everyone is the enemy, unless they're on your team.
Sounds like Ham is yet again being an apologist for bigotry.
It is worth noting that coaches have been fired for using that type of terminology to their teams before.
And yes, Forrest defends his fellow racists and bigots. But I guarantee that if Gruden had made antisemitic remarks jn addition to the racist and homophobic ones Forrest would suddenly have found virtue in wokeness.
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The cultural revolution continues.
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEMAu-uhWVwk4c7dKGi2kiTYqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowocv1CjCSptoCMPvTpgU?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen (https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEMAu-uhWVwk4c7dKGi2kiTYqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowocv1CjCSptoCMPvTpgU?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen)
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Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.
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Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.
Who is defending him?
I'm just showing how the world has changed.
Maybe if you put aside your own biases, you could see that.
Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
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Brett Favre, welfare cheat:
https://sports.yahoo.com/brett-favre-still-owes-mississippi-828-k-in-welfare-money-state-auditor-says-234222745.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/brett-favre-still-owes-mississippi-828-k-in-welfare-money-state-auditor-says-234222745.html)
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Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
Apples and stones.
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Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.
Who is defending him?
I'm just showing how the world has changed.
Maybe if you put aside your own biases, you could see that.
Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
What "biases" might those be?
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Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.
Who is defending him?
I'm just showing how the world has changed.
Maybe if you put aside your own biases, you could see that.
Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
What "biases" might those be?
The bias of not being a racist dick.
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Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.
Who is defending him?
I'm just showing how the world has changed.
Maybe if you put aside your own biases, you could see that.
Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
What "biases" might those be?
Don't be coy.
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Gee, he sounds like an average football coach, where everyone is the enemy, unless they're on your team.
Sounds like Ham is yet again being an apologist for bigotry.
It is worth noting that coaches have been fired for using that type of terminology to their teams before.
And yes, Forrest defends his fellow racists and bigots. But I guarantee that if Gruden had made antisemitic remarks jn addition to the racist and homophobic ones Forrest would suddenly have found virtue in wokeness.
No "defense" was offered. As usual, your default mechanism of "everyone who disagrees with me is a racist" has been falsely deployed.
My condemnation is regarding average football coaches who ARE well-known to be the kind of people with whom YOU would not want to hang out.
you may now return to your day-job of lies, distortion of others' views, and rewriting history, Mao.
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Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.
Who is defending him?
I'm just showing how the world has changed.
Maybe if you put aside your own biases, you could see that.
Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
What "biases" might those be?
Don't be coy.
I want to be a better person. Please tell me how my "biases" are preventing from me accepting that you were merely making a "times have changed" observation.
Or let me ask you a question. Do you think Gruden being removed from job (even if he did the removing) because of his comments was the correct thing to do?
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Why are you requiring a checking in from HamilSam on this issue? Isnt it obvious everyone agrees that Grruden leaving is proper - unless they say it isnt?
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Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.
Who is defending him?
I'm just showing how the world has changed.
Maybe if you put aside your own biases, you could see that.
Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
What "biases" might those be?
Don't be coy.
I want to be a better person. Please tell me how my "biases" are preventing from me accepting that you were merely making a "times have changed" observation.
Or let me ask you a question. Do you think Gruden being removed from job (even if he did the removing) because of his comments was the correct thing to do?
It was the best thing for the employer to do.
What is popular isn't always right, and what is right isn't always popular.
So, yes, it was. the right thing do in that he was essentially rendered useless to the organization.
However, given that he was offered no employee assistance program to become, like you, a better person, maybe it wasn't so right.
If he had a drug and alcohol or gambling addiction problem, he wouldn't get fired, he'd get treatment for this malady.
So, given he has to learn to be a better person, in order to be considered moral enough to send people out on to a field to risk life, limb, and permanent injury for our entertainment, I believe an opportunity was missed by the organization to keep his skills in play for them, while helping him learn to be a better individual.
But that wasn't offered. Instead he was asked to walk the plank and he was fed to the holier-than-thou crowd AKA the sports media.
As usual, these are not either/or things, but in a world where wins and losses are all that matter, he lost, and the organization lost.
You can figure out who wins.
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Why are you requiring a checking in from HamilSam on this issue? Isnt it obvious everyone agrees that Grruden leaving is proper - unless they say it isnt?
He just wants to understand.
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So if you were in charge of the Raiders you would have offered him sensitivity training?
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I dont think any of us know what was offered.
Gruden was embarrassed - he didnt want a circus - he has enough money - he resigned.
What we could discuss -
does any morals clause include past transgression?
Would JG have been entitled to some type of buyout?
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Of course we don't know "what was offered". My question was whether Ham would have offered sensitivity training in lieu of dismissal. To make Gruden a better person.
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Would you?
Was Gruden dismissed?
HamilSam's thoughts here might be directed more at the so-called thought police so prevalent in today's USA. They pick and choose who to attack.
Life Wreckers United
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So if you were in charge of the Raiders you would have offered him sensitivity training?
What's with rewording my clearly written opinion?
I don't know what was offered to him, I just think that if the goal is to arrest the plague of disfunctional activities in the workplace, that the thinking has to be more about education than punishment.
From wikipedia: A hard-throwing left-hander, Howe was the Rookie of the Year in 1980, saved the clinching game of the 1981 World Series, and was an All-Star in 1982. However, his career was derailed by problems with alcohol and cocaine abuse. He was suspended seven times by Major League Baseball for drug-policy violations, and in 1992 he received a lifetime ban from baseball that he was able to overturn with an appeal. After each disciplinary action, he returned to show flashes of his former brilliance. He died in a single-vehicle accident in 2006, after which an autopsy identified the presence of methamphetamine in his system.
So, there was no EAP for Mr. Howe in those days, like there is today. The culture was changed from within, and the result is that today, when players have substance abuse issues or even domestic violence issues, they get help.
I don't see why the greater public (ie, the left and the sports media) doesn't embrace an EAP for the kinds of behavior that Gruden and others have shown, other than politics and money, but mostly money---which act as the usual barometer(s) for morality in pro sports.
Think Gruden would have been personally better off with emersion in a learning experience about his biases sponsored by his employers and the league or by the self-suspension?
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Would you?
Was Gruden dismissed?
HamilSam's thoughts here might be directed more at the so-called thought police so prevalent in today's USA. They pick and choose who to attack.
Life Wreckers United
I would have fired Gruden. He beat me to it by resigning.
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So if you were in charge of the Raiders you would have offered him sensitivity training?
What's with rewording my clearly written opinion?
I don't know what was offered to him, I just think that if the goal is to arrest the plague of disfunctional activities in the workplace, that the thinking has to be more about education than punishment.
From wikipedia: A hard-throwing left-hander, Howe was the Rookie of the Year in 1980, saved the clinching game of the 1981 World Series, and was an All-Star in 1982. However, his career was derailed by problems with alcohol and cocaine abuse. He was suspended seven times by Major League Baseball for drug-policy violations, and in 1992 he received a lifetime ban from baseball that he was able to overturn with an appeal. After each disciplinary action, he returned to show flashes of his former brilliance. He died in a single-vehicle accident in 2006, after which an autopsy identified the presence of methamphetamine in his system.
So, there was no EAP for Mr. Howe in those days, like there is today. The culture was changed from within, and the result is that today, when players have substance abuse issues or even domestic violence issues, they get help.
I don't see why the greater public (ie, the left and the sports media) doesn't embrace an EAP for the kinds of behavior that Gruden and others have shown, other than politics and money, but mostly money---which act as the usual barometer(s) for morality in pro sports.
Think Gruden would have been personally better off with emersion in a learning experience about his biases sponsored by his employers and the league or by the self-suspension?
Your clearly written opinion does not appear to answer my simple question as to what you would have done if you were the Raiders' boss.
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Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.
Who is defending him?
I'm just showing how the world has changed.
Maybe if you put aside your own biases, you could see that.
Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
What "biases" might those be?
Don't be coy.
I want to be a better person. Please tell me how my "biases" are preventing from me accepting that you were merely making a "times have changed" observation.
Or let me ask you a question. Do you think Gruden being removed from job (even if he did the removing) because of his comments was the correct thing to do?
It was the best thing for the employer to do.
What is popular isn't always right, and what is right isn't always popular.
So, yes, it was. the right thing do in that he was essentially rendered useless to the organization.
However, given that he was offered no employee assistance program to become, like you, a better person, maybe it wasn't so right.
If he had a drug and alcohol or gambling addiction problem, he wouldn't get fired, he'd get treatment for this malady.
So, given he has to learn to be a better person, in order to be considered moral enough to send people out on to a field to risk life, limb, and permanent injury for our entertainment, I believe an opportunity was missed by the organization to keep his skills in play for them, while helping him learn to be a better individual.
But that wasn't offered. Instead he was asked to walk the plank and he was fed to the holier-than-thou crowd AKA the sports media.
As usual, these are not either/or things, but in a world where wins and losses are all that matter, he lost, and the organization lost.
You can figure out who wins.
It is a really fine line between painting Gruden as a victim and defending him, Forrest. So fine that it does not exist. He was a victim of himself, not the sports media.
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does any morals clause include past transgression?
Would JG have been entitled to some type of buyout?
The Commish doesn't care what the clauses say. He has all power.
And if he was possibly but not obviously entitled to a buyout, trying to get it would have resulted in the circus he was seeking to avoid.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/13/sport/gruden-raiders-history-race-blake-cec/index.html
A piece about why Gruden's hiring and firing were ironic for the Raiders.
(I didn't know that about Plunkett!)
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So if you were in charge of the Raiders you would have offered him sensitivity training?
What's with rewording my clearly written opinion?
I don't know what was offered to him, I just think that if the goal is to arrest the plague of disfunctional activities in the workplace, that the thinking has to be more about education than punishment.
From wikipedia: A hard-throwing left-hander, Howe was the Rookie of the Year in 1980, saved the clinching game of the 1981 World Series, and was an All-Star in 1982. However, his career was derailed by problems with alcohol and cocaine abuse. He was suspended seven times by Major League Baseball for drug-policy violations, and in 1992 he received a lifetime ban from baseball that he was able to overturn with an appeal. After each disciplinary action, he returned to show flashes of his former brilliance. He died in a single-vehicle accident in 2006, after which an autopsy identified the presence of methamphetamine in his system.
So, there was no EAP for Mr. Howe in those days, like there is today. The culture was changed from within, and the result is that today, when players have substance abuse issues or even domestic violence issues, they get help.
I don't see why the greater public (ie, the left and the sports media) doesn't embrace an EAP for the kinds of behavior that Gruden and others have shown, other than politics and money, but mostly money---which act as the usual barometer(s) for morality in pro sports.
Think Gruden would have been personally better off with emersion in a learning experience about his biases sponsored by his employers and the league or by the self-suspension?
Your clearly written opinion does not appear to answer my simple question as to what you would have done if you were the Raiders' boss.
You haven't answered my question here, either.
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Interesting piece:
https://deadspin.com/bucs-remove-gruden-from-ring-of-honor-yet-leave-antoni-1847854274 (https://deadspin.com/bucs-remove-gruden-from-ring-of-honor-yet-leave-antoni-1847854274)
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I would respect the Bucs more if they went the other way
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I would respect the Bucs more if they went the other way
I think they're bi.
Just like Superman.
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I have learned the hard way: you are nothing in this world if you are not respected by Kid.
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I would respect the Bucs more if they went the other way
I think they're bi.
Just like Superman.
Just on paper
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You might call this guy a clown for some of his actions as Bucs coach
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McKay_(American_football)
Yep. In the Ring of Honor.
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Mac Jones more Wuerfel than Brady
https://nesn.com/2021/10/rex-ryan-rips-peashooter-mac-jones-compares-him-to-no-name-qb/
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Three card Monte with the NFL owners? Includes John Mara.
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article254990567.html (https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article254990567.html)
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Adam Schefter confirms he is an asshole.
https://sports.yahoo.com/espn-adam-schefter-step-too-far-emails-ex-wft-president-nfl-215632717.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/espn-adam-schefter-step-too-far-emails-ex-wft-president-nfl-215632717.html)
And the Daily Beast details the elastic ethics of Schefter, here:. https://www.thedailybeast.com/espn-reporter-adam-schefter-has-history-of-sketchy-unethical-behavior (https://www.thedailybeast.com/espn-reporter-adam-schefter-has-history-of-sketchy-unethical-behavior)
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Three card Monte with the NFL owners? Includes John Mara.
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article254990567.html (https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article254990567.html)
I wonder if those fines are enough to even get their attention. If I were the judge, I would likely announce a schedule of fines over the next X weeks/months with rapidly increasing figures, rather than leaving it until after their next failures to tell them, if the goal is to get the data sooner rather than later.
I am sure that the city is right that it cost them millions in revenue. I think is almost certainly true that the league ignored its own system for evaluating the moves a team might make.
I'm not sure that any of that entitles the city to any money from the NFL or from those individuals. And if I were to guess, I would say that the exact same two conditions (cost millions, ignored system) applied to how St. Louis got the Rams to begin with.
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Three card Monte with the NFL owners? Includes John Mara.
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article254990567.html (https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article254990567.html)
I wonder if those fines are enough to even get their attention. If I were the judge, I would likely announce a schedule of fines over the next X weeks/months with rapidly increasing figures, rather than leaving it until after their next failures to tell them, if the goal is to get the data sooner rather than later.
I am sure that the city is right that it cost them millions in revenue. I think is almost certainly true that the league ignored its own system for evaluating the moves a team might make.
I'm not sure that any of that entitles the city to any money from the NFL or from those individuals. And if I were to guess, I would say that the exact same two conditions (cost millions, ignored system) applied to how St. Louis got the Rams to begin with.
The NFL does what it wants.
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Adam Schefter confirms he is an asshole.
https://sports.yahoo.com/espn-adam-schefter-step-too-far-emails-ex-wft-president-nfl-215632717.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/espn-adam-schefter-step-too-far-emails-ex-wft-president-nfl-215632717.html)
And the Daily Beast details the elastic ethics of Schefter, here:. https://www.thedailybeast.com/espn-reporter-adam-schefter-has-history-of-sketchy-unethical-behavior (https://www.thedailybeast.com/espn-reporter-adam-schefter-has-history-of-sketchy-unethical-behavior)
Did the email to "Mr. Editor" include an original of the subsequently published story that would allow folks to see how or if it changed? Even if it didn't, that doesn't make the apparent offer to allow Allen to dictate changes right, but it might change how I saw things, especially if there had been a note back from Allen that suggested changes that were then not made!
I would guess that at least the return email from Allen exists, if not the original version of the story. It would be interesting to see.
I don't have an ethical problem with AS' allowing folks to pay him $3k for the right to sit next to him during a game, if he can get it.
The rest of it is beyond sketchy.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10014773-brett-favre-asked-to-repay-828k-in-welfare-money-illegally-received-and-spent
Speaking of sketchy.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10014773-brett-favre-asked-to-repay-828k-in-welfare-money-illegally-received-and-spent
Speaking of sketchy.
The article or Favre?
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Thu. 10/14 8:20 pm. Bucs -7 at Philly. 52. Bucs 34-24
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Kid why did you delete your post about " how easy it was to pick the over"?
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Anyone see the refs blocking for TB12, last night?
Guess they're no longer concerned about displaying their overt favoritism.
Heh
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Hmm
Ertz to Cardinals
Can he play this week?
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Hmm
Ertz to Cardinals
Can he play this week?
No.
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Gotta give it to the guy, he's always ready to suit up and play and he's always Ertz.
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Kid why did you delete your post about " how easy it was to pick the over"?
More unwillingness to explain anything.
Probably because he's an embarrassment to himself.
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Sunday, Oct. 17, 9:30 AM Dolphins -3.5 Jax 45.5 Miami, 24-20
Sunday, Oct. 17, 1:00 PM Indy -10 Texans 42.5
Sunday, Oct. 17, 1:00 PM Packers -4.5 Chic 45
Sunday, Oct. 17, 1:00 PM Chiefs -6.5 Wash 55.5
Sunday, Oct. 17, 1:00 PM Carolina -1 Vikes 46
Sunday, Oct. 17, 1:00 PM Balt -3 Chargers 50.5
Sunday, Oct. 17, 1:00 PM Bengals -3 Detroit 48
Sunday, Oct. 17, 1:00 PM Rams -10.5 NYG 47
Sunday, Oct. 17, 4:05 PM Cleve -2.5 Cards 50
Sunday, Oct. 17, 4:25 PM Denver -3 Raiders 44.5
Sunday, Oct. 17, 4:25 PM Cowboys -4.5 NE 49.5
Sunday, Oct. 17, 8:20 PM Pitt -5 Seahawks 42.5
Monday, Oct. 18, 8:15 PM Bills -5.5 TN 54
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KO Pool
wk 1 SF
wk 2 CLV
Week 3 Denver
KO Pool
Week 4 Buffalo
Week 5 Minn.
Week 6 Indy
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I took the Phins -3 1/2 in my pool.
lost on TB on Thursday.
Like kid I thought that was a gimme at 28-7
funny game
nose barely above water
Phins do ok under water
I don't
swim Flipper, swim
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Yeah, that was rough (TB "collapse" to loss v spread)
Just my second miscue here.
(5-2)
I will likely pick the Sunday and Monday nighters this week. Feel pretty good about Pittsburgh and Buffalo
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Your Indy game -
Not sure why but experts are telling me to not play Wentz in fantasy (going with Heineke in my junior league).
Low score? May not be to your benefit - but 10 point (expected) cushion helps
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May as well post the matchup between Kid and Whisk - for first place today in Iron Man
Whisk has
J Hurts - 27
Diggs
K Allen
A Jones
Jacobs
Andrews (TE)
C Lamb (flex)
T Bass (K)
LA Rams D
Kid has -
L Jackson (over Rodgers)
T Hill
Claypool (bench McLaurin)
N Harris
Hunt
D Schultz (TE)
M Brown (flex)
Carlson (K)
Dallas D
With 3 points loss on McLaurin benching the computer says 143-140 in favor of Priest.
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Yeah, that was rough (TB "collapse" to loss v spread)
Just my second miscue here.
(5-2)
I will likely pick the Sunday and Monday nighters this week. Feel pretty good about Pittsburgh and Buffalo
That backdoor slammed a lot of fingers counting money in the 3rd qtr.
rookie mistakes
LMAO
I've no idea what your 5-2 refers to, but by most accounting standards based on fact, you were 0-2 on Thursday.
Re Indy- this was a tough KO week, and Indy was mostly a pick on Houston losing.
Almost went with GB, KC or LAR
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Tua is NOT surviving this game. WOW!
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I've no idea what your 5-2 refers to, but by most accounting standards based on fact, you were 0-2 on Thursday.
shhhh......
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Funniest rating this week is BEN ROETHLISBERGER at #19 QB vs Seahawks
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Funniest rating this week is BEN ROETHLISBERGER at #19 QB vs Seahawks
funniest post this week is
Just my second miscue here.
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Mr Khan not looking happy with Urban Myer as they pass on FG that would put Jags up 7.
Now Fins back on the move
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Tua is NOT surviving this game. WOW!
He may not survive, but his team seems to be ahead atm.
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Funniest rating this week is BEN ROETHLISBERGER at #19 QB vs Seahawks
funniest post this week is
Just my second miscue here.
First spread loss was Seattle-Rams
Lets see if we can get a FG here for the Miami cover
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Miami coach Flores thinking.....maybe I should go for this.
Maybe he should have.
Credit T Lawrence. And Meyer for putting confidence in kicker.
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Flores icing his QB. Run run run again.
Lets go - Tua to Waddle for third score is MONEY.
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This guy cant fuckin coach
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URBAN LEGEND!
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Daniel Jones drives me nervous.
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Field Marshall Fumble.
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Daniel Jones drives me nervous.
Danny Drops.
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Bum.
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heh
Not such a good half for NYG...
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Losing 5 more games as things stand - rough week
(edit - KC takes lead - may yet get that one at -6.5. Go, Tyreek)
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Actually played Darrel Williams over Elliott in my junior league. 67 total yards and a TD.
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4th and 8 at midfield down 2 scores to KC - 10 minutes left
Coach: "Punt it"
Heh
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Damn. Nearly got the Carolina impossible comeback.
Darnold goes 98 yards and gets the 6 + 2 to tie
Defense was just spent. Good job by Cousins with the OT TD.
Turned the KC game at least ....
hedging on Steelers tonight - think I will stay away.
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Just bet then delete if it does not work out.
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Just bet then delete if it does not work out.
its the kid carter parlay!
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that was a weirdly entertaining first half where it felt the Pats should be down 3 scores, but they're leading.
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Just bet then delete if it does not work out.
Maybe you have....
not here
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went for the reverse Gruden play and its biting me in the ass
Broncos are a bunch of gay negro jew cocksuckers!
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Pats are facing too much talent. Coaching can only cover up so much.
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Just bet then delete if it does not work out.
Maybe you have....
not here
I have made clear: I do not bet. That way I do not have to lie when I lose one.
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Belli claims another coaching victim
Wow.
Nice job by Pats D - and a key holding call, My God.
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C'mon, Mac - get er done.....
edit - DOH!
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Still..............
C'mon, Mac, get er done....
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ROOKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2 great throws by Prescott save his teammates' bacon (for now)
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Great QB
And a valiant newbie
Good game
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that was a fun game
but damn
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I guess grabbing a receivers face mask isn't a penalty in OT
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May as well post the matchup between Kid and Whisk - for first place today in Iron Man
Whisk has
J Hurts - 27
Diggs
K Allen
A Jones
Jacobs
Andrews (TE)
C Lamb (flex)
T Bass (K)
LA Rams D
Kid has -
L Jackson (over Rodgers)
T Hill
Claypool (bench McLaurin)
N Harris
Hunt
D Schultz (TE)
M Brown (flex)
Carlson (K)
Dallas D
With 3 points loss on McLaurin benching the computer says 143-140 in favor of Priest.
SMOKED
Good show, Whisk.
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I got more points from Jackson throwing to Andrews than Jackson got throwing to everyone.
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May as well post the matchup between Kid and Whisk - for first place today in Iron Man
Whisk has
J Hurts - 27
Diggs
K Allen
A Jones
Jacobs
Andrews (TE)
C Lamb (flex)
T Bass (K)
LA Rams D
Kid has -
L Jackson (over Rodgers)
T Hill
Claypool (bench McLaurin)
N Harris
Hunt
D Schultz (TE)
M Brown (flex)
Carlson (K)
Dallas D
With 3 points loss on McLaurin benching the computer says 143-140 in favor of Priest.
SMOKED
Good show, Whisk.
Well the computer shows a 1% chance that between them Diggs and Bass will score - 22 points. "So you're saying there's a chance..."
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2949484-steelers-keep-winning-but-pittsburgh-has-a-ben-roethlisberger-problem
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Oooooooo...
Killer hit piece.
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Thursday, Oct. 21, 8:20 PM Cleve -3.5 Broncos 42.5 Broncos 20-17
Sunday, Oct. 24, 1:00 PM Balt -6 Bengals 47.5
Sunday, Oct. 24, 1:00 PM Panthers -3 NYG 43
Sunday, Oct. 24, 1:00 PM GB -9.5 WFT 49
Sunday, Oct. 24, 1:00 PM Chiefs -5.5 TN 56.5
Sunday, Oct. 24, 1:00 PM Falcons -2.5 Miami 47.5
Sunday, Oct. 24, 1:00 PM NE -7 Jets 42.5
Sunday, Oct. 24, 4:05 PM LAR -15 Lions 50
Sunday, Oct. 24, 4:05 PM LV -3 Eagles 49
Sunday, Oct. 24, 4:25 PM TB -12.5 Bears 47
Sunday, Oct. 24, 4:25 PM AZ -18.5 Texans 47.5
Sunday, Oct. 24, 8:20 PM SF -3.5 Colts 44
Monday, Oct. 25, 8:15 PM Saints -5 Seattle 43.5
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Was choosing between Darnold and Mac Jones this week in fantasy - secondary league. Not real competitive so pick may not matter much. Replacing Heineke (Russel W on IR). Winston, Wentz, Goff also available
Good job by Whisk to grab D Johnson for last night - guy was a beast.
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Was choosing between Darnold and Mac Jones this week in fantasy - secondary league. Not real competitive so pick may not matter much. Replacing Heineke (Russel W on IR). Winston, Wentz, Goff also available
Good job by Whisk to grab D Johnson for last night - guy was a beast.
He has given them quality carries every time they have needed him in the past. Supposedly he went undrafted because he ran a 4.8 on his pro day.
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KO Pool
wk 1 SF
wk 2 CLV
Week 3 Denver
KO Pool
Week 4 Buffalo
Week 5 Minn.
Week 6 Indy
Week 7 narrowed it down to Cards or Pats, leaning Cards, but there may be no better week to use the Pats, got some new found free time so I may do some next level coin flipping this week.
1 game under in my ATS pool, but that puts me in 3rd place, 1 game behind the 2-co-leaders @ 47-46
EDIT KO POOL WEEK 7 Arizona
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Went with Patriots D this week for what that's worth. Good luck.
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Went with Patriots D this week for what that's worth. Good luck.
I imagine that BB went nuts this week on his D and his coaches after their no-show poor effort against the Cowboys last week.
I've no idea whether they provide value or not in fantasy football, but I expect a far better effort against the Jets.
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I've no idea whether they provide value or not in fantasy football
Sure you do
Looks like we agree on the play. I am sure you will bet Pats this week. I am expecting 2 turnovers 3 sacks minimum and maybe a defensive score
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I've no idea whether they provide value or not in fantasy football
Sure you do
Looks like we agree on the play. I am sure you will bet Pats this week. I am expecting 2 turnovers 3 sacks minimum and maybe a defensive score
Your mind-reading sucks.
I've already pointed this out.
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Shit - if they lose and go 2-5?
My God...
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I've no idea whether they provide value or not in fantasy football
Sure you do
Looks like we agree on the play. I am sure you will bet Pats this week. I am expecting 2 turnovers 3 sacks minimum and maybe a defensive score
I've never played fantasy football and have no idea what the value, absolute or relative, the Pats D renders to you.
its not how I approach the analysis of a football game.
Last week on an absolute basis, the Pats D was terrible against the Cowboys. They presented no value as far as real football was concerned.
This week you seem excited about them.
My hope is that they play a lot better against a far less talented Jets offense, after what was likely an intense week of practice and brow beating by BB and staff.
But what you had to pay for them is unknown to me, or if they were cheap (ie relative value) which allowed you to pick a better QB or running back or whatever calculations you have to make in putting together a fantasy team.
btw, I would also expect better special team play, as so far this year, it has been horrendous.
And as you know I tend not to bet against the Pats as I like rooting for them.
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No cost for New England
Dallas is on a bye
Also could have selected Tampa Carolina New Orleans or a few others
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No cost for New England
Dallas is on a bye
Also could have selected Tampa Carolina New Orleans or a few others
There is opportunity cost.
As you remain as tight lipped as to your reasoning I can only guess why you prefer the Pats D to some of the other/better Ds you could have picked.
If I was playing fantasy football and looking for relative value in DEFENSE I would also look at the opponent's offense and in this case we have some history to guide us.
Wilson had a miserable game against the Pats first time around, being picked 3 or 4 times. Whether he learned from that experience or will be victimized again is a guess. But I expect a motivated and angry Pats D will not make it easy for the Jets or Wilson today.
So far this year the Pats tend to play to their opponents level, which is a mark of a poorly coached team. They lost tough games to two of the better teams in the NFC, (Bucs, Boys) games that could have been won, with slightly better play, or more aggressive coaching/risk taking.
Again on the assumption of a motivated and angry team and a team winless at home, the Pats play a better game today against a weak Jets team.
The Jets are also facing a rookie QB and an evolving offense, so the uncertainty of performance should be high. But Bama Mac has shown a temperament and a skill set that seems to indicate he might be a pretty good pro QB, game manager variety (now)
I expect a low scoring defensive-oriented type game with the Pats winning a two-score type game.
Pats 24
Jets 10
Good luck
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Jets seem to think this is the bye week.
They better perk up or there will be some searing hot takes by Boomer and Carton and Evan to deal with!
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What's happening in that Titans/Chiefs game!!
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I asked a similar question at a similar time in the Pats game thread.
Didn't get an answer.
It seems the Chiefs did not remember the Titans game plan.
I had Tenn at +5.5, but didn't figure this, also didn't figure the Bengals would kick the stuffing out of the Ravens.
Speaking of game plan, Josh went to a heavy dose of early trickeration against the hapless and increasingly hopeless Jets.
The Bama Bomba had a good game
But it was the Jets.
Ugly game for them.
Got Tampa Tom for the 2nd game.
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TB12 throws for a 600th TD
amazing.
IMO he not stopping until he passes Bonds 762
Gretsky's 894 may be unobtainable
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TB12 throws for a 600th TD
amazing.
He's just a system quarterback. (Nobody else can use the same system as well, though.)
It's because the rules changes protect him so much (even if they don't protect others as well).
Modern times. More opportunity. The refs protect him more. TB must be cheating now, or he would not do as well.
(The sounds of the world's saddest song being played on the world's smallest violin can be heard as the Brady haters and dismissers are raised in objection to Brady's accomplishments.)
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NFL's "What we learned" section today had an amusement!
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Congrats to Tom.
Not really a great day for him though
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Congrats to Tom.
Not really a great day for him though
From a fantasy perspective?
He won.
He threw 4 TD no pics
He was up 35-3 at the half.
He became the only QB to ever throw for 600 TDs.
His wife and kids got to see him do it.
Sounds like a day most pro QBs would like to have.
Curious-what QB had the best fantasy stats today?
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Three way tie in our league - Tua, Stafford, Burrow
Brady was 4th. Then Rodgers. Then Murray.
TD passes under ten yards should be 2 points less, I believe.
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Congrats to Tom.
Not really a great day for him though
Only finished 4th for fantasy, when out for so much of the 2nd half. Only threw four touchdowns in the first half.
Yeah, "not really a great day for him."
You should have such not really great days, at any age.
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Missed 16 throws
Didnt hit much down field, thus low YPA
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Missed 16 throws
Didnt hit much down field, thus low YPA
He also gave a young child with cancer a memory that hopefully that fan will tell his children about.
Brady had a good day.
You still riding Danny Dimes to fantasy glory?
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Nah...
But I probably could be.
Good idea though - maybe I will slot Jones into my Russ Wilson-Heineke-Darnold league.
You should be killing me for taking Sam over Mac in my junior league yesterday (fortunately still won my game)
Good job with Cards - go for that cash, yo! Hope our not having confidence in Mac vs (cough) Jets doesnt come back to bite you.
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Kid
I just remembered your post about riding Danny Dimes
I don't follow fantasy #s, curious how did the Pats D rank yesterday?
They played mad and motivated as I thought they might.
Was surprised though at how bad/unprepared Jets D was.
Mac and Josh McD took advantage.
as for the KO pool, as of Friday about 1/2 the pool was gone.
I'll get the results tomorrow.
Ravens may have KOed some.
Didn't see that blow out coming.
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Brady resurgence
Checked out the NFL passer ratings
Tom was 4th, 2nd, 3rd in league with Patriots from 2015-2017
Fell in 2018-19 to 12th, then 18th - could be Pats looked a bit at analytics when making the change
Last 2 years with Bucs see Tom at #9 - and now the current #6 in NFL.
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I don't follow fantasy #s, curious how did the Pats D rank yesterday?
Below Tampa, for sure. Heh.
Well, I was looking for what - 3 sacks and 2 turnovers?
Got 2 and 3, respectively - and a low points against - just no defensive score
They outscored their projection - which is the key to the game - making such a pick.
Tampa
Tennessee
Giants
Green Bay
New England fifth
AZ
Indy
Interesting - the top 4 are currently unowned defenses. So the top FIVE from this week were available for any team to grab.
note: New O and SEA still to play
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I just remembered your post about riding Danny Dimes
Jones is six notches below M Jones in passer rating
EQUAL in yards per attempt, at 7.2 (Herbert as well, 19th in league)
https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-stats/passing/2021/regular-season?sort=passypa
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Fell in 2018-19 to 12th, then 18th - could be Pats looked a bit at analytics when making the change
I think they looked at his drivers license and DOB.
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I just remembered your post about riding Danny Dimes
Jones is six notches below M Jones in passer rating
EQUAL in yards per attempt, at 7.2 (Herbert as well, 19th in league)
https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-stats/passing/2021/regular-season?sort=passypa
I saw some #s earlier today ranking the highly touted rookie QBs by several stats and Mac thus far is ranked the highest.
Its still early, but so far and considering his modest No-line, he has performed pretty well on a very steep learning curve.
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Anyway - re: D Jones
I still have little doubt he is the franchise guy for NYG.
Didnt see the game yesterday, cant comment on current form
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Tampa has an incredibly EASY schedule.
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I just remembered your post about riding Danny Dimes
Jones is six notches below M Jones in passer rating
EQUAL in yards per attempt, at 7.2 (Herbert as well, 19th in league)
https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-stats/passing/2021/regular-season?sort=passypa
I saw some #s earlier today ranking the highly touted rookie QBs by several stats and Mac thus far is ranked the highest.
Its still early, but so far and considering his modest No-line, he has performed pretty well on a very steep learning curve.
Yeah - Fields is BURIED. (addendum: Zack Wilson as well) Lawrence still has a chance to recoup a season, statistically. Funny though - he is not far off from where Burrow was last year.
I like Lawerence. Havent seen enough of Fields.
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I just took a quick look at the schedule and the Clemson kid has back to back late season games @ Jets and @ Pats.
But he's got a string of games coming up against some decent Ds that may test him.
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Pitchers duel tonight, with the Saints winning in the top of the 9th.
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Joe Flacco is back with the J-E-T-S.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2021/10/25/joe-flacco-trade-new-york-jets-philadelphia-eagles/8545047002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2021/10/25/joe-flacco-trade-new-york-jets-philadelphia-eagles/8545047002/)
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Good trade.
Newton was the better move. Not sure if he'd have signed.
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Good trade.
Newton was the better move. Not sure if he'd have signed.
You should just propose to him, already.
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Morning ESPN guys figuring Newton to Steelers on a 2 year deal would be wise - as a takeover for a year guy for Ben. Figuring cost would be a good value - citing Case Keenum and Browns at 6 mil per - and how good that is looking.
Not keeping Baker becoming a possibility - goes the reasoning - as money can be kept to pay other key guys whose deals are up.
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Good trade.
Newton was the better move. Not sure if he'd have signed.
You should just propose to him, already.
Surprised you're not upset they didn't go get Kaepernick.
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Good trade.
Newton was the better move. Not sure if he'd have signed.
You should just propose to him, already.
Surprised you're not upset they didn't go get Kaepernick.
Nah - they know now that cat didnt really want to play
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Flacco back with the Jets. The greatest of all time!! Let the winning begin😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Morning ESPN guys figuring Newton to Steelers on a 2 year deal would be wise - as a takeover for a year guy for Ben. Figuring cost would be a good value - citing Case Keenum and Browns at 6 mil per - and how good that is looking.
Not keeping Baker becoming a possibility - goes the reasoning - as money can be kept to pay other key guys whose deals are up.
That is fucking stupid. Keenum is being paid 6 mil for exactly the opposite reason. The Browns are spending more money on the QB position because analytics views it as vital to the team success to have a quality backup because if you do not that one injury alone.can sink your team. Keenum is being paid to do precisely what he did Thursday: provide acceptable play for a few games when the starter goes down. They do not view him as anything more. Did whatever idiot said that watch the game Thursday? The Browns won on running the ball and short passing. How long do you think that is going to be winning in the NFL? How long before the inability to take the top off pushes the safeties up and smothers both the running game and the short game?
The Browns may well wind up moving on from Baker, but not now and sure the Hell not for Keenum.
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Good trade.
Newton was the better move. Not sure if he'd have signed.
You should just propose to him, already.
Surprised you're not upset they didn't go get Kaepernick.
If he can still play even as well as Cam, I would be surprised.
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Morning ESPN guys figuring Newton to Steelers on a 2 year deal would be wise - as a takeover for a year guy for Ben. Figuring cost would be a good value - citing Case Keenum and Browns at 6 mil per - and how good that is looking.
Not keeping Baker becoming a possibility - goes the reasoning - as money can be kept to pay other key guys whose deals are up.
That is fucking stupid. Keenum is being paid 6 mil for exactly the opposite reason. The Browns are spending more money on the QB position because analytics views it as vital to the team success to have a quality backup because if you do not that one injury alone.can sink your team. Keenum is being paid to do precisely what he did Thursday: provide acceptable play for a few games when the starter goes down. They do not view him as anything more. Did whatever idiot said that watch the game Thursday? The Browns won on running the ball and short passing. How long do you think that is going to be winning in the NFL? How long before the inability to take the top off pushes the safeties up and smothers both the running game and the short game?
The Browns may well wind up moving on from Baker, but not now and sure the Hell not for Keenum.
Their opinion is that a game manager like Keenum - given the rest of their roster - with re-signs that would not be possible if Baker stays - can win - yes.
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The 13-3 Vikings of 2017 went away from Keenum (11-3 as a starter) and have been rewarded by the big money Kirk Cousins, who has gone 28-24 since then.
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The 13-3 Vikings of 2017 went away from Keenum (11-3 as a starter) and have been rewarded by the big money Kirk Cousins, who has gone 28-24 since then.
How.dix Keenum do the next year? How about Nick Foles after the Super Bowl? Back ups, even quality backups, are backups for a reason. Before you commit your team to one you better make damn sure you know what that reason is. The Browns have a ton of experience with inadequate QBs, and elevated back ups.
A running game does not work if the defense does not respect the deep ball. Mayfield may not be the answer, but the answer is not "get cheap on the QB position." When is the last time a team won a Super Bowl with a budget game manager QB playing the majority of the year? The 2000 Ravens? Give me that defense and, yeah, maybe.
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We will never know how a 2018 Keenum would have fared with Vikings
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Keenum threw 33 times Sunday - for 7 yards per attempt
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The defenders of the move away from Keenum state how he couldnt beat a Philly team that Brady ended up dicing
Well, sure - OK....
And that he is an inch or 2 shorter than Cousins.
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Week 8
Thursday, Oct. 28, 8:20 PM AZ -6 Packers 51 Arizona 31-24
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM Buffalo -13.5 Dolphins 48
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM Atlanta -2.5 Panthers 46
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM Eagles -3 Detroit 48.5
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM Titans -1 Indy 49
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM Rams -14.5 Houston 48
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM Bengals -10 NYJ 43
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM Cleveland -3.5 Steelers 42.5
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM 49ers -3 Chicago 39.5
Sunday, Oct. 31, 4:05 PM Seattle -3 Jags 43.5
Sunday, Oct. 31, 4:05 PM LAC -5.5 Pats 48
Sunday, Oct. 31, 4:25 PM Denver -3 WFT 43.5
Sunday, Oct. 31, 4:25 PM Bucs -5 NO 50
Sunday, Oct. 31, 8:20 PM Cowboys -2.5 MN 55
Monday, Nov. 1, 8:15 PM KC -10 Giants 52.5
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KO Pool
wk 1 SF
wk 2 CLV
Week 3 Denver
KO Pool
Week 4 Buffalo
Week 5 Minn.
Week 6 Indy
Week 7 narrowed it down to Cards or Pats, leaning Cards, but there may be no better week to use the Pats, got some new found free time so I may do some next level coin flipping this week.
1 game under in my ATS pool, but that puts me in 3rd place, 1 game behind the 2-co-leaders @ 47-46
EDIT KO POOL WEEK 7 Arizona
week 8-Cincy or LA Rams leaning Cincy
WEEK 8- Cinn
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Jets and their newbie QB putting up a good fight.
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KO Pool
wk 1 SF
wk 2 CLV
Week 3 Denver
KO Pool
Week 4 Buffalo
Week 5 Minn.
Week 6 Indy
Week 7 narrowed it down to Cards or Pats, leaning Cards, but there may be no better week to use the Pats, got some new found free time so I may do some next level coin flipping this week.
1 game under in my ATS pool, but that puts me in 3rd place, 1 game behind the 2-co-leaders @ 47-46
EDIT KO POOL WEEK 7 Arizona
week 8-Cincy or LA Rams leaning Cincy
WEEK 8- Cinn
I chose poorly.
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How do you lose to the Jets
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How do you lose to the Jets
One play at a time.
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Beautiful day in Pittsburgh
Colts Bengals Browns lose, as will LAC or NE. Possibly even KC tomorrow
Hooooot!
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Nice win, Pats.
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So, how do you play this if you are Sean Payton? 1st and goal at the TB 10. 2 minute warning. Down 1 point. Brady waiting to take the ball if you score.
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How do you lose to the Jets
I couldn't come up with an answer either.
then it came to me.
don't tug on Superman's cape
don't spit into the wind
don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
But take the JETS on Halloween
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good win for the Pats in LA
they're coming along
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Sad, sad case continues...
https://nypost.com/2021/10/31/colin-kaepernick-compares-nfl-tactics-to-slavery-in-netflix-special/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=facebook&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&fbclid=IwAR32GNynDOM0clWqynAYuGFlXbV1OZI2do4avVmqb1me73tDyIz4XJ8qN8o
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When are you leaving for SOSH?
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/sport/calvin-ridley-mental-wellbeing-atlanta-falcons-spt-intl/index.html
Time for Ham to mock Calvin Ridley.
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Big game for the G-men and Danny Dimes tonight against the wounded and surprisingly vulnerable Chiefs in Arrowhead.
No night off from the chop.
But who will be doing the chopping the G-Men's D or rabid Chief fans?
chiefs are -10 and I got them as covering.
(still treading slightly underwater in my ATS pool, but luckily I'm standing on the shoulders of others and in the #2 spot)
I got time to switch so convince me Sons of Sam Huff, should I?
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Absolutely
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kid presents a compelling and thorough analysis per usual.
But I think I'm going to stay put despite kid's detailed game break down.
No lie, I've changed 4 picks in the past few weeks just before the kick and I've gone 0-4.
So I feel snake bit.
Chiefs need to win or might inexplicably miss the post-season.
And they have to be slightly motivated after last weeks no show against Tenn.
line KC -10, o/u 52.5
Chiefs 38
G-Men 20
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Downnnn goes Bianca BelAir!
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Chiefs might win this game, but they are a fucking disaster
They've left about 17 pts on the field.
Lets see how they fuck this up
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https://thespun.com/nfl/look-cam-newton-ex-teammate-sends-blunt-message
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https://thespun.com/nfl/look-cam-newton-ex-teammate-sends-blunt-message
"Proven ballers are at home because of politics."
Funny, others have uttered that sentiment here before.
I don't know if politics is why Cam is not playing, but there are QBs out there who are not as good as Cam, and I don't think Cam is very good.
But what I really love about the article is Boston supporting Newton.
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New info being that Cam is not vaccinated - so takes that away as a possible reason
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Reminds me...
Hearing Rui Hachimura (that's a BASKETBALL player, Barton) is in town, in the arena, "working out on his own". just not playing games - for what they are calling a PERSONAL matter
Could it be RUI is not willing to play alongside the unvaccinated Brad Beal?
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Kapernick eulogy, by Whitlock (first fifteen minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKYcoB75UHo
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Holy Rashad McCants (if you continue to watch the entire podcast)
"These guys don't wanna be MEN, They wanna impress FEMALES (by going to hair salon, nail salon...) so that the female can feel that they have another FEMALE. C'mon, guys - you gonna be men, BE men. Don't be little BITCHES."
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Chiefs might win this game, and they are not more than a couple tweaks away from being back to prominence
Fixed
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https://nypost.com/2021/10/31/colin-kaepernick-compares-nfl-tactics-to-slavery-in-netflix-special/
LOL
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https://www.foxnews.com/sports/packers-aaron-rodgers-unvaccinated-positive-covid-19-chiefs
Chiefs just got lucky.
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Packers will have egg on their face if LOVE doesnt look at least half decent.
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Packers will have egg on their face if LOVE doesnt look at least half decent.
Aaron's a dope.
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Aaron Rodgers is a lying, deceitful dope.
https://sports.yahoo.com/opinion-aaron-rodgers-covid-lied-210942065.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/opinion-aaron-rodgers-covid-lied-210942065.html)
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So, "others" thought Rodgers was vaccinated - even though he never said he was?
I don't think so.
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So, "others" thought Rodgers was vaccinated - even though he never said he was?
I don't think so.
He said he was immunized. That is misleading at best, and lying to most people.
Fuck him.
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Only a fool would have thought he was vaccinated
Were you in that company?
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Only a fool would have thought he was vaccinated
Were you in that company?
He was asked DIRECTLY if he was vacxed. He said he was immunized.
He was t.
He fucked up.
Hi can stop trying to and others for his deceit.
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Week 9
Thursday, Nov. 4, 8:20 PM Indy -10.5 Jets 46.5
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM Miami -6.5 Texans 46
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM Dallas -10 Broncos 49.5
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM Balt -5.5 Vikes 49.5
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM Pats -4 Carolina 41.5
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM Bills -14.5 Jax 49
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM Cincy -3 Browns 45.5
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM Raiders -3 NYG 46.5
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM NO -6 Falcons 42.5
Sunday, Nov. 7, 4:05 PM Chargers -3 Phil 50
Sunday, Nov. 7, 4:25 PM Packers -1 KC 54.5
Sunday, Nov. 7, 4:25 PM Cards -2.5 SF 46
Sunday, Nov. 7, 8:20 PM LAR -7.5 Titans 53.5
Monday, Nov. 8, 8:15 PM Pitt -6.5 Bears 40
Had 38-24 Colts tonight but I wont take credit for it
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It looked like the back door was going to slam my and a lot of fingers.
My fingers needed a break.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/sport/aaron-rodgers-packers/index.html
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/sport/aaron-rodgers-packers/index.html
"disappointed with the treatment he's been receiving in the media"
Oh, poor baby.
Not much of a team player, after all.
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Speaking of cancers.....OBJ
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/sport/aaron-rodgers-packers/index.html
"disappointed with the treatment he's been receiving in the media"
Oh, poor baby.
Not much of a team player, after all.
Packers players love Rodgers
He is a FUCK YOU kind of guy but not to his mates
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/sport/aaron-rodgers-packers/index.html
"disappointed with the treatment he's been receiving in the media"
Oh, poor baby.
Not much of a team player, after all.
Media doesnt play
No way to exact revenge
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/sport/aaron-rodgers-packers/index.html
"disappointed with the treatment he's been receiving in the media"
Oh, poor baby.
Not much of a team player, after all.
Packers players love Rodgers
He is a FUCK YOU kind of guy but not to his mates
He sure fucked them for the game with KC, Kid.
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Right
But he doesnt agree with the NFL stance - and is taking a stand himself.
The game could mean home field, I guess. We shall see.
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Right
But he doesnt agree with the NFL stance - and is taking a stand himself.
The game could mean home field, I guess. We shall see.
"taking a stand himself"
Yes, that is my point.
He put himself ahead of the team.
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Late in high school an athlete turns to advocating for himself.
And can still be a great teammate.
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Late in high school an athlete turns to advocating for himself.
And can still be a great teammate.
I am sure he greatly appreciates your sticking up for him. Pretty funny listening to you defend him after you savaged Kaepernick for his actions, among other athletes.
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Right
But he doesnt agree with the NFL stance - and is taking a stand himself.
So his career should follow the path of Colin Kaepernick's?
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Is Aaron Rodgers taking advice directly from Joe Rogan or is he listening to Rogan comments from before this?
https://www.axios.com/joe-rogan-walks-back-anti-vaccination-spotify-4ab56dcf-b60e-41c6-9c49-fe7f22be7d04.html
As Rogan noted, "I'm a fucking moron."
Why would somebody take medical advice from Joe Rogan?!
And why would anybody then think that following that advice was taking a principled stand?!
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Joe Rogan appears to be a triumph of Capitalism. Not bright, not talented but a loud mouth and a flair for self hyphen promotion has led to millions and actual influence. Well done Joe. Well done.
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"I did not lie about my status. I am allergic to an ingredient in the 2 vaccines. I had treatment to raise my immunity. I made a decision that was in the best interest of my body"
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"I did not lie about my status. I am allergic to an ingredient in the 2 vaccines. I had treatment to raise my immunity. I made a decision that was in the best interest of my body"
It's bullshit, Kid.
There are more than two vaccines, in case you missed the announcement.
The allergies to the two mRNA vaccines are extremely rare and are both mild and easily treated.
He made a decision that, if it proves non-injurious, is purely luck.
As soon as he explained he was following Joe Rogan's advice he lost all credibility on this, Kid, and I don't know why you are defending him.
Spin, spin, spin.
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Prevea Health doesn't think Rodgers' act is good for them.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/06/business/aaron-rodgers-prevea-health-covid-vaccine/index.html
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As soon as he explained he was following Joe Rogan's advice he lost all credibility on this, Kid, and I don't know why you are defending him.
Careful now - get the facts
Rodgers was following advice from his doctor
He is following Rogan AFTER he got the COVID
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Careful now. Get the facts.
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As soon as he explained he was following Joe Rogan's advice he lost all credibility on this, Kid, and I don't know why you are defending him.
Careful now - get the facts
Rodgers was following advice from his doctor
He is following Rogan AFTER he got the COVID
Okay.
You, too.
Rodgers said he was following advice from his doctor.
And why you think following Rogan's advice after getting the virus is a reason to trust him now is still bizarre.
There are doctors giving bad advice about COVID, but not all that many of them.
And if he had been direct when he dodged with his "immunized" comment, he might have avoided this. And had he told the HEALTH company he's been paid to represent, they might have appreciated the heads up.
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Upsets today (other than obvious Chiefs whoa re now a 7 point favorite)
Giants
Eagles
Niners
to win game - all home and short dogs.
ENJOY.
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How do you lose to the Jaguars!!!!! Though the Bills did get 3 more points than in their WC game against Jacksonville a few years back
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Pats played a good game, and pretty much dominated Carolina.
They're becoming the D-oriented/decent running game team I had hoped for.
I thought Mac was so-so, but his running game was pretty pretty pretty good.
Darnold still sees ghosts.
I had the several dogs including the Jags (+14.5) but didn't think they were going to win.
Got whacked on Dallas and Cincy (serves me right) but this might shape up into an ok day.
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What an amazingly messy game this GB/KC contest this is.
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Pack defense showed up big time
Good to see the kid with points on the board
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Guessing Bank needs a KC score now
heh
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The yahoo line was locked on Thurs at KC -1.
I was good.
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Guessing Bank needs a KC score now
heh
I could have used about 3 more LAR scores.
Another strange week in the NFL
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/08/media/aaron-rodgers-state-farm-sponsorship/index.html
Sharp reduction in ads featuring Rodgers for State Farm from 25% of their ads last week to 1.5% this week. It's the woke folks' fault, says he. In addition, Rodgers says it was reporters' fault that he said he was immunized.
The story also says there are indications he had been avoiding NFL protocols for unvaccinated players, but I would guess that story is still very much brewing, either way.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/08/media/aaron-rodgers-state-farm-sponsorship/index.html
Sharp reduction in ads featuring Rodgers for State Farm from 25% of their ads last week to 1.5% this week. It's the woke folks' fault, says he. In addition, Rodgers says it was reporters' fault that he said he was immunized.
The story also says there are indications he had been avoiding NFL protocols for unvaccinated players, but I would guess that story is still very much brewing, either way.
We also have fuller knowledge about his not having taken the J&J vaccine. From a Saturday story I missed:
Rodgers said he did not get vaccinated because he has an allergy to an ingredient in the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines and was scared about the possible side effects from the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/08/media/aaron-rodgers-state-farm-sponsorship/index.html
Sharp reduction in ads featuring Rodgers for State Farm from 25% of their ads last week to 1.5% this week. It's the woke folks' fault, says he. In addition, Rodgers says it was reporters' fault that he said he was immunized.
The story also says there are indications he had been avoiding NFL protocols for unvaccinated players, but I would guess that story is still very much brewing, either way.
So, so often, "woke" and "cancel culture" are used by people who simply want to avoid being held accountable for their words and deeds. Rogers lied about his vaccination status. Lied. And clearly ignored the unvaxxed protocols. That is why his feet are being held to the fire in a way that Wentz and Cousins, to name two other unvaxxed QBs, are not. He LIED.
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And the notion that it's the "woke mob" that is pushing vaccinations is hilarious.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/08/opinions/aaron-rodgers-covid-accountability-obeidallah/index.html
This story contains more of what Rodgers said in August when he intentionally spoke in such a way as to suggest he had been vaccinated, while knowing he wasn't and choosing words that would let him claim he had not lied.
"I will not judge those guys," he said of teammates who had not been vaccinated.
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I think the point about "woke" in general is, that being overly woke (for example a member here thought it necessary to pontificate Thomas Jefferson's sins as slave owner, but was woefully blind to their own sins) trivializes what's really critical about issues, and those issues get lost in the noise.
No one was perfect 10 years ago, or 50, or 250 years ago. Or today. If you see racism, sexism, or whatever ism isn't p-c, call it out, or do your best, but to focus on an ever changing p-c playbook (shit I forgot to check Brandeis' stay away from handbook) but condemning people for who they were, can't really be addressed, only creates a holier than thou, environment, a lot of resentment, and may be self-defeating,
We should strive to be better people, but to constantly point fingers at all the transgressors, past and present, and if we are honest, there are lots of them, may prove to be counter-productive to the goals of changing how we interact as a multi-racial/ethnic/relgious/sexual identification and become a more inclusive and accepting society.
Sports hate however is ok.
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Fitst Ruggs, now this. Vegas has released its other 2020 first round draft choice, Damon Annette, because apparently being caught on video with a gun threatening to kill someone does not stay in Vegas.
<edit>Arnette it corrects, but not Fitst?
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And the notion that it's the "woke mob" that is pushing vaccinations is hilarious.
So true
We all are
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And the notion that it's the "woke mob" that is pushing vaccinations is hilarious.
So true
We all are
Kid is pushing vaccines like he has been pushing Jayson Tatum.
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State Farm is keeping Rodgers?
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And the notion that it's the "woke mob" that is pushing vaccinations is hilarious.
So true
We all are
Kid is pushing vaccines like he has been pushing Jayson Tatum.
My entire immediate clan has been vaccinated
If anyone asks me if they should - I say YES. But if saving others comes into it - I say no - do it to save yourself - and abide by current law if you are/are not vaccinated.
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And the notion that it's the "woke mob" that is pushing vaccinations is hilarious.
So true
We all are
Already proven that there are GOP leaders doing anything but.
And yes, only for saving yourselves, because that's the libertarian way.
Too hell with saving others.
We get it.
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If anyone asks me if they should - I say YES. But if saving others comes into it - I say no - do it to save yourself - and abide by current law if you are/are not vaccinated.
My mistake. You must have been just kidding around when you were advocating a lawsuit from Kyrie.
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Already proven that there are GOP leaders doing anything but.
Defending personal choice is not akin to non promotion of vaccines.
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Already proven that there are GOP leaders doing anything but.
Defending personal choice is not akin to non promotion of vaccines.
Defending personal choice is not akin to promotion of abortions.
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Exactly.
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Already proven that there are GOP leaders doing anything but.
Defending personal choice is not akin to non promotion of vaccines.
I gave you examples of them speaking against the vaccinations, not just against mandatory vaccinations.
But yes, pushing "personal choice" to people already opposed to the vaccines is non-promotion of vaccines. It might be pushing against them, but a lack of pushing for them is by definition not promoting them.
You're as mealy-mouthed as your hero, Aaron Rodgers.
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I do like Aaron
Over TB12
Yes.
I hope they meet this year
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Fitst Ruggs, now this. Vegas has released its other 2020 first round draft choice, Damon Annette, because apparently being caught on video with a gun threatening to kill someone does not stay in Vegas.
<edit>Arnette it corrects, but not Fitst?
They certainly know how to pick them
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FIFTY MONDAY NIGHT WINS!!!!
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One more yard and that kick goes through.
Ah well, Fields is coming along and will be a helluva QB one day.
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AND FIFTY COME FROM BEHIND WINS FOR BEN
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AND FIFTY COME FROM BEHIND WINS FOR BEN
Pretty sure it's his 51st, Kid.
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BEN. He's the rapist who got away with it, right?
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Sure.
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AND FIFTY COME FROM BEHIND WINS FOR BEN
AND FIFTY THEY SLIPPED THE REFS FOR THE BULLSHIT CALLS.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/us/aaron-rodgers-covid-19-mcafee/index.html
He continues to insist that he's doing "what's best for his body," but not taking the J&J vaccine because he is afraid of side effects like his fear of infertility (which is a baseless fear) is not doing what's best for his body, no matter how often he says it.
Nobody made him say he was immunized, for all that he wishes to blame others for it.
And if that's taking responsibility for what he said, I would hate to see him duck it!
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He continues to insist that he's doing "what's best for his body," but not taking the J&J vaccine because he is afraid of side effects like his fear of infertility (which is a baseless fear) is not doing what's best for his body, no matter how often he says it.
Rodgers just got COVID
Is there something worse "for his body" that you aren't mentioning?
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AND FIFTY COME FROM BEHIND WINS FOR BEN
AND FIFTY THEY SLIPPED THE REFS FOR THE BULLSHIT CALLS.
Amen brother - some of the whistles down the line were bad, bad, bad (see Super Bowl last with TB on 3rd and 4)
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By the way - in taking another peek at that game -
did that motherf---- really go for a FG - down 8 - to make the game 31-26 - when the ball was at the 8 yard line?
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"I did not lie about my status. I am allergic to an ingredient in the 2 vaccines. I had treatment to raise my immunity. I made a decision that was in the best interest of my body"
He also said he was following the protocols for unvaccinated players.
The NFL disagrees with him.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/us/aaron-rodgers-allen-lazard-green-bay-packers-nfl-fine/index.html
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Yep
Slap on the wrist fine.
Will be interesting to see if he plays Sunday
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Rodgers makes another mealy-mouthed statement, this time with a non-apology about statements that "others may have found misleading.'
https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1458151598790742021?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1458151598790742021%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fsports%2F2021%2F11%2F09%2Faaron-rodgers-misleading-vaccination-status%2F
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Karen Rodgers.
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Oooooooh
Burnnnnn...
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Week 10
Thursday, Nov. 11, 8:20 PM Ravens -7.5 Miami 46.5 Ravens, 31-17
Sunday, Nov. 14, 1:00 PM Indy -10 Jaguars 47.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 1:00 PM Browns -1 NE 45.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 1:00 PM Dallas -9.5 Falcons 53.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 1:00 PM Bills -13 NYJ 47.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 1:00 PM TN -3 Saints 44.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 1:00 PM Bucs -10 Washington 51.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 1:00 PM Pitt -9 Lions 42.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 4:05 PM LAC -2.5 Vikes 52
Sunday, Nov. 14, 4:05 PM AZ -10 Panthers 44.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 4:25 PM GB -3 Seahawks 49.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 4:25 PM Denver -3 Eagles 44.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 8:20 PM Chiefs -2.5 LV 51.5
Monday, Nov. 15, 8:15 PM Rams -4 SF 49
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Week 10
Thursday, Nov. 11, 8:20 PM Ravens -7.5 Miami 46.5 Ravens, 31-17
No talk about the Dolphin's fine win over the Ravens?! (Or the Ravens' terrible loss to the Dolphins, if you prefer.)
Jacoby Brissett might be an NFL starting QB yet!
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Tua won the game
Ravens were hosed on an overturned call late.
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Tua won the game
Ravens were hosed on an overturned call late.
Enough to make up the 12 points?!
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Yes
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Yes
Oh, well.
Better than on an unreviewable play, I suppose - they get fewer calls wrong when they are reviewed.
I am surprised it came down to so narrow a decision. Either Miami was playing better than expected or Baltimore worse or both.
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https://www.patriots.com/news/expert-predictions-week-10-picks-for-patriots-vs-browns
25 or so predictions on the Pats/Browns tilt, with some of them actually explaining their reasoning.
Spoiler alert:
A substantial majority think the Patriots are going to win. It makes me nervous.
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23-21 Pats
Behind backup QB
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Fucking horse shit
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/roethlisberger-out-for-steelers-after-going-covid-list#
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Fucking horse shit
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/roethlisberger-out-for-steelers-after-going-covid-list#
Why is it horse shit, Kid?
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https://archive.ph/RyIw7
Beneath the mystery of Tom Brady
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Fucking horse shit
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/roethlisberger-out-for-steelers-after-going-covid-list#
Why is it horse shit, Kid?
Ever hear of a false positive?
Though I suppose they keep testing (reporters dont let you know any of that)
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Fucking horse shit
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/roethlisberger-out-for-steelers-after-going-covid-list#
Why is it horse shit, Kid?
Ever hear of a false positive?
Though I suppose they keep testing (reporters dont let you know any of that)
They keep testing. But also, after the Giants' incident with a lab turning out a too high number of false positives last week, the league and teams are being cautious to make sure the positives are real.
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23-21 Pats
Behind backup QB
I see it same way, Pats in a low scoring defense dominated from both sides squeeker.
Unless there are a lot of turnovers, or fluky ST plays, the punters will be busy in a field position type game.
You're sitting on the o/u, I'll take the under
Pats 20-17
GO PATS
RIP Sam Huff
One of the first NFL stars I was aware of and rooted for WBW.
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They keep testing. But also, after the Giants' incident with a lab turning out a too high number of false positives last week, the league and teams are being cautious to make sure the positives are real.
Thanks
Yeah - so I'd guess Ben may have had a subsequent second failed test - again - nor reported. Though maybe it becomes a privacy issue after first test result is reported.
Ex: Test positive on a Thursday, positive again Friday - you could test NEGATIVE Saturday morning and again Sunday morning (24 hours apart - 2 tests, by rule) and then play Sunday
No word WHEN the first failed test was (what day, time) and when subsequent tests were performed - and passed/failed - but maybe we are not allowed this information - its just not an issue of press not digging.
That a SLEW of positives is the only reason to suspect a false negative is interesting.
I AM nitpicking, I suppose - but seasons are on the line. Thankfully for the 5-3 Steelers - looking to tie for division lead - it is just DETROIT that Mason Rudolph faces - and at home.
By the way - are we to believe Ben didnt co-mingle with any teammates - I havent seen that others are missing the game. Or is it just that those have PASSED testing? Thanks for any further NFL rules insight.
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Has there been ample EVIDENCE that previously vaccinated individuals who get COVID-19 are transmitting at high rates? Same rates as those that werent vaxxed?
Thanks - havent seen the stdies - if there are any -a nd ia also understand why CDC and others might squash them.
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Looking like MAC gonna have himself a day.
6-6, 55 yards and a TD
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23-21 Pats
Behind backup QB
I see it same way, Pats in a low scoring defense dominated from both sides squeeker.
Unless there are a lot of turnovers, or fluky ST plays, the punters will be busy in a field position type game.
You're sitting on the o/u, I'll take the under
Pats 20-17
GO PATS
RIP Sam Huff
One of the first NFL stars I was aware of and rooted for WBW.
more offense and TDs and less punts in that 1st qtr than I figured
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You're sitting on the o/u, I'll take the under
I posted mine - as 45.5
So I am under as well
Enjoy.
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Mac Passerton, the new gunslinger in town
99 yard drive-that's badass shit
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Winning 4 of 7 at half
Losing ATL, TB and PITT
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Winning 4 of 7 at half
Losing ATL, TB and PITT
Losing ATL
way too early
to plan fried chicken for dinner
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BOSWELL from 51
Tie game in PGH.
Boz now 18-19 and 6-6 from 50+
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Jags and Saints come back for the covers and just like that a 2-5 day
heh
Was looking for a 4th straight 8+ win week (I know - not much of a brag)
Parity rules the league - good to see.
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All that remains now is for Steelers to lose in OT. To complete the day.
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Pats had the over by themselves.
weird.
They looked dominating against a team I had as pretty decent.
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Touchdownnnnn, NEWTON!
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Touchdowwwwwn pass, Newton!
And the Steelers dont lose
Yeah baby.
(5-2 money line as well)
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They looked dominating against a team I had as pretty decent.
The correct move is to Keenum. Save the bucks.
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Has there been ample EVIDENCE that previously vaccinated individuals who get COVID-19 are transmitting at high rates? Same rates as those that werent vaxxed?
Thanks - havent seen the stdies - if there are any -a nd ia also understand why CDC and others might squash them.
Lower transmission rates, w/variation by (a) vaccine and (b) individual.
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Holy shit - what an underdog week (9-3 covers I think)
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Holy shit - what an underdog week (9-3 covers I think)
HEH
Its been a heavy U-dog cover since week 1.
First 4 weeks were like 11,9,10,9 U-dog covers
Last four weeks have average 8 u dog covers
I'm surprised such an astute handicapper as yourself was unaware of this.
Depending on your line, (I'm using yahoo) I think its 8 U-dogs this week.
Observation from week 1
Interesting first week with dogs barking and covering in 12 of the 16 games.
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Appears that choosing the DALLAS defense as well as LaMarr over Rodgers may get us our EIGHTH fantasy win.
Still close
Up 40 points, with T Hill and Carlson vs Butker tonight - and having to fade points from Staffored and Kittle tomorrow.
Any luck we retain first place and a possible second straight regular season title.
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Depending on your line, (I'm using yahoo) I think its 8 U-dogs this week.
9 with Thu game, right?
Miami
Jax
New E
Saints
WFT
Lions
Vikes
Panthers
Eagles
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TDeeeeee, Tyreeeek.
"You used your first round pick on T Hill?"
Yes, sir, I did.
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TB12 sulking.
https://mobile.twitter.com/home (https://mobile.twitter.com/home)
Heh
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TB12 sulking.
https://mobile.twitter.com/home (https://mobile.twitter.com/home)
Heh
You should learn to use Twitter if you are going to give us links. That one won't show anybody anything about Tom Brady, just our own home page on Twitter if we have one.
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Bucking Futker!
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.....and the OVER.
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Depending on your line, (I'm using yahoo) I think its 8 U-dogs this week.
9 with Thu game, right?
Miami
Jax
New E
Saints
WFT
Lions
Vikes
Panthers
Eagles
Pats opened -3 and moved to -1 .5 to -2.5. Never some them as a dog.
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TB12 sulking.
https://mobile.twitter.com/home (https://mobile.twitter.com/home)
Heh
You should learn to use Twitter if you are going to give us links. That one won't show anybody anything about Tom Brady, just our own home page on Twitter if we have one.
Found here.
https://nesn.com/2021/11/grumpy-tom-brady-abruptly-leaves-short-press-conference-after-loss-to-wft/ (https://nesn.com/2021/11/grumpy-tom-brady-abruptly-leaves-short-press-conference-after-loss-to-wft/)
Three and out, with a Brady pout.
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TB12 sulking.
https://mobile.twitter.com/home (https://mobile.twitter.com/home)
Heh
You should learn to use Twitter if you are going to give us links. That one won't show anybody anything about Tom Brady, just our own home page on Twitter if we have one.
Found here.
https://nesn.com/2021/11/grumpy-tom-brady-abruptly-leaves-short-press-conference-after-loss-to-wft/ (https://nesn.com/2021/11/grumpy-tom-brady-abruptly-leaves-short-press-conference-after-loss-to-wft/)
Three and out, with a Brady pout.
Ah, this tweet:
https://twitter.com/sportingnews/status/1460012932067205123
Thank you.
Not one of Brady's better days, from the start of the game to the end of his "press conference."
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Tom talks TEAM when he wins, thus also when he loses. Would never point fingers.
Someone else might note how some of his teammates underachieved in the loss.
Credit WFT. Tough news on Chase Young.
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NOT the game I was expecting to see tonight.
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Tom talks TEAM when he wins, thus also when he loses. Would never point fingers.
Someone else might note how some of his teammates underachieved in the loss.
Credit WFT. Tough news on Chase Young.
Tom fucked up and couldn't handle answering questions about how he fucked up.
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"So, what happened on that strike out, Carlos (Beltran)?"
heh
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The most intersting story in all of football: https://www.barcablaugranes.com/2021/11/16/22785327/eric-abidals-wife-hayet-reportedly-a-suspect-in-attack-on-psg-player (https://www.barcablaugranes.com/2021/11/16/22785327/eric-abidals-wife-hayet-reportedly-a-suspect-in-attack-on-psg-player)
Should become a movie.
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Week 11
Thursday, Nov. 18, 8:20 PM Pats -7 Atlanta 48
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM Cleveland -10 Lions 44.5
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM 49ers -7 Jax 46.5
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM Buffalo -7 Colts 50
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM Dolphins -3 NYJ 45
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM Carolina -3.5 WFT 43
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM Ravens -6.5 Chicago 45.5
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM Philly -1.5 Saints 43.5
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM TN -10.5 Texans 45
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM Packers -2.5 MN 49
Sunday, Nov. 21, 4:05 PM Bengals -1 LV 50
Sunday, Nov. 21, 4:25 PM Cards -2.5 Seattle 49.5
Sunday, Nov. 21, 4:25 PM KC -2.5 Cowboys 56
Sunday, Nov. 21, 8:20 PM LAC -6 Steelers 47
Monday, Nov. 22, 8:15 PM TB -11 Giants 50
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He's not a "man".
https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/17/zac-stacy-nfl-domestic-violence-video-ex-girlfriend/ (https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/17/zac-stacy-nfl-domestic-violence-video-ex-girlfriend/)
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three picks off three different QBs in the same quarter.
That can't have happened too many times before.
Pats D is coming around.
Good road win on the short week.
Things get tougher v Tenn
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It looked at times as if the Falcon's O-Line was playing for the Pats, not for Atlanta.
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Josh Rosen suuuuuuucks.
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Josh Rosen suuuuuuucks.
It's true - but was he any worse tonight than the QBs before and after?
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Josh Rosen suuuuuuucks.
It's true - but was he any worse tonight than the QBs before and after?
Were 2/3 of their passes intercepted?
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To be fair, only 1/3 of Rosen's passes were intercepted, while Franks was 1 pass 1 pick.
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Josh Rosen suuuuuuucks.
It's true - but was he any worse tonight than the QBs before and after?
Were 2/3 of their passes intercepted?
100% of the passes of the 3rd QB were intercepted.
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Josh Rosen suuuuuuucks.
It's true - but was he any worse tonight than the QBs before and after?
Were 2/3 of their passes intercepted?
100% of the passes of the 3rd QB were intercepted.
Ah. I had the sound off and thought that was Rosen. Who continues to make me think no matter what happens with Baker, we almost did a lot worse.
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Another stinkfest for Mayfield as Browns try to hold on - with Ravens losing
Cool division.
Ben - time to speak up tonight.
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Another stinkfest for Mayfield as Browns try to hold on - with Ravens losing
Cool division.
Ben - time to speak up tonight.
Bears just could not hang on - their D was too worn out.
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The AFC East looks wide open.
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Another stinkfest for Mayfield as Browns try to hold on - with Ravens losing
Cool division.
Ben - time to speak up tonight.
Bears just could not hang on - their D was too worn out.
Fuckers
Didnt know Fields went out
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New top NFL hookup
Colt McCoy to Zach Ertz.
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Another stinkfest for Mayfield as Browns try to hold on - with Ravens losing
Cool division.
Ben - time to speak up tonight.
Bears just could not hang on - their D was too worn out.
Fuckers
Didnt know Fields went out
He may not be back for a while. It did not sound good.
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Wow!
The Steelers almost managed to come back, only to have Herbert snatch it away from them.
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Another wildly entertaining and unpredictable game.Chargers never win these games. Tonight they did. Another big day for dogs.
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Great effort by Tomlin's charges. Key mistake at the end.
2 good teams. With health Steelers may win a playoff game.
Ben timeless. Hope he returns.
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Another shot a t a nine win week
Got Bucs
34-10
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Giants miss their safety, tonight.
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Another shot a t a nine win week
Got Bucs
34-10
Pretty close!
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Another shot a t a nine win week
Got Bucs
34-10
No longer on the Danny Dimes train to the playoffs?
Good call on the game.
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Giants did the right thing, but too late. When you're last in the league, like this year, or hovering at the bottom, like last year, at red zone offense? Heads must roll: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32699164/new-york-giants-fire-offensive-coordinator-jason-garrett-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32699164/new-york-giants-fire-offensive-coordinator-jason-garrett-sources-say)
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I said it when they drafted him and many times afterward, Jones is a bum.
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I said it when they drafted him and many times afterward, Jones is a bum.
heh
See ya, Jason Garrett.
Maybe Rutherford HS needs a tight ends coach.
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Another shot a t a nine win week
Got Bucs
34-10
No longer on the Danny Dimes train to the playoffs?
Good call on the game.
Thanks
Been doing this for quite some time as you know
Actually had the Jets loss cold this week at 17-24.
Modest 31-26 run vs spread over 4 weeks. Yawnnn....
But could be picking up steam.
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I said it when they drafted him and many times afterward, Jones is a bum.
That doesn't make it so.
But, you probably don't watch too many games and see that
a) he's never had a OL
b) he's had inconsistent coaching
c) he's played on teams that essentially are defenseless
d) he's in NY-NJ where everything is magnified.
But go ahead and tell us who should be the NYG QB.
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I didn't see a lot of Danny Duke in college, so had no real opinion, but the knock on the Giants was he was a big over reach at #6 in the draft. They could have traded down, and likely still have him available, and picked up another 1 or 2.
IMO a couple of years in, and he's JAG pro QB, with a tendency to lose the football.
But the real blown pick was Saquon. They could have cashed the #2 pick for a basket of picks to build a team, to one of the 3-4 teams who were looking for their franchise QB. $QBs went in the first 10 picks. Giants could have played those teams off against one another.
the Giant's drafting Saquon was likened then to a blue-collar middle-class family leasing a Bentley.
#2 pick for a RB, even a really good one was a waste of an asset, for a team with no QB, and so many holes to address.
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https://archive.ph/AxIrM WSJ article (of all places)
"The Packers star quarterback is dealing with a painful toe injury that stems from the body
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I didn't see a lot of Danny Duke in college, so had no real opinion, but the knock on the Giants was he was a big over reach at #6 in the draft. They could have traded down, and likely still have him available, and picked up another 1 or 2.
IMO a couple of years in, and he's JAG pro QB, with a tendency to lose the football.
But the real blown pick was Saquon. They could have cashed the #2 pick for a basket of picks to build a team, to one of the 3-4 teams who were looking for their franchise QB. $QBs went in the first 10 picks. Giants could have played those teams off against one another.
the Giant's drafting Saquon was likened then to a blue-collar middle-class family leasing a Bentley.
#2 pick for a RB, even a really good one was a waste of an asset, for a team with no QB, and so many holes to address.
Well, it could have been worse. They could have decided to use that pick themselves and stolen Darnold from the Jets.
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/23/jets-put-joe-flacco-mike-white-on-covid-19-reserve-list/
Jets seem to have a QB shortage.
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I didn't see a lot of Danny Duke in college, so had no real opinion, but the knock on the Giants was he was a big over reach at #6 in the draft. They could have traded down, and likely still have him available, and picked up another 1 or 2.
IMO a couple of years in, and he's JAG pro QB, with a tendency to lose the football.
But the real blown pick was Saquon. They could have cashed the #2 pick for a basket of picks to build a team, to one of the 3-4 teams who were looking for their franchise QB. $QBs went in the first 10 picks. Giants could have played those teams off against one another.
the Giant's drafting Saquon was likened then to a blue-collar middle-class family leasing a Bentley.
#2 pick for a RB, even a really good one was a waste of an asset, for a team with no QB, and so many holes to address.
Poppycock
All of it
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/23/jets-put-joe-flacco-mike-white-on-covid-19-reserve-list/
Jets seem to have a QB shortage.
Addition by subtraction.
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Just one more year for Saquon
Think Giants could/should deal him?
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I didn't see a lot of Danny Duke in college, so had no real opinion, but the knock on the Giants was he was a big over reach at #6 in the draft. They could have traded down, and likely still have him available, and picked up another 1 or 2.
IMO a couple of years in, and he's JAG pro QB, with a tendency to lose the football.
But the real blown pick was Saquon. They could have cashed the #2 pick for a basket of picks to build a team, to one of the 3-4 teams who were looking for their franchise QB. $QBs went in the first 10 picks. Giants could have played those teams off against one another.
the Giant's drafting Saquon was likened then to a blue-collar middle-class family leasing a Bentley.
#2 pick for a RB, even a really good one was a waste of an asset, for a team with no QB, and so many holes to address.
Poppycock
All of it
LMAO.
I was dead on.
Are the G-men any closer to being a competitive team today that they were when they had choice draft picks to rebuild with?
They fucking wasted the 2nd pick in the draft on a running back when they didn't have an O-line or QB?
It was GM malpractice.
But you didn't understand it.
TFF
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Keep dummin, dummie
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Keep dummin, dummie
Still with the juvenile idiocy?
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Bank hasn't made his point - and its been years.
Juvenile or otherwise - just fact.
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Looking to get to 5-7
If not, pick 5 or higher looking good along with Bears pick (currently 6)
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Keep dummin, dummie
Kid my observations about Saquon and the Giants drafting him @2 were both long standing and have been adopted by most observers of the game.
My point's been made for years, the G-men got little value by drafting a RB with the 2nd pick, when they had so many other far more pressing needs.
That you don't understand it, is not my concern.
Your confusion that fantasy values and building a real football team to compete in the NFL are the same thing, is pretty fucking funny.
And your response of "poppycock" to my restatements of the argument was the only infantile post in the discussion.
Are you stupid or something?
And that's rhetorical, no need to answer, you fucking dolt.
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Kid my observations about Saquon and the Giants drafting him @2 were both long standing and have been adopted by most observers of the game.
Lol
Sure agree with the longstanding part
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Kid my observations about Saquon and the Giants drafting him @2 were both long standing and have been adopted by most observers of the game.
Lol
Sure agree with the longstanding part
So you still think it wise, the Giants with
-a weak O-line that needed rebuilding,
-a QB about to retire,
-and other personnel issues,
use the 2nd pick in draft, and a draft where several teams were looking for franchise QBs and would likely bid up to get to #2, to draft a highly regarded running back?
Why after several more years of having a poor football team and showing little signs of improving, would you seemingly reaffirm a poor decision to so severely over value a running back?
This isn't fantasy football.
LMAO
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Next case.
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Next case.
You found your best possible rebuttal/white flag, I'll give you that.
LMAO
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More words doesnt equal more right.
Peace
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More words doesnt equal more right.
Peace
"Poppycock" and "next case" are hardly compelling rebuttals to my arguments counselor.
LMAO
you presented no counter-argument to my question.
enjoy your Thanksgiving
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More words doesnt equal more right.
Peace
Nor fewer.
But supporting evidence for one's position is always nice.
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https://archive.ph/AxIrM WSJ article (of all places)
"The Packers star quarterback is dealing with a painful toe injury that stems from the body
He now says it is not Covid Toe, but a broken toe that may need surgery (but won't force him to miss any time, says the article).
https://www.nfl.com/news/packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-i-have-a-fractured-toe-surgery-an-option
I am skeptical. Whether he has surgery or not, I suspect he will not be as effective as we normally expect him to be.
But I am glad it isn't Covid Toe, since that doesn't respond to surgery.
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More words doesnt equal more right.
Peace
"Poppycock" and "next case" are hardly compelling rebuttals to my arguments counselor.
I dont have to make a case. You do.
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He now says it is not Covid Toe
When did he say it was?
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I am skeptical. Whether he has surgery or not, I suspect he will not be as effective as we normally expect him to be.
Maybe it will catch up with him but AR ran pretty well the other day
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He now says it is not Covid Toe
When did he say it was?
In the link I posted earlier today, Kid, in the Wall Street Journal (but not behind a paywall at my link) - you know, the one in the quote in the post to which you are responding?!
I get that you don't click on all my links, but "Packers' star quarterback..." would seem like a natural one for even you to have read.
He said it yesterday. He was very clear and specific. Now he is clear and specific that it is not Covid Toe, but broken, instead.
We should all believe him, because he is a paragon of truth.
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Too funny!
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/583096-aaron-rodgers-demands-wsj-apologize-over-covid-toe-coverage
"How dare they report that I said what I said?!"
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More words doesnt equal more right.
Peace
"Poppycock" and "next case" are hardly compelling rebuttals to my arguments counselor.
I dont have to make a case. You do.
I made it several years ago and remade it tonight.
and listed several of the cogent points
Your 1-word "rebuttal" was childish and was devoid of any substance addressing how or why I was mistaken.
I told you why IMO the G-Men made a mistake drafting Saquon.
poppycock is the counter of a semi-literate dolt.
That you are incapable of making a case is obvious.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10019062-vikings-cooperating-with-police-at-everson-griffens-home-after-des-instagram-posts
It sounds like Griffens is getting care. I hope it is sufficient.
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The Saints look as if they decided to stay home this Thanksgiving.
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The Saints look as if they decided to stay home this Thanksgiving.
And now it is mercifully over. That was a turkey of a game.
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More words doesnt equal more right.
Peace
"Poppycock" and "next case" are hardly compelling rebuttals to my arguments counselor.
I dont have to make a case. You do.
I made it several years ago and remade it tonight.
and listed several of the cogent points
Your 1-word "rebuttal" was childish and was devoid of any substance addressing how or why I was mistaken.
I told you why IMO the G-Men made a mistake drafting Saquon.
poppycock is the counter of a semi-literate dolt.
That you are incapable of making a case is obvious.
Why do you take it as a personal affront every time someone disagrees with you?
Grow the fuck up.
You're getting as bad as Larry Loser.
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poppycock!
LMAO
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saw this yesterday in The Ringer
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/11/23/22799744/jason-garrett-giants-scapegoat (https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/11/23/22799744/jason-garrett-giants-scapegoat)
A Giants Failure
Jason Garrett is an easy scapegoat for the Giants shortcomings but the team has bigger problems
It doesn't pull many punches.
Of interest is the Gettleman critique.
heh
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Thanks for the link.
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CAM!
Starting Newton today in junior league (9-1, second place)
Tough calls in Iron Man (9-2, first place) - looking at Burkhead vs Jets - over C Patterson, Ty Johnson and Stevenson - and M Brown tonight over some decent waiver wire pickups. Going LaMarr over A Rodgers for today.
edit: back to Cordarelle Patterson, who WILL start. Burkhead to bench as I look for the best free agent to add in his place for future weeks
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Almost forgot the slate
Week 12
Thursday, Nov. 25, 12:30 PM Bears -3.5 Detroit 41.5 by 3 W (and under)
Thursday, Nov. 25, 4:30 PM Dallas -7 Raiders 50.5 by 11 L (lost under)
Thursday, Nov. 25, 8:20 PM Bills -4.5 NO 46 by 3 L (lost over)
2-1. 1-2. 1-2. 4-5 composite
Sunday, Nov. 28, 1:00 PM NE -6.5 Titans 44.5 Titans under
Sunday, Nov. 28, 1:00 PM Houston -3 Jets 44 Jets* over
Sunday, Nov. 28, 1:00 PM Eagles -3.5 NYG 46.5 Giants under
Sunday, Nov. 28, 1:00 PM Bucs -2.5 Indy 51 Bucs over
Sunday, Nov. 28, 1:00 PM Falcons -1 Jax 46.5 Jags* over
Sunday, Nov. 28, 1:00 PM Panthers -2 Miami 42 Panthers over
Sunday, Nov. 28, 1:00 PM Cincy -4.5 Steelers 45 Steelers* under
Sunday, Nov. 28, 4:05 PM Chargers -2.5 Denver 47.5 Chargers under
Sunday, Nov. 28, 4:25 PM SF -3 Vikings 48.5 San Fran over
Sunday, Nov. 28, 4:25 PM GB -1 Rams 48 Green Bay over
Sunday, Nov. 28, 8:20 PM Baltimore -3.5 Browns 46 Baltimore under
Monday, Nov. 29, 8:15 PM Seahawks -1 Washington 46.5 Washington* under
* will win game
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Damn - should have stayed with that Patriots defense.
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Pats wore down and dominated in the 2nd half against the beat-up Titans.
Run defense was so-so, gave up some huge plays, but D forced some timely turnovers.
Offense left points in the red zone
Titans are a tough team.
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Danny Dimes played ok but Giants couldn't get the one needed forst down to cinch the game
Conservative play calling late didn't help. Play calling all told was a revelation.
Should have lost by 1. But well earned win. And Giants should get to 5-7 next week.
Firing Gettleman would be a mistake.
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CAM!
From NFL (dot) com's what we learned from Sunday's games:
The Cam Newton honeymoon ended in a disastrous fashion. The QB was brutal in his second start for the Panthers. Newton completed a woeful 5-of-21 passing (23.8%) for 92 yards with two interceptions for a 5.8 passer rating. Of Newton's 92 yards, 64 came on one completion to D.J. Moore early in the game. Newton rushed for the Panthers' only score of the game in the first quarter. From there, the bottom fell out. The signal-caller was under pressure and handled it poorly, missing a boatload of throws that had no chance. Newton also had four passes batted at the line of scrimmage by Dolphins defenders. The entire operation was a mess. On seven drives in the second and third quarters, Carolina earned a total of 58 yards. Down by 20 points, Newton was benched for the fourth quarter, with P.J. Walker sweeping up the garbage-time stats. It's back to the drawing board for Matt Rhule and Joe Brady to figure out how to generate consistency from the QB spot.
...
NFL Research: Newton's 5-of-21 passing (23.8%) is the lowest by a QB with 20-plus attempts in a game since Joey Harrington went 5 of 22 (22.7%) for DET in Week 14, 2004.
That's the Cam we know and love.
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Danny Dimes played ok but Giants couldn't get the one needed first down to cinch the game
Conservative play calling late didn't help. Play calling all told was a revelation.
Should have lost by 1. But well earned win. And Giants should get to 5-7 next week.
Firing Gettleman would be a mistake.
From Banks' link:
The first step is firing Gettleman. This should also be easy. The Giants are 18-40 since Gettleman was hired. The only teams with a worse record in that span are the Jets, Jaguars, and Lions. In other words, the Giants have joined the rock-bottom feeders.
Gettleman has made some good moves, even some that were unpopular at the time, like trading Odell Beckham Jr., drafting Julian Love and Darius Slayton, and signing free agents like Logan Ryan. Gettleman seems to be a genuinely good NFL scout and talent evaluator, but he seems really bad at applying that knowledge to running a team. There's a difference between spotting talent and knowing how much of your limited resources should be used to acquire and keep that talent. Gettleman has demonstrated little grasp of players' market value, either in cap dollars or draft pick value (i.e., drafting Barkley at no. 2, using a third-round pick on cornerback Sam Beal, and spending $18 million annually for Kenny Golladay). Perhaps Gettleman's real legacy will be drafting Barkley at no. 2, since no running back may ever be taken as high in the draft again. Gettleman might as well be Lucille Bluth from Arrested Development thinking that bananas cost $10.
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I dont have him on ignore
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I dont have him on ignore
I figured that if your post insisting that firing Gettlemen would be a mistake merited reposting that the key passage about Gettlemen from that article merited posting a first time.
It makes a stronger argument than you do.
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94 passer rating today for D Jones
This to go with
90.7
102.2
90.9
108.5
95.9
96.1
104.2
That's 8 of his 11 games for 2021
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I think the quarterback who won the Giants game today was Hurts.
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I'd love to hear Whisk's current view of Mayfield vs paying Keenum much less. This is ugly.
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I think the quarterback who won the Giants game today was Hurts.
McKinney, Love and the boys had MUCH to do with that.
Sounds like you didnt see the game.
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I'd love to hear Whisk's current view of Mayfield vs paying Keenum much less. This is ugly.
That the staff has a better idea of who has the best chance to win long term than I do, and that.there is a reason Keenum is a back up in a league where about a third of the teams have serious starting QB issues. Mayfield is still relatively cheap next year, and if he is not the answer going forward they need to find another answer, who is not Case Keenum. But if Mayfield is not healthy for a game this year he needs to sit for a game or so. Hopefully the bye week can get at least his heel healthy.
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Cleveland played dirty, had the refs helping them out, and showed they are not a play-off team. Nice to see them beat. Again.
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I said it when they drafted him and many times afterward, Jones is a bum.
That doesn't make it so.
But, you probably don't watch too many games and see that
a) he's never had a OL
b) he's had inconsistent coaching
c) he's played on teams that essentially are defenseless
d) he's in NY-NJ where everything is magnified.
But go ahead and tell us who should be the NYG QB.
Quiet dumbass, you're as stupid as the dipshits that have been doing the Giants drafting. I've forgotten more about the game of football than you'll ever know. In fact you having any brains is about as illusory as Bigfoot.
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I didn't see a lot of Danny Duke in college, so had no real opinion, but the knock on the Giants was he was a big over reach at #6 in the draft. They could have traded down, and likely still have him available, and picked up another 1 or 2.
IMO a couple of years in, and he's JAG pro QB, with a tendency to lose the football.
But the real blown pick was Saquon. They could have cashed the #2 pick for a basket of picks to build a team, to one of the 3-4 teams who were looking for their franchise QB. $QBs went in the first 10 picks. Giants could have played those teams off against one another.
the Giant's drafting Saquon was likened then to a blue-collar middle-class family leasing a Bentley.
#2 pick for a RB, even a really good one was a waste of an asset, for a team with no QB, and so many holes to address.
Exactly right.
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I wanted Simmons over Thomas
What picks did you prefer that were not made by the Giants, Cap?
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Teams REPORTEDLY were not offering much for the move up to where NYG took Barkley
So no - not exactly right with the "basket of picks".
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I wanted Simmons over Thomas
What picks did you prefer that were not made by the Giants, Cap?
I have to say I had a huge wish for the LB Josh Allen, everyone knows I'm a defense minded guy. But I also had a big yen for the receiver Metcalf. Turns out we could have had both.
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Teams REPORTEDLY were not offering much for the move up to where NYG took Barkley
So no - not exactly right with the "basket of picks".
Except that's not quite true.
Gettleman was quoted as saying he received a "very reasonable" offer for the #2 but he had his mind set on Saquon. He never tried to shop it among the 4 teams looking for a QB who might have wanted to move up to #2. He could have used the leverage of several teams wanting QBs to his advantage. But he never explored that path.
It was GM malpractice.
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I said it when they drafted him and many times afterward, Jones is a bum.
That doesn't make it so.
But, you probably don't watch too many games and see that
a) he's never had a OL
b) he's had inconsistent coaching
c) he's played on teams that essentially are defenseless
d) he's in NY-NJ where everything is magnified.
But go ahead and tell us who should be the NYG QB.
Quiet dumbass, you're as stupid as the dipshits that have been doing the Giants drafting. I've forgotten more about the game of football than you'll ever know. In fact you having any brains is about as illusory as Bigfoot.
So you can't answer the question, without showing how stupid you are. Same as it ever was, arrogant shitstain.
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He never tried to shop it among the 4 teams looking for a QB who might have wanted to move up to #2.
You dont think those teams called him?
You seem to think one made a pretty good offer.
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Jones out this week (neck)
Glennon in.
Oy.
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I wanted Simmons over Thomas
What picks did you prefer that were not made by the Giants, Cap?
I have to say I had a huge wish for the LB Josh Allen, everyone knows I'm a defense minded guy. But I also had a big yen for the receiver Metcalf. Turns out we could have had both.
And no Qb that year?
I guess you could theoretically pick the best guy taken after we picked Metcalf round 2 and in a slot where we had a pick - finishing the woulda, coulda, shoulda (Allen first round, then Metcalf, then......)
Cool.
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He never tried to shop it among the 4 teams looking for a QB who might have wanted to move up to #2.
You dont think those teams called him?
You seem to think one made a pretty good offer.
Gettleman was quoted as saying he stopped taking calls on trading the #2. He was all in for Saquon even if he said one team made him a reasonable offer.
His job was to get the four teams who were in the franchise QB market bidding against one another to make an unreasonable offer he could not refuse.
IMO, he did not do his job very thoroughly.
And as posted pre-draft drafting a running back, even an elite rb, for a team with as many needs as the Giants had was a waste of an asset.
And most rational observers now understand that point.
And as an aside my post was a rebuttal to your inaccurate post that teams were not offering much for the #2. Gettleman's 1st hand description of receiving a reasonable offer proves your inaccuracy.
Curious kid, knowing what you know now, would you make Saquon the #2 pick?
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You are welcome to join with me and Cap to discuss exactly who Gettleman should have drafted.
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Reports were that Gettleman was set to take DeVonta Smith at #11 overall in the 2021 draft (Smith went 10th)
Giants traded down, something many pundits said would never happen. Got a good haul for the 11 and ended up with Toney in round 1
Should Gettleman have stayed at 11 and taken best player available?
Had Smith not been taken by Philly, what then?
In your opinion, did he act in '21 draft like a guy that should be fired?
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Cap
Yeah - Gettleman reportedly did agonize over ALLEN vs Daniel Jones.
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You are welcome to join with me and Cap to discuss exactly who Gettleman should have drafted.
If you knew then what you know now, would you still have made Saquon your pick?
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Reports were that Gettleman was set to take DeVonta Smith at #11 overall in the 2021 draft (Smith went 10th)
Giants traded down, something many pundits said would never happen. Got a good haul for the 11 and ended up with Toney in round 1
Should Gettleman have stayed at 11 and taken best player available?
Had Smith not been taken by Philly, what then?
In your opinion, did he act in '21 draft like a guy that should be fired?
There was a reason I posted the Ringer article about the Giants. It articulated in a longer form many of the issues facing the Giants, some of which I have articulated in this forum, which has largely drawn only echos in response.
And in facing those issues, IMO Gettleman's body of work as GM has been unimpressive, as the issues still seem present.
In any case, knowing what you know now, would you have picked Saquon with the 2nd pick?
It's a yes or no question.
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You are welcome to join with me and Cap to discuss exactly who Gettleman should have drafted.
If you knew then what you know now, would you still have made Saquon your pick?
What do I know now?
Simple answer is YES. The guy was fucking SUPERMAN by any analytic and certainly by production pre injury..
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It's a yes or no question.
I asked YOU a question - before Josh asked of me.
How do you judge Gettleman's '21?
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It's a yes or no question.
I asked YOU a question - before Josh asked of me.
How do you judge Gettleman's '21?
He picked a bunch who seem disproportionately injury prone. He did a good job picking up pieces let go by other teams, but it is way too early to try to evaluate the value of his draft picks - they looked good on paper, but their year has been pretty disappointing.
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You are welcome to join with me and Cap to discuss exactly who Gettleman should have drafted.
If you knew then what you know now, would you still have made Saquon your pick?
What do I know now?
Simple answer is YES. The guy was fucking SUPERMAN by any analytic and certainly by production pre injury..
I think you ignore a lot of facts that have accumulated since Barkley was drafted, but I'm not going to argue against your ignorance.
It is what it is.
But can we agree that Superman was running behind Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen?
LMAO
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It's a yes or no question.
I asked YOU a question - before Josh asked of me.
How do you judge Gettleman's '21?
I answered the question re Gettleman's job performance since he was hired. I don't think he's done a good job.
As for his performance in '21, its too early to assess, get back to me in '23-'24.
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Week 13
Thursday, Dec. 2, 8:20 PM Cowboys -4.5 NO 47.5 Dallas, 28-21
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Vikings -7 Detroit 47
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Cardinals -7 Chicago 45.5
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Buccaneers -11 Atlanta 50.5
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Colts -9.5 Houston 46
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Eagles -6 NYJ 45
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Cincinnati -3 Chargers 50.5
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Miami -3 Giants 41.5
Sunday, Dec.5, 4:05 PM Las Vegas -2.5 WFT 50
Sunday, Dec.5, 4:25 PM Baltimore -3.5 Steelers 44
Sunday, Dec.5, 4:25 PM LA Rams -13 Jaguars 48
Sunday, Dec.5, 4:25 PM 49ers -3.5 Seattle 45.5
Sunday, Dec.5, 8:20 PM Kansas City -10 Broncos 47.5
Monday, Dec.6, 8:15 PM Buffalo -2.5 Patriots
Like last week, will fill sheet pre games beginning. Decent 4 week run going, off an 8-7. Still no 10-win (v spread) week. Games are tough.
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I think you ignore a lot of facts that have accumulated since Barkley was drafted, but I'm not going to argue against your ignorance.
Judging the wisdom of a pick at the time with current results is your style, not mine. Like I said - Barkley was Superman by metrics and by production.
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Would you have taken Tomlinson, Peterson or Lynch? How about Elliott? McCaffrey? Fournette? First round running backs since 2000, rated:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranking-every-nfl-running-back-drafted-in-round-1-since-2000-ladainian-tomlinson-leads-the-list/
(Saquon is 31)
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Giants add Jake Fromm
Hope he gets a look if Glennon struggles Sunday. Much to ask but season in the balance.
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I think you ignore a lot of facts that have accumulated since Barkley was drafted, but I'm not going to argue against your ignorance.
Judging the wisdom of a pick at the time with current results is your style, not mine. Like I said - Barkley was Superman by metrics and by production.
LMAO
I argued against the Barkely pick pre-draft and suggested one of two paths, either pick a franchise QB with the #2 pick, or trade down for a basket of picks.
And in the Ringer article the author basically wrote the Gettleman legacy may be that Barkley may be the last rb selected that high in the NFL draft, as the pick was a huge waste of an asset and that is abundantly clear.
Lastly I asked you knowing what you know now, and that included the G-Men's strengths and weaknesses, ie a questionable QB, a weak o-line, basically flounderinng for the Gettleman era, whether you would repeat Gettleman's folly of selecting Barkely with the #2 pick.
Picking a running back when you have no O-line?
Best way to kill a rb.
Which is what happened.
And apparently you are all in for repeating the wastefulness of that asset.
TFF
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I argued against the Barkely pick pre-draft and suggested one of two paths, either pick a franchise QB with the #2 pick, or trade down for a basket of picks.
What you dont get is that I dont discount this. I know you and many others were off of drafting Saquon.
Your way - taking Darnold (hello, Mike Francessa) wasnt necessarily a path to greatness. Nobody wanted Allen so dont bring him up. Just as many wanted Rosen as Darnold. I actually posted at the time my like for L Jackson - though Barkley was my choice.
Overall - kill Gettleman for not hiring Matt Ruhle (my choice) and for hiring Jason Garrett as OC. I am fine with all of that - and draftees over the years you could quibble ith (as I did with not taking the stud Simmons).
But I like Judge - and I like the QB. Not a Hall of Famer at pick #8? Cry me a river. I gave you his passing stats for a team down receivers all year. They speak for themselves even before accounting for his rushing skills.
Again, I ask - you said no to Barkley - show me the better path - picks in 2018 and forward starting with Darnold. Lets hear the names.
And do not say trade down and take Allen or trade down and take Jackson - you werent on that. TRADE DOWN? Cool - lets hear it.
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Would you have taken Tomlinson, Peterson or Lynch? How about Elliott? McCaffrey? Fournette? First round running backs since 2000, rated:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranking-every-nfl-running-back-drafted-in-round-1-since-2000-ladainian-tomlinson-leads-the-list/
(Saquon is 31)
31/48 isn't very good. Bottom 40%. Worse when compared only to those taken in the top 10 or 5.
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I argued against the Barkely pick pre-draft and suggested one of two paths, either pick a franchise QB with the #2 pick, or trade down for a basket of picks.
What you dont get is that I dont discount this. I know you and many others were off of drafting Saquon.
Your way - taking Darnold (hello, Mike Francessa) wasnt necessarily a path to greatness. Nobody wanted Allen so dont bring him up. Just as many wanted Rosen as Darnold. I actually posted at the time my like for L Jackson - though Barkley was my choice.
Overall - kill Gettleman for not hiring Matt Ruhle (my choice) and for hiring Jason Garrett as OC. I am fine with all of that - and draftees over the years you could quibble ith (as I did with not taking the stud Simmons).
But I like Judge - and I like the QB. Not a Hall of Famer at pick #8? Cry me a river. I gave you his passing stats for a team down receivers all year. They speak for themselves even before accounting for his rushing skills.
Again, I ask - you said no to Barkley - show me the better path - picks in 2018 and forward starting with Darnold. Lets hear the names.
And do not say trade down and take Allen or trade down and take Jackson - you werent on that. TRADE DOWN? Cool - lets hear it.
I generally don't like USC QBs, they seem to leave their game in sunny SoCal, but I thought after Darnold's freshman year he might make a good pro QB. But he got destroyed by the Jets. Whether better pro coaching might have saved him is an unknown. I did not have any strong opinion about any other 1st round QBs as I don't spend a lot time watching college ball. I thought Mayfield was interesting, but he was off the board. But pro scouts do have that knowledge about the handful of guys who might make it as QBs in the NFL. And in that draft there were 4 or 5 QBs picked in the 1st round. There was demand, even if the G-Men didn't see their guy. Gettleman ignored the marketplace for QBs. It was dumb.
IMO the other choice was to trade down and use the leverage of the 4 teams that were still looking for a new franchise rookie to get picks to rebuild. And we were told that Gettleman turned down what he said was a reasonable offer. I assume a reasonable offer is at least 2 1s, maybe 3, and other decent picks a 3rd and 4th, which Imo can go along way with existing picks to start rebuilding a team over a 2-3 year period.
We saw Gettleman trade down from 11 to 20 and snag a 3rd rounder and a future 1st from the Bears. The value for the #2 pick is much much greater than the 11th pick, particularly if you think the cream of the draft is in the top 4-5-6-7 draft picks.
But Gettleman had his heart set on a Bentley, and who could blame him, its a gorgeous car, but he had no garage, or a trained mechanic to keep it tuned up. So unfortunately it sat on the street and was hardly ever taken out for a spin.
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Are you not taking any of those running backs I mentioned, Josh?
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Worth noting for 2018 draft
Bucs landed 2 number 2s (53 and 56) for moving down from 7 to 12.
Jets move from 6 to 3 cost them 3 number 2s (37 and 49, 2018 and 34 in 2019)
So yes, Giants could have had picks.
Could they have had Barkley at 6 if they dealt with Jets instead of Colts doing so? I doubt it.
May have had Rosen.
You want to say may have pulled Allen out of their butts? Sure - go ahead with that with no evidence Giants were on him.
More likely - they take the guy Colts took - Quentin Nelson, the tackle McGlinchey or possibly M Fitzpatrick if you want to rosy it up.
Colts, Browns or Broncos, picking 3-5 likely get Saquon
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/draft.htm
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I assume a reasonable offer is at least 2 1s, maybe 3, and other decent picks a 3rd and 4th...
heh
(see above)
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I assume a reasonable offer is at least 2 1s, maybe 3, and other decent picks a 3rd and 4th...
heh
(see above)
The Bears executed a draft-day trade with the New York Giants, moving from No. 20 to No. 11 overall to select Ohio State quarterback Justin Fields. Chicago sent the No. 20 overall pick and a fifth-rounder this year (No. 164 overall) in addition to 2022 first- and fourth-round picks to secure its quarterback of the future.
So the Giants got 2 1s, a 4th and a 5th for trading down from 11 to 20. (I though the 4th was a 3rd-my bad).
How much more valuable is the 2nd pick in the draft than the 11th, particularly in a draft where several teams are looking for a franchise QB?
The answer is much more valuable and much costlier to the buyer.
HEH
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I already gave you what Jets were willing to give for the 3 overall and Bills for the 7.
Looks like Gettleman held out for a great deal - still getting the excellent Toney - after DeVonta became unavailable at 11.
More reason to keep him.
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Did you want the Giants to get a 20 in 2018? For the 2?
Heh.
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I already gave you what Jets were willing to give for the 3 overall and Bills for the 7.
Looks like Gettleman held out for a great deal - still getting the excellent Toney - after DeVonta became unavailable at 11.
More reason to keep him.
LMAO
Kid you've been 360ing on this.
Yesterday you insisted there was no offers made.
Then I quoted Gettleman saying he did receive a very reasonable offer for the #2
Today you now tell me that the Jets moved 3 spots from 6 to 3 to get a QB, and gave up the 6 and 3 2s.
And they did.
THATS A FUCKING BASKET for the Colts to rebuild with for moving just 3 spots, giving up the 3 for the 6.
That's how competitive an in demand top of the draft order slots are when teams want QBs.
Would the Jets have tossed an additional asset into the pot for the certainty of #2 instead of #3?
I've no idea. But they paid up for moving 3 spots.
And that's why it was insane for the G-Men to waste that asset on a running back when they had so many needs to address.
And insane for Gettleman to ignore the demand for the QB market.
He didn't do his job.
That you don't understand this is hilarious.
Keep on spinning kid and perhaps once you regain your balance, and sit down, you might understand it.
TFF
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Hind sight is 20/20.
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THATS A FUCKING BASKET for the Colts to rebuild with for moving just 3 spots, giving up the 3 for the 6.
Meh...not so much the 3 number 1s you stated. And no - no certainty Jets offered this to Giants.
Thing is - as I told you - Barkley would have been gone by 6 - and Gettleman wanted little part in losing this player. He wanted - and got - his Cadillac.
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And they did.
Yes. I did the research for you. Dont mention it.
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And they did.
Yes. I did the research for you. Dont mention it.
LMAO
Kid you did the research for yourself once you realized that trading down for a franchise QB is a thing.
But a thing you weren't familiar with.
TFF
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Please
Learn how to SPEAK to people. Rather than insult.
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And insane for Gettleman to ignore the demand for the QB market.
Dave didnt want a QB that year. He wanted a star.
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Hmmmm
Now hearing that Jason Garrett was forced on Joe Judge - by John Mara.
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Please
Learn how to SPEAK to people. Rather than insult.
I left the land of pure civility several of your 360s ago.
Facts and reasoned arguments have little impact on you.
So mocking got tossed into the mix to see if it could rouse you out of your coma.
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And insane for Gettleman to ignore the demand for the QB market.
Dave didnt want a QB that year. He wanted a star.
LMAO
find yourself a primer on trading (any asset) and the trader's desire to profit from market inefficiency and supply/demand imbalances.
and read it and then I'll explain it to you.
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I left the land of pure civility several of your 360s ago.
Because you simply can't handle yourself.
It's just sports, bro. Find some common ground with people.
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I left the land of pure civility several of your 360s ago.
Because you simply can't handle yourself.
It's just sports, bro. Find some common ground with people.
Kid I share common ground with honest adults of reasonable intelligence.
You however are an idiot and a liar.
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And insane for Gettleman to ignore the demand for the QB market.
Dave didnt want a QB that year. He wanted a star.
LMAO
find yourself a primer on trading (any asset) and the trader's desire to profit from market inefficiency and supply/demand imbalances.
and read it and then I'll explain it to you.
You are forcing something on Gettleman he did not want.
He viewed number 2 picks as "soft pretzels". (Read - he was never offered even a second #1)
You can disagree. FAN-atic stuff. Stepping in for the disgruntled and entitled G-men rooter. But pissing on Barkley is simply wrong.
Back to the question - what did GM Bankshot's 2018 draft look like if working for NYG? Then what for 2019? Stay away from Qbs - assume you'd shitcan Manning and sign a free agent - dont even need to name the guy.
2018 - no Barkley - instead your "basket of picks"
2019 - no Jones - pick for need - which is many things
2020 - You liked Thomas, Simmons or other?
2021 - Stay at 11 after losing Devonta (pick who?) - or trade down as Gettleman did?
Yeah - looks like a division champ, surely.
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Kid I share common ground with honest adults of reasonable intelligence.
No. You cant share a conversation
When you are made to feel inferior (which is not my goal), you insult. Hasn't changed in years. Why now?
Peace out, Otter.
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Re-read the Ringer article on the Giant's problems over the past few years.
and kid you don't make anyone in Elba feel inferior.
bur perhaps just a little dirty
LMAO
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I left the land of pure civility several of your 360s ago.
Because you simply can't handle yourself.
It's just sports, bro. Find some common ground with people.
Kid I share common ground with honest adults of reasonable intelligence.
No, you don't.
You're just a little shit who thinks his farts are perfume.
Countless posters here, time and again, have proven you to be nothing but a sore loser, a pedantic and tiresome twit with an addiction to pissing matches, and an irrelevant shitstain.
Not to mention a convicted liar.
And a coward.
Do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.
Bet you won't.
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When you are made to feel inferior (which is not my goal), you insult.
He doesn't feel inferior.
He IS inferior.
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LMAO
I guess Hammy-Utley-Piggy-Uno-Sybil felt left out.
SSDD
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LMAO
I guess Hammy-Utley-Piggy-Uno-Sybil felt left out.
SSDD
Left out was your permanent position on the sandlot, and you still haven't gotten over it, Levine.
But I won my bet.
Knew you couldn't STFU.
Heh
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I left the land of pure civility several of your 360s ago.
Because you simply can't handle yourself.
I think he handles himself too much. Metaphorically.
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LMAO
I guess Hammy-Utley-Piggy-Uno-Sybil felt left out.
SSDD
Left out was your permanent position on the sandlot, and you still haven't gotten over it, Levine.
But I won my bet.
Knew you couldn't STFU.
Heh
Why would I possibly be influenced by a racist troll and STFU?
Kid and I were discussing football on a football forum and once again he got in over his head.
You know the feeling.
And congrats on winning your bet.
So who took the other side, Utley or Piggy or Uno or Sybil?
LMAO
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Hind sight is 20/20.
Hindsight is 20/30, at best.
We think we see it clearly, but it is still not in focus.
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LMAO
I guess Hammy-Utley-Piggy-Uno-Sybil felt left out.
SSDD
Left out was your permanent position on the sandlot, and you still haven't gotten over it, Levine.
But I won my bet.
Knew you couldn't STFU.
Heh
Why would I possibly be influenced by a racist troll and STFU?
Kid and I were discussing football on a football forum and once again he got in over his head.
You know the feeling.
And congrats on winning your bet.
So who took the other side, Utley or Piggy or Uno or Sybil?
LMAO
Buying into Joey's shit?
As usual, you lose again.
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Hind sight is 20/20.
Hindsight is 20/30, at best.
We think we see it clearly, but it is still not in focus.
In hindsight, you should have stuck with your ban on banks. He did what he did. We all three know it, too.
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Hind sight is 20/20.
Hindsight is 20/30, at best.
We think we see it clearly, but it is still not in focus.
In hindsight, you should have stuck with your ban on banks. He did what he did. We all three know it, too.
Says the poster who was permanently banned for worse stuff than you imagine Banks did.
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heh
poor hammy-Utley-piggy-uno sybil
he still carries the pain from some long ago immaterial discussion.
he's so sad
and even our global moderator said his 2-day ban on me was unwarranted and he was wrong.
I never did get an explanation for my banning over my "Slick Sammy" satire mocking our resident self-proclaimed pool hustler and drama queen of the green felt, Delaware Slim & None
LMAO
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Only 4 interceptions tonight.
The Saints can do better than that!
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heh
poor hammy-Utley-piggy-uno sybil
he still carries the pain from some long ago immaterial discussion.
he's so sad
and even our global moderator said his 2-day ban on me was unwarranted and he was wrong.
I never did get an explanation for my banning over my "Slick Sammy" satire mocking our resident self-proclaimed pool hustler and drama queen of the green felt, Delaware Slim & None
LMAO
I see you've doubled down on your own idiocy.
Meanwhile, with every post you keep proving me right, as I said in this post.
This is among the reasons why you're such a fucking loser, why your wife left, why your daughter merely tolerates you, and you spend each night alone.
I left the land of pure civility several of your 360s ago.
Because you simply can't handle yourself.
It's just sports, bro. Find some common ground with people.
Kid I share common ground with honest adults of reasonable intelligence.
No, you don't.
You're just a little shit who thinks his farts are perfume.
Countless posters here, time and again, have proven you to be nothing but a sore loser, a pedantic and tiresome twit with an addiction to pissing matches, and an irrelevant shitstain.
Not to mention a convicted liar.
And a coward.
Do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.
Bet you won't.
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Another quality contribution from the racist troll having nothing to do with the NFL.
SSDD
And who knew the racist troll also has a gambling problem?
LMAO
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looking forward to MNF
Pats-Bills
Bills opened at -3 went to -2.5.
I expect the Pats D to be fine, but do wonder about "Bama Mac playing in what is currently forecast as cold and windy conditions.
The counter would be a ground game.
Should be a fun AFC E battle.
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Another quality contribution from the racist troll having nothing to do with the NFL.
SSDD
And who knew the racist troll also has a gambling problem?
LMAO
Your losses are piling up.
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looking forward to MNF
Pats-Bills
Bills opened at -3 went to -2.5.
I expect the Pats D to be fine, but do wonder about "Bama Mac playing in what is currently forecast as cold and windy conditions.
The counter would be a ground game.
Should be a fun AFC E battle.
Nobody cares about eh AFCE.
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This is among the reasons why you're such a fucking loser, why your wife left, why your daughter merely tolerates you, and you spend each night alone.
Stick to "fucking loser."
Cut the rest of your shit.
Not because it is true or not true, but because it pretends to knowledge.
You want to insult him, insult him. Leave family out of it.
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looking forward to MNF
Pats-Bills
Bills opened at -3 went to -2.5.
I expect the Pats D to be fine, but do wonder about "Bama Mac playing in what is currently forecast as cold and windy conditions.
The counter would be a ground game.
Should be a fun AFC E battle.
Nobody cares about eh AFCE.
You are self-identifying as a nobody.
Good to know.
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This is among the reasons why you're such a fucking loser, why your wife left, why your daughter merely tolerates you, and you spend each night alone.
Stick to "fucking loser."
Cut the rest of your shit.
Not because it is true or not true, but because it pretends to knowledge.
You want to insult him, insult him. Leave family out of it.
Sure, I'll leave them out. They left him out, seems fair.
Nice to see you playing guard dog, again.
Shame you don't hold him to the same standards.
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You are self-identifying as a nobody.
Good to know
You have once again chosen a side.
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You are self-identifying as a nobody.
Good to know
You have once again chosen a side.
I have chosen the same side repeatedly.
The side I have chosen is pro-language.
Ham says "nobody cares about the AFC east. He posts more about the Patriots than any other single poster. That makes him "nobody," according to his own words.
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You are self-identifying as a nobody.
Good to know
You have once again chosen a side.
Boston bias is real.
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According to Adam Schefter
"Ben Roethlisberger privately has told former teammates and some within the organization that he expects this to be his final season playing quarterback for the Steelers, league sources told ESPN."
Seem a little ambiguous, whether the Steelers want him or whether Ben wants to QB for another team.
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According to Adam Schefter
"Ben Roethlisberger privately has told former teammates and some within the organization that he expects this to be his final season playing quarterback for the Steelers, league sources told ESPN."
Seem a little ambiguous, whether the Steelers want him or whether Ben wants to QB for another team.
Adam Schefter should be unemployed:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/espn-reporter-adam-schefter-has-history-of-sketchy-unethical-behavior (https://www.thedailybeast.com/espn-reporter-adam-schefter-has-history-of-sketchy-unethical-behavior)
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According to Adam Schefter
"Ben Roethlisberger privately has told former teammates and some within the organization that he expects this to be his final season playing quarterback for the Steelers, league sources told ESPN."
Seem a little ambiguous, whether the Steelers want him or whether Ben wants to QB for another team.
He wants to be Brady's understudy in Tampa.
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Week 13
Thursday, Dec. 2, 8:20 PM Cowboys -4.5 NO 47.5 Dallas, 28-21. Win. Spread win. Lost over.
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Vikings -7 Detroit 47. Vikings, over
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Cardinals -7 Chicago 45.5. Cardinals, under
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Buccaneers -11 Atlanta 50.5. Bucs, under
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Colts -9.5 Houston 46. Colts, under
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Eagles -6 NYJ 45. Jets, under
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Cincinnati -3 Chargers 50.5. Chargers*, over
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Miami -3 Giants 41.5. Dolphins, under
* to win game
Sunday, Dec.5, 4:05 PM Las Vegas -2.5 WFT 50. Raiders, over
Sunday, Dec.5, 4:25 PM Baltimore -3.5 Steelers 44. Ravens, under
Sunday, Dec.5, 4:25 PM LA Rams -13 Jaguars 48. Jags, over
Sunday, Dec.5, 4:25 PM 49ers -3.5 Seattle 45.5. Seahawks, under
Sunday, Dec.5, 8:20 PM Kansas City -10 Broncos 47.5. Chiefs, under
Monday, Dec.6, 8:15 PM Buffalo -2.5 Patriots 43.5. Bills, under
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Brady had a historic game going - 21 first half completions
For some reason he throws from his 3 yard line with 25 seconds left
Pick 6. 3 point game vs team playing for their season.
Oy.
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Huge game today then for Ben.
If we lose do we see Haskins over the final couple of weeks?
I would think Tomlin lets Ben play it out.
Does the answer change if you repeat the post?!
Is the game less important now?
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They said that Harbaugh's call to go for 2 points was gutsy. Given that only one team gets a first round bye, the choice to not go for the tie, hoping to win in overtime, strikes me as foolhardy.
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that was one helluva 4th qtr and game ending drama in Pittsburgh.
Harbaugh almost stole the limelight from his bro.
I thought it was gutsy but dumb.
With Tucker he has the edge in OT.
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Huge game today then for Ben.
If we lose do we see Haskins over the final couple of weeks?
I would think Tomlin lets Ben play it out.
Does the answer change if you repeat the post?!
Is the game less important now?
heh
Moot point
Just finished watching the game. Excellent job by Ben and entire group.
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Huge game today then for Ben.
If we lose do we see Haskins over the final couple of weeks?
I would think Tomlin lets Ben play it out.
Does the answer change if you repeat the post?!
Is the game less important now?
heh
Moot point
Just finished watching the game. Excellent job by Ben and entire group.
What did you think of Harbaugh's decision?
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Pretty ragged start for both squads tonight.
Wind, snow, and cold.
It's only two series, but the under is looking pretty good tonight.
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Huge game today then for Ben.
If we lose do we see Haskins over the final couple of weeks?
I would think Tomlin lets Ben play it out.
Does the answer change if you repeat the post?!
Is the game less important now?
heh
Moot point
Just finished watching the game. Excellent job by Ben and entire group.
What did you think of Harbaugh's decision?
Didn't like it.
But they had a play they thought would work. And it did.
Statistically they say Ravens chances of winning were reduced only 7 per cent
What did you think of Bellechick going for 2 tonight?
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Huge game today then for Ben.
If we lose do we see Haskins over the final couple of weeks?
I would think Tomlin lets Ben play it out.
Does the answer change if you repeat the post?!
Is the game less important now?
heh
Moot point
Just finished watching the game. Excellent job by Ben and entire group.
What did you think of Harbaugh's decision?
Didn't like it.
But they had a play they thought would work. And it did.
Statistically they say Ravens chances of winning were reduced only 7 per cent
What did you think of Bellechick going for 2 tonight?
Given the impact the wind had on his punter, seemed wise.
Reduced "only" 7% takes what had been 50-50 to 43-57.
But the reasoning of their having no more safeties (or was it corners) makes sense to me about avoiding OT.
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That the Bills held the Patriots to a field goal there may yet be big.
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that was about as old school/ground and pound as it gets.
Great win
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that was about as old school/ground and pound as it gets.
Great win
Amazing red zone play.
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The D was special and that wind was like a 12th man (for both sides).
But what was really special was the Bills kkew the pats would run and run and run, but the Pats O-line was dominant.
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The D was special and that wind was like a 12th man (for both sides).
But what was really special was the Bills knew the pats would run and run and run, but the Pats O-line was dominant.
The Bills' press has been savage about that.
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Rate the rookie quarterbacks.
Is Lawrence still at ONE?
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Rate the rookie quarterbacks.
Is Lawrence still at ONE?
ONE, meaning at the bottom?
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I think at this point, and the sample size is still real small, and the learning curve is steep, if there were to be a redraft of the 5 1st round rookie QBs they might be drafted this way
Lawrence
Mac Jones
Fields
Lance
Wilson
IMO Lawrence's raw ability and college resume edges Mac Jones skills and smarts, but its close.
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IMO, Mac JOnes is only looking as good as he does because BB knows how to coach better than anyone and he knows how to put a great O-Line together. If you had put Daniel Jones with the Pats and Mac Jones with the Giants, you'd have a positive outlook on Daniel and a negative on on Mac.
COACHING makes the difference, and so does who is UP FRONT.
Carry on.
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BB is a great coach, and BB and MacDaniels have generally put Mac in a position to succeed.
and you'll never see me argue against the importance of an O-line.
Never.
Which was a central argument in my saying putting Saquon behind a No-line was dumb and a waste of an asset.
The Pats struggled early this season when they had O-line injuries. But Mac still showed pretty good promise under stress and he does have a decent resume winning big games. And if the Pats can win with a smart QB who is accurate but doesn't have a cannon for an arm, or isn't a scrambling magician making magic throws, so what?
This game is about the W not the stats.
As to comping the Jones, I haven't seen a lot from Danny Drops yet, but he may have a stronger arm than Mac, but weaker fingers and can't hold onto the football.
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I still have Lawrence 1 - but its close
Mac and Lance have a chance to come out on top in time.
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After the 2018 season, the best QB from the 2018 draft was Baker Mayfield. After 2019 it was Lamar Jackson. After.2020 if was Josh Allen. This year they are all struggling. I would pump the brakes on ranking the QBs for now.
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WEEK 14
Thursday, Dec. 9, 8:20 PM MN -3 Steelers 44.5 Steelers*, over
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM KC -9.5 Raiders 48.5
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Saints -5.5 NYJ 43.5
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM TN -9.5 Jags 44
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Cleveland -2.5 Ravens 42.5
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Carolina -3 Falcons 43
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Cowboys -4 WA 48
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Seahawks -7.5 Houston 42
Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:05 PM Denver -8 Lions 42
Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:05 PM LAC -10.5 Giants 44.5
Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:25 PM Cincy -1 49ers 47.5
Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:25 PM TB -3.5 Bills 52.5
Sunday, Dec. 12, 8:20 PM GB -12.5 Bears 43
Monday, Dec. 13, 8:15 PM AZ -3 Rams 52
5 straight weeks above or at .500 - a modest run.
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Re: Barkley and that decrepit Giants line -
I imagine he'd have had 2500 yards plus in 2018 if the line were any good - maybe even 3000, eh, Banks?
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Re: Barkley and that decrepit Giants line -
I imagine he'd have had 2500 yards plus in 2018 if the line were any good - maybe even 3000, eh, Banks?
kid its not my concern that you didn't understand the weaknesses of the team you root for.
or the values of real football players in winning real football games.
And I don't follow fantasy football so if you say the Barkely would have rushed for 3,000 yards in '18 with a decent O-line, I imagine he'd be a very impactful fantasy player.
best of luck with that.
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After the 2018 season, the best QB from the 2018 draft was Baker Mayfield. After 2019 it was Lamar Jackson. After.2020 if was Josh Allen. This year they are all struggling. I would pump the brakes on ranking the QBs for now.
IMO the interesting thing is the flood of new QBs over the past few years replacing the dinosaurs of the early 00s. Except for Tyranno Tom in Tampa, and BenTosaurus in Pitt, Adds a lot of uncertainty every week.
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Wow - that was fun....
Ben goin out as a warrior.
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Benniesaurus ain't extinct yet. That was a helluva 2nd half.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10020452-former-broncos-wr-demaryius-thomas-dies-at-age-33
RIP Demaryius Thomas.
Retired in June, dead in November. Suspicion is seizure while showering, as he has been having seizures.
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Benniesaurus ain't extinct yet. That was a helluva 2nd half.
These folks disagree about Ben.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2951322-heartbreaking-loss-to-vikings-should-kickstart-rebuild-process-for-steelers
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I'm pretty sure there's a good chance they would understand and nod in agreement with the dinosaur analogy.
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Mike Tomlin
14 seasons (thru 2020)
0 losing seasons
7 division titles
3 conference title games
2 conference titles
1 SB win
Bill Cowher
15 seasons
3 losing seasons
8 division titles
6 conference title games
2 conference titles
1 SB win
Chuck Noll
23 seasons
7 losing seasons
9 division titles
7 conference title games
4 conference titles
4 SB wins
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Benniesaurus ain't extinct yet. That was a helluva 2nd half.
These folks disagree about Ben.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2951322-heartbreaking-loss-to-vikings-should-kickstart-rebuild-process-for-steelers
Heh
Interesting piece
2 huge road games left (KC, Balt).
Home games are next week vs Titans, 3rd week vs Browns - to get Tomlin his 8 wins
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Benniesaurus ain't extinct yet. That was a helluva 2nd half.
These folks disagree about Ben.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2951322-heartbreaking-loss-to-vikings-should-kickstart-rebuild-process-for-steelers
Heh
Interesting piece
2 huge road games left (KC, Balt).
Home games are next week vs Titans, 3rd week vs Browns - to get Tomlin his 8 wins
Assuming he makes it to 8 wins this season, how many more after it before he is above .500 again?!
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We shall see
Really need a lineman but would love to see a deal up for a QB considered
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WEEK 14
Thursday, Dec. 9, 8:20 PM MN -3 Steelers 44.5 Steelers*, over
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM KC -9.5 Raiders 48.5. Chiefs. under
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Saints -5.5 NYJ 43.5. Saints. under
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM TN -9.5 Jags 44. Jags. under
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Cleveland -2.5 Ravens 42.5. Ravens. over
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Carolina -3 Falcons 43. Falcons. over
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Cowboys -4 WA 48. Football Team. over
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Seahawks -7.5 Houston 42. Texans. over
Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:05 PM Denver -8 Lions 42. Broncos. under
Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:05 PM LAC -10.5 Giants 44.5. Chargers. over
Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:25 PM Cincy -1 49ers 47.5. Niners. under
Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:25 PM TB -3.5 Bills 52.5. Bills. under
Sunday, Dec. 12, 8:20 PM GB -12.5 Bears 43. Packers. over
Monday, Dec. 13, 8:15 PM AZ -3 Rams 52. Rams. under
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Not a ton of tension in the 1pm games. Only one of them is within a score, though I grant that 6-7 would place the winner of that game into a shot at the Wild Card spots in their conference.
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Bills about to go 7-6
Bengals could be 7-6
Browns are 7-6
Denver likely 7-6
Just Chargers likely 8-5
Steelers at 6-6-1 - may be able to lose a game coming in - if it is not to Browns
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Ravens are 8 - 5.
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Heh
No defending the Giants and their staff today - as they just produced the ugliest last 2 minutes of a half imaginable, ending in a Chargers bomb completed behind 2 defenders wit less than 20 ticks left
Yeah. It's the players. Still...
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Ravens are 8 - 5.
Yeah, my bad - thanks
Wisdom still holds. Huge game week 15.
Baker is stepping up.
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Look at these tough matchups next week
Short of upsets...
Chargers get Chiefs go to 8-6
Colts get Patriots 7-7
Ravens...Packers 8-6
Broncos-Bengals actually bad since 1 has to win 8-6, 7-7
Pitt v Titans 7-6-1 if we win
Browns..Raiders 8-6
Bills .. Panthers 8-6
NFL gods - let it happen
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Not a ton of tension in the 1pm games. Only one of them is within a score, though I grant that 6-7 would place the winner of that game into a shot at the Wild Card spots in their conference.
More games lacking tension.
Maybe tonight's will be close.
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Al Michaels would disagree
Plenty of point spread tension
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Really looking forward to Bucs at Packers in January
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Al Michaels would disagree
Plenty of point spread tension
Not even, Kid. None of those games are close to the spread, either.
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Solid game for Saquon after the TD catch
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Giants TD seals the over
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And Denver TD kills the under
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Bucs by 17
Lets see if Bills can get the first of the 2 back door cover TDs they need
UNDER looks solid
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Hahaha.....
10 point game
And Cincy tightens game with Niners
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Damn - Giants should have drafted ALLEN
Heh
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Bengals tie it up.u
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It worked!
Two tight games.
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Robbie Gould just killed my high
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It worked!
Two tight games.
Such an asshole...
heh
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Ref swallows whistle for Brady
Enter HamSamuels for confirmation
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Garapolo pulls it out of the fire for Niners
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Tough one
Saw that coming
BRADY RULES. End of story.
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AFC scenario -- INTACT.
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Ref swallows whistle for Brady
Enter HamSamuels for confirmation
Just ask an actual referee:
https://twitter.com/SNFRules/status/1470196928680017920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1470196928680017920%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthespun.com%2Fmore%2Ftop-stories%2Fformer-nfl-referee-admits-major-mistake-on-sunday (https://twitter.com/SNFRules/status/1470196928680017920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1470196928680017920%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthespun.com%2Fmore%2Ftop-stories%2Fformer-nfl-referee-admits-major-mistake-on-sunday)
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Josh throw up a poll.
Who's the bigger asshole, Hamilton or Urban Meyer?
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Josh throw up a poll.
Who's the bigger asshole, Hamilton or Urban Meyer?
Urban has never defended you.
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Josh throw up a poll.
Who's the bigger asshole, Hamilton or Urban Meyer?
Urban has never defended you.
Or attacked him.
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Wild end to the first half tonight!
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Nice job by the Rams tonight.
A good game.
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Josh throw up a poll.
Who's the bigger asshole, Hamilton or Urban Meyer?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Nice job by the Rams tonight.
A good game.
Yep.
How's that Stafford deal looking? Many thought Rams gave too much.
UNDER bettors got f**ked last night.
Cousin Sal (Fox Bet Live) had the game cold - picking it 30-24.
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So long, Urban Meyer!
Your type of bully is not welcome.
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A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?
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A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=old+footage+of+rocket+failures&ru=%2fvideos%2fsearch%3fq%3dold%2bfootage%2bof%2brocket%2bfailures%26qpvt%3dold%2bfootage%2bof%2brocket%2bfailures%26FORM%3dVDRE&qpvt=old+footage+of+rocket+failures&view=detail&mid=90D92BDBB9CA03221B6790D92BDBB9CA03221B67&&FORM=VDRVSR
(https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=old+footage+of+rocket+failures&ru=%2fvideos%2fsearch%3fq%3dold%2bfootage%2bof%2brocket%2bfailures%26qpvt%3dold%2bfootage%2bof%2brocket%2bfailures%26FORM%3dVDRE&qpvt=old+footage+of+rocket+failures&view=detail&mid=90D92BDBB9CA03221B6790D92BDBB9CA03221B67&&FORM=VDRVSR)
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A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?
Flamed out how? Did Urban have a strong roster?
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A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?
Flamed out how? Did Urban have a strong roster?
It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.
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So long, Urban Meyer!
Your type of bully is not welcome.
Here's a second for that emotion: https://sports.yahoo.com/the-big-bully-urban-meyer-finally-got-punched-in-the-mouth-150448575.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/the-big-bully-urban-meyer-finally-got-punched-in-the-mouth-150448575.html)
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A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?
Flamed out how? Did Urban have a strong roster?
It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.
Thats fine
Would have been cool to see the team he could build.
Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.
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A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?
Flamed out how? Did Urban have a strong roster?
It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.
Thats fine
Would have been cool to see the team he could build.
Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.
I suspect he was going to have a hard time attracting free agents or keeping his own when they were free to move, Kid, based on things like his kicking the kicker.
Can't build a team if people don't want to play for you and you are bad-mouthing your own chosen assistant coaches all the time.
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A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?
Flamed out how? Did Urban have a strong roster?
It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.
Thats fine
Would have been cool to see the team he could build.
Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.
I think Green Bay should sign him.
Besides, if he is good enough he will get signed. Christ, Damon Arnette just signed with the Dolphims and he is on tape threatening to kill someone. The only inexcusable crime for the NFL is kneeling.
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:NFL Week 15
Chiefs -4 @LA Chargers 50.5
Chiefs. under.
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A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?
Flamed out how? Did Urban have a strong roster?
It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.
Thats fine
Would have been cool to see the team he could build.
Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.
I think Green Bay should sign him.
Besides, if he is good enough he will get signed. Christ, Damon Arnette just signed with the Dolphims and he is on tape threatening to kill someone. The only inexcusable crime for the NFL is kneeling.
Meyer will get a job in football before Lambo
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A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?
Flamed out how? Did Urban have a strong roster?
It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.
Thats fine
Would have been cool to see the team he could build.
Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.
I suspect he was going to have a hard time attracting free agents or keeping his own when they were free to move, Kid, based on things like his kicking the kicker.
Can't build a team if people don't want to play for you and you are bad-mouthing your own chosen assistant coaches all the time.
Players want to
A - sign a contract that will provide for their family (see Hatteberg Moneyball scene)
B - get on the field so they can earn another (see A)
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A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?
Flamed out how? Did Urban have a strong roster?
It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.
Thats fine
Would have been cool to see the team he could build.
Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.
I think Green Bay should sign him.
Besides, if he is good enough he will get signed. Christ, Damon Arnette just signed with the Dolphims and he is on tape threatening to kill someone. The only inexcusable crime for the NFL is kneeling.
Meyer will get a job in football before Lambo
Not on the field he won't.
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A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?
Flamed out how? Did Urban have a strong roster?
It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.
Thats fine
Would have been cool to see the team he could build.
Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.
I think Green Bay should sign him.
Besides, if he is good enough he will get signed. Christ, Damon Arnette just signed with the Dolphims and he is on tape threatening to kill someone. The only inexcusable crime for the NFL is kneeling.
Meyer will get a job in football before Lambo
Won't be in the pros, Kid.
And I would be there are a lot more Urban Meyer stories to come. He may never work again.
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A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?
Flamed out how? Did Urban have a strong roster?
It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.
Thats fine
Would have been cool to see the team he could build.
Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.
I suspect he was going to have a hard time attracting free agents or keeping his own when they were free to move, Kid, based on things like his kicking the kicker.
Can't build a team if people don't want to play for you and you are bad-mouthing your own chosen assistant coaches all the time.
Players want to
A - sign a contract that will provide for their family (see Hatteberg Moneyball scene)
B - get on the field so they can earn another (see A)
Players want to
a) Not be belittled
b) Not be physically assaulted
Owners want to
Not be embarrassed by their coaches.
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Won't be in the pros, Kid.
Even if he didnt have the baggage Meyer isnt the type to go from pro HC to pro assistant, as so many (effectively or ineffectively) do
Precious few head jobs - and his last one, surely.
I have no idea if UM will try to coach again immediately. Kahn may not be paying him (or even a settlement) so he may need the cash
Maybe he can coach the Rutherford HS running backs, with Garrett as TE coach.
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Won't be in the pros, Kid.
Even if he didnt have the baggage Meyer isnt the type to go from pro HC to pro assistant, as so many (effectively or ineffectively) do
Precious few head jobs - and his last one, surely.
I have no idea if UM will try to coach again immediately. Kahn may not be paying him (or even a settlement) so he may need the cash
Maybe he can coach the Rutherford HS running backs, with Garrett as TE coach.
Fox Studio Host, again.
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Good game
Not sure who I want to win
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"Not over."
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/urban-meyer-daughter-war-jaguars-fire-coach
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"Not over."
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/urban-meyer-daughter-war-jaguars-fire-coach
She is welcome to believe what she wants, but I have to say, it wouldn't make me more eager to hire him in the future,
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I won't have a further opinion til I hear what Stephen A says.
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Won't be in the pros, Kid.
College football is a pro sport.
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Mayfield stamps his feet and gets his way
Browns Raiders moved to Monday
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Week 15 12/18
Indianapolis -2.5 Patriots 45.5 Colts under
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https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-covid-week-15-game-postponement
Kid, what do the COVID numbers and postponements do to the lines?
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CLE went from -6 to +3.5 and now is back to -3
Crazy - as we learn who is being added as active.
I have LV +6.
Not sure of the other games - I will check
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Indy -2.5 is the same as I had it
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Very nice job by NFL, seemingly admitting there are too damn many false positives
https://www.nfl.com/news/new-covid-19-protocol-to-feature-targeted-testing-of-fully-vaccinated-players-st
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Not looking like a good game, thus far.
I hope the Patriots remember to show up in the 2nd half.
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Week 15 Sunday
Sunday, Dec. 19, 1:00 PM Buff -11 Panthers 43.5 Bills under
Sunday, Dec. 19, 1:00 PM Miami -8.5 Jets 43 Dolphins under
Sunday, Dec. 19, 1:00 PM Cowboys -10.5 NYG 45 Giants over
Sunday, Dec. 19, 1:00 PM Titans -2 Pitt 41.5 Steelers over
Sunday, Dec. 19, 1:00 PM Jax -3 Texans 40.5 Jags under
Sunday, Dec. 19, 1:00 PM Cardinals -13.5 Detroit 47.5 Lions under
Sunday, Dec. 19, 4:05 PM SF -9 Falcons 45.5 Niners over
Sunday, Dec. 19, 4:05 PM Denver -1.5 Bengals 43.5 Bengals under
Sunday, Dec. 19, 4:25 PM Packers -5 Baltimore 43.5 Packers over
Sunday, Dec. 19, 8:20 PM TB -11 Saints 46.5 Buccaneers over
Week 15 Monday
Saturday, Dec. 18, 4:30 PM Cleve -6 Raiders 42 Raiders under
Monday, Dec. 20, 8:15 PM Vikes -3.5 Chicago 44 Vikings under
Week 15 Tuesday
Sunday, Dec. 19, 4:25 PM LAR -5 Seahawks 45.5 Rams over
Sunday, Dec. 19, 1:00 PM Phil -4.5 WFT 44 Eagles under
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Not looking like a good game, thus far.
I hope the Patriots remember to show up in the 2nd half.
Its all about Jan/Dec football
Hasnt started well for Mac Jones
Now at 69 per cent for year with 18/10 TD-INT
Chance next week vs Bills. Caution flags out.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/tennessee-titans-pittsburgh-steelers-20211219023/
LETS GO!!!!
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https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/tennessee-titans-pittsburgh-steelers-20211219023/
LETS GO!!!!
Pretty entertaining game.
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This game sucks
Between the TB inconsistency and the zebras favoring them, can we please see some other team in prime time?
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This game sucks
Between the TB inconsistency and the zebras favoring them, can we please see some other team in prime time?
Haven't been watching the game, but a 9-0 score sure smacks of an ugly game.
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TB unsportsmanship showed itself last night in multiple ways.
https://sports.yahoo.com/tom-brady-embodies-poor-sportsmanship-161910629.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/tom-brady-embodies-poor-sportsmanship-161910629.html)
https://www.complex.com/sports/tom-brady-saints-coach-go-f-yourself-reactions/tweet-1 (https://www.complex.com/sports/tom-brady-saints-coach-go-f-yourself-reactions/tweet-1)
Sports Illustrated should correct its major mistake.
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Well, alright - got a good run going - 11-5 week, 20-10 over last 2
Week 16 NFL
Thursday, Dec. 23, 8:20 PM 49ers -3.5 TN 44.5 TN and under
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TB unsportsmanship showed itself last night in multiple ways.
https://sports.yahoo.com/tom-brady-embodies-poor-sportsmanship-161910629.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/tom-brady-embodies-poor-sportsmanship-161910629.html)
https://www.complex.com/sports/tom-brady-saints-coach-go-f-yourself-reactions/tweet-1 (https://www.complex.com/sports/tom-brady-saints-coach-go-f-yourself-reactions/tweet-1)
Sports Illustrated should correct its major mistake.
I love how writers love to embellish. He says the Saints "stomped" the Bucs. Really? They had all of 6 friggin points after three quarters and ended up with 9.
LMFAO.
Okay they won a tough game, but don't exaggerate dude.
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Saturday 12/25
Saturday, Dec. 25, 4:30 PM GB -8 Browns 44.5 Packers over
Saturday, Dec. 25, 8:15 PM AZ -1.5 Colts 49.5 Colts under
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Sunday 12/26 - Mon 12/27
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Bucs -11 Carolina 44.5
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Phil -10 Giants 40.5
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Chargers -9 Houston 46
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Atlanta -6 Lions 43
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Cincy -2.5 Ravens 44
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Rams -3 MN 49.5
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM NYJ -2.5 Jags 41.5
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM NE -2.5 Bills 43.5
Sunday, Dec. 26, 4:05 PM Seattle -7 Bears 44
Sunday, Dec. 26, 4:25 PM KC -10 Steelers 46.5
Sunday, Dec. 26, 4:25 PM LV -1 Broncos 41.5
Sunday, Dec. 26, 8:20 PM Dallas -10.5 WA 47.5
Monday, Dec. 27, 8:15 PM NO -3 Dolphins 39
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Sunday 12/26 - Mon 12/27
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Bucs -11 Carolina 44.5 Buccaneers under
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Phil -10 Giants 40.5 Giants over
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Chargers -9 Houston 46 Chargers under
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Atlanta -6 Lions 43 Falcons under
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Cincy -2.5 Ravens 44 Ravens* over
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Rams -3 MN 49.5 Rams over
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM NYJ -2.5 Jags 41.5 Jets under
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM NE -2.5 Bills 43.5 Bills* under
Sunday, Dec. 26, 4:05 PM Seattle -7 Bears 44 Seahawks under
Sunday, Dec. 26, 4:25 PM KC -10 Steelers 46.5 Chiefs over
Sunday, Dec. 26, 4:25 PM LV -1 Broncos 41.5 Raiders over
Sunday, Dec. 26, 8:20 PM Dallas -10.5 WA 47.5 Cowboys over
Monday, Dec. 27, 8:15 PM NO -3 Dolphins 39 Dolphins under
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Note: Colts game today is with Colts WINNING
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Note: Colts game today is with Colts WINNING
And so it was. The Cards gave away too many points. The Colts tried to help, but could not overcome the generous 8 points given to them.
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Damn - tough spread loss in ATL game
No shot with Ravens after QB change
Still...4-4.
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Rough day for Mac Jones
December football
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Question now - does 10-7 get Patriots in - or do they need to win week 18 in Miami?
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Rest in Peace John.
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Week 17 NFL
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Indy -7.5 Raiders 45
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Chicago -6.5 Giants 37.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Bucs -13 NYJ 45.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Buffalo -14.5 Falcons 44.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM NO -7 Panthers 38.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Eagles -4 WA 46
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Chiefs -5 Cincy 49
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM NE -15.5 Jaguars 41.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM TN -3.5 Dolphins 40.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Rams -3.5 Baltimore 46.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:05 PM LAC -6 Broncos 45
Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:05 PM SF -12.5 Texans 44
Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:25 PM Dallas -5.5 Cards 51.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:25 PM Seattle -7 Lions 42.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 8:20 PM GB -6.5 Vikings 47.5
Monday, Jan. 3, 8:15 PM Browns -3 Steelers 41
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Week 17 NFL
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Indy -7.5 Raiders 45. Raiders. Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Chicago -6.5 Giants 37.5. Giants. Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Bucs -13 NYJ 45.5. Bucs. Over
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Buffalo -14.5 Falcons 44.5. Bills. Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM NO -7 Panthers 38.5. Saints. Over
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Eagles -4 WA 46. WFT. Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Chiefs -5 Cincy 49. Chiefs. Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM NE -15.5 Jaguars 41.5. Pats. Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM TN -3.5 Dolphins 40.5. Dolphins. Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Rams -3.5 Baltimore 46.5. Rams. Over
Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:05 PM LAC -6 Broncos 45. Chargers. Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:05 PM SF -12.5 Texans 44. Texans. Over
Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:25 PM Dallas -5.5 Cards 51.5. Cowboys. Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:25 PM Seattle -7 Lions 42.5. Seahawks. Over
Sunday, Jan. 2, 8:20 PM GB -6.5 Vikings 47.5. Vikings. Under
Monday, Jan. 3, 8:15 PM Browns -3 Steelers 41. Steelers* under
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So who wins the awards brady or rpdgera?
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Depends on the fanboy voters
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Antonio Brown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmK2mS5_TY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmK2mS5_TY)
Jimmy Piersall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWYkPG7-zNo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWYkPG7-zNo)
When do you think we'll treat athletes mental illness in this country without the kinds of comments that were thrown onto the Fox Broadcast, yesterday: "Antonio Brown Out in Tampa" and "now he's on the field creating issues", etc..
Pretty bad announcing, IMO.
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Antonio Brown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmK2mS5_TY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmK2mS5_TY)
Jimmy Piersall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWYkPG7-zNo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWYkPG7-zNo)
When do you think we'll treat athletes mental illness in this country without the kinds of comments that were thrown onto the Fox Broadcast, yesterday: "Antonio Brown Out in Tampa" and "now he's on the field creating issues", etc..
Pretty bad announcing, IMO.
Or Simone Biles.
I agree.
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Week 18 NFL
Saturday, Jan. 8, 4:30 PM Chiefs -10 Denver 44 Chiefs over
Saturday, Jan. 9, 8:15 PM Cowboys -7 Phil 42.5 Cowboys under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Packers -2 Detroit 42.5
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM MN -2.5 Bears 44.5
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Colts -15.5 Jax 44
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Titans -10.5 Houston 43
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM WFT -7 NYG 38
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Balt -5.5 Steelers 42
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Bengals -3 Cleve 42
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM Pats -6.5 Miami 40
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM Buffalo -17 Jets 44
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM TB -8 Panthers 41.5
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM Saints -4.5 Atlanta 40
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM AZ -7 Seahawks 48
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM LAR -4 49ers 44
Sunday, Jan. 9, 8:20 PM Chargers -3 LV 48.5
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Week 18 NFL
Saturday, Jan. 8, 4:30 PM Chiefs -10 Denver 44 Chiefs over WLW
Saturday, Jan. 9, 8:15 PM Cowboys -7 Phil 42.5 Cowboys under WWL
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Packers -2 Detroit 42.5 Pack under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM MN -2.5 Bears 44.5 Vikes under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Colts -15.5 Jax 44 Colts under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Titans -10.5 Houston 43 Titans under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM WFT -7 NYG 38 WFT under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Balt -5.5 Steelers 42 Steelers * under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Bengals -3 Cleve 42 Bengals over
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM Pats -6.5 Miami 40 Dolphins under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM Buffalo -17 Jets 44 Jets under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM TB -8 Panthers 41.5 Bucs under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM Saints -4.5 Atlanta 40 Saints under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM AZ -7 Seahawks 48 Seahawks under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM LAR -4 49ers 44 Rams under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 8:20 PM Chargers -3 LV 48.5 Raiders* over
Hittin the FanDuel to pull for the Jags... but keeping my cash. May check out the playoff futures as I have some strong opinions on Supper Bowl participants this year. (Will set up some kind of playoff pool)
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Ben
Coach Tomlin
Beautiful.
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The Dolphins have received some generosity.
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The Dolphins have received some generosity.
And have responded with something else.
Good luck at your next job, Brian Flores!
And who's going to take DW now?!
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45-31 last 5 weeks after the 9-6-1 for week 18
Too buried early to factor into the overall race.
Playoff picks by Friday
Early thoughts. I like Dallas and Buffalo will be real tough. GB-KC does likely loom however
Packers +375 a fine bet indeed to take the whole thing.
But...whio knows which players miss which games?
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Looks like great football weather in Buffalo Sat night😁😁
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WILD CARD WEEKEND 2022
Saturday, Jan. 15, 4:30 PM Cincy -6.5 Raiders 49 28-24
Saturday, Jan. 15, 8:15 PM Buffalo -4 Pats 43 19-13
Sunday, Jan. 16, 1:00 PM TB -8.5 Eagles 49 31-20
Sunday, Jan. 16, 4:40 PM Dallas -3 49ers 49.5 27-20
Sunday, Jan. 16, 8:15 PM KC -13 Steelers 46.5 28-20
Monday, Jan. 17, 8:15 PM LAR -4 Cards 49.5 24-27
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Bengals over the Raiders.
Patriots over the Bills.
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I am unenthused by the "performance" of the Patriots Defense thus far.
If our QB can avoid throwing it to the other guys, then we still have a chance in this game, but I am not holding my breath.
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Pretty sure this is not Pats problem right now
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Pretty sure this is not Pats problem right now
The game would have been totally different had we gotten that TD instead of a turnover there.
We'd be down 26 to 10.
Clearly a QB problem.
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Held them under 50!
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Pretty sure this is not Pats problem right now
The game would have been totally different had we gotten that TD instead of a turnover there.
We'd be down 26 to 10.
Clearly a QB problem.
To be expected
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Miami had the no-name defense in the 70s
Pats unveiled the no-show D last night.
there was a D in the Dolphins, there is no D on the Pats.
I thought the Pats would lose last night but not to piss themselves.
Poor ending to a decent season.
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The Pats lost because the Bills were better, played better, and played with more confidence and commitment.
It's okay to acknowledge when another team beats you, instead of making excuses that your QB or D blew the game.
But then, Bostonian sportsmanship does not exist.
Heh
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The Pats lost because the Bills were better, played better, and played with more confidence and commitment.
It's okay to acknowledge when another team beats you, instead of making excuses that your QB or D blew the game.
But then, Bostonian sportsmanship does not exist.
Heh
Same old Ham.
Only you can read what either Banks or me wrote and get that interpretation from it.
Here, let me make this easy for you:
The Pats 'offense was outplayed.
The Pats' defense was outplayed.
The Pats' special teams were outplayed.
(I wrote "our" but know you object to that, too.)
It was an uglier game than the beating the Eagles took today.
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Some piss poor decisions by the Niner's coaching staff but they pull it out.
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Miami had the no-name defense in the 70s
Pats unveiled the no-show D last night.
there was a D in the Dolphins, there is no D on the Pats.
I thought the Pats would lose last night but not to piss themselves.
Poor ending to a decent season.
Yeah there was a lot on the young Pat QB. A little defense by the Patriots would have helped immensely.
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The Pats lost because the Bills were better, played better, and played with more confidence and commitment.
It's okay to acknowledge when another team beats you, instead of making excuses that your QB or D blew the game.
But then, Bostonian sportsmanship does not exist.
Heh
Same old Ham.
Only you can read what either Banks or me wrote and get that interpretation from it.
Here, let me make this easy for you:
The Pats 'offense was outplayed.
The Pats' defense was outplayed.
The Pats' special teams were outplayed.
(I wrote "our" but know you object to that, too.)
It was an uglier game than the beating the Eagles took today.
Get defensive much?
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Go, Chiefs. Get Ben The Rapist out.
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The Pats lost because the Bills were better, played better, and played with more confidence and commitment.
It's okay to acknowledge when another team beats you, instead of making excuses that your QB or D blew the game.
But then, Bostonian sportsmanship does not exist.
Heh
Same old Ham.
Only you can read what either Banks or me wrote and get that interpretation from it.
Here, let me make this easy for you:
The Pats 'offense was outplayed.
The Pats' defense was outplayed.
The Pats' special teams were outplayed.
(I wrote "our" but know you object to that, too.)
It was an uglier game than the beating the Eagles took today.
Get defensive much?
Didn't you watch the game?
They got defensive never.
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Miami had the no-name defense in the 70s
Pats unveiled the no-show D last night.
there was a D in the Dolphins, there is no D on the Pats.
I thought the Pats would lose last night but not to piss themselves.
Poor ending to a decent season.
Yeah there was a lot on the young Pat QB. A little defense by the Patriots would have helped immensely.
The Pats only real chance for a win was a sloppy/ smash mouth game with turnovers and mistakes and punts that pinned the Bills deep and maybe they could eke out a 17-14 win. But the Pats D no showed and they were trampled by a deeper and better Bills team that was prepared to go to war. The Pats were preparing for golf in Cancun. They peed themselves.
Bama Mac was along for the ride this year and he showed reasonably well (arm strength aside) next year the stakes are upped and we'll see what we got.
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2-4 last week vs number after finishing reg season strong (4-2 money line)
Saturday, Jan. 21, 1:05 PM TN -3.5 Bengals 47 23-22 Cincy
Saturday, Jan. 21, 4:40 PM GB -6 49ers 47.5 28-24 Packers
Sunday, Jan. 22, 1:05 PM TB -3 Rams 48.5 28-24 Bucs
Sunday, Jan. 22, 4:40 PM KC -2.5 Bills 55 27-24 Chiefs
Actually laid some futures cash out on GB to win SB and Cincy to win AFC.
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had a decent WC week at 4-2 and a decent year ending the regular season a few games over .500 and clinging to a modest lead in the SoSH ATS pool heading into the divisional round.
still mulling over picks.
leaning home favs tomorrow, may 2nd guess myself and go Cincy at +3.5 (I hate that hook, and I haven't had them right all year), and I'm brutal at last minute switches (like 2-8)
I kind of like GB to bring another title to title town, and they're the ML favorite, but Rodgers is such a dick its tough to root for the guy.
I'm still rooting for TB12, old habits etc. though I'm not sure he can beat the Rams this time
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Miami had the no-name defense in the 70s
Pats unveiled the no-show D last night.
there was a D in the Dolphins, there is no D on the Pats.
I thought the Pats would lose last night but not to piss themselves.
Poor ending to a decent season.
Yeah there was a lot on the young Pat QB. A little defense by the Patriots would have helped immensely.
The Pats only real chance for a win was a sloppy/ smash mouth game with turnovers and mistakes and punts that pinned the Bills deep and maybe they could eke out a 17-14 win. But the Pats D no showed and they were trampled by a deeper and better Bills team that was prepared to go to war. The Pats were preparing for golf in Cancun. They peed themselves.
Bama Mac was along for the ride this year and he showed reasonably well (arm strength aside) next year the stakes are upped and we'll see what we got.
Pats need to, IMO, draft a killer WR first thing. Or sign a killer WR in FA. Preferably draft the Arkansas guy, or one of the OSU guys. Mac is a pure timing QB IMO with little to zero scrambling coming out of him. It's all 1-2-3-4 with him. He's got some mobility but not much and he takes forever to get his butt moving. I like the guys arm but his mobility sucks. Thus, 1,2,3,4,. Give him good WR's and he is going to thrive because he's usually going to get off before 3.
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Last three mocks I have seen, Pats were taking a DB, a DL (guy from GA) and a WR (tall guy from USC)
Wide open. Could also be a trade.
Giants at 5 and 7 much more interesting. Is Hutchinson good enough to attempt to deal up for?
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Last three mocks I have seen, Pats were taking a DB, a DL (guy from GA) and a WR (tall guy from USC)
Wide open. Could also be a trade.
Giants at 5 and 7 much more interesting. Is Hutchinson good enough to attempt to deal up for?
No. At least not for the Giants. The difference between him and what will be available at 5 is not that great. And while I think he is really good, he is not a Bosa Young Garrett level of talent.
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I think if the Giants don't fix their OL they will continue to be TOAST. Cross, Linderbaum, Green. Or Neal, Linderbaum, Green. The only other guy, if I were picking for the Giants, that I would be interested in is Stingley, a once every ten years caliber of talent IMO.
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The Utah linebacker Lloyd has been mentioned. Wouldnt mind that.
And if not sold on Jones why not take a QB?
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Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
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Second, who thinks the Bengals better get a couple of O-linemen in the off-season? LOL
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The Utah linebacker Lloyd has been mentioned. Wouldnt mind that.
And if not sold on Jones why not take a QB?
Because there is no QB i would take at 5 or 7. Or, relevantly for me, 13.
Neal or Cross, Thibodaux or Hutchinson, Stingley. One of those guys is available at 5. Depending on who you get at 5, Ekwonu or Lloyd, maybe Hamilton. Not as sold on the Purdue DL as some.
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Thats cool
I do like Willis out of Liberty in a deal down scenario
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The Utah linebacker Lloyd has been mentioned. Wouldnt mind that.
And if not sold on Jones why not take a QB?
Good player I like him. No slam dunk QB really available IMO.
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No comments on today's games at all?! Weird.
A lot of people likely lost a lot of money on that Packers game!
Wonder if the underdogs will win both games again tomorrow. I'm hoping the Bucs win, but would love for the Bills to knock out the chiefs.
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We've spent more than a decade listening to Rodgers and the Packers lament their missed opportunities, and this one feels even bigger than the rest.
From NFL (dot) com.
Pretty hard to sell Rodgers as the best of all time with performances like this one.
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Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job
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Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job
offensive plays
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I am happy SF won in the frozen tundra. Cold could have been detrimental for Brady and Bucs my favorite.
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Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job
I thought it was a cowardly call by the review ref. The old the call "stands" bullshit. I thought the reply showed the ball hit the ground before possession. But I could be wrong, been wrong before. I'd like to see a digital frame out of the replay footage.
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The Utah linebacker Lloyd has been mentioned. Wouldnt mind that.
And if not sold on Jones why not take a QB?
As I said earlier No QB worth those high slots. I also really like the Georgia LB/EDGE guy Walker I'm totally surprised he's not getting way more ink. And both of the OSU WRs. Clark from LSU has the look of a starter he impressed me in the Ole Miss game. But folk think he gets pushed around too much. If he shows the speed I think he will in the combine (if they have one) I think you'll see people start climbing back on his bandwagon.
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Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job
The Bengals left tackle that was gettin his ass handed to him all game didn't help. Don't know if he was a backup or what.
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A Niners Rams NFC Championship game would be great.
BTW, "I did my own research" and Green Bay won that game.
Heh
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Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job
The Bengals left tackle that was gettin his ass handed to him all game didn't help. Don't know if he was a backup or what.
They ignored the gaping issue with their O line in last years draft and to a wide receiver instead. Bloody fools.
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A lot of people likely lost a lot of money on that Packers game!
40 bucks.
Paid 190 if they won the whole thing.
Good games yesterday
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Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job
The Bengals left tackle that was gettin his ass handed to him all game didn't help. Don't know if he was a backup or what.
They ignored the gaping issue with their O line in last years draft and to a wide receiver instead. Bloody fools.
heh
So where are you now on Mayfield/Keenum/etc?
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Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job
The Bengals left tackle that was gettin his ass handed to him all game didn't help. Don't know if he was a backup or what.
They ignored the gaping issue with their O line in last years draft and to a wide receiver instead. Bloody fools.
heh
So where are you now on Mayfield/Keenum/etc?
Mayfield surgery went well. Has the fifth year option coming up. Keenum is an ideal QB if are happy going 7 - 9. There is no QB I would take in R1 of the draft over Mayfield.
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The Bucs are in trouble if their O-line can't do a better job of keeping the Rams away from Brady.
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Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job
The Bengals left tackle that was gettin his ass handed to him all game didn't help. Don't know if he was a backup or what.
They ignored the gaping issue with their O line in last years draft and to a wide receiver instead. Bloody fools.
heh
So where are you now on Mayfield/Keenum/etc?
Mayfield surgery went well. Has the fifth year option coming up. Keenum is an ideal QB if are happy going 7 - 9. There is no QB I would take in R1 of the draft over Mayfield.
But are you giving him a contract?
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Wtih first three home teams losing, stands to reason Chiefs win tonight, right?
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Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job
The Bengals left tackle that was gettin his ass handed to him all game didn't help. Don't know if he was a backup or what.
They ignored the gaping issue with their O line in last years draft and to a wide receiver instead. Bloody fools.
heh
So where are you now on Mayfield/Keenum/etc?
Mayfield surgery went well. Has the fifth year option coming up. Keenum is an ideal QB if are happy going 7 - 9. There is no QB I would take in R1 of the draft over Mayfield.
But are you giving him a contract?
Why make the decision now, unless it is to get rid of him, regardless. We have him for another 2 if we want him. And he would not want the contract last year would give him.
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No back to back SB trophies for Brady this time around.
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that self immolation by the Rams was one of the greatest gakks ever in a big-time game.
They should have won that game by 3 scores
a 27-3 miracle CFBW would have been nice for TB12 to pair with his 28-3 CFBW a few years back.
if that's the GOAT's swan song it ain't a terrible way to go out
Strange game
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Great defensive strategy by the Bills the last 13 seconds
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Will say it again
HATE THE OT RULE
Give me a reason they do not change it
First time it worked in my favor.
Unbelievable 2 days o football.
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and then a stranger game.
that was a dilly of a day of football.
the NFL knows how to cram a lot of football into the closing minutes.
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Will say it again
HATE THE OT RULE
Give me a reason they do not change it
First time it worked in my favor.
Unbelievable 2 days o football.
OT rules should be that visiting team gets a chance to score a TD first, then home team gets the ball to do the same.
This was a great game settled by a coin toss.
Weak.
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Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job
The Bengals left tackle that was gettin his ass handed to him all game didn't help. Don't know if he was a backup or what.
They ignored the gaping issue with their O line in last years draft and to a wide receiver instead. Bloody fools.
Dripping with Sarcasm. LOL
Which is why I've included Stingley in my thoughts. Chase was special, as is I have repeatedly said that I feel Stingley is too.
PS: Carmen was a good 2nd round pick for the Bengals. If the Giants do take Stingley, I would hope they go OT for their 2nd pick. Although I could also be very happy with Linderbaum for that pick.
My point was to address the OL early and often and not wait until round 4 to start thinking, "hey you know, our offensive line sucks". Maybe we should do somthing about it. Linderbaum is also IMO another one of those special guys for his position.
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Will say it again
HATE THE OT RULE
Give me a reason they do not change it
First time it worked in my favor.
Unbelievable 2 days o football.
OT rules should be that visiting team gets a chance to score a TD first, then home team gets the ball to do the same.
This was a great game settled by a coin toss.
Weak.
I, and I think most fans, would be satisfied if both offenses simply have one offensive series guaranteed.
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Will say it again
HATE THE OT RULE
Give me a reason they do not change it
First time it worked in my favor.
Unbelievable 2 days o football.
OT rules should be that visiting team gets a chance to score a TD first, then home team gets the ball to do the same.
This was a great game settled by a coin toss.
Weak.
I, and I think most fans, would be satisfied if both offenses simply have one offensive series guaranteed.
Agree. No need for a coin toss. The home team can choose to take the ball first or second. Each team gets their chance to score.
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I think that is fair. The coin toss could though be a strategic bonus. One thing that many don't think of in the scenario that is being discussed. But the coach in me sees the advantage of deferring and getting the ball second. Sure getting the ball second let's you know what you're up against, FG or TD.
But more importantly if you need any kind of score at all it gives you the advantage of playing 4 down ball.
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I think that is fair. The coin toss could though be a strategic bonus. One thing that many don't think of in the scenario that is being discussed. But the coach in me sees the advantage of deferring and getting the ball second. Sure getting the ball second let's you know what you're up against, FG or TD.
But more importantly if you need any kind of score at all it gives you the advantage of playing 4 down ball.
If you know going into the game who gets choice of starting with the ball in OT, you can strategize appropriately. I think that helps both teams and it creates fairer competition.
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If I knew I was going to get a chance to score no matter what I'd want the ball second every time. I think every coach in America would too.
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If I knew I was going to get a chance to score no matter what I'd want the ball second every time. I think every coach in America would too.
Don't you think it makes a difference if you're the home or road team, especially in a playoff game?
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If I knew I was going to get a chance to score no matter what I'd want the ball second every time. I think every coach in America would too.
Don't you think it makes a difference if you're the home or road team, especially in a playoff game?
Well, there may be reasons the overcome the main one (weather conditions,.etc) but if everyone gets the ball at least once, you want it second to know what you need, a field goal or touchdown. If you go first you do not know if a field goal is enough to at least tie. Going second, you do. That is why teams that win the toss in college always choose to go second. Regardless of home or away.
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If I knew I was going to get a chance to score no matter what I'd want the ball second every time. I think every coach in America would too.
Don't you think it makes a difference if you're the home or road team, especially in a playoff game?
Well, there may be reasons the overcome the main one (weather conditions,.etc) but if everyone gets the ball at least once, you want it second to know what you need, a field goal or touchdown. If you go first you do not know if a field goal is enough to at least tie. Going second, you do. That is why teams that win the toss in college always choose to go second. Regardless of home or away.
I see your point.
But the pros play a much more refined and skilled game.
Some teams will take 3 and rely on their F. Others may want the TD and keep their fingers crossed on the D.
The former may want the ball first, the latter taking it second.
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I think that we all agree that both teams should get at least one offensive possession (unless the defense scores on the first offensive possession of the OT).
Is there anything else we have ever all agreed upon?!
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So maybe the OT extra quarter is just played out to the full time? Then each team may get multiple chances to take the ball.
It worked in the past.
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So maybe the OT extra quarter is just played out to the full time? Then each team may get multiple chances to take the ball.
It worked in the past.
That would be my choice. And then one more quarter with kick off if still tied. Until one team is ahead or everyone gets Winslowed of the field by his teammates.
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And then when the final whistle is blown, the refs can tack on a few more minutes of playing time, as they do in European football.
I like the sudden death TD aspect, if the defense can't prevent a first possession TD, maybe they deserve to lose. Make one fucking stop.
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So maybe the OT extra quarter is just played out to the full time? Then each team may get multiple chances to take the ball.
It worked in the past.
I like this.
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If I knew I was going to get a chance to score no matter what I'd want the ball second every time. I think every coach in America would too.
Don't you think it makes a difference if you're the home or road team, especially in a playoff game?
Not really Hammy. If you get the ball last and know you have to score then you get the advantage that the first team didn't have. 4 down football. The other team was working off of 3 down and then either decide to punt or go for 4th down. When you play 4 down football your options change and the defenses problems increase. It's not a guarantee of success, but it is an edge.
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I think that we all agree that both teams should get at least one offensive possession (unless the defense scores on the first offensive possession of the OT).
Is there anything else we have ever all agreed upon?!
Hammy is an asshole?
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No wait....
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And then when the final whistle is blown, the refs can tack on a few more minutes of playing time, as they do in European football.
I like the sudden death TD aspect, if the defense can't prevent a first possession TD, maybe they deserve to lose. Make one fucking stop.
Except it applies equally to the other team: if they can't prevent one, whether or not they have scored already, then they don't deserve to win.
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Once again, the four down ball applies. The first defense (most likely) gets to play 3 down defense at least generally speaking. The second defense gets the 4 down ball if the other team has scored. Of course, on the flip side if they stop them once it's over.
But options the offense has really weighs in their favor, especially on third down calls. Normal 3rd down rules would not necessarily apply.
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Ben Roethlisrapist is quitting.
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Josh will be so sad. One less guy to be wrong about
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Josh will be so sad. One less guy to be wrong about
Josh already posted about this, but I have no idea what about him I had wrong.
And I assure you, as somebody who makes more mistakes than you make decisions, Kid, I will not run out of things or people to be wrong about.
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Sunday conference title games
Sunday, Jan. 30, 3:00 PM KC -7.5 Bengals 53.5
Sunday, Jan. 30, 6:30 PM LA Rams -3.5 49ers 46.5
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Sunday conference title games
Sunday, Jan. 30, 3:00 PM KC -7.5 Bengals 53.5
Sunday, Jan. 30, 6:30 PM LA Rams -3.5 49ers 46.5
28 - 21 Chiefs
24 - 17 Rams
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The GOAT retires. Well played
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The GOAT retires. Well played
Of course he was certainly no Joe Flacco😂😂😁😁
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The GOAT retires. Well played
Very
For over 20 years
Best ever.
An amazing career.
TB12--thanks for the fun
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DANIEL JONES TO TAMPA
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I have not seen anywhere that "Brady says he is retiring."
Until that happens, I think it is all premature.
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Agree.
Rapoport added: "Brady is on vacation and far away from what I can tell. The fact that this got out now has no doubt frustrated him to no end. Again, this is someone who is extremely in charge of his brand, in everything that is produced, everything around him, everything social media puts out. They do a great job. But this is very un-Brady-like. The fact that the Buccaneers have not yet been informed that he is for sure walking away, probably is not a good look. I think Brady handles everything first class. I'm sure that he is steaming that this got out. However, I do believe this is true, that he is, in fact, going to retire."
https://www.nfl.com/news/buccaneers-qb-tom-brady-retiring-from-nfl-after-22-seasons
Would be cool if he did comeback. Has said he would love to finish with a win. Could Tampa management convince him they can gather together enough talent for this to even be a possibility? Guys getting older, the Antonio mess, etc...
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I'll go with Cinci and the Niners, both for the win, with both games going over.
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Over on KC game being bet big even as it creeps up . Some have it as high as 55.5
Money also went big on Chiefs first at 6.5 then at 7. Can't find a 7 anywhere now.
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Over on KC game being bet big even as it creeps up . Some have it as high as 55.5
Money also went big on Chiefs first at 6.5 then at 7. Can't find a 7 anywhere now.
I had Mixon scoring on that last big run, not coming up short. But I will settle for having beaten the spread and called the winner in this first game. May I do so well in the second!
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Well done, sir
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About that NFL OT controversy:
Never mind.
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About that NFL OT controversy:
Never mind.
Both teams had a possession on offense.
One was just more offensive than the other.
But the current version of the rule still sucks.
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Well done, sir
Thanks.
The second game, I got the winner wrong and the over/under very wrong, but beat the spread. 50/50 for the day and 50/50 for the playoffs (as I only guessed two other games).
In the land of wouldacouldashoulda, one dropped interception toss made the difference.
In the early game, the choice to not kick the field goal at the end of the first half made the difference.
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Andy Reid'a clockmastery bit KC in the ass today.
As Pats fan may remember 21-3 wasn't quite enough in Indy in '06 either.
went 1-1 today, (8-4 for post-season, over .500 for year,) and locked up '21-22 SoSH ATS pick 'em tourney, 2up 1 to play.
GO BENGALS
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Totally unexpected. Looks like Burrow is an elite and Detroit buried its very talented signal caller.
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Cant wait to hear Stephen A's take on Eric Bieniemy today. (Smith has been hypercritical of teams not moving to hire Bieniemy, lately as the GB offensive coordinator was hired by Denver)
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So...were those games won, yesterday, or were they blown?
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Taking little from the CinnCats or Rams and their deserving comebacks, I think there was a big slug of "blown" in both the wins.
Mahomes looked lost in the 2nd half, desperate to find someone open (kudos D adjustment) . I would have loved to see him lose that fumble and the game on the penultimate 4Q play/pathetic scramble and strip sack.
I had KC covering (34-21) but in 4Q I was hoping for the upset. I couldn't handicap Cincy all year, yesterday was no different.
Jimmy G. was just terrible, gotta beleive its time for the 49ers to move on. Rodgers? Russell?
I had this one dead-on at LAR 20-17, thought the 49ers could win but loved the .5 hook
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Taking little from the CinnCats or Rams and their deserving comebacks, I think there was a big slug of "blown" in both the wins.
Mahomes looked lost in the 2nd half, desperate to find someone open (kudos D adjustment) . I would have loved to see him lose that fumble and the game on the penultimate 4Q play/pathetic scramble and strip sack.
I had KC covering (34-21) but in 4Q I was hoping for the upset. I couldn't handicap Cincy all year, yesterday was no different.
Jimmy G. was just terrible, gotta beleive its time for the 49ers to move on. Rodgers? Russell?
Maybe they could draft someone last year...
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Taking little from the CinnCats or Rams and their deserving comebacks, I think there was a big slug of "blown" in both the wins.
Mahomes looked lost in the 2nd half, desperate to find someone open (kudos D adjustment) . I would have loved to see him lose that fumble and the game on the penultimate 4Q play/pathetic scramble and strip sack.
I had KC covering (34-21) but in 4Q I was hoping for the upset. I couldn't handicap Cincy all year, yesterday was no different.
Jimmy G. was just terrible, gotta beleive its time for the 49ers to move on. Rodgers? Russell?
Maybe they could draft someone last year...
Having gotten so close to the SB, the 49ers may decide for a more potent offensive weapon than an untested lance. And many find Rodgers very offensive.
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Jimmy G. was just terrible, gotta beleive its time for the 49ers to move on. Rodgers? Russell?
LOL
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A concise rebuttal.
Which says nothing to the point.
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I think Reid blew it, as I (and many others) noted, when he didn't manage to get at least 3 at the half.
Cinci made strong adjustments on both sides of the ball and it paid off, but how much more they could have done, looking down the barrel at 21 points instead of 18, is unclear given the final result.
Not sure I think the Niners blew it more than its just being a back and forth kind of game. This is not to disagree about individual performances, but to suggest that those happen in the ebb and flow of most games.
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I think Reid blew it, as I (and many others) noted, when he didn't manage to get at least 3 at the half.
Cinci made strong adjustments on both sides of the ball and it paid off, but how much more they could have done, looking down the barrel at 21 points instead of 18, is unclear given the final result.
Not sure I think the Niners blew it more than its just being a back and forth kind of game. This is not to disagree about individual performances, but to suggest that those happen in the ebb and flow of most games.
Well, yes. But Mahomes threw the ball to someone with a poor shot to score. That is on him. He also took two sacks when they were inside the 5 at the end of the game.
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I'm not sure I would characterize a game where one team up 17-7 late in the 3rd qtr, and gives up the last 13 points to lose 20-17, as back and forth.
YMMV
I thought the 49ers offense game plan to the extent there was one, was uninspired and JG's performance terrible.
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Cant wait to hear Stephen A's take on Eric Bieniemy today. (Smith has been hypercritical of teams not moving to hire Bieniemy, lately as the GB offensive coordinator was hired by Denver)
More like hysterical. LOL
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Cinci made strong adjustments on both sides of the ball and it paid off, but how much more they could have done, looking down the barrel at 21 points instead of 18, is unclear given the final result.
Wouldnt have been 21. Cincy already had ten when Chiefs decided not to take the 3.
But still - a wow move by Reid
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Brady makes it official.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/02/01/sports/tom-brady-retires/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/02/01/sports/tom-brady-retires/)
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Thank God Brady spared us the Long Goodbye.
GOAT would have been reduced to goat.
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Tampa - trade for Carr or sign Mariotta?
Drafting a QB a near certainty.
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Tampa - trade for Carr or sign Mariotta?
Drafting a QB a near certainty.
Why would LV trade in their Carr? They were a playoff team, who do they replace him with?
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Who ya got in Tampa?
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Who ya got in Tampa?
Not sure, because I am not sure who will be on the market. A lot depends on coaching hires, how much does the new coach like, oh, Kirk Cousins or whoever.
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https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/)
Brian Flores is an angry man.
Should he be?
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Who ya got in Tampa?
Not sure, because I am not sure who will be on the market. A lot depends on coaching hires, how much does the new coach like, oh, Kirk Cousins or whoever.
Agree. Definitely a "stay tuned".
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Kyle Trask
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https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/)
Brian Flores is an angry man.
Should he be?
Yes.
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About that NFL OT controversy:
Never mind.
Both teams had a possession on offense.
One was just more offensive than the other.
But the current version of the rule still sucks.
Yep.
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https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/)
Brian Flores is an angry man.
Should he be?
If his accusations are correct yes.
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Flores stayed silent and took the money. He could have called Ross out immediately if he didnt think the $$ offer for losses was akin o good and proper NFL business. Now it sounds like spoiled cheese (worse than grapes)
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Tough case to prove. No one violated the Rooney Rule, if they interviewed minority candidates.
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Tough case to prove. No one violated the Rooney Rule, if they interviewed minority candidates.
Uh, I think if they interviewed them AFTER deciding to hire someone else, which is the claim, that.would be against the spirit of the rule at the very least.
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And Bellechick text proves this?
The official hire of Daboll was when?
And the Flores interview?
Was Flores given the chance to knock the Giants socks off? To show Schoen he had something other than years HC experience that Daboll lacked?
I would say YES. He was.
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And Bellechick text proves this?
The official hire of Daboll was when?
And the Flores interview?
Was Flores given the chance to knock the Giants socks off? To show Schoen he had something other than years HC experience that Daboll lacked?
I would say YES. He was.
No, the Belechick tests are evidence that the interview was a sham interview designed to pay mere lip service to the Rooney Rule. There are reasons to question what BB actually knew and how, of course, but they do show the Giants made the decision to hire Daboll before ever interviewing Flores.
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How about.....
Daboll happened to go first
Daboll knocked it out of the park.
What more needs to be said after this?
Except that due to the rule Flores - whether or no the Giants still thought he could surpass Daboll - needed to be interviewed. Without the rule maybe Giants call and cancel.
None of this will mean shit to anyone who is stuck on GIANTS ARE RACIST BASTARDS, which would be par for the Elba course.
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And Bellechick text proves this?
The official hire of Daboll was when?
And the Flores interview?
Was Flores given the chance to knock the Giants socks off? To show Schoen he had something other than years HC experience that Daboll lacked?
I would say YES. He was.
No, the Belechick tests are evidence that the interview was a sham interview designed to pay mere lip service to the Rooney Rule. There are reasons to question what BB actually knew and how, of course, but they do show the Giants made the decision to hire Daboll before ever interviewing Flores.
Uh, no. They don't prove that at all.
You can be high on a candidate, and then say, wait...we gotta look at one more, and then say, well, we still like the other guy.
So prove that wasn't the case.
Maybe the BB text just prove that Flores has thin skin.
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And Bellechick text proves this?
The official hire of Daboll was when?
And the Flores interview?
Was Flores given the chance to knock the Giants socks off? To show Schoen he had something other than years HC experience that Daboll lacked?
I would say YES. He was.
No, the Belechick tests are evidence that the interview was a sham interview designed to pay mere lip service to the Rooney Rule. There are reasons to question what BB actually knew and how, of course, but they do show the Giants made the decision to hire Daboll before ever interviewing Flores.
Uh, no. They don't prove that at all.
You can be high on a candidate, and then say, wait...we gotta look at one more, and then say, well, we still like the other guy.
So prove that wasn't the case.
I did not use the word prove for a reason. It is evidence that they reached a decision and the interview with Flores was a sham. As I noted, other explanations can be conceived of, based on what BB heard and was told and who told him. But on its face it is some evidence to support the claim Flores makes about his interview being not in good faith, and a violation of the Rooney Rule.
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How about.....
Daboll happened to go first
Daboll knocked it out of the park.
What more needs to be said after this?
Except that due to the rule Flores - whether or no the Giants still thought he could surpass Daboll - needed to be interviewed. Without the rule maybe Giants call and cancel.
None of this will mean shit to anyone who is stuck on GIANTS ARE RACIST BASTARDS, which would be par for the Elba course.
No one on Elba has made that claim.
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https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/)
Brian Flores is an angry man.
Should he be?
Yes.
Does he have a case provable Steve? Belichick doesn't work in any capacity for the New York football Giants. So is that hearsay evidence? Do we have any audio footage or witnesses of the Dolphins owner saying any of what he's accused of?
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https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/)
Brian Flores is an angry man.
Should he be?
Yes.
Does he have a case provable Steve? Belichick doesn't work in any capacity for the New York football Giants. So is that hearsay evidence? Do we have any audio footage or witnesses of the Dolphins owner saying any of what he's accused of?
It is evidence, but we do not know what is behind BBs statements or who made them. Hearsay is admissible way more often then you think.
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https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/)
Brian Flores is an angry man.
Should he be?
Yes.
Does he have a case provable Steve? Belichick doesn't work in any capacity for the New York football Giants. So is that hearsay evidence? Do we have any audio footage or witnesses of the Dolphins owner saying any of what he's accused of?
It is evidence, but we do not know what is behind BBs statements or who made them. Hearsay is admissible way more often then you think.
Would Flores need some sort of actual documentary proof, or witnesses, to back up his other claims to be more than he said she said?
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The Washington Football Team has a new nickname....
The Washington Commanders
Commanders is code for Commanders-in-chief (DC ese)
Chief is short for REDskins.
IOW THE Washington RedSkins live on.
They considered Liars and crooks, but it just didn't seem catchy enough.
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Jones, first rounder and second rounder for Wilson
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And Bellechick text proves this?
The official hire of Daboll was when?
And the Flores interview?
Was Flores given the chance to knock the Giants socks off? To show Schoen he had something other than years HC experience that Daboll lacked?
I would say YES. He was.
No, the Belechick tests are evidence that the interview was a sham interview designed to pay mere lip service to the Rooney Rule. There are reasons to question what BB actually knew and how, of course, but they do show the Giants made the decision to hire Daboll before ever interviewing Flores.
Uh, no. They don't prove that at all.
You can be high on a candidate, and then say, wait...we gotta look at one more, and then say, well, we still like the other guy.
So prove that wasn't the case.
I did not use the word prove for a reason. It is evidence that they reached a decision and the interview with Flores was a sham. As I noted, other explanations can be conceived of, based on what BB heard and was told and who told him. But on its face it is some evidence to support the claim Flores makes about his interview being not in good faith, and a violation of the Rooney Rule.
"On its face".
Where this "case" will flop.
The Giants had decided that they wanted an offensive minded coach, not a defensive minded coach. Flores can try to prove otherwise, but he won't be able to do so. That is all the Giants need to say. He wasn't what we were looking for, and we thought, okay, let's see if he can change our minds. He didn't. On him, not them.
He wants to be Curt Flood. He's not.
He had three OC's in three seasons in Miami. Why??
And why did he stop talking to his own staff. In NOVEMBER?
It is being reported by Dolphins beat writer Marcel Louis-Jacques of ESPN that Former Miami Dolphins Head Coach stopped communicating to his coaching staff around Thanksgiving time. Per Louis-Jacques,
He stopped communicating with his staff somewhere around really Thanksgiving and even about things like daily meeting plans.
https://dolphinstalk.com/2022/01/brian-flores-stopped-talking-to-his-staff-around-thanksgiving/ (https://dolphinstalk.com/2022/01/brian-flores-stopped-talking-to-his-staff-around-thanksgiving/)
Maybe he's just a guy who cannot get along with others. And who wants that persona as their head coach? Oh, wait...he's black, better give him a chance because of his skin color.
That's fucked up. The Rooney Rule is racist.
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The Washington Football Team has a new nickname....
The Washington Commanders
Commanders is code for Commanders-in-chief (DC ese)
Chief is short for REDskins.
IOW THE Washington RedSkins live on.
They considered Liars and crooks, but it just didn't seem catchy enough.
I thought Washington Lobbyists would work....the DC. K Street crowd would chip in for the free PR!
Their goal was to aim for a more inclusive presence within the organization. "Commanders" is an authoritarian term. I'd say they've failed to reach their goal. Lobbyists might have been better, as it seems everyone has a lobby in DC.
Red Hogs, which many of their fans like, would include lobbyists.
But PETA would be upset, as would those who advocate for colors other than Red.
Until they get a QB, I think their fans will call them by many different names.
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Commands at the Washington Football Team: I command you not to look at or speak to Daniel Snyder! I command you to get some more lewd pics into that video! I command you to sit next to me so I can grab your thigh.
Gee, maybe that name really works.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/six-former-washington-employees-make-new-allegations-against-daniel-snyder-at-u-s-house-committee-hearing/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/six-former-washington-employees-make-new-allegations-against-daniel-snyder-at-u-s-house-committee-hearing/)
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All kinds of thoughts on Bellechick in this matter was it just an honest mistake?
One thing for sure - Flores was more flustered going into the interview due to BB's gaffe.
Giants today say that BB is full of beans since they had only spoken to Daboll for 20 minutes via Zoom prior to meeting with Flores - and would never hire someone off just that one contact.
And ELWAY says Flores is full of beans as well regarding his interview with the Broncos (tale of DEN execs including Elway showing up late and "disheveled and hung over".
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All kinds of thoughts on Bellechick in this matter was it just an honest mistake?
One thing for sure - Flores was more flustered going into the interview due to BB's gaffe.
Giants today say that BB is full of beans since they had only spoken to Daboll for 20 minutes via Zoom prior to meeting with Flores - and would never hire someone off just that one contact.
And ELWAY says Flores is full of beans as well regarding his interview with the Broncos (tale of DEN execs including Elway showing up late and "disheveled and hung over".
Well, of course there are denials. The real question is how BB knew that the Gs would hire Daboll? Who told him, and why? Those are the questions that need to be answered, unless you are Forrest and will accept the word of whites in power over the claims of an African American evwry time, without question. There are a range of possible answers from innocent to damning. What apparently has never been denied is that BB texted Daboll was going to be hired by the Gs before Flores was interviewed and the Gs hired Daboll. That is definitely suspicious and needs investigation.
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And Bellechick text proves this?
The official hire of Daboll was when?
And the Flores interview?
Was Flores given the chance to knock the Giants socks off? To show Schoen he had something other than years HC experience that Daboll lacked?
I would say YES. He was.
No, the Belechick tests are evidence that the interview was a sham interview designed to pay mere lip service to the Rooney Rule. There are reasons to question what BB actually knew and how, of course, but they do show the Giants made the decision to hire Daboll before ever interviewing Flores.
Uh, no. They don't prove that at all.
You can be high on a candidate, and then say, wait...we gotta look at one more, and then say, well, we still like the other guy.
So prove that wasn't the case.
I did not use the word prove for a reason. It is evidence that they reached a decision and the interview with Flores was a sham. As I noted, other explanations can be conceived of, based on what BB heard and was told and who told him. But on its face it is some evidence to support the claim Flores makes about his interview being not in good faith, and a violation of the Rooney Rule.
"On its face".
Where this "case" will flop.
The Giants had decided that they wanted an offensive minded coach, not a defensive minded coach. Flores can try to prove otherwise, but he won't be able to do so. That is all the Giants need to say. He wasn't what we were looking for, and we thought, okay, let's see if he can change our minds. He didn't. On him, not them.
He wants to be Curt Flood. He's not.
He had three OC's in three seasons in Miami. Why??
And why did he stop talking to his own staff. In NOVEMBER?
It is being reported by Dolphins beat writer Marcel Louis-Jacques of ESPN that Former Miami Dolphins Head Coach stopped communicating to his coaching staff around Thanksgiving time. Per Louis-Jacques,
He stopped communicating with his staff somewhere around really Thanksgiving and even about things like daily meeting plans.
https://dolphinstalk.com/2022/01/brian-flores-stopped-talking-to-his-staff-around-thanksgiving/ (https://dolphinstalk.com/2022/01/brian-flores-stopped-talking-to-his-staff-around-thanksgiving/)
Maybe he's just a guy who cannot get along with others. And who wants that persona as their head coach? Oh, wait...he's black, better give him a chance because of his skin color.
That's fucked up. The Rooney Rule is racist.
Is there any chance the Players Union has a role in any of this?
No. Coaches are not in the Union and I do not believe the Rooney Rule is a part of the CBA.
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All kinds of thoughts on Bellechick in this matter was it just an honest mistake?
One thing for sure - Flores was more flustered going into the interview due to BB's gaffe.
Giants today say that BB is full of beans since they had only spoken to Daboll for 20 minutes via Zoom prior to meeting with Flores - and would never hire someone off just that one contact.
And ELWAY says Flores is full of beans as well regarding his interview with the Broncos (tale of DEN execs including Elway showing up late and "disheveled and hung over".
Well, of course there are denials. The real question is how BB knew that the Gs would hire Daboll? Who told him, and why? Those are the questions that need to be answered, unless you are Forrest and will accept the word of whites in power over the claims of an African American evwry time, without question. There are a range of possible answers from innocent to damning. What apparently has never been denied is that BB texted Daboll was going to be hired by the Gs before Flores was interviewed and the Gs hired Daboll. That is definitely suspicious and needs investigation.
Giants have answered thi
Cant you see this as Mara and BB had a conversation where Mara said he really liked Dabol (this after just the 20 minute meeting). BB takes that and runs with it, texting who he thought was Daboll a congratulatory, "I heard they really like you, that's great".....
Anything else is either sinister on BB's part or reeks of a Giants lie. Are you calling them liars?
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https://theathletic.com/3108864/2022/02/03/lloyd-hue-jacksons-complaints-against-browns-resemble-his-coaching-career-they-both-fall-short/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983
Flores may have an argument, but Hue Jackson's claims don't support it, argues this article.
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Hue going 1-31 and claiming he got offered money to lose is just WAY funny. Let it not be lost on anyone either that Flores started 0-7 that first season. May have felt guilty after tanking the first seven for cash (was 25-18 afterward, to his credit)
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The money for losse thing is the funniest part of this all - especially that it allegedly happened in the league more than once.
Owner certainly would never fess up to either offering or actually paying it out. Coach would never admit if he took the cash. So what we are left with is Flores and Jackson's accusations toward ownership - same guys that let them go from their jobs - not a good look. Now, if there was a third party that knew of actual payment...
NFL is a mess, between race/gender, officiating, fan hatred on players, social media out of control, etc......but BUCKS and interest are still there, so its a muddy survival to say the least.
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All kinds of thoughts on Bellechick in this matter was it just an honest mistake?
One thing for sure - Flores was more flustered going into the interview due to BB's gaffe.
Giants today say that BB is full of beans since they had only spoken to Daboll for 20 minutes via Zoom prior to meeting with Flores - and would never hire someone off just that one contact.
And ELWAY says Flores is full of beans as well regarding his interview with the Broncos (tale of DEN execs including Elway showing up late and "disheveled and hung over".
Well, of course there are denials. The real question is how BB knew that the Gs would hire Daboll? Who told him, and why? Those are the questions that need to be answered, unless you are Forrest and will accept the word of whites in power over the claims of an African American evwry time, without question. There are a range of possible answers from innocent to damning. What apparently has never been denied is that BB texted Daboll was going to be hired by the Gs before Flores was interviewed and the Gs hired Daboll. That is definitely suspicious and needs investigation.
Giants have answered thi
Cant you see this as Mara and BB had a conversation where Mara said he really liked Dabol (this after just the 20 minute meeting). BB takes that and runs with it, texting who he thought was Daboll a congratulatory, "I heard they really like you, that's great".....
Anything else is either sinister on BB's part or reeks of a Giants lie. Are you calling them liars?
As I said there are innocent and guilty explanations for BBs comment. What we know is that BB made the comment in his mistaken emails. To learn the truth we need to learn what BB based his comments on. And I tend to neither believe nor disbelieve denials without more to go on.
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Kuntzler is using the "when did you stop beating your wife" method of analysis for this one.
His hatred is getting the best of him.
Funny,though, he was a lotess lathered about all that confirmed sex abuse at MSU.
Try waiting for more facts, Kuntzler, before rushing to judgement.
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Heh. Forrest, who has already sided with the white power structure over the African American man, accuses someone else of rushing to judgement.
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Based on available information, with an understanding that further data may influence this opinion...
I am pretty well convinced that Flores' interview was a sham in the sense that the Giants had already decided to hire somebody else. I don't think it involved conscious racism, if it involved racism at all.
In their shoes, I would have responded to his accusation the following way:
1) It is true that we had already decided to hire somebody else. The Rooney rule requires us to interview, not to hire, minority applicants. And we did not cancel our interview with you upon our making that decision because of the Rooney Rule, but also because we anticipated this sort of accusation.
2) We also interviewed you because we wanted to hear what you had to say about what you would do. We were sincerely curious about your thoughts and thought it would be a cheap way to pick your brain. Obviously, we were wrong on the latter point - the cost is far higher than we expected.
The claim that the Rooney Rule is racist is laughably wrong-headed but, as already posted in tother thread, totally predictable. Affirmative Action efforts are a response to endemic racism.
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Heh. Forrest, who has already sided with the white power structure over the African American man, accuses someone else of rushing to judgement.
It's important for you to try to maintain your status as a knee-jerk leftist, so have at it, asshole.
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Based on available information, with an understanding that further data may influence this opinion...
I am pretty well convinced that Flores' interview was a sham in the sense that the Giants had already decided to hire somebody else. I don't think it involved conscious racism, if it involved racism at all.
In their shoes, I would have responded to his accusation the following way:
1) It is true that we had already decided to hire somebody else. The Rooney rule requires us to interview, not to hire, minority applicants. And we did not cancel our interview with you upon our making that decision because of the Rooney Rule, but also because we anticipated this sort of accusation.
2) We also interviewed you because we wanted to hear what you had to say about what you would do. We were sincerely curious about your thoughts and thought it would be a cheap way to pick your brain. Obviously, we were wrong on the latter point - the cost is far higher than we expected.
The claim that the Rooney Rule is racist is laughably wrong-headed but, as already posted in tother thread, totally predictable. Affirmative Action efforts are a response to endemic racism.
But they hadn't decided. So there's that.
Rooney Rule is racist as currently constructed, no laughing needed, because it is not going far enough to meet its objectives.
https://triblive.com/sports/steelers-president-art-rooney-ii-addresses-progress-shortcomings-with-rooney-rule/ (https://triblive.com/sports/steelers-president-art-rooney-ii-addresses-progress-shortcomings-with-rooney-rule/)
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Based on available information, with an understanding that further data may influence this opinion...
I am pretty well convinced that Flores' interview was a sham in the sense that the Giants had already decided to hire somebody else. I don't think it involved conscious racism, if it involved racism at all.
In their shoes, I would have responded to his accusation the following way:
1) It is true that we had already decided to hire somebody else. The Rooney rule requires us to interview, not to hire, minority applicants. And we did not cancel our interview with you upon our making that decision because of the Rooney Rule, but also because we anticipated this sort of accusation.
2) We also interviewed you because we wanted to hear what you had to say about what you would do. We were sincerely curious about your thoughts and thought it would be a cheap way to pick your brain. Obviously, we were wrong on the latter point - the cost is far higher than we expected.
The claim that the Rooney Rule is racist is laughably wrong-headed but, as already posted in tother thread, totally predictable. Affirmative Action efforts are a response to endemic racism.
But they hadn't decided. So there's that.
How do you know that, Ham?
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Based on available information, with an understanding that further data may influence this opinion...
I am pretty well convinced that Flores' interview was a sham in the sense that the Giants had already decided to hire somebody else. I don't think it involved conscious racism, if it involved racism at all.
In their shoes, I would have responded to his accusation the following way:
1) It is true that we had already decided to hire somebody else. The Rooney rule requires us to interview, not to hire, minority applicants. And we did not cancel our interview with you upon our making that decision because of the Rooney Rule, but also because we anticipated this sort of accusation.
2) We also interviewed you because we wanted to hear what you had to say about what you would do. We were sincerely curious about your thoughts and thought it would be a cheap way to pick your brain. Obviously, we were wrong on the latter point - the cost is far higher than we expected.
The claim that the Rooney Rule is racist is laughably wrong-headed but, as already posted in tother thread, totally predictable. Affirmative Action efforts are a response to endemic racism.
But they hadn't decided. So there's that.
How do you know that, Ham?
BECAUSE, unlike you, I have inside information.
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The allegation that the Giants' decision had been made prior to Friday evening, January 28, is false. And to base that allegation on a text exchange with Bill Belichick in which he ultimately states that he "thinks" Brian Daboll would get the job is irresponsible. The text exchange occurred the day before Coach Daboll's in-person interview even took place. Giants' ownership would never hire a head coach based only on a 20-minute zoom interview, which is all that Mr. Daboll had at that point.
In addition, Mr. Belichick does not speak for and has no affiliation with the Giants. Mr. Belichick's text exchange provides no insight into what actually transpired during our head coaching search.
It has been well documented how much research and due diligence we did on Mr. Flores as it related to his candidacy. John Mara called Mr. Flores two days after he was dismissed in Miami. Mr. Mara expressed to Mr. Flores in that January 12 call that once we had our new general manager in place, we would begin the process of hiring our head coach and we wanted to meet with Mr. Flores because we considered him a serious candidate for the position. Mr. Mara and Mr. Flores then had their first formal conversation in a 25-30 minute zoom call on January 18 (at Mr. Flores' request) to further discuss his candidacy.
In between those initial conversations and Mr. Flores' in-person interview on January 27, there were several other communications between Mr. Flores and members of our organization. This included a dinner with our newly hired general manager, Joe Schoen, the night before Mr. Flores's in-person interview. The consensus from within the Giants organization after this dinner remained that Mr. Flores was an outstanding candidate, and we looked forward to sitting down with him in person the next day.
Our hiring process and, most certainly, our consideration of Mr. Flores was serious and genuine. We are disappointed to learn that Mr. Flores was under the mistaken impression the job had already been awarded.
https://www.giants.com/news/statement-from-the-new-york-giants-february-3 (https://www.giants.com/news/statement-from-the-new-york-giants-february-3)
This official statement from the Giants is in line with what I was told by sources I shall not name.
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All kinds of thoughts on Bellechick in this matter was it just an honest mistake?
One thing for sure - Flores was more flustered going into the interview due to BB's gaffe.
Giants today say that BB is full of beans since they had only spoken to Daboll for 20 minutes via Zoom prior to meeting with Flores - and would never hire someone off just that one contact.
And ELWAY says Flores is full of beans as well regarding his interview with the Broncos (tale of DEN execs including Elway showing up late and "disheveled and hung over".
Well, of course there are denials. The real question is how BB knew that the Gs would hire Daboll? Who told him, and why? Those are the questions that need to be answered, unless you are Forrest and will accept the word of whites in power over the claims of an African American evwry time, without question. There are a range of possible answers from innocent to damning. What apparently has never been denied is that BB texted Daboll was going to be hired by the Gs before Flores was interviewed and the Gs hired Daboll. That is definitely suspicious and needs investigation.
"If" they can get a credible witness within the Giant's org that will testify. If not, I would think the law would say "heresay" at best. Yeah it "looks" damning but in the end you need a source or you got squat.
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Based on available information, with an understanding that further data may influence this opinion...
I am pretty well convinced that Flores' interview was a sham in the sense that the Giants had already decided to hire somebody else. I don't think it involved conscious racism, if it involved racism at all.
In their shoes, I would have responded to his accusation the following way:
1) It is true that we had already decided to hire somebody else. The Rooney rule requires us to interview, not to hire, minority applicants. And we did not cancel our interview with you upon our making that decision because of the Rooney Rule, but also because we anticipated this sort of accusation.
2) We also interviewed you because we wanted to hear what you had to say about what you would do. We were sincerely curious about your thoughts and thought it would be a cheap way to pick your brain. Obviously, we were wrong on the latter point - the cost is far higher than we expected.
The claim that the Rooney Rule is racist is laughably wrong-headed but, as already posted in tother thread, totally predictable. Affirmative Action efforts are a response to endemic racism.
But they hadn't decided. So there's that.
How do you know that, Ham?
BECAUSE, unlike you, I have inside information.
Uh huh.
How swell for you.
Unless you were there when the decision was made, you have at best insider "what we want you to believe," Ham. You would hardly be the first person mislead in such a circumstance.
Further, you would be among the first to reject another person's unsubstantiated claims to "inside information."
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Based on available information, with an understanding that further data may influence this opinion...
I am pretty well convinced that Flores' interview was a sham in the sense that the Giants had already decided to hire somebody else. I don't think it involved conscious racism, if it involved racism at all.
In their shoes, I would have responded to his accusation the following way:
1) It is true that we had already decided to hire somebody else. The Rooney rule requires us to interview, not to hire, minority applicants. And we did not cancel our interview with you upon our making that decision because of the Rooney Rule, but also because we anticipated this sort of accusation.
2) We also interviewed you because we wanted to hear what you had to say about what you would do. We were sincerely curious about your thoughts and thought it would be a cheap way to pick your brain. Obviously, we were wrong on the latter point - the cost is far higher than we expected.
The claim that the Rooney Rule is racist is laughably wrong-headed but, as already posted in tother thread, totally predictable. Affirmative Action efforts are a response to endemic racism.
But they hadn't decided. So there's that.
How do you know that, Ham?
Because white people are denying racism and he always - ALWAYS - believes that black people claiming racism are the real racists.
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The allegation that the Giants' decision had been made prior to Friday evening, January 28, is false. And to base that allegation on a text exchange with Bill Belichick in which he ultimately states that he "thinks" Brian Daboll would get the job is irresponsible. The text exchange occurred the day before Coach Daboll's in-person interview even took place. Giants' ownership would never hire a head coach based only on a 20-minute zoom interview, which is all that Mr. Daboll had at that point.
In addition, Mr. Belichick does not speak for and has no affiliation with the Giants. Mr. Belichick's text exchange provides no insight into what actually transpired during our head coaching search.
It has been well documented how much research and due diligence we did on Mr. Flores as it related to his candidacy. John Mara called Mr. Flores two days after he was dismissed in Miami. Mr. Mara expressed to Mr. Flores in that January 12 call that once we had our new general manager in place, we would begin the process of hiring our head coach and we wanted to meet with Mr. Flores because we considered him a serious candidate for the position. Mr. Mara and Mr. Flores then had their first formal conversation in a 25-30 minute zoom call on January 18 (at Mr. Flores' request) to further discuss his candidacy.
In between those initial conversations and Mr. Flores' in-person interview on January 27, there were several other communications between Mr. Flores and members of our organization. This included a dinner with our newly hired general manager, Joe Schoen, the night before Mr. Flores's in-person interview. The consensus from within the Giants organization after this dinner remained that Mr. Flores was an outstanding candidate, and we looked forward to sitting down with him in person the next day.
Our hiring process and, most certainly, our consideration of Mr. Flores was serious and genuine. We are disappointed to learn that Mr. Flores was under the mistaken impression the job had already been awarded.
https://www.giants.com/news/statement-from-the-new-york-giants-february-3 (https://www.giants.com/news/statement-from-the-new-york-giants-february-3)
This official statement from the Giants is in line with what I was told by sources I shall not name.
Sources I shall not name have told me that the Giants had already decided on Daboll and were going to interview Flores as a sham to make it appear they were in compliance with the Rooney Rule, but they had no inte tion of.ever considering him. And I am confident my source is as good as yours, in that they are both entirely notional.
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This could change the game altogether:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/04/arbitration-clause-could-quickly-derail-the-brian-flores-lawsuit/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/04/arbitration-clause-could-quickly-derail-the-brian-flores-lawsuit/)
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The allegation that the Giants' decision had been made prior to Friday evening, January 28, is false. And to base that allegation on a text exchange with Bill Belichick in which he ultimately states that he "thinks" Brian Daboll would get the job is irresponsible. The text exchange occurred the day before Coach Daboll's in-person interview even took place. Giants' ownership would never hire a head coach based only on a 20-minute zoom interview, which is all that Mr. Daboll had at that point.
In addition, Mr. Belichick does not speak for and has no affiliation with the Giants. Mr. Belichick's text exchange provides no insight into what actually transpired during our head coaching search.
It has been well documented how much research and due diligence we did on Mr. Flores as it related to his candidacy. John Mara called Mr. Flores two days after he was dismissed in Miami. Mr. Mara expressed to Mr. Flores in that January 12 call that once we had our new general manager in place, we would begin the process of hiring our head coach and we wanted to meet with Mr. Flores because we considered him a serious candidate for the position. Mr. Mara and Mr. Flores then had their first formal conversation in a 25-30 minute zoom call on January 18 (at Mr. Flores' request) to further discuss his candidacy.
In between those initial conversations and Mr. Flores' in-person interview on January 27, there were several other communications between Mr. Flores and members of our organization. This included a dinner with our newly hired general manager, Joe Schoen, the night before Mr. Flores's in-person interview. The consensus from within the Giants organization after this dinner remained that Mr. Flores was an outstanding candidate, and we looked forward to sitting down with him in person the next day.
Our hiring process and, most certainly, our consideration of Mr. Flores was serious and genuine. We are disappointed to learn that Mr. Flores was under the mistaken impression the job had already been awarded.
https://www.giants.com/news/statement-from-the-new-york-giants-february-3 (https://www.giants.com/news/statement-from-the-new-york-giants-february-3)
This official statement from the Giants is in line with what I was told by sources I shall not name.
Sources I shall not name have told me that the Giants had already decided on Daboll and were going to interview Flores as a sham to make it appear they were in compliance with the Rooney Rule, but they had no inte tion of.ever considering him. And I am confident my source is as good as yours, in that they are both entirely notional.
Well. You're simply unaware.
Ignorant.
Out of the loop.
Grandstanding.
Lying.
Full of shit.
What else is new?
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Sources I shall not name have told me that the Giants had already decided on Daboll and were going to interview Flores as a sham to make it appear they were in compliance with the Rooney Rule, but they had no intention of ever considering him. And I am confident my source is as good as yours, in that they are both entirely notional.
Having no intention of hiring the black man is STILL in compliance with the rule.
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Daboll is obviously tied to the new GM
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Super Bowl in AZ in 2023?
This guy says NO!
In 1992 Arizona voters approved an MLK holiday and the league granted Arizona the 1996 Super Bowl.
That was a good thing.
But while we have the holiday, a symbol of justice and equality, we continue to deal with an ugly reality.
How would Dr. King feel, I wonder, about the NFL granting a Super Bowl to a state where minority voters were under attack and teachers couldn
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-59881432
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No pick for me today -
7-5, 6 - 6 finish for playoffs . Just gonna enjoy this one. QBs with 2 good stories.
Who gets the ring, Giants fans? Eli Apple or OBJ? Heh.
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I predict a Bengals win, but under, not over.
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Here we go already - coaches reinventing the damn game
Just punt the fucking ball.
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Hmm
Mixon throws wide open TD pass
Nice Bengal reinvention
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Oh shit they just praised the ref. Something crazy must now happen.
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Good game.
Better team won, barely.
Beat the spread and the score was under.
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Not sure why they didn't take the time to review the spot after 3rd and 1.
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Not sure why they didn't take the time to review the spot after 3rd and 1.
They, the Refs? Because adjustments of that sort almost never happen in the last 2 minutes.
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Congrats to Stafford.
Burrow with his OSU training will be there soon.
Great NFL Playoff for a change
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fraSdN-PG8
Sports Go Sports by Garfunkel and Oates.
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A Super Bowl record seven sacks for LA. Maybe, just maybe, spending a premium first round pick on a WR when you have one of the worst OLs in the league is a decision some may justly question.
True mildly interesting fact: Cinci lost its first SB by 5, its second by 4, this one by 3. If they make the SB 4 more times, they might win one.
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Congrats to Stafford.
Burrow with his OSU training will be there soon.
Great NFL Playoff for a change
If Burrow had stayed at OSU, he'd not be in the NFL.
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A Super Bowl record seven sacks for LA. Maybe, just maybe, spending a premium first round pick on a WR when you have one of the worst OLs in the league is a decision some may justly question.
True mildly interesting fact: Cinci lost its first SB by 5, its second by 4, this one by 3. If they make the SB 4 more times, they might win one.
Stick to CFB.
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Burrow with his OSU training will be there soon.
BURROW = MARINO
Will never be back.
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Burrow with his OSU training will be there soon.
BURROW = MARINO
Will never be back.
He was sacked 70 times this year, counting the post season. He has averaged being sacked 3 times a game. That is not sustainable from a health standpoint. He was already hurt once. If the Bangles do not invest in some OL talent around him the hero will definitely take a fall, and his career arc will be Tim Couch, not Dan Marino.
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A Super Bowl record seven sacks for LA. Maybe, just maybe, spending a premium first round pick on a WR when you have one of the worst OLs in the league is a decision some may justly question.
True mildly interesting fact: Cinci lost its first SB by 5, its second by 4, this one by 3. If they make the SB 4 more times, they might win one.
The third one might prevent the 4th to happen - can't lose by 0.
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Don't know which was the bigger joke. The halftime show or the phantom defensive holding call against the Bengals on third down on the Rams last drive. Instead of 4th and game they get a new set of downs
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Yep
Would have scored anyway - you get the feeling. If not they had 3 timeouts left
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Yep
Would have scored anyway - you get the feeling. If not they had 3 timeouts left
I didn't have the feeling that they would have scored anyway.
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Don't know which was the bigger joke. The halftime show or the phantom defensive holding call against the Bengals on third down on the Rams last drive. Instead of 4th and game they get a new set of downs
Well, maybe a make up for missing T Higgins obvious face mask on Ramsey on his second td catch.
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Don't know which was the bigger joke. The halftime show or the phantom defensive holding call against the Bengals on third down on the Rams last drive. Instead of 4th and game they get a new set of downs
Well, maybe a make up for missing T Higgins obvious face mask on Ramsey on his second td catch.
There was the obvious missed defensive holding by the Rams that forced Cinn to kick a field goal instead of a first and goal on their first scoring drive. The thing is they were letting things go all game and at the very end call a phantom defensive holding penalty
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Don't know which was the bigger joke. The halftime show or the phantom defensive holding call against the Bengals on third down on the Rams last drive. Instead of 4th and game they get a new set of downs
But they got a facemask TD, so there's that. And they couldn't give their QB enough time to keep the ball away from LA.
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And with the game on the line the best player on the field made back to back big plays.
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Was he offside on one of them?
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He was offside on one of them. I've also seen the footage now that almost the entire Rams line jumped the snap on the phantom foul third down call against the Bengals
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Was he offside on one of them?
No. For the record, I was referring to Aaron Donald.
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Congrats to Stafford.
Burrow with his OSU training will be there soon.
Great NFL Playoff for a change
If Burrow had stayed at OSU, he'd not be in the NFL.
Maybe. But you're right Urban Meyer didn't recognize what he had.
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Don't know which was the bigger joke. The halftime show or the phantom defensive holding call against the Bengals on third down on the Rams last drive. Instead of 4th and game they get a new set of downs
Yep.
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Don't know which was the bigger joke. The halftime show or the phantom defensive holding call against the Bengals on third down on the Rams last drive. Instead of 4th and game they get a new set of downs
Well, maybe a make up for missing T Higgins obvious face mask on Ramsey on his second td catch.
Maybe. But as the old saying goes, two wrongs don't make a right.
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Don't know which was the bigger joke. The halftime show or the phantom defensive holding call against the Bengals on third down on the Rams last drive. Instead of 4th and game they get a new set of downs
Well, maybe a make up for missing T Higgins obvious face mask on Ramsey on his second td catch.
There was the obvious missed defensive holding by the Rams that forced Cinn to kick a field goal instead of a first and goal on their first scoring drive. The thing is they were letting things go all game and at the very end call a phantom defensive holding penalty
Yep again.
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Was he offside on one of them?
No. For the record, I was referring to Aaron Donald.
I saw a photo that showed Donald lined up offside. At least that's what I was referring to😀😀
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My Cleveland Browns draft thanks to PFF:
13. Tyler Linderbaum, C
45. George Pickens WR
77. Boye Mafe, Edge
104. Skyye Moore, WR
115. Bailey Zappe, QB
154. Micah McFadden LB
191. Tariq Woolen, CB
Admiedly the last couple are kind of blind. I figured the draft is long on WR, a big need, and could get a couple later, so I went with Linderbaum. Specifically, I gambled Pickens, who healthy may be the best 9f the lot, would be a ailable in the Second. Was tempted by Moore in the 3rd, but could not let Mafe drop, and.when Moore fell to the 4th, had to have him. I think Zappe is a good developmental prospect at.QB, though I doubt he has the arm to be a true star. And then I guessed.
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Bailey Zappe
Is he related to George Zipp?
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Bailey Zappe
Is he related to George Zipp?
Win one for the Zapper.
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My Cleveland Browns draft thanks to PFF:
13. Tyler Linderbaum, C
45. George Pickens WR
77. Boye Mafe, Edge
104. Skyye Moore, WR
115. Bailey Zappe, QB
154. Micah McFadden LB
191. Tariq Woolen, CB
Admiedly the last couple are kind of blind. I figured the draft is long on WR, a big need, and could get a couple later, so I went with Linderbaum. Specifically, I gambled Pickens, who healthy may be the best 9f the lot, would be a ailable in the Second. Was tempted by Moore in the 3rd, but could not let Mafe drop, and.when Moore fell to the 4th, had to have him. I think Zappe is a good developmental prospect at.QB, though I doubt he has the arm to be a true star. And then I guessed.
Decent draft considering PPF's list of available players is woefully thin.
Try this one:
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/ (https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/)
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My Cleveland Browns draft thanks to PFF:
13. Tyler Linderbaum, C
45. George Pickens WR
77. Boye Mafe, Edge
104. Skyye Moore, WR
115. Bailey Zappe, QB
154. Micah McFadden LB
191. Tariq Woolen, CB
Admiedly the last couple are kind of blind. I figured the draft is long on WR, a big need, and could get a couple later, so I went with Linderbaum. Specifically, I gambled Pickens, who healthy may be the best 9f the lot, would be a ailable in the Second. Was tempted by Moore in the 3rd, but could not let Mafe drop, and.when Moore fell to the 4th, had to have him. I think Zappe is a good developmental prospect at.QB, though I doubt he has the arm to be a true star. And then I guessed.
Decent draft considering PPF's list of available players is woefully thin.
Try this one:
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/ (https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/)
Nice site. What I have noticed with both sites is if I draft Linderbaum or Davis at 13, I wind up liking my draft overall much better than if I take a WR at 13.
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WFAN's Tike Barber interestingly notes Giants save cap room with a deal up to 2 to get Hutchinson.
But he would stay at 5 and 7 and take a lineman, like most.
Tike also says Jones is the QB, period. Has real good things to say about both Coughlin and Fassell - and likes the opening message from Dabol to his staff.
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I have been playing around with trades on the PFN simulator. I am not that sold on the three the WR who are likely to go at the top of the draft. I figure the sweet spot for a trade down is the early 20s. My recent draft, sending 13 to Arizona for 23, 55 and next years second (they take Gardner).
23 Treylon Burks. Close between him and Drake London, both available. When I have traded down lower, though, both are usually gone by, say, Tennessee s choice.
44 Devonte Wyatt. No chance in hell he is there irl. But he is in the simulation.
55 Boye Mafe. I think he will go before PFN has him ranked. Late middle second round seems good.
78 Daniel Faalele. Loading up on Gophers. Besides I think his name rhymes with sheleighly.
98 Quay Walker. Probably projects as a back up, but I like him.
106 Haskell Garrett. We really need more interior DL. I did not like the potential edges here.
117 Skyy Moore. Like the name.
153 Charlie Kolar. We are losing one if not two TE and are a 31 heavy team.
192 Cordell Volson. OL depth.
221 Connor Heywood. Liked his progression to TE, but undersized. I see him as an H Back, or a FB who can catch out of the backfield.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/07/sport/calvin-ridley-suspended-gambling-spt/index.html
He wasn't with the team. He was away for personal reasons.
Indefinite suspension through at least the year ahead.
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Hamilton
Giants
Please
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Absolutely HUGE NFL news today. I refer of course to the Browns putting the franchise tag on David Njoku.
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Very nice
Now trade Mayfield and you are all set.
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New mock - I like it
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-mock-draft-2022-3-round-seahawks-commanders-steelers-buccaneers/segznkorrstppuzldgybv6ec
Giants get OT and egde rusher (Go, Blue)
My man Willis goes to Seahawks at 9. Leaves Cincy's RIDDER for Steelers after they also miss out on Pickett (not good).
Jets hit the SAUCE at 10 after getting pass rusher with first election
Browns of course fumble by taking a WR and of course Cap's guy Mafe ends up with Chiefs.
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Attention Whore Brady cancels retirement.
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What retirement?
Gret for the league.
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No. Not great. Time's up. Get off the stage. That's how it works.
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Attention Whore Brady cancels retirement.
He probably figures that with the larger bases he has a lower chance of getting picked off.
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Attention Whore Brady cancels retirement.
He probably figures that with the larger bases he has a lower chance of getting picked off.
Rimshot!
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New mock - I like it
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-mock-draft-2022-3-round-seahawks-commanders-steelers-buccaneers/segznkorrstppuzldgybv6ec
Giants get OT and egde rusher (Go, Blue)
My man Willis goes to Seahawks at 9. Leaves Cincy's RIDDER for Steelers after they also miss out on Pickett (not good).
Jets hit the SAUCE at 10 after getting pass rusher with first election
Browns of course fumble by taking a WR ...
Not anymore. Looking at that draft, probably an Edge, even with Wicomico. Or.especially with him. Though given the release of President Trotter, maybe Linderbaum.
Wow, that is an odd autocorrect.
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Accused serial abuser Watson has limited his choice to Atlanta or Nawlins. So we dodged a bullet there.
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Baker Mayfield is in the awkward position of having burned his bridges when he was still on the far side of the river.
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Accused serial abuser Watson has limited his choice to Atlanta or Nawlins. So we dodged a bullet there.
Southern fuck.
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Accused serial abuser Watson has limited his choice to Atlanta or Nawlins. So we dodged a bullet there.
Accused does not mean convicted, does it? Or has the radical left changed the meaning of that word, too?
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Accused serial abuser Watson has limited his choice to Atlanta or Nawlins. So we dodged a bullet there.
Accused does not mean convicted, does it? Or has the radical left changed the meaning of that word, too?
Did I write convicted, Forrest?
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Wait... what?
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Accused serial abuser Watson has limited his choice to Atlanta or Nawlins. So we dodged a bullet there.
Just a flesh wound.
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Accused serial abuser Watson has limited his choice to Atlanta or Nawlins. So we dodged a bullet there.
Just a flesh wound.
The accused serial abuser is the only QB they passed on in the draft in those years that in real time I wanted them to take. But with what is hanging over him I would not have touched him.
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On the bright side, I can ignore Mock Draft stories for the next three years.
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Wait... what?
Hahahahahahah
Funny stuff, eh, Whisk.
Embrace it - you guys may be very good. Though drafts night may suck.
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Wait... what?
Hahahahahahah
Funny stuff, eh, Whisk.
Embrace it - you guys may be very good. Though drafts night may suck.
Oh, I liked Baker more then a lot of people but Watson is a significant improvement, which is important in a division with Burrow and Jackson and a conference with Mahomes and Allen. I do not like it in terms of draft.capital given up and hate it in terms of what if even some of the allegations are true. If only the thought that Roethlisberger got a 6 game suspension for one sexual assault allegation where nothing was proven in civil or criminal court..what do you get for.24? And to invest that much in someone with all that over him, and make him the face of the franchise? Granted, watching him play down the road next February might make it worth it.
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I dont thik the NFL comes down too hard on Watson. 6 games. Depending on if he wanted to appeal as Ben did.
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I dont thik the NFL comes down too hard on Watson
Didnt Ben pay (settle) to get charges dropped? Sort of an admission of guilt?
Well, there may be a reason for that 45 mil signing bonus.
From a legal standpoint, settlement is not an admission and there are a lot of reasons people settle. Roethlisberger got suspended based on an independent investigation. I assume the Browns did due diligence - Andrew Berry and Peter Brand seem to know what they are doing - and are comfortable with Watson and potential penalties.
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Traded Keenum, brought in Bassett, which strikes me as a move you make when you think your QB is going to miss 6 to 8 games.
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Matty Ice to Baltimore!
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Updated picks board after that deal
https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-draft-every-team-s-full-set-of-picks
Great job by Falcons, who turn and add Mariotta.
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Wow!
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10016002-report-chiefs-tyreek-hill-traded-to-dolphins-for-5-draft-picks-including-2022-1st
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Maybe is because he has pissed me off for years on my fantasy teams, but Tyreek Hill for Juju Smith-Shuster does not seem like an improvement.
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Hahaha
Only the JETS could make headlines that they were in talks to get a key All Pro (Hill), then have the guy go to a division rival just one day later
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Patriots to let Providence use team jet for game. Class act by a Class organization
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10031291-buccaneers-bruce-arians-retires-from-coaching-todd-bowles-named-replacement
Apparently the timing of Arians' decision and Brady's unretirement is suspicious to some - though whether there is causality involved or not is a matter of conjecture.
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I rejoice at the change in OT rules which now allow both teams at least one possession in the overtime period.
It's about fucking time!
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While the NFL improved their OT rules, MLB has decided to keep their ghost baserunner in extra innings.
I am not a fan of that gimmick.
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Accused serial abuser Watson has limited his choice to Atlanta or Nawlins. So we dodged a bullet there.
Accused does not mean convicted, does it? Or has the radical left changed the meaning of that word, too?
Did I write convicted, Forrest?
Did I say you did, Kuntzler?
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Giants CANNOT let Drake London fall to Jets at 10.
Make them pick him at 4 if they want the guy as badly as it seems.
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Giants CANNOT let Drake London fall to Jets at 10.
Make them pick him at 4 if they want the guy as badly as it seems.
How does one make them do anything?
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By taking him at 7 you prevent the Jets from getting London at 10. Thus YES, they needed to take him at 4
https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three
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By taking him at 7 you prevent the Jets from getting London at 10. Thus YES, they needed to take him at 4
https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three
Um... that's a great time travel paradox, but it doesn't actually work. You can threaten to take him at 7 all you would like, but at 4 they don't know what you will do and they may not believe your threats.
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Exactly.
And we make them pay for it.
What I was saying.....
He who gets London does welll, I think.
As well as if they had picked someone else in that slot? Can be debated, as always.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/09/sport/dwayne-haskins-steelers-death-spt-intl/index.html
Wow!
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By taking him at 7 you prevent the Jets from getting London at 10. Thus YES, they needed to take him at 4
https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three
I still prefer Neal and then either Linderbaum or Green. Not a popular combination with many, but IMO eminently practical.
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Lindebaum to Round 2 in latest NFL.com mock
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Do you think the giants and jets both pass on Evan Neal?
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IF they are wise.
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Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?
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Well.....
He is still the starter.
Giants cannot spend Mayfield dollars.
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Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?
Uh...no. If Mayfield couldn't handle backwater Cleveland, he would last about a day in NJ.
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Well done, NY teams.
Eagles farted.
Ravens get another stud as Hamilton drops.
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I think the Giants were the beneficiary of the Jags valuing combine numbers over production. But yes, they nailed both picks, getting the top edge rushers and OT. Baker will appreciate having Neal and Thomas.
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Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?
Uh...no. If Mayfield couldn't handle backwater Cleveland, he would last about a day in NJ.
No, Baker feeds on negativity and doubters. He will love it there.
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I think the Giants were the beneficiary of the Jags valuing combine numbers over production.
As were the Lions.
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I think the Giants were the beneficiary of the Jags valuing combine numbers over production.
As were the Lions.
I prefer Thib. I think Hutchinson will be a good, steady performer. But not a Bosa/Garrett type.
But then I did not see anyone who impressed me as a sure No. 1.
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Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?
Uh...no. If Mayfield couldn't handle backwater Cleveland, he would last about a day in NJ.
No, Baker feeds on negativity and doubters. He will love it there.
I guess Mayfield to the Giants happens tonight, if at all. Figure they would want one of this year's picks.
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Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?
Uh...no. If Mayfield couldn't handle backwater Cleveland, he would last about a day in NJ.
No, Baker feeds on negativity and doubters. He will love it there.
I guess Mayfield to the Giants happens tonight, if at all. Figure they would want one of this year's picks.
My guess is next year so they can condition it. 4th round, 3rd if he plays 75% of the snaps, 2nd if he also takes you to the playoffs, that kind of thing.
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Trevor Bauer gets suspended for two years. My first thought is, I hope Goodell is not paying attention. My second is that I suck as a person for thought number 1.
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Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?
Uh...no. If Mayfield couldn't handle backwater Cleveland, he would last about a day in NJ.
No, Baker feeds on negativity and doubters. He will love it there.
I guess Mayfield to the Giants happens tonight, if at all. Figure they would want one of this year's picks.
My guess is next year so they can condition it. 4th round, 3rd if he plays 75% of the snaps, 2nd if he also takes you to the playoffs, that kind of thing.
Right. Good info.
I dont think it will be Giants. But we shall see.
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Well, there really is no problem keeping Baker on the books for now. He counts against the cap if they release him and also if they need to eat a huge part of his salary. A team like the Giants - and I confess to some chain yanking there - or more likely Seattle could get to training camp and find him a more attractive option. Right now the leverage is against the Browns but later that could.change.
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Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?
Uh...no. If Mayfield couldn't handle backwater Cleveland, he would last about a day in NJ.
No, Baker feeds on negativity and doubters. He will love it there.
You don't know shit
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Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?
Uh...no. If Mayfield couldn't handle backwater Cleveland, he would last about a day in NJ.
No, Baker feeds on negativity and doubters. He will love it there.
You don't know shit
Not true, I know you and you are shit.
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So...no takers for Mayfield. What now?
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So...no takers for Mayfield. What now?
Cue Mick: Tiiiiime is on our side.
For now we can wait. The closer we get to training camp the more valuable he gets. Someone is getting hurt, someone is going to realize Lock or Jones or Hurts sucks, but not suck bad enough to allow them to draft C J Stroud. As long as we do not need the money or the roster spot, so we need to trade him before the 53 man cutoff date.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/media/tom-brady-fox-sports/index.html
Any bets on whether he will actually be a good announcer?!
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I've seen some of his interviews, he comes across as very likeable IMO.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/media/tom-brady-fox-sports/index.html
Any bets on whether he will actually be a good announcer?!
According to who?
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Sadly it is now known Haskins had a drinking problem
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/us/dwayne-haskins-steelers-medical-examiner-report/index.html
Did the Steelers know?
Did the league know?
Who did know- and refused to act?
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Sadly it is now known Haskins had a drinking problem
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/us/dwayne-haskins-steelers-medical-examiner-report/index.html
Did the Steelers know?
Did the league know?
Who did know- and refused to act?
Nothing in that news story says anything about a drinking problem, rather than a single night of excess. He may have had a problem, but we don't know about it at this time. OTOH, the place he was drinking had best be looking over their shoulder.
"we respectfully request and pray for privacy, for patience, and for the public to withhold any judgment during this period" doesn't seem to mean anything to you.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/media/tom-brady-fox-sports/index.html
Any bets on whether he will actually be a good announcer?!
According to who?
How does one define "good announcer"? Got a rubric for that one, josh?
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/media/tom-brady-fox-sports/index.html
Any bets on whether he will actually be a good announcer?!
According to who?
How does one define "good announcer"? Got a rubric for that one, josh?
While I am quite sure that this is a subjective area, there are still some basics.
Having a command of the game is useful. Willingness to call it as it is. Ability to listen. Ability to admit to being wrong.
Not constantly taking the team's side in a dispute.
Disagree with those?
Have any of your own?
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https://theathletic.com/3343045/2022/06/01/tom-brady-nflpa-sales
Tom Brady tops the NFLPA-connected earnings list.
Okay, that's a gross understatement. Tom Brady's take was more than numbers 2 through 4 combined.
And it was less than 20% of his off-field football-related earnings of $52 million.
As the article points out, post-Patriots he has turned on his off-field earning potential.
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https://www.audacy.com/weei/sports/patriots/cam-newton-admits-he-didnt-fully-grasp-patriots-offense
Cam Newton admits what everybody else already knew - he did not get the Patriots' offence.
He thinks there are not 32 QBs better than he is.
He is very imaginative.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/media/tom-brady-fox-sports/index.html
Any bets on whether he will actually be a good announcer?!
According to who?
How does one define "good announcer"? Got a rubric for that one, josh?
While I am quite sure that this is a subjective area, there are still some basics.
Having a command of the game is useful. Willingness to call it as it is. Ability to listen. Ability to admit to being wrong.
Not constantly taking the team's side in a dispute.
Disagree with those?
Have any of your own?
So..not Jerry Remy, then.
Okay.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/media/tom-brady-fox-sports/index.html
Any bets on whether he will actually be a good announcer?!
According to who?
How does one define "good announcer"? Got a rubric for that one, josh?
While I am quite sure that this is a subjective area, there are still some basics.
Having a command of the game is useful. Willingness to call it as it is. Ability to listen. Ability to admit to being wrong.
Not constantly taking the team's side in a dispute.
Disagree with those?
Have any of your own?
So..not Jerry Remy, then.
Okay.
No, definitely not Jerry Remy.
I neglected to include "alive" in my description.
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He was no good before and definitely not after.
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He was no good before and definitely not after.
LOL
You are a card.
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https://www.mlb.com/news/nfl-wide-receiver-golden-tate-playing-baseball
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Love it. We may see much more of this moving forward as unaffiliated pro baseball teams grow in number.
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Watson has settled 20 of the 24 civil suits against him, which should at least clear the way for the NFL to suspend him. I suspect it is a year. Serves us right.
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Bart Scott tells you what's what:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/19/bart-scott-every-defensive-player-would-rather-face-tom-brady-than-peyton-manning/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/19/bart-scott-every-defensive-player-would-rather-face-tom-brady-than-peyton-manning/)
And he's right.
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Bart Scott tells you what's what:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/19/bart-scott-every-defensive-player-would-rather-face-tom-brady-than-peyton-manning/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/19/bart-scott-every-defensive-player-would-rather-face-tom-brady-than-peyton-manning/)
And he's right.
Oddly enough, no. He just isn't.
Quick single example is Michael Strahan, who has said he feared playing Brady more than Manning.
No idea if anybody has polled them, but "every" defensive player is demonstrably false.
What else is new?
But if a guy who regularly got beaten by Brady while having a career that started later and ended a decade earlier wants to diss ol' Tom, he should go ahead and do so. It is, after all, about the clicks!
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I just became a Joe Burrow fan. Here's why: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/joe-burrow-shares-abortion-rights-222243373.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/joe-burrow-shares-abortion-rights-222243373.html)
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Joe is for COMPROMISE
Nice.
Now - explain how we could help that mother (of the 20-week non developing fetus) get her abortion while also protecting the healthy unborn.
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Joe is for COMPROMISE
Nice.
Now - explain how we could help that mother (of the 20-week non developing fetus) get her abortion while also protecting the healthy unborn.
You don't read too well.
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explain....
or is this not what you want?
is it that you want all abortions to be legal.
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Joe is for COMPROMISE
Nice.
Now - explain how we could help that mother (of the 20-week non developing fetus) get her abortion while also protecting the healthy unborn.
You REALLY don't read well.
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Interesting article the seems to indicate Watson may get a lesser suspension than the NFL wants. Or perhaps none at all.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/07/04/taking-a-closer-look-at-the-nfls-case-against-deshaun-watson/
.eanwhile, the Browns get a pick for Baker about a round later than I expected.
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It's not just that Brady is the greatest QB of all time - it's that it isn't even close.
https://abolt.newsweek.com/s/honest-best-nfl-quarterbacks
The distance between TB12 and number two is the same as the distance between number two and just above number five.
P.S. Peyton is not number two and Montana didn't make the top ten.
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Brady has always been overrated.
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Brady has always been overrated.
It's a formula.
Your argument is that results are overrated.
Good luck with that.
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It's not just that Brady is the greatest QB of all time - it's that it isn't even close.
https://abolt.newsweek.com/s/honest-best-nfl-quarterbacks
The distance between TB12 and number two is the same as the distance between number two and just above number five.
P.S. Peyton is not number two and Montana didn't make the top ten.
This is IN THE PASSING ERA.
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And Staubach is richer.
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And Staubach is richer.
So is Dwayne Johnson.
Of course, Staubach is 80. I suspect that when Staubach was Brady's age (and a few years past retirement at 38), he was not worth as much in equivalent dollars as Brady is now.
And, of course, the Brady household is richer than the Staubach household.
But wealth is not an indication of greatness in one's sport. It gives you a leg up, but that's all.
Your comment is like a response to a chart that showed LeBron to be the greatest basketball player ever (which I am not claiming, just using to make a point) and then you said:
"And Junior Bridgeman is richer."
I wonder how Ion Tiriac and Anna Kasprzak feel about this topic.
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If the discussion is about
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If you had put Peyton on the Pats, Eli would've had two losses in the Super Bowl instead of two wins.
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If you had put Peyton on the Pats, Eli would've had two losses in the Super Bowl instead of two wins.
Probably not, but the Pats would have had fewer SB appearances, having lost earlier in the playoffs.
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And Staubach is richer.
So is Dwayne Johnson.
Of course, Staubach is 80. I suspect that when Staubach was Brady's age (and a few years past retirement at 38), he was not worth as much in equivalent dollars as Brady is now.
You could check. Roger made plenty of money early.
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If you had put Peyton on the Pats, Eli would've had two losses in the Super Bowl instead of two wins.
Could very well be
Something about Eli set Tom's stomach off a bit
Heh.
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If the discussion is about
Very well said
As Jon Gielgud said in Arthur-
"I look forward to your next syllable."
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Always leave 'em wanting more.....
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Six games seems... light.
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I look forward to Watt sacking Watson on 1/8 if he lasts that long.
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Six games seems... light.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10044000-report-deshaun-watsons-camp-displeased-with-suspension-ruling-believe-in-0-games
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http://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/us/nfl-miami-dolphins-suspend/index.html
Loss of draft picks plus suspended owner.
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Six games seems... light.
Well he also has to return to the Browns for 5 years!
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Wodner why the NFL isn't coming down on Daniel Snyder and Jerry "Baby Daddy" Jones the same way it is going after Mr. Watson.
Owner's exemption from moral standards is in play.
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Adam Schefter is an asshole, and he will always be one. This guy nailed him: https://nypost.com/2022/08/04/tony-buzbee-adam-schefters-deshaun-watson-tweet-why-victims-stay-silent/ (https://nypost.com/2022/08/04/tony-buzbee-adam-schefters-deshaun-watson-tweet-why-victims-stay-silent/)
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Have details come out on Watson's encounters?
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Have details come out on Watson's encounters?
www.google.com
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D. Watson has the book tossed his way by the NFL: https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/deshaun-watson-suspension-nfl-agreement-20220818.html (https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/deshaun-watson-suspension-nfl-agreement-20220818.html)
Daniel Snyder still owning his team and without consequence for his actions.
Owners have different rules than players. See: Kraft, Bob and Jones, Jerry.
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RIP to Hall of Fame Former Browns QB Lee Dawson.
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Week 1
Bills -2.5 LA Rams O/U 52 24-27
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Rest of the slate
(Home team always city name, road team is team name)
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Ravens -7 NYJ 44.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Saints -5.5 Atlanta 43
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Miami -3.5 Pats 46.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Carolina -2.5 Browns 41.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Cincy -6.5 Steelers 44.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM 49ers -7 Chicago 41
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Eagles -4 Detroit 48.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Colts -7 Houston 46.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Washington -2.5 Jags 44
Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM Chiefs -6 AZ 53.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM LAC -3.5 Raiders 52
Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM Packers -1.5 MN 47
Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM TN -5.5 NYG 43.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 8:20 PM Bucs -2.5 Dallas 51
Monday, Sept. 12, 8:15 PM Broncos -6.5 Seattle 44.5
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And it's Whisk vs Kid in Week 1 - as we defend precious Iron Man title.
Whisk riding Bengals offense vs Steelers. Not too sure of that one.
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Bills LA Rams
The Bills are one of the sexy Super Bowl picks. Type of thing that always gives me pause.
Ravens Jets
The great thing for Jets fans is when they realize they wasted a pick on Zack Wilson after wasting a pick on Darnold, they can watch their team go out and waste a pick on Will Levis.
Saints Atlanta
Miami Pats
Carolina Browns
Everyone seems to have written us off this year, but I think we can hold our own without Watson. Brisket just needs to avoid mistakes. And I think my autocorrect is hungry. Anyway I Iike that people are down on us. Sometimes it is the very teams who no one imagines anything of who do things no one can imagine.
Cincy Steelers
Trubiskey could not get it done with Chicago. I give Pitt about four games to realize why.
49ers Chicago
Eagles Detroit
Having lived with him on my fantasy team last year, I do not believe the hype around Hurts. Or the Eagles.
Colts Houston
Washington Jags
Chiefs AZ
I think Arizona is in for a hugely disappointing year.
LAC Raiders
My strongly negative take on Justin Herbert coming out of college is looking like it will be up there on the Most Wrong list with "when the history of the 1997 season is written the rookie everyone will remember is Jaret Wright" but below the all timer, "MSU should hire an established big name coach not just give a guy the job because he sat in the chair next to Heathcote. Who the fuck IS this Tom Izzo character?"
Packers MN
A bunch. The Pack has often spit the bit early.
TN NYG
Bucs Dallas
Broncos Seattle
Who picked this game for opening weekend, Russell Wilson's agent? Seattle has the worst QB room in football. I think they are giving up on contending this year. Not so much tanking as biting the bullet.
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And it's Whisk vs Kid in Week 1 - as we defend precious Iron Man title.
Whisk riding Bengals offense vs Steelers. Not too sure of that one.
Well, I am not.set on my WR yet, but my other QB choice is Stafford.against the Bills. So, Burrows.
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Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Ravens -7 NYJ 44.5 27-17
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Saints -5.5 Atlanta 43 27-20
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Miami -3.5 Pats 46.5 24-21
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Carolina -2.5 Browns 41.5 22-19
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Cincy -6.5 Steelers 44.5 20-17
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM 49ers -7 Chicago 41 24-21
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Eagles -4 Detroit 48.5 27-24
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Colts -7 Houston 46.5 33-20
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Washington -2.5 Jags 44 23-20
Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM Chiefs -6 AZ 53.5 34-24
Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM LAC -3.5 Raiders 52 30-27
Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM Packers -1.5 MN 47 24-20
Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM TN -5.5 NYG 43.5 24-17
Sunday, Sept. 11, 8:20 PM Bucs -2.5 Dallas 51 23-26
Monday, Sept. 12, 8:15 PM Broncos -6.5 Seattle 44.5 24-17
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4 fantasy teams this year. MAIN of course is the one that counts.
Will post plus and minus moves.
Thus far - benched Buffalo D since they were facing potent offense on road.
In MAIN (Ironman) thus far went from Bal Defense vs weak Jets to top rated from 22 Dallas to Tennessee to Miami. Also C E Hilaire over D Harris.
Computer hated Hollywood Brown, who will have a HUGE year.
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Tomorrow's money line parlay
Ravens
Saints
Chargers
25 wins 49.
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Sorry not a big fan of the todster after living with his time as HC of the Jets. Offenses are a stranger. If he just leaves Goat alone the Bucs may be Ok.
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Wasnt a Bowles fan either but maybe he wasnt the problem.
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We need to run the ball
more exclusively.
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Sucks for Mayfield. Coach takes ball out of his hands then defense deserts him.
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Cade York!
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Looking like Cinci may not have resolved that O Line issue that sunk them in the Super Bowl. Burrows may need a hole to hide in. You do not take that many hits year upon year without negative consequences to your QB. Relatedly, i do not buy Pitts as a legit contender, especially if Harris misses time, but that defense was win them some games.
And speaking of O Line issues, Baker is going to need to watch his blind side all year. Ekwonu was positively Ickey yesterday. Granted there are not many speed rushers as speedy as Garrett but lord he got around him like he was not there. For us, though, the sight of players running uncovered deep is a huge troubling sign. I do not know if it was communication or scheme but that almost cost us a game we dominated.
I wonder who Dallas will take with that No. 1 pick. Even before Prescott got hurt, they were awful on offense, the worst of all the games I flipped through yesterday. A long season before Sean Payton takes over.
Barkley looked like what he should be: the second best back in his draft class. Still don't think Jones is the answer, though. But a nice tough win for the Army Formicidae.
How long before we see Jimmy G? Lance was not sharp. Or ready.
Boy, Green Bay should have invested in some wide receivers. Rodgers famously does not suffer drops gladly, 9r bad routes, or mediocrity from his receivers, and there is nothing out there right now. But it is not the first time GB has bombed the opening. And the closing. The middle part they got down.
What a waste of a great day by Justin Jefferson. Barring a 70 point game by the Denver TE whose name I will not even attempt, kiid kicked my ass. Time to go see how serious the injuries to Mitchell's knee and Hopkins's head were.
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Geno looks for real.
Looks like 6-10 week for me. But the donks here can tell you if I cheated.
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The Browns' new midfield logo is elfcist. Discuss.
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Looking like Cinci may not have resolved that O Line issue that sunk them in the Super Bowl. Burrows may need a hole to hide in. You do not take that many hits year upon year without negative consequences to your QB. Relatedly, i do not buy Pitts as a legit contender, especially if Harris misses time, but that defense was win them some games.
They had Steelers at 9-1 to win the North after finishing a half game back with the weak armed Ben.
I chuckled - then laid out some cash.
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Looking like Cinci may not have resolved that O Line issue that sunk them in the Super Bowl. Burrows may need a hole to hide in. You do not take that many hits year upon year without negative consequences to your QB. Relatedly, i do not buy Pitts as a legit contender, especially if Harris misses time, but that defense was win them some games.
They had Steelers at 9-1 to win the North after finishing a half game back with the weak armed Ben.
I chuckled - then laid out some cash.
Icky didn't look all that good according to reports.
Evan Neal had a decent outing. Here's a video of him bouncing Ola Adeniyi around like a ragdoll. It looks like he just touched him. LOL
https://twitter.com/i/status/1569359739259322373 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1569359739259322373)
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Looking like Cinci may not have resolved that O Line issue that sunk them in the Super Bowl. Burrows may need a hole to hide in. You do not take that many hits year upon year without negative consequences to your QB. Relatedly, i do not buy Pitts as a legit contender, especially if Harris misses time, but that defense was win them some games.
They had Steelers at 9-1 to win the North after finishing a half game back with the weak armed Ben.
I chuckled - then laid out some cash.
Icky didn't look all that good according to reports.
Evan Neal had a decent outing. Here's a video of him bouncing Ola Adeniyi around like a ragdoll. It looks like he just touched him. LOL
https://twitter.com/i/status/1569359739259322373 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1569359739259322373)
As I noted, Garrett treated Ickey as his bitch.
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Thursday, September 15 8:15 PM Kansas City -3.5 Chargers 54
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Thursday, September 15 8:15 PM Kansas City -3.5 Chargers 54
34-27 KC
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Week 2 slate
Thursday, September 15 8:15 PM Kansas City -3.5 Chargers 54 (34-27) W, L, L
Sunday, September 18 1 PM Baltimore -3.5 Dolphins 43.5 22-20
Sunday, September 18 1 PM Cleveland -6 Jets 40 23-13
Sunday, September 18 1 PM Detroit -2.5 Commanders 49 27-24
Sunday, September 18 1 PM Colts -4 Jacksonville 47 24-27
Sunday, September 18 1 PM Buccaneers -3 New Orleans 44 24-17
Sunday, September 18 1 PM NYG -2.5 Panthers 43 24-21
Sunday, September 18 1 PM Patriots -1.5 Pittsburgh 40.5 17-20
Sunday, September 18 4:05 PM LA Rams -10.5 Falcons 47 24-17
Sunday, September 18 4:05 PM San Francisco -10 Seahawks 42.5 27-14
Sunday, September 18 4:25 PM Bengals -7.5 Dallas 43 24-13
Sunday, September 18 4:25 PM Denver -10 Houston 46 28-14
Sunday, September 18 4:25 PM Las Vegas -6 Cardinals 51.5 24-23
Sunday, September 18 8:20 PM Green Bay -10 Bears 42.5 30-17
Monday, September 19 7:15 PM Buffalo -10 Titans 49.5 34-17
Monday, September 19 8:30 PM Philadelphia -2.5 Vikings 51.5 27-30
5 team money line parlay
Green Bay, Denver, San Fran, LA Rams, Buffalo
Bet 35 to win 60
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By the way, what a fucking dick punch.
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Wonder if San Fran regrets not trading Jimmy G when there was a market for him.
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By the way, what a fucking dick punch.
Any explanation what they were doing there the last 2 minutes? Where was the pressure on final drive?
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By the way, what a fucking dick punch.
Any explanation what they were doing there the last 2 minutes? Where was the pressure on final drive?
Could not tell you. I turned it off after the on side kick, for health reasons. I am more interested in how anyone can run free behind the defense up 13 with less than 2 minutes left.
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5 team money line parlay
Green Bay, Denver, San Fran, LA Rams, Buffalo
Bet 35 to win 60
Nice to hit the $$ second straight week.
10-6 winners all told. Also 10-6 vs spread.
(17-14-1, 16-16 for year)
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Thursday
Amazon Prime only
Cleveland. -5. Steelers. 38.5
My pick is 19-17 Steelers (Pitt and under)
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Pretty much expecting a 9t yard td pass right now.
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Good game. Whisk. I thought both QBs did well (yes, I support Trubisky moving forward).
CLE top North Dawg for now. Elf on!
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I like the elf. Because it is ridiculous.
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Sunday/Monday lines
Ravens -3 New England. 43
Bills -5.5 Miami. 54
Bengals -4.5 Jets 45
Saints -3 Carolina. 40.5
Minnesota -6.5 Lions 53.5
Chiefs -7. Indy. 49.5
Raiders -2.5 Tennessee 45.5
Eagles -6.5 Washington. 47
Chicago -2.5 Texans. 40.5
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LAC -7 Jaguars. 47.5
Tampa -2 Packers 41
Seattle -2 Falcons 42
Rams -3.5 Arizona 49
Niners -1.5. Denver 45
NY Giants -2.5 Cowboys 39.5
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Ravens -3 New England. 43 Ravens under
Bills -5.5 Miami. 54 Miami over (Bills win game)
Bengals -4.5 Jets 45 Bengals under
Saints -3 Carolina. 40.5 Saints under
Minnesota -6.5 Lions 53.5 Vikings over
Chiefs -7. Indy. 49.5 Chiefs under
Raiders -2.5 Tennessee 45.5 Titans under (Ten wins game)
Eagles -6.5 Washington. 47 Eagles over
Chicago -2.5 Texans. 40.5 Bears under
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LAC -7 Jaguars. 47.5 Jags under (LA wins)
Tampa -2 Packers 41 Tampa under
Seattle -2 Falcons 42 Falcons over
Rams -3.5 Arizona 49 Rams over
Niners -1.5. Denver 45 San Fran under
NY Giants -2.5 Cowboys 39.5 Giants under
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Chiefs struggle coste me third straight parlay (30 to win 50, with Min and Cin). Tough
9-6 week. Giants can make it grand or mediocre. Let's go, Dimes!
(This Dabol may indeed be the real deal)
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Patriots talk a bit lacking this year - heh
Meanwhile we get an updated Zach vs Mac this week, as Wilson returns vs Steelers - while Jones struggles with his 2 turnover per game rate.
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Week 4 Thursday
Cincinnati -3.5 Dolphins. 47
Sunday. AM. London
Minnesota -3 Saints. 44
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24-20 Bengals
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Minnesota -3 Saints. 44
24-17 Vikes
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Sunday, October 2 1 PM Indy -3 Titans 42.5
Sunday, October 2 1 PM NYG -3.5 Bears 39
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Bills -3.5 Baltimore 51.5
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Chargers -5 Houston 44.5
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Detroit -4.5 Seahawks 50
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Pittsburgh -3.5 Jets 40.5
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Philly -6.5 Jags 48.5
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Dallas -3 Commanders 42.5
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Browns -1.5 Atlanta 50
Sunday, October 2 4:05 PM Carolina -1.5 Cardinals 44
Sunday, October 2 4:25 PM LV -2.5 Broncos 46
Sunday, October 2 4:25 PM GB -10.5 Pats 40.5
Sunday, October 2 8:20 PM Chiefs -2 TB 45
Monday, October 3 8:15 PM SF -2.5 Rams 42.5
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Sunday, October 2 1 PM Indy -3 Titans 42.5 21-17 Colts under
Sunday, October 2 1 PM NYG -3.5 Bears 39 21-17 Giants under
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Bills -3.5 Baltimore 51.5 27-24 Ravens under
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Chargers -5 Houston 44.5 27-20 Chargers over
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Detroit -4.5 Seahawks 50 27-24 Seahawks over
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Pittsburgh -3.5 Jets 40.5 23-17 Steelers under
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Philly -6.5 Jags 48.5 27-17 Eagles under
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Dallas -3 Commanders 42.5 24-17 Cowboys under
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Browns -1.5 Atlanta 50 23-26 Falcons under
Sunday, October 2 4:05 PM Carolina -1.5 Cardinals 44 24-21 Panthers over
Sunday, October 2 4:25 PM LV -2.5 Broncos 46 24-27 Broncos over
Sunday, October 2 4:25 PM GB -10.5 Pats 40.5 27-14 Packers over
Sunday, October 2 8:20 PM Chiefs -2 TB 45 21-23 Bucs under
Monday, October 3 8:15 PM SF -2.5 Rams 42.5 17-20 Rams under
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5 team parlay this week
Money line (to win game)
Eagles, Steelers, Colts, Cowboys, Packers
Wager 20, win 117
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I hollered DONT LOOK ETHEL!
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1577111860939083776?s=21
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Ridiculous finish to week 4 (OUCH)
Week 5
Thursday, October 6 8:15 PM Denver -3.5 Colts 43.5
Sunday, October 9 9:30 AM GB -8.5 Giants 41 (London)
Sunday, October 9 1 PM NO -5.5 Seahawks 45.5
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Jax -7.5 Texans 44.5
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Buffalo -14 Steelers 47
Sunday, October 9 1 PM TB -8.5 Falcons 48.5
Sunday, October 9 1 PM MN -7 Bears 44
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Titans -3 Washington 42.5
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Dolphins -3 NYJ 44
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Chargers -3 Cleveland 48
Sunday, October 9 1 PM NE -3 Lions 46.5
Sunday, October 9 4:05 PM 49ers -6.5 Carolina 39
Sunday, October 9 4:25 PM Eagles -5 AZ 48.5
Sunday, October 9 4:25 PM LAR -4.5 Cowboys 43.5
Sunday, October 9 8:20 PM Baltimore -3 Bengals 48
Monday, October 10 8:15 PM KC -7 Raiders 51
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Denver 23-20 (Colts cover, under)
Packers 27-17 (GB cover, over)
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34-30 vs spread after woeful first week.
28-20 last three (plus the other night)
Treadin'....
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Week 5
Thursday, October 6 8:15 PM Denver -3.5 Colts 43.5 Colts under (Den wins) W W L
Sunday, October 9 9:30 AM GB -8.5 Giants 41 (London) Packers over
Sunday, October 9 1 PM NO -5.5 Seahawks 45.5 Saints under
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Jax -7.5 Texans 44.5 Texans under (Jax wins)
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Buffalo -14 Steelers 47 Buffalo over
Sunday, October 9 1 PM TB -8.5 Falcons 48.5 Bucs under
Sunday, October 9 1 PM MN -7 Bears 44 Vikings under
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Titans -3 Washington 42.5 Titans over
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Dolphins -3 NYJ 44 Jets under (MIA wins)
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Chargers -3 Cleveland 48 Browns under (LA wins)
Sunday, October 9 1 PM NE -3 Lions 46.5 Patriots over
Sunday, October 9 4:05 PM 49ers -6.5 Carolina 39 Niners under
Sunday, October 9 4:25 PM Eagles -5 AZ 48.5 Cardinals over
Sunday, October 9 4:25 PM LAR -4.5 Cowboys 43.5 Cowboys under
Sunday, October 9 8:20 PM Baltimore -3 Bengals 48 Ravens over
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Monday, October 10 8:15 PM KC -7 Raiders 51 Chiefs under
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Week 6
Chicago -1. Commanders. 39
20-17 Beats.
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Sunday, October 16 1 PM Bucs -9 Pittsburgh 43.5
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Bengals -2 NO 43.5
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Indy -2 Jaguars 42
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Cleveland -3 Pats 42.5
Sunday, October 16 1 PM GB -7 Jets 46
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Ravens -5 NYG 45
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Vikings -3 Miami 45.5
Sunday, October 16 1 PM 49ers -5.5 Atlanta 43.5
Sunday, October 16 4:05 PM LAR -10.5 Panthers 41
Sunday, October 16 4:05 PM Cardinals -3 Seattle 51.5
Sunday, October 16 4:25 PM Bills -2.5 KC 54
Sunday, October 16 8:20 PM Philly -4.5 Cowboys 43.5
Monday, October 17 8:15 PM LAC -5 Broncos 45.5
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Sunday, October 16 1 PM Bucs -9 Pittsburgh 43.5 Steelers under (Bucs win)
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Bengals -2 NO 43.5 Saints over
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Indy -2 Jaguars 42 Indy under
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Cleveland -3 Pats 42.5 Cleveland under
Sunday, October 16 1 PM GB -7 Jets 46 Jets under (GB wins)
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Ravens -5 NYG 45 Giants over (Bal wins)
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Vikings -3 Miami 45.5 Miami under
Sunday, October 16 1 PM 49ers -5.5 Atlanta 43.5 SF under
Sunday, October 16 4:05 PM LAR -10.5 Panthers 41 LAR under
Sunday, October 16 4:05 PM Cardinals -3 Seattle 51.5 Seattle over
Sunday, October 16 4:25 PM Bills -2.5 KC 54 KC over
Sunday, October 16 8:20 PM Philly -4.5 Cowboys 43.5 Dallas under (Phi wins)
Monday, October 17 8:15 PM LAC -5 Broncos 45.5 LAC under
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Knew about Boles being ineffective with jets. Terrible hire for bucs.
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Sunday, October 16 1 PM Bucs -9 Pittsburgh 43.5 Steelers under (Bucs win)
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Bengals -2 NO 43.5 Saints over
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Indy -2 Jaguars 42 Indy under
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Cleveland -3 Pats 42.5 Cleveland under
Sunday, October 16 1 PM GB -7 Jets 46 Jets under (GB wins)
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Ravens -5 NYG 45 Giants over (Bal wins)
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Vikings -3 Miami 45.5 Miami under
Sunday, October 16 1 PM 49ers -5.5 Atlanta 43.5 SF under
Sunday, October 16 4:05 PM LAR -10.5 Panthers 41 LAR under
Sunday, October 16 4:05 PM Cardinals -3 Seattle 51.5 Seattle over
Sunday, October 16 4:25 PM Bills -2.5 KC 54 KC over
Sunday, October 16 8:20 PM Philly -4.5 Cowboys 43.5 Dallas under (Phi wins)
Monday, October 17 8:15 PM LAC -5 Broncos 45.5 LAC under
Isn't 2:30pm a bit late for posting predictions for 1pm games?
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Nice win for LAC
Missed 11-1 5 team parlay on KC loss - damn
6-8 week vs spread
50-42 season
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Thursday night week 7
Arizona -2.5 Saints 44
Pick is AZ 23-20
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Thursday night week 7
Arizona -2.5 Saints 44
Pick is AZ 23-20
My only pick regarding the Cards is the Kingsbury does not make it to the bye week.
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Pass D is solid.
Run offense - not
Murray is fun. Sucks my quick starter Hollywood Brown went down.
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week 7
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Dallas -7 Lions 49
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Jax -3 Giants 42.5
Sunday, October 23 1 PM TN -2.5 Colts 42.5
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Cincy -6.5 Falcons 47.5
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Baltimore -6.5 Browns 45.5
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Bucs -11 Carolina 40.5
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Packers -5 Washington 41.5
Sunday, October 23 4:05 PM Denver -1 Jets 38
Sunday, October 23 4:05 PM Las Vegas -7 Texans 45.5
Sunday, October 23 4:25 PM Chiefs -3 SF 48.5
Sunday, October 23 4:25 PM LAC -6 Seahawks 51
Sunday, October 23 8:20 PM Miami -7 Steelers 44.5
Monday, October 24 8:15 PM NE -8 Bears 40
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week 7
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Dallas -7 Lions 49 Dallas under
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Jax -3 Giants 42.5 Giants under (Giants win)
Sunday, October 23 1 PM TN -2.5 Colts 42.5 TN over
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Cincy -6.5 Falcons 47.5 Cincy over
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Baltimore -6.5 Browns 45.5 Browns over (BAL wins)
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Bucs -11 Carolina 40.5 Bucs under
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Packers -5 Washington 41.5 WAS under (GB wins)
Sunday, October 23 4:05 PM Denver -1 Jets 38 Jets under (Jets win)
Sunday, October 23 4:05 PM Las Vegas -7 Texans 45.5 LV under
Sunday, October 23 4:25 PM Chiefs -3 SF 48.5 SF under (SF wins game)
Sunday, October 23 4:25 PM LAC -6 Seahawks 51 LAC over
Sunday, October 23 8:20 PM Miami -7 Steelers 44.5 Steelers under (Pitt wins game)
Monday, October 24 8:15 PM NE -8 Bears 40 NE under
(Last week 6-8 Season 50-42)
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My God, even tug a little on a QBs jersey and it's roughing the passer.
Just make it one hand touch on them. Touch them and the play is over. Fucking shit has ruined the game.
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My God, even tug a little on a QBs jersey and it's roughing the passer.
Just make it one hand touch on them. Touch them and the play is over. Fucking shit has ruined the game.
( sob) (sob)
Boo hoo, hoo.
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God Sunday nighter
Valiant effort by my Steelers, who are the best 2-5 team in recent memory.
32 completions for the rook Pickett - to 8 receivers. Tomlin decided against going for it on 4th down at midfield at one point, though the field position game did work in our favor. Just didnt complete the task.
That was a key game for having any shot at the division. But stranger things have happened.
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Ravens -1.5. Tampa. 45
27-24 Brady
60-46 overall
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Sunday, October 30 9:30 AM Jax -3.5 Broncos 39.5 (London)
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Dallas -9.5 Bears 42.5
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Raiders -3 NO 49.5
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Atlanta -6 Panthers 42
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Phil -10 Steelers 43.5
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Miami -3 Lions 50.5
Sunday, October 30 1 PM MN -3.5 Cards 49
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Pats -1.5 NYJ 41
Sunday, October 30 4:05 PM Titans -1.5 Houston 41
Sunday, October 30 4:25 PM Seattle -3 Giants 45.5
Sunday, October 30 4:25 PM Indy -3 Commanders 40
Sunday, October 30 4:25 PM 49ers -1.5 LAR 43.5
Sunday, October 30 8:20 PM Buffalo -11 Packers 47.5
Monday, October 31 8:15 PM Bengals -3.5 Cleveland 47.5
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Sunday, October 30 9:30 AM Jax -3.5 Broncos 39.5 (London) 20- 17
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Dallas -9.5 Bears 42.5 24-13
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Raiders -3 NO 49.5 24-27
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Atlanta -6 Panthers 42 27-20
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Phil -10 Steelers 43.5 21-17
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Miami -3 Lions 50.5 34-30
Sunday, October 30 1 PM MN -3.5 Cards 49 27-21
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Pats -1.5 NYJ 41 17-20
Sunday, October 30 4:05 PM Titans -1.5 Houston 41 20-17
Sunday, October 30 4:25 PM Seattle -3 Giants 45.5 23-21
Sunday, October 30 4:25 PM Indy -3 Commanders 40 23-19
Sunday, October 30 4:25 PM 49ers -1.5 LAR 43.5 17-20
Sunday, October 30 8:20 PM Buffalo -11 Packers 47.5 34-24
Monday, October 31 8:15 PM Bengals -3.5 Cleveland 47.5 28-24
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Last week 7-8 (UGH - Falcons, Colts)
Season - 67-54 (+$750)
Thursday Week 9
Eagles -13 Houston 44
Pick is 28-17 Eagles
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week 9 continued
Sunday, November 6 1 PM NE -5.5 Colts 39.5
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Bills -13 NYJ 47
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Dolphins -5 Chicago 44
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Vikes -3.5 Washington 43.5
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Packers -3.5 Detroit 49.5
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Chargers -3 Atlanta 49
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Cincy -7.5 Panthers 42.5
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Raiders -1.5 Jax 48.5
Sunday, November 6 4:05 PM AZ -2 Seahawks 50.5
Sunday, November 6 4:25 PM TB -3 Rams 42.5
Sunday, November 6 8:20 PM KC -13 Titans 46.5
Monday, November 7 8:15 PM Ravens -3 NO 48
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Sunday, November 6 1 PM NE -5.5 Colts 39.5 NE under
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Bills -13 NYJ 47 Bills over
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Dolphins -5 Chicago 44 Dolphins under
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Vikes -3.5 Washington 43.5 Wshington under (Vikes win)
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Packers -3.5 Detroit 49.5 Detroit over (GB wins)
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Chargers -3 Atlanta 49 ATL under
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Cincy -7.5 Panthers 42.5 cincy under
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Raiders -1.5 Jax 48.5 Raiders over
Sunday, November 6 4:05 PM AZ -2 Seahawks 50.5 AZ over
Sunday, November 6 4:25 PM TB -3 Rams 42.5 Rams under (TB wins)
Sunday, November 6 8:20 PM KC -13 Titans 46.5 Titans over (KC wins)
Monday, November 7 8:15 PM Ravens -3 NO 48 Ravens over
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Why didn't the refs just put the ball in the end zone for the Chiefs on the Two point conversion
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Hard fought 6-4-2 after quite a few interesting finishes.
73-58 headed to tonight's tilt. +$920
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Bucs should pick up Frank Reich as head coach. A shame for TB to end his career under Bowles.
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73-58 headed to tonight's tilt. +$920
Cha-ching. $1020
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Who cares?
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Week 10 NFL
For a change last week I actually hit all 3 night games
THU nighter
ATL -3 at Carolina 44.5 points
Atlanta 24-20 (cover plus the under)
Cheers.
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My God, even tug a little on a QBs jersey and it's roughing the passer.
Just make it one hand touch on them. Touch them and the play is over. Fucking shit has ruined the game.
( sob) (sob)
Boo hoo, hoo.
Gee Skipster. Don't cry, it ain't that bad.
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Sunday, November 13 9:30 AM TB -2.5 Seahawks 44.5 TB 24 Seahawks 21
Sunday, November 13 1 PM KC -9.5 Jaguars 50.5
Sunday, November 13 1 PM NYG -6.5 Texans 39.5
Sunday, November 13 1 PM Saints -2.5 Pittsburgh 41
Sunday, November 13 1 PM Chicago -3 Lions 48.5
Sunday, November 13 1 PM Miami -4 Browns 48.5
Sunday, November 13 1 PM Buffalo -6 Vikings 46.5
Sunday, November 13 1 PM TN -3 Broncos 39
Sunday, November 13 4:05 PM LV -6.5 Colts 42.5
Sunday, November 13 4:25 PM LAR -3 Cards 43.5
Sunday, November 13 4:25 PM Cowboys -5.5 GB 43
Sunday, November 13 8:20 PM SF -7 Chargers 45.5
Monday, November 14 8:15 PM Philly -11 Commanders 44
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Hail to the Redskins!!
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Good God almighty. Cost me some sheckels. But love it for the Giants.
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Buffalo -5 at New England. 43.5
Bills 23-20
18-23 last three weeks...been rough. 92-81. Plus $290
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Yes! Mike White proves you still can find bargains in the refuse bin.
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Sunday, December 4 1 PM MN -3 Jets 45.5
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Baltimore -8 Broncos 38.5
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Atlanta -1 Steelers 43
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Philly -5.5 Titans 44.5
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Jags -1.5 Detroit 51.5
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Commanders -2.5 NYG 40.5
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Browns -7 Houston 47
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Packers -4 Chicago 43.5
Sunday, December 4 4:05 PM Seahawks -7.5 LAR 41.5
Sunday, December 4 4:05 PM SF -4 Dolphins 46.5
Sunday, December 4 4:25 PM Chargers -2 LV 50.5
Sunday, December 4 4:25 PM Chiefs -2.5 Cincy 52.5
Sunday, December 4 8:20 PM Dallas -11 Colts 43.5
Monday, December 5 8:15 PM TB -3.5 Saints 40
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Sunday, December 4 1 PM MN -3 Jets 45.5 MN over
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Baltimore -8 Broncos 38.5 BAL under
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Atlanta -1 Steelers 43 Pitt to win over
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Philly -5.5 Titans 44.5 Titans to win under
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Jags -1.5 Detroit 51.5 DET to win over
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Commanders -2.5 NYG 40.5 NYG to win under
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Browns -7 Houston 47 Browns under
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Packers -4 Chicago 43.5 Packers over
Sunday, December 4 4:05 PM Seahawks -7.5 LAR 41.5 Seahawks under
Sunday, December 4 4:05 PM SF -4 Dolphins 46.5 Niners under
Sunday, December 4 4:25 PM Chargers -2 LV 50.5 Chargers over
Sunday, December 4 4:25 PM Chiefs -2.5 Cincy 52.5 Chiefs under
Sunday, December 4 8:20 PM Dallas -11 Colts 43.5 Colts under
Monday, December 5 8:15 PM TB -3.5 Saints 40 TB under
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Baked.
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The GOAT does it again!!!!
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Baker Mayfield...WOW!!!!
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For a day Mr. Irrelevant played like the GOAT
And Brady played like a goat.
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Baker Mayfield...WOW!!!!
He.can do that. It is play by play excellence and consistency that has been his problem.
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The GOAT does it again!!!!
Who?
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Almost took an 0-9 yesterday - ha!
Yankguy is right - happens when you just "throw darts".
read: no - I am not a game analyst - dont spend any time on it.
Maybe next year......
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What saloon did they pull the officials out of for the Giants/ Redskins game
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Well, that puts a damper on the 50th anniversary of the Immaculate Reception story line.
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Whisk - good luck in FFB Finals. I am actually up against Burrow and Jefferson in one of my other leagues (made finals in 2 out of 4). Will come down to Monday...
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Justin Jefferson is a PPR God.
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That was frightening last night. I remember listening to the game when Chuck Hughes died.
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That was frightening last night. I remember listening to the game when Chuck Hughes died.
Me, too.
There was only about a minute left in the game so it did not cause much of a stir when the game went on.
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During the brief period I was an EMT, one thing I learned is that a hard enough blow can stop the human heart. The hits that footballers take involve scary amounts of momentum. It's a rare event because the blow has to land at exactly the right moment in the heart's rhythm cycle, but it does happen - it's called commotio cordis. Ironically, precordial thump, which is a purposeful blow to the chest, can also restart the heart (if there's no defib handy). I hope he recovers and hasn't sustained any damage to the heart muscle.
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During the brief period I was an EMT, one thing I learned is that a hard enough blow can stop the human heart. The hits that footballers take involve scary amounts of momentum. It's a rare event because the blow has to land at exactly the right moment in the heart's rhythm cycle, but it does happen - it's called commotio cordis. Ironically, precordial thump, which is a purposeful blow to the chest, can also restart the heart (if there's no defib handy). I hope he recovers and hasn't sustained any damage to the heart muscle.
Nice Google Search
Very popular today.
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That was frightening last night. I remember listening to the game when Chuck Hughes died.
Me, too.
There was only about a minute left in the game so it did not cause much of a stir when the game went on.
Nice Google search.
Very popular today. Asshole.
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That was frightening last night. I remember listening to the game when Chuck Hughes died.
Me, too.
There was only about a minute left in the game so it did not cause much of a stir when the game went on.
Nice Google search.
Very popular today. Asshole.
Sorry.
I actually listened to game.
Van Patrick and Bob Reynolds, WJR.
Then I wrote my script for my evening sportscast in Toledo.
The game was not televised.
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I actually listened to game.
Van Patrick and Bob Reynolds, WJR.
Then I wrote my script for my evening sportscast in Toledo.
The game was not televised.
There he is, on the scene:
https://youtu.be/_JTyxXP-_dA
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On a less distressing subject, who gets into the Hall of Fame this year?
At the risk of being a homer, Joe Thomas should have the shortest conversation. The est OT since Munoz. The only negative on him is that the Browns around him sucked so badly for all 11 years he played, and he never made the playoffs, let alone won the Super Bowl. I doubt that is held against him.
Darrelle Revis should also go in on the first ballot. Maybe the best shut down corner since Dion Sanders.
DeMarcus Ware. He was an elite edge guy. I think Freeney is a better choice but. I do not think two Edges get in and I suspect the guy who has been waiting gets the nod.
Torry Holt. I like Andre Johnson better, but unless you are Megatronish talent wise, the Hall makes you wait. I should point out that I prefer Steve Smith over both, but he is not on the final ballot.
So those four, and possibly Johnson and Freeney. And one other guy, either Willis or Hester.
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I actually listened to game.
Van Patrick and Bob Reynolds, WJR.
Then I wrote my script for my evening sportscast in Toledo.
The game was not televised.
There he is, on the scene:
https://youtu.be/_JTyxXP-_dA
Has he admitted to being that person? The problem with being intellectually dishonest and a PROVEN PATHOLOGICAL LIAR like RedDickJimmEspn is no one believes you when you tell the truth. That is how you end up in the belly of a wolf.
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Admitted? DK - I dimly recall he, or someone very similar, had a NYTF login called "JMengel" or something like that. Add to that his claims to sportscastery, and that two of his aliases are Dick Vitale and ESPN - no idea if those breadcrumbs lead anywhere. In other incarnations, he said he managed a cement factory, so I assume our legs are always being pulled. I found the video amusing and thought he might as well.
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Admitted? DK - I dimly recall he, or someone very similar, had a NYTF login called "JMengel" or something like that. Add to that his claims to sportscastery, and that two of his aliases are Dick Vitale and ESPN - no idea if those breadcrumbs lead anywhere. In other incarnations, he said he managed a cement factory, so I assume our legs are always being pulled. I found the video amusing and thought he might as well.
He always pretended that his political personna and his sports.personna were two different people. And also that earlier iterations, like "Dick Vitale" were not him.
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And just this afternoon in the Biden thread, he claimed his age is 47. This seems to conflict starkly with his claim to have been listening to the Lions game when Chuck Hughes died. Unless he has Dennis Quaid's radio and there was a solar storm that night.
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And just this afternoon in the Biden thread, he claimed his age is 47. This seems to conflict starkly with his claim to have been listening to the Lions game when Chuck Hughes died. Unless he has Dennis Quaid's radio and there was a solar storm that night.
LOL
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Tom brady stuck with a terrible coach, not so great.
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(quotation marks replaced by parens, due to Elba's glitch)
This line from an NPR report on Mr Hamlin's progress (boldfaced by me) got a cackle from me and the missus...
Doctors said Hamlin has been walking since Friday, and has also been eating regular food and undergoing therapy. They said he was on what medical professionals say is a (very normal)or even (accelerated trajectory) in his recovery from cardiac arrest - which is considered a life-threatening event.
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The officials did themselves proud today. What a shit show
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The officials did themselves proud today. What a shit show
The officials were correct on the re-running of the third down play.
Stevie Wonder could have thrown the flag on Ossai.
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The officials did themselves proud today. What a shit show
Cinci should spend less time bitching about officiating and more time scouting offensive linemen.
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The officials did themselves proud today. What a shit show
The officials were correct on the re-running of the third down play.
Stevie Wonder could have thrown the flag on Ossai.
That means so much coming like an "expert" like yourself😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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The officials did themselves proud today. What a shit show
The officials were correct on the re-running of the third down play.
Stevie Wonder could have thrown the flag on Ossai.
That means so much coming like an "expert" like yourself😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks.
My pleasure to set you straight.
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(quotation marks replaced by parens, due to Elba's glitch)
Doctors said Hamlin has been walking since Friday
Must be tired.....
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Chiefs
If anyone is wondering.
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7-5 playoff mark
Chiefs getting 1.5
26-23 final
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Joe Thomas, Hall of Famer.
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I thought this place would be bristling with impassioned diatribes and angry screeds on the seriousness of jersey grabbing.
Somehow I thought Liquid was keeping the site going for the Sports forums.
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7-5 playoff mark
Chiefs getting 1.5
26-23 final
Cash, baby.
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Bosox9er is the designated complainer about reffing here. And Red is the designated reffing apologist.
Neither has checked in yet.
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Well, Ohio State was not involved so
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Bosox9er is the designated complainer about reffing here. And Red is the designated reffing apologist.
Neither has checked in yet.
Nothing to talk about.
Bradberry admitted he was guilty of holding.
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Thanks for reporting in.
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Wait - is it Jones' agent that says he wants 45 mil? Wow.
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Wait - is it Jones' agent that says he wants 45 mil? Wow.
Cannot get the moon if you do not ask for the stars.
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March 2024...Vegas...my (Australian) NRL 'National Rugby League' season is to kick-off with a multi teams spectacular or something.
Rugby League...videos on YouTube.
Not to be confused with Rugby Union, different game.
Rugby League...13 players per team on the field at any time, 4 'bench' players, ...replacements.
No helmets, no shoulder pads, just mouthguards and muscle.
Basically same deal as NFL...pass the ball, get tackled, score touchdowns, kick goals, kick ahead.
But, ball must always be passed backwards.
Also, when player is tackled he must rise to his feet, put the ball on ground and then tap it back with foot to a player behind him...and play continues.
Team gets 6 tackles in possession then must hand the ball to other team.
Teams usually kick ahead on 5th tackle.
YouTube "Queensland's 30 Most Memorable Tries" is instructive.
'try/tries' = 'touchdown/touchdowns'...ball has to be forced onto the ground by hand or torso.
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The Real GOAT has died:
All-Time NFL Great Running Back Jim Brown Dead
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nfl-great-jim-brown-dead_n_6467cd0fe4b0005c605923f0
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/06/sport/football-nfl-violence-injuries-cec/index.html
Endorphin releases and dominating a foe!
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Aaron Rodgers had a productive career as a Jet.
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Given yesterday next week's Maimi/Bflo game should be epic.
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Jints are historically bad. Almost unwatchable. So much optimism after last year.
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Frank Ryan, the QB on Cleveland's last Championship team in 1064, has died. I would make a joke about my team's futility, but the man has off field accomplishments that merit major props.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/sports/football/frank-ryan-dead.html?smid=url-share
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Frank Ryan, the QB on Cleveland's last Championship team in 1064, has died. I would make a joke about my team's futility, but the man has off field accomplishments that merit major props.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/sports/football/frank-ryan-dead.html?smid=url-share
Frank Ryan was also the author of that noted page turner, A Characterization of the Set of Asymptotic Values of a Function Holomorphic in the Unit Disc". I could not put it down.
Of course thrilled to see my Browns in the playoffs, but. I am almost equally thrilled to see Matt Stafford finally bring playoff football to Detroit.
My first round picks: AFC: Buffalo over Pissburgh, Kansas City over Miami, Cleveland over Houston.
NFC: Dallas, Detroit, Tampa.
I don't think I have seen a team collapse as completely as Philadelphia has. Unless it is Jacksonville.
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The Real GOAT has died:
All-Time NFL Great Running Back Jim Brown Dead
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nfl-great-jim-brown-dead_n_6467cd0fe4b0005c605923f0
A sad day indeed. The most dominating player I've ever seen. A no nonsense man's man that probably wouldn't play well with today's preening bunch.
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As far as the game went, IMO the best team won.
Ref's made some sucky calls. But refs always make sucky calls. And, somehow, they always seem to be at critical times in the game. OOGA BOOGA! Stupid dog!
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As far as the game went, IMO the best team won.
Ref's made some sucky calls. But refs always make sucky calls. And, somehow, they always seem to be at critical times in the game. OOGA BOOGA! Stupid dog!
Uh... College Forum, maybe?
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Jordan Love has grown up.
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Rooting for Lions hate bowles with jets
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Who can root against Andy in the nightcap?
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Three men in KC watch the last regular season Chiefs game. Then they go in the backyard and perish. Bizarre mystery.
https://apnews.com/article/kansas-city-chiefs-fan-deaths-mystery-police-toxicology-335f4d726c3c1b5d139de6a5fa77ead5
The homeowner claims to have heard or noticed nothing, including three dead bodies in his backyard and on back porch for two days.
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Crazy Flowers cost Ravens the first game. Taunting penalty and fumble at the goal line. Experience and composure paid off. Lions off to a great start in the second game.
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Three men in KC watch the last regular season Chiefs game. Then they go in the backyard and perish. Bizarre mystery.
https://apnews.com/article/kansas-city-chiefs-fan-deaths-mystery-police-toxicology-335f4d726c3c1b5d139de6a5fa77ead5
The homeowner claims to have heard or noticed nothing, including three dead bodies in his backyard and on back porch for two days.
Not much of a mystery.
Four men and recreational drugs.
Homeowner went to bed and slept if off. The other three went outside and passed out. Froze to death.☠️